You can count me in as a true collector. I collected as a kid in the 60’s when cards had absolutely no value. I collected in the 80’s before there was grading. And I would still collect cards if they were worthless. It’s a passion for the game, the history and the joy of the search and discovery! Thanks John!
Gave a video like. If all my cards I own and all the cards I will own in the future are "valued" by others at a penny a piece next week or years from now... I would still collect. It's entertainment and if they have any future value, that is just a bonus. I have a passion for the history and appreciation for greatness in sports in general. Great Johnny U card!!
There’s a ton of true collectors in our community and most are under appreciated or even more under appreciated than Unitas , love watching them when there’s sheer excitement of pulling a .50 cent PC Card . I was just sorting through 5 five row boxes last night of cards ranging from dime cards to $2 ones and I love looking at them as much as my bigger cards . Fun times just looking from a collectors point
I’ve been collecting things my whole life. I believe I have the ‘collecting gene’. Coins, bottle caps, cards, etc I don’t have a problem selling something off if I’m not excited about it any more and I can use that money to fuel a new collection or sell a bunch if ‘meh’ stuff to get something really cool. I have a baseball card collection I am very happy with. My 1980s childhood cards in a shoebox, some pre-war, some 1950s and 60s. Every single card is something I really enjoy and I am very purposeful when I seek out a new card because I want it to be a small manageable collection. One of my favorite things is researching pre-war players when i get their card. Those guys led fascinating lives! Don’t get discouraged John, there are way more collectors than investors out there. Nice Johnny U! He is definitely a household name in my household! 🏈
I've cracked cards out of the holder to put them in top loaders or even a binder. I've collected back when cards didn't have value except to other kids because they needed it for a set or it was their favorite player. Collect because I love the game; I love the history.. I love the hobby.
Johnny Unitas, is a very beloved figure, in Maryland. Unitas could have been a Indianapolis Colts fan, but instead, showed his loyalty to the city of Baltimore. One of the goats. And great card!
Limited budget compels me to seek value. Love the thrill of the hunt. I collect for me. Told my family when I pass keep them or sell them. Love the hobby!
I could not have said it better. I have collected on and off for decades. (Currently on) I am a set builder and many of the cards I own were purchased in the 70s. I purchased lots of cards from most years before grading existed. My Mantles for the most part are in rough shape but I have them and that’s all that matters. Centering wasn’t an issue back then And cards with paper loss were very common. I love each and everyone of them. Grading has certainly Made card collecting into a business and perhaps the ugly side of this hobby. I see the disgust on your face when asking those tough questions. A wonderful video. Food for thought for many in the hobby today. Thanks again
Love the video I am a true collector and don’t spend much on cards. I buy the topps baseball factory set every year and then an older set from the 80s or 90s that I can get for 50 bucks or less. Do the same with donruss football set. I’ve been able to pick up some decent cards doing this like Mahomes and shohei rookies that I suppose could have some value. But I don’t ever plan on selling them. The nice cards will go to family when I leave this world. The cards that aren’t worth much will be donated to the catholic diocese in the town I live in for their annual rummage sale. So to answer your question, yes I would collect if the cards had no value.
Terrific subject and great thought provoking questions! I don't sell cards, so I do wish card price would plummet so I can buy more vintage baseball cards! I buy baseball cards because I enjoy the sport, its history and appreciate the players
Great video. I start before grading and it was affordable. At 68 I'm now trying to organize my small collection, move the volume of commons and keep cards of players who have a story.
I collected cards when the only way to buy them was in packs at the local grocery store and trading with local kids. There were no magazines, no shows, no shops. The first time I saw vintage cards older than 1967, I bought the shoebox full of cards from my buddy for $2.85 IIRC. He had Post Cereal, 1961 Babe Ruth hits 60, Koufax cards, Bell Brand & Morrell Meats from his cousin in California. I would continue if there was no value.
Been watching some of your videos and recognized the name as I have sent you several cards you purchased from me on ebay. Thanks for making the videos as a collector...it is a rarity on RUclips! I try do the same on my channel. Good luck with all your future collecting!!!
When i started collecting i had no idea anything was worth money. I think its cool that if i ever needed money in a pinch, i could sell stuff. But i like the look of the cards, and it's a little piece of history and art to me.
J- Like yourself, I have had 4 collecting eras in my life: as a kid 1967-1973, as a young adult 1988-1993, 2002-2006, and most recently 2014-present. I get emotionally attached to the cards and have sold little since 2014 and nothing in 5 years. Love your collecting philosophy and continue to learn from you. My favorite is the story of the card book your mom gave you and your desire to get every card in it. You are a true collector….
I believe I’m a collector. Many Nolan’s are not worth much but I enjoy collecting the cards and learning about them. I really don’t care about grading other than the idea of encasing the card for protection
💯% my cards have no value to anyone besides myself because they are never leaving my collection..so while I may have cards that are desired or wanted regularly in my Instagram dms and they all get the same response..thank you for the interest but I’m a true collector/hoarder/lover of cardboard ..truly for the ❤of cardboard!
I would definitely collect cards if they had no value - of course their value to me is perhaps a lot different than most other reasons. I became an investigative journalist though sports cards and got a second education that I never did though school because my disability. Perhaps more importantly, collecting vintage cards provided me the reason I needed to say away from alcohol or drug use after losing my parents in High School. I feel if I sold my collection, I'd probably go downhill. The hobby has been so good to me. I've learned so much through the hobby and met so many great people that now it's my turn to pay it forward for future generations. See you at the National!
To answer your question; I would collect more cards if prices plummeted. I keep hoping that prices (especially modern) would take a nose dive so that we can get rid of the clowns in the hobby.
Defiantly a collector, for me it is the history and nostalgia. I live to collect Unitas, he is on the Ruth,Cobb level when it comes to football for me!
I Have Always Collected Baseball Cards Just for the Love of the Game**** Also my Baseball Books, Autograph Balls and Everything associated with this Great Game. Especially my Vintage Stuff, I don't give a Hoot about the Modern Cards or Really the Modern Game of Baseball. I am a TRUE COLLECTOR*** Thanks, Great Video with Real Meaning**** P.S. Thank God for College and High School Baseball****
Value is relative, I agree wholeheartedly, when I was young we, of my generation, would plop down our quarter and Walk out of Joe's corner groceries with our cards looking for my team (Cleveland my home team), and if didn't get a Rocky Colavito, Mike Garcia, AL Smith, or any Indian, I would be disheartened. We never gave a thought about the price, or future value, I definitely agree.
Back for a second watch. Yes, I'm a collector. I couldn't describe how much I enjoyed this video and what you've said the first time. I still don't know what to say other than this. Thank you Mr. President! You are absolutely correct, sir.
I definitely consider myself a true collector. Shoot, 80% of my collection doesn't have much of a value. Haha. I love the sport, the community, and the art of my cards. Love em. Anyone that says "you're lying if you say you're a true collector" doesn't understand the love of the hobby!! Period. End of discussion. GREAT question Johnny boy!!
Seeing that Unitas makes me think instantly of John Facenda's booming voice from NFL Films "his records and achievments are many, but they give no indication of the countless games he won by the sheer force of his personality"
That’s a great question for people in the hobby. Would you collect cards without perceived value? I often wonder this, especially when watching sports card videos or talking to fellow collectors. It’s hard to find genuine “true”collectors because many are drawn to cards solely for their value. Another question: are players relevant in the hobby, or will their relevance depend solely on value? If Babe Ruth were worthless, would anyone collect him? Some people only collect high-dollar or low pop “rare” items and dismiss those who collect cards with little or no value. Personally, I believe I’m a true collector, but that’s just my opinion. I can enjoy collecting without “valuable cards” or buy cards that aren’t considered “valuable.” I enjoy just looking at cards. Really any cards valuable or not. It brings me joy.
Good question. I think some players would still be collected like Babe Ruth but then I feel like some players are mainly collected for perceived value. Prospects for instance. They clearly aren’t collected for their sports relevance but rather what their sports relevance might be. Or because their cards sell for a lot of money.
I’m a collector. I started to collect cards in the 70’s when cards had no value and I would still continue today if they had no value. The only numbers on my cards are the stats on the back.
Cards are one big ass book for me loaded with stories and memories completely CURATED by me! Not sure what it's worth but it tells one helluva story! Enjoy! Great video President!
Been collecting since 1980. I am a minimalist as well, but love my cards (and other collectibles). I have cards in collection that if offered ten times it's value I would pass and maybe fight you for thinking I would part with it.
I’m absolutely a collector. The fact that one of my prized collectibles is the dirt I’ve gotten from the stadiums over the years. There is literally nothing more abundant on this planet besides water than dirt and I’m happy to have my little collection of it proudly displayed. It’s not even graded.😉
Pepino Man sent me dirt from the mound of Dodger stadium. It’s fro Kershaw’s no hotter. One of my prized possessions. It’s not graded either and there is no way I could prove what it is. But Pepino and I know.
@@MrJmangini that's awesome He told me he would send me some from the World Series. I had another buddy get some from Yankee stadium before game 4 for me. Still waiting on Pepinos but not stressing. Someday hopefully.😁
Most of my cards have virtually no value, which is fine with me. Some do. If the value of cards went down, from collector perspective, would be great because it would make it easier to add more cards to the collection on the same budget. I like the cards for what they are, and as a completionist, I enjoy putting together team sets. That said, one thing I do to build my collection is to buy lots of cards, keep the ones I need, and sell the rest. I've been selling cards to get extra hobby dollars to get cards I collect since I was a kid. I do find that fun too - but its a means to an end of getting more cards that fit into my collection. I think the financial aspect is sort of ingrained in the hobby and has been since I can remember, but it does seem even more out of control now, though I remember going to shows and looking in catalogues when I was a kid about getting lots of hundreds of players in common issues (Greg Jeffries, Mike Harkey, and other rookie cards!) So maybe its not so different. I did find seeing that scroll you did on youtube unfortunate though. Yikes!
I have always collected what I liked and not what was the best investment. I would think the investment component comes in as we lay out significant money for an item we want to add to the collection. For me, it is tough to separate as value has always been tied with scarcity and collectability. I will say that I rarely consider the appreciation of the item and instead collect what I like and do consider myself a true collector for that reason. Everyone has their place, I suppose, but true collectors are the foundation of the hobby.
I’m sure we all hope our cards at least hold value but honestly when I spend money on cards I consider that money gone. First II probably won’t ever sell them. Second there are no guarantees these will hold value down the road. It’s a matter of wanting the cards more than I want that extra money.
My favorite card in my collection is my rookie Gary Barbaro rookie card. He was the reason I started collecting. I don’t collect expensive cards. In fact my most expensive cards are 2 rated rookie Patrick Mahomes cards I pulled from packs. I also enjoy set building and don’t get caught up in the autos,relics,and graded cards.
Nice video!!! It is not about the money for me. Most of my cards have very little value. I have a few Unitas cards because he was great. I have no plans to ever sell my PC cards.
Cool video, John. I don't collect graded cards. My passion is set building and showcasing the sets in binders is my preference. PSA, Beckett, SGC, and the like could all close tomorrow and i would not be phased.
If I hit the lottery, I'd do some much needed house repairs. Siding. Here's my take. I collect postmarks and that collection is worth zero. Looks like old mail to recycle. I stopped collecting when I got RTS, no cancel and postage increase. My family would be, "Son, You want your crazy uncle's baseball cards?
Love the question! I just spent 18 bucks at my local LCS. I am guessing The modern views of collecting would call everything I just bought worthless lol. They are not worthless to me!
I ask that question of myself a lot... Definitely keeping my job, unless it was 50mil plus. Then I would go to 10-20 hr per week consulting for free. As for the collector question... I am not a collector of things I like, I also collect cards that other people like LOL! No grading... yup. If cards had no value.... oh boy, that would be a bad situation, I don't have enough room!
I collected cards before grading was an option. The modern hobbyist is partaking in a different hobby than what I grew up with. This dichotomy is somewhat normal in my estimation. Although, as an older collector, I grew up trading and talking "baseball cards" with my friends and neighbors down the street as there were fewer sets and we could all afford to participate. Outrageous prices coupled with unrelenting print runs/product make the modern landscape a dangerous proposition, to say the least. Buying singles is the only recommendation I can sadly make. Great, thought provoking video, John.
There’s no job on earth I’d do if I had $5M..but yes, I’d still collect cards. I love cards. I just put a worthless Ken Griffey Hostess card in a mag cause I love the card. If my entire life was all about money, I’d be a miserable sap
Thank God athletes and actors wouldn’t quit there jobs if they had 5 million dollars or we’d have nothing to watch and no record would ever get broken haha
Thanks for sharing your thoughts, John. Would collect if there was no value and definitely no numbers assigned to each item. It’s all about what you like and love.
I like that cards have value, and I like nice condition cards, but I would be thrilled if the 52 Topps Mantle was worth 1% of what it is now and it almost never went up in value. then I could collect all the cards I want to collect.
Great video and a lot to think about. This video reminded me of why I collect too. I have only purchased one card over the years as a speculator which was a 60's Willie Mays in a grade 8 even though I had already owned a grade 6 in that same year. This happened early when I started my card collecting journey. The grade 8 didn't look that much better and I should have just settled for the grade 6 which I now happen to love even better, plus great centering etc. Well, after this experience I told myself that I would never buy a card again (raw or graded) unless I really liked the card for a number of reasons ... beauty, a memory, etc. So today I happily collect what I love and I have never sold a card yet. Thanks again John ... great video.
Johnny Unitas has equal passing yards as Joe Montana & 3 championships. Done mostly in the 60s before inference, roughing and all outdoors. If a QB in the future throws for 150k yards Johnny will still be the guy for whom you have an argument as the best ever.
I posed a question to you before, wondering if almost everyone stopped collecting cards and prices dropped to nothing, and there was no one to talk to about cards, would you still care about collecting? There was a professor that took a whole semester just to analyze the first sentence in one of Plato's books. That's how I feel about this video. I love to pose the what if scenarios, like what if you had unlimited money, or what if you were the only person left alive because a disease killed all other humans but kept all other living things alive, what would you do? Then you come back to reality and go about doing what you were doing. The Warren Buffett question is a foolish one, because it assumes you have enough money to survive if you can do what you love without getting paid, and reality says it's just not possible for 99.8% of the population. Someone has to pick up the garbage and clean the toilet. As far as what are cards worth and does it really matter, I think it matters more than anything, based on the fact that if I could get cards at the lowest possible price, than that's more cards I can buy with the money I saved, unless of course you have unlimited money.
I’ve never made a single life decision on unlikely hypotheticals. If a virus killed everyone on earth I’d have more to worry about than collecting cards. I probably wouldn’t collect anymore if I went blind or died either.
You know my answer Mr, President. It is a shame though how many of those green rectangle President cards I have to collect to trade for my baseball cards though.
Yes, I'm a collector. I think it's a scale. I'm probably 70-80 percent collector or more. You may be 100% percent collector, and that's awesome. Any I have sold or will sell in the future goes toward funding my hobby. Some dealers are collectors, and some are only dealers. Even if they are only dealers, I get cards from them. I think everyone is vital to the health of the hobby. Except maybe flippers 😂😂 and some breakers! I have way too much 88 Donruss to be considered anything but a collector! And I still buy them!😂😂
Recency bias is the problem. "Nothing ever happened before a person was born." Johnny Unitas retired after the 1973 season, over 50 years ago. I say this often: Will Tom Brady be forgotten in 50 Years? Will LeBron James be forgotten in 50 years? Will their achievements be downgraded because they happened long ago? When I hear stuff like: "there will never be another (name the player)." I always counter: "Never is a long time."
Thanks for this video! This is exactly the sort of spirit I was referencing in my first video. You just said it a lot better 😂 I missed your previous video searching sports cards in RUclips so I’ll have to check it out. As for collecting, I guess I’m a true collector cuz all my cards are pretty worthless!
Collector here. 40 plus years, only T206. Dabbled in different stuff over the years. They lost me with refractors lol. All this modern stuff is snake oil to me. T206 forever.
I think my cards have basically no “investment” value, and I have approx 150.000 of them…. I wouldn’t want them to be worth anything more than they do… I guess I’m on the collector side of the hobby
I’m currently bidding on raw pre-war cards that I have no intention on grading if I win them. They will go in a mag case and on display. All hope is not lost.
For the past 35 years, once a card enters my collection, it never leaves. I am definitely a collector. I don’t care about card values. I invest in equities, bonds, and real estate, not cards.
Hey John, i am collector! Never sent one card in for grading. I probably will someday, but not now. By the way, there was a book out in 70s that showed photos of cool cards. One photo was a flat top unitas and i fell in love with those Unitas flat tops. Glad you enjoy johnny U also. Thanks for your vids.
That is a beautiful Unitas, John! I appreciate your thoughts on this question. I definitely enjoy collecting, and could care less about the grade of my packs (most of my packs are ungraded, actually). However, I do sometimes sell items (usually to buy other items for my collection).
Just here waiting for the superbowl...😀. Beautiful 1961 Fleer Johnny Unitas card. The player who the Pittsburgh Steelers "passed on"..😉. I am definitely in the wrong job...😁. Happy Collecting.
Yes, I consider myself a true collector. I have spent hours these last 2 days sorting, alphabetically, 1970 - 1973 football cards & writing small carrer bios off of wikipedia for players like Kermit Alexander & Henry Allison - guys I paid .25 for. Yeah, I devoted 3+ hours to this project that nobody will know about, but me, and maybe my kids. Nobody cares about Kermit Alexander cards, but guess what - his tackle tore up Gale Sayers knee in 1968. I consider myself a true collector.
I just cringe when I hear: I`ll settle for a 9 because I wont pay for a 10. If there ever was or going to be a Constitution or articles for Collectors to consider somehow. Your words would be a great foundation. John I don`t have a tent but do have a tarp and some tent pegs. Peace Jim.
You know it! On my next video I’m going to use a line I thought up after I recorded this. What do you think? Here it goes. There are more BJ faces on RUclips sports card videos now than on Porn Hub.
I don't know how collecting and $ can ever be separated. Would you ever trade a $1,000 graded card for a pack of 1988 donruss ? Myself, I bought a beautiful 1984 SGC 9 Donruss Mattingly a while back, because I knew I wanted to eventually trade my PSA 10 to get more cards for that value, while still holding on to a copy of a nice Mattingly Rookie. I think I'm a collector, but I'm always looking at the hobby to expand my hobby in terms of size (and value). Nobody is going to give you something for free, so you have to make it happen & $ has always been part of it.
Awesome, video! I am a card collector/hoarder since 1968. (Specialize in Football and SF Bay Area teams) I hardly ever sell a card and fancy myself as a Bay Area spots historian.. This is a hobby, not a job. If you are doing this to get rich, you are NOT a collector. Thanks again for the tought provoking topic, Mr. President! 🙂
Oh ok. I don’t think Dr. Beckett or anyone else ruined the hobby. I don’t have the I opinion that the hobby is ruined. I think there is a lot of bad actors in the hobby today attracted by the high dollars cards can currently bring. But the hobby sure is booming.
I often choose to comment as I listen along with videos. 1. I would not quit my job. Would I go and get a different job, yes. I also value my time, my peace and focus on what I enjoy. Very tough in this hobby with all the FAKE people like a Geoff Wilson. Sad what he could do with a large platform yet he chooses the roads he drives on. 2. The Warren statement I would ask, is it easy to say when you have the money you have. Like when some people retire, you may go get a job at a gold course for peace and an easy job or work at a park if you enjoy the outdoors etc. You enjoy people and the water/fishing you may work on a dock or even volunteer your time somewhere like a no kill pet shelter. I like this side of Mangini, the other stuff with him FLEXN as the kids say and popping that collar at the Regal Beagle is 4 the birds man! 3. Ask yourself if you were not in the position you were in, would you still spend this much time and money on the hobby? I have been better of late at looking at both sides of the coin, take a minute to digest and think before offering up an opinion.
Would I spend as much money on the hobby if I didn’t have it? Of course not. I remember those days. How excited I was to get a little so I could add a card or buy some pack. This is not an anti selling video at all. If people only worked for money and not because they love what they do, we would have no CEO’s, athletes, actors, singers or business owners. They all get wealthy with one contract. One song. One movie. I’m sure if you hit a big wad you’d probably still do cards in some capacity because I can tell you have a passion for it. Of course maybe some of us would like to focus on a hobby or volunteer work. But don’t you think that would be because that’s where our true passion lies? I can’t imagine if I would have been blessed to be a Major League Baseball player I would have retired after I got that 100 million dollar contract. I know Juan Soto didn’t retire.
Jabs Family video $50 collection just bought at around 11:40 of video, cards turn to 1980 hockey. He says how stupid "they" are because there is not a players name anywhere on the card. Typical breaker, knows all, but knows nothing about being a collector
I'd love for the market to tank. Then I could pick cards up more cards cheaper. Also I'd love to see collectors like yourself simply just stop showing and discussing graded cards, or at least for a short while. As you've said, collectors should admire the cards, not the numbers.
The hobby makes me sad right now. There is nothing wrong with grading, trading, or even flipping IMO if if is done transparently and ethically. The issue is when you have people and companies that use the hobby to rip off people. PSA has a vetted interest in grading cards higher to put in their vault so they have a higher commission selling them for you, but could just give you low grades if the send back to you. People slapping Kurt's juice over cards to increase a grade, which we don't want. Fanatics supporting gambling with breakers that steal cards and act like 10 year olds. Strike that, my 10 year old is more mature than anyone on Backyard Breaks. We went from cancel culture to now allowing anyone to make a racist/pedophile remark without consequence. The only thing that makes sense is I am now living in a simulation. :)
That’s what I always say! The hobby is now a big giant Ponzi scheme. Dealers buy cards from people, take them to a show. Flippers come by and video themselves buying them. Then they turn around and sell them making a little margin. Then the people they sell them to are flipping them. No one will ever make me believe it’s collectors buying all these high priced cards. I see cards sell on eBay all the time for best offer after sitting there for months then they appear on auctions or even back on eBay for twice the price. Now if collectors didn’t buy them for half the price for months, why would they suddenly pay twice the price? Half the hobby is an investment pyramid scheme. Sure some of the biggest iconic cards are truly investment pieces just like Picasso paintings are. But the truth is most cards go up in value very little percentages or not all. When I buy cards I treat it like they may have very little value in the future. Good for the people making money on them now.
@@MrJmangini Exactly. That is why I like sets like the 1951 Topps Red/Blue Backs. Investors don't like them, graded cards typically carry very little additional value even in higher grades, and people try to put these sets together. When I buy graded cards, I look at 2015 prices, because that is where the cards will most likely end up. Doesn't bother me, maybe I can then get a Ty Cobb, Ruth, or Gehrig.
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You can count me in as a true collector. I collected as a kid in the 60’s when cards had absolutely no value. I collected in the 80’s before there was grading. And I would still collect cards if they were worthless. It’s a passion for the game, the history and the joy of the search and discovery! Thanks John!
Gave a video like. If all my cards I own and all the cards I will own in the future are "valued" by others at a penny a piece next week or years from now... I would still collect. It's entertainment and if they have any future value, that is just a bonus. I have a passion for the history and appreciation for greatness in sports in general. Great Johnny U card!!
There’s a ton of true collectors in our community and most are under appreciated or even more under appreciated than Unitas , love watching them when there’s sheer excitement of pulling a .50 cent PC Card . I was just sorting through 5 five row boxes last night of cards ranging from dime cards to $2 ones and I love looking at them as much as my bigger cards . Fun times just looking from a collectors point
One of the cards in my display, just as an example, is the regular old raw 1987 Topps Bo Jackson. It’s one of my favorite all time cards.
So true! I too am a collector and always will be!
I’ve been collecting things my whole life. I believe I have the ‘collecting gene’. Coins, bottle caps, cards, etc
I don’t have a problem selling something off if I’m not excited about it any more and I can use that money to fuel a new collection or sell a bunch if ‘meh’ stuff to get something really cool.
I have a baseball card collection I am very happy with. My 1980s childhood cards in a shoebox, some pre-war, some 1950s and 60s. Every single card is something I really enjoy and I am very purposeful when I seek out a new card because I want it to be a small manageable collection. One of my favorite things is researching pre-war players when i get their card. Those guys led fascinating lives!
Don’t get discouraged John, there are way more collectors than investors out there.
Nice Johnny U!
He is definitely a household name in my household! 🏈
Oh I’m not discouraged at all. Just like to talk hobby and get people’s opinions.
I've cracked cards out of the holder to put them in top loaders or even a binder.
I've collected back when cards didn't have value except to other kids because they needed it for a set or it was their favorite player.
Collect because I love the game; I love the history.. I love the hobby.
Johnny Unitas, is a very beloved figure, in Maryland. Unitas could have been a Indianapolis Colts fan, but instead, showed his loyalty to the city of Baltimore. One of the goats. And great card!
@@ACD1994 just another great Pittsburgh guy.
@@ACD1994 when he tried out for the Colts he had a lot of motivation. He only had money for a one way train trip 🤣
Limited budget compels me to seek value. Love the thrill of the hunt. I collect for me. Told my family when I pass keep them or sell them. Love the hobby!
I could not have said it better. I have collected on and off for decades. (Currently on) I am a set builder and many of the cards I own were purchased in the 70s. I purchased lots of cards from most years before grading existed. My Mantles for the most part are in rough shape but I have them and that’s all that matters. Centering wasn’t an issue back then
And cards with paper loss were very common. I love each and everyone of them. Grading has certainly
Made card collecting into a business and perhaps the ugly side of this hobby. I see the disgust on your face when asking those tough questions. A wonderful video. Food for thought for many in the hobby today. Thanks again
Grading has also given rise to collectors scrutinizing every little flaw with their cards are almost apologizing for having them haha
I collect the cards I love from my youth (70s & 80s) and have only a very small handful of modern cards
Love the video I am a true collector and don’t spend much on cards. I buy the topps baseball factory set every year and then an older set from the 80s or 90s that I can get for 50 bucks or less. Do the same with donruss football set. I’ve been able to pick up some decent cards doing this like Mahomes and shohei rookies that I suppose could have some value. But I don’t ever plan on selling them. The nice cards will go to family when I leave this world. The cards that aren’t worth much will be donated to the catholic diocese in the town I live in for their annual rummage sale. So to answer your question, yes I would collect if the cards had no value.
You are a true passionate collector. That's why your videos are so great to watch
Thanks
Videos like this are the reason many people consider John to be the “president” of the sports card hobby.
Terrific subject and great thought provoking questions! I don't sell cards, so I do wish card price would plummet so I can buy more vintage baseball cards! I buy baseball cards because I enjoy the sport, its history and appreciate the players
I love when prices fall. There’s a ton of vintage out there now selling for very little and I love it!
Great video. I start before grading and it was affordable. At 68 I'm now trying to organize my small collection, move the volume of commons and keep cards of players who have a story.
I collected cards when the only way to buy them was in packs at the local grocery store and trading with local kids. There were no magazines, no shows, no shops. The first time I saw vintage cards older than 1967, I bought the shoebox full of cards from my buddy for $2.85 IIRC. He had Post Cereal, 1961 Babe Ruth hits 60, Koufax cards, Bell Brand & Morrell Meats from his cousin in California. I would continue if there was no value.
Wish I would have access to some of those as a kid. I would have gobbled them up.
Been watching some of your videos and recognized the name as I have sent you several cards you purchased from me on ebay.
Thanks for making the videos as a collector...it is a rarity on RUclips!
I try do the same on my channel.
Good luck with all your future collecting!!!
I appreciate good dealers!
When i started collecting i had no idea anything was worth money. I think its cool that if i ever needed money in a pinch, i could sell stuff. But i like the look of the cards, and it's a little piece of history and art to me.
J- Like yourself, I have had 4 collecting eras in my life: as a kid 1967-1973, as a young adult 1988-1993, 2002-2006, and most recently 2014-present. I get emotionally attached to the cards and have sold little since 2014 and nothing in 5 years. Love your collecting philosophy and continue to learn from you. My favorite is the story of the card book your mom gave you and your desire to get every card in it. You are a true collector….
I believe I’m a collector. Many Nolan’s are not worth much but I enjoy collecting the cards and learning about them. I really don’t care about grading other than the idea of encasing the card for protection
💯% my cards have no value to anyone besides myself because they are never leaving my collection..so while I may have cards that are desired or wanted regularly in my Instagram dms and they all get the same response..thank you for the interest but I’m a true collector/hoarder/lover of cardboard ..truly for the ❤of cardboard!
I get those messages too.
You know what I like to do when I’m a collector???? I like to look at some baseball cards……..All cards go to zero, so, yes, I’m a true collector……..
I would definitely collect cards if they had no value - of course their value to me is perhaps a lot different than most other reasons. I became an investigative journalist though sports cards and got a second education that I never did though school because my disability. Perhaps more importantly, collecting vintage cards provided me the reason I needed to say away from alcohol or drug use after losing my parents in High School. I feel if I sold my collection, I'd probably go downhill. The hobby has been so good to me. I've learned so much through the hobby and met so many great people that now it's my turn to pay it forward for future generations. See you at the National!
Nice!
To answer your question; I would collect more cards if prices plummeted. I keep hoping that prices (especially modern) would take a nose dive so that we can get rid of the clowns in the hobby.
Defiantly a collector, for me it is the history and nostalgia. I live to collect Unitas, he is on the Ruth,Cobb level when it comes to football for me!
Yes!
I Have Always Collected Baseball Cards Just for the Love of the Game**** Also my Baseball Books, Autograph Balls and Everything associated with this Great Game. Especially my Vintage Stuff, I don't give a Hoot about the Modern Cards or Really the Modern Game of Baseball. I am a TRUE COLLECTOR*** Thanks, Great Video with Real Meaning**** P.S. Thank God for College and High School Baseball****
Thanks
You don’t like the oven mits and oversized bases?
Value is relative, I agree wholeheartedly, when I was young we, of my generation, would plop down our quarter and Walk out of Joe's corner groceries with our cards looking for my team (Cleveland my home team), and if didn't get a Rocky Colavito, Mike Garcia, AL Smith, or any Indian, I would be disheartened. We never gave a thought about the price, or future value, I definitely agree.
Back for a second watch. Yes, I'm a collector. I couldn't describe how much I enjoyed this video and what you've said the first time. I still don't know what to say other than this. Thank you Mr. President! You are absolutely correct, sir.
Thanks!
@MrJmangini You're welcome!
I definitely consider myself a true collector. Shoot, 80% of my collection doesn't have much of a value. Haha. I love the sport, the community, and the art of my cards. Love em. Anyone that says "you're lying if you say you're a true collector" doesn't understand the love of the hobby!! Period. End of discussion. GREAT question Johnny boy!!
That’s exactly right. They don’t understand because they themselves couldn’t love them without value so they think no one could either.
Seeing that Unitas makes me think instantly of John Facenda's booming voice from NFL Films "his records and achievments are many, but they give no indication of the countless games he won by the sheer force of his personality"
Yes!!!
Great video John. I would collect more cards if the values decreased.
Thanks. Me too!
That’s a great question for people in the hobby. Would you collect cards without perceived value? I often wonder this, especially when watching sports card videos or talking to fellow collectors. It’s hard to find genuine “true”collectors because many are drawn to cards solely for their value. Another question: are players relevant in the hobby, or will their relevance depend solely on value? If Babe Ruth were worthless, would anyone collect him? Some people only collect high-dollar or low pop “rare” items and dismiss those who collect cards with little or no value. Personally, I believe I’m a true collector, but that’s just my opinion. I can enjoy collecting without “valuable cards” or buy cards that aren’t considered “valuable.” I enjoy just looking at cards. Really any cards valuable or not. It brings me joy.
Good question. I think some players would still be collected like Babe Ruth but then I feel like some players are mainly collected for perceived value. Prospects for instance. They clearly aren’t collected for their sports relevance but rather what their sports relevance might be. Or because their cards sell for a lot of money.
I’m a collector. I started to collect cards in the 70’s when cards had no value and I would still continue today if they had no value. The only numbers on my cards are the stats on the back.
Ha good one!
Never graded nor sold a card, I’m a collector!
Cards are one big ass book for me loaded with stories and memories completely CURATED by me! Not sure what it's worth but it tells one helluva story! Enjoy! Great video President!
Nice! Thanks
Been collecting since 1980. I am a minimalist as well, but love my cards (and other collectibles). I have cards in collection that if offered ten times it's value I would pass and maybe fight you for thinking I would part with it.
Good stuff John. True collecting is the way to go! For the love of the game(s)! 🤛🏻
Im a new subscriber to your channel and really appreciate your fun and honest approach to our beloved hobby. Well said, Sir! Be well all.
Thanks
I’m absolutely a collector. The fact that one of my prized collectibles is the dirt I’ve gotten from the stadiums over the years. There is literally nothing more abundant on this planet besides water than dirt and I’m happy to have my little collection of it proudly displayed.
It’s not even graded.😉
Pepino Man sent me dirt from the mound of Dodger stadium. It’s fro Kershaw’s no hotter. One of my prized possessions. It’s not graded either and there is no way I could prove what it is. But Pepino and I know.
@@MrJmangini that's awesome
He told me he would send me some from the World Series. I had another buddy get some from Yankee stadium before game 4 for me.
Still waiting on Pepinos but not stressing. Someday hopefully.😁
I don’t worry about the value of my cards at all. I have so many worthless nhl cards and I just collected the players I liked.
Most of my cards have virtually no value, which is fine with me. Some do. If the value of cards went down, from collector perspective, would be great because it would make it easier to add more cards to the collection on the same budget. I like the cards for what they are, and as a completionist, I enjoy putting together team sets. That said, one thing I do to build my collection is to buy lots of cards, keep the ones I need, and sell the rest. I've been selling cards to get extra hobby dollars to get cards I collect since I was a kid. I do find that fun too - but its a means to an end of getting more cards that fit into my collection. I think the financial aspect is sort of ingrained in the hobby and has been since I can remember, but it does seem even more out of control now, though I remember going to shows and looking in catalogues when I was a kid about getting lots of hundreds of players in common issues (Greg Jeffries, Mike Harkey, and other rookie cards!) So maybe its not so different. I did find seeing that scroll you did on youtube unfortunate though. Yikes!
I used to buy lots too and do the same thing. I would sell my doubles to get other cards. Unfortunately now I still tend to keep them too. Haha
I have always collected what I liked and not what was the best investment. I would think the investment component comes in as we lay out significant money for an item we want to add to the collection. For me, it is tough to separate as value has always been tied with scarcity and collectability. I will say that I rarely consider the appreciation of the item and instead collect what I like and do consider myself a true collector for that reason. Everyone has their place, I suppose, but true collectors are the foundation of the hobby.
I’m sure we all hope our cards at least hold value but honestly when I spend money on cards I consider that money gone. First II probably won’t ever sell them. Second there are no guarantees these will hold value down the road. It’s a matter of wanting the cards more than I want that extra money.
My favorite card in my collection is my rookie Gary Barbaro rookie card. He was the reason I started collecting. I don’t collect expensive cards. In fact my most expensive cards are 2 rated rookie Patrick Mahomes cards I pulled from packs. I also enjoy set building and don’t get caught up in the autos,relics,and graded cards.
I'm a true collector, and I feel like a hoarder lately. I need to get organized.
I feel like a hoarder too but I tell myself it’s not hoarding if you have cool stuff!
Nice video!!! It is not about the money for me. Most of my cards have very little value. I have a few Unitas cards because he was great. I have no plans to ever sell my PC cards.
My name is Brian and I'm a true sports card collector 😊.
Great video, John. 100% agree, and that's a great story, and I love that Johnny U card 👍
Ha. Thanks!
Thank you for this video john. Most of cards are still worth pennies. I dont care, I love em.
Good one John, I whole heartedly agree with you.
Cool video, John. I don't collect graded cards. My passion is set building and showcasing the sets in binders is my preference. PSA, Beckett, SGC, and the like could all close tomorrow and i would not be phased.
If I hit the lottery, I'd do some much needed house repairs. Siding. Here's my take. I collect postmarks and that collection is worth zero. Looks like old mail to recycle. I stopped collecting when I got RTS, no cancel and postage increase. My family would be, "Son, You want your crazy uncle's baseball cards?
Haha
Love the question! I just spent 18 bucks at my local LCS. I am guessing The modern views of collecting would call everything I just bought worthless lol. They are not worthless to me!
I’m with you John.
I know YOU are Orlando! Collecting brothers!
I ask that question of myself a lot... Definitely keeping my job, unless it was 50mil plus. Then I would go to 10-20 hr per week consulting for free. As for the collector question... I am not a collector of things I like, I also collect cards that other people like LOL! No grading... yup. If cards had no value.... oh boy, that would be a bad situation, I don't have enough room!
Haha you’d need a second and third dining room!
Great episode! I been noticing lately a lot of content creators do the value talk . To me it is about the card , cards I could never get as a kid .
I collected cards before grading was an option. The modern hobbyist is partaking in a different hobby than what I grew up with. This dichotomy is somewhat normal in my estimation. Although, as an older collector, I grew up trading and talking "baseball cards" with my friends and neighbors down the street as there were fewer sets and we could all afford to participate. Outrageous prices coupled with unrelenting print runs/product make the modern landscape a dangerous proposition, to say the least. Buying singles is the only recommendation I can sadly make. Great, thought provoking video, John.
Thanks. I only hear people talking prices and pop reports. Not much talk of players or games except who the next QB’s you should invest in.
There’s no job on earth I’d do if I had $5M..but yes, I’d still collect cards. I love cards. I just put a worthless Ken Griffey Hostess card in a mag cause I love the card. If my entire life was all about money, I’d be a miserable sap
Haha. I put many cards in holders where the holder is worth more than the card haha
Thank God athletes and actors wouldn’t quit there jobs if they had 5 million dollars or we’d have nothing to watch and no record would ever get broken haha
Thanks for sharing your thoughts, John. Would collect if there was no value and definitely no numbers assigned to each item. It’s all about what you like and love.
I would 100% collect if cards had no value.
I love my job as a laser tech! Although I carry the weight at work. I pray the hobby drops off so i can go back to what I was doing pre 2020
Me too!
I mean about the hobby. I’m not a laser tech lol
I like that cards have value, and I like nice condition cards, but I would be thrilled if the 52 Topps Mantle was worth 1% of what it is now and it almost never went up in value. then I could collect all the cards I want to collect.
Ha. You’re not alone with that one! But I’m sure many would no longer want it.
When I was a kid growing up, my old man would tell me that Unitas was the best QB he ever saw play.
Mine too.
Great video and a lot to think about. This video reminded me of why I collect too. I have only purchased one card over the years as a speculator which was a 60's Willie Mays in a grade 8 even though I had already owned a grade 6 in that same year. This happened early when I started my card collecting journey. The grade 8 didn't look that much better and I should have just settled for the grade 6 which I now happen to love even better, plus great centering etc. Well, after this experience I told myself that I would never buy a card again (raw or graded) unless I really liked the card for a number of reasons ... beauty, a memory, etc. So today I happily collect what I love and I have never sold a card yet. Thanks again John ... great video.
Thanks.
Johnny Unitas has equal passing yards as Joe Montana & 3 championships. Done mostly in the 60s before inference, roughing and all outdoors. If a QB in the future throws for 150k yards Johnny will still be the guy for whom you have an argument as the best ever.
I posed a question to you before, wondering if almost everyone stopped collecting cards and prices dropped to nothing, and there was no one to talk to about cards, would you still care about collecting? There was a professor that took a whole semester just to analyze the first sentence in one of Plato's books. That's how I feel about this video.
I love to pose the what if scenarios, like what if you had unlimited money, or what if you were the only person left alive because a disease killed all other humans but kept all other living things alive, what would you do? Then you come back to reality and go about doing what you were doing.
The Warren Buffett question is a foolish one, because it assumes you have enough money to survive if you can do what you love without getting paid, and reality says it's just not possible for 99.8% of the population. Someone has to pick up the garbage and clean the toilet.
As far as what are cards worth and does it really matter, I think it matters more than anything, based on the fact that if I could get cards at the lowest possible price, than that's more cards I can buy with the money I saved, unless of course you have unlimited money.
I’ve never made a single life decision on unlikely hypotheticals. If a virus killed everyone on earth I’d have more to worry about than collecting cards. I probably wouldn’t collect anymore if I went blind or died either.
Actually I probably will collect cards after i die. I could see myself haunting whomever gets my cards. I’ll probably come back to look in on them.
I did collect cards when they had no numbers at the top. Wish it went back to those days. Hate grading not my cup of tea.
I wish so too. Simpler times. The hobby now is intentionally man made complexity.
You know my answer Mr, President. It is a shame though how many of those green rectangle President cards I have to collect to trade for my baseball cards though.
Haha
Yes, I'm a collector. I think it's a scale. I'm probably 70-80 percent collector or more. You may be 100% percent collector, and that's awesome. Any I have sold or will sell in the future goes toward funding my hobby. Some dealers are collectors, and some are only dealers. Even if they are only dealers, I get cards from them. I think everyone is vital to the health of the hobby. Except maybe flippers 😂😂 and some breakers! I have way too much 88 Donruss to be considered anything but a collector! And I still buy them!😂😂
Hahaha that 88 Donruss comment made me laugh. Me too!
Recency bias is the problem. "Nothing ever happened before a person was born."
Johnny Unitas retired after the 1973 season, over 50 years ago. I say this often: Will Tom Brady be forgotten in 50 Years? Will LeBron James be forgotten in 50 years? Will their achievements be downgraded because they happened long ago? When I hear stuff like: "there will never be another (name the player)." I always counter: "Never is a long time."
Thanks for this video! This is exactly the sort of spirit I was referencing in my first video. You just said it a lot better 😂 I missed your previous video searching sports cards in RUclips so I’ll have to check it out.
As for collecting, I guess I’m a true collector cuz all my cards are pretty worthless!
Haha thanks
Collector here. 40 plus years, only T206. Dabbled in different stuff over the years. They lost me with refractors lol. All this modern stuff is snake oil to me. T206 forever.
I think my cards have basically no “investment” value, and I have approx 150.000 of them…. I wouldn’t want them to be worth anything more than they do… I guess I’m on the collector side of the hobby
True collector as I regret all the cards I ever sold and wish I never sold them.
Me too!
Same! 😮💨
I’m currently bidding on raw pre-war cards that I have no intention on grading if I win them. They will go in a mag case and on display. All hope is not lost.
Nice to hear.
For the past 35 years, once a card enters my collection, it never leaves. I am definitely a collector. I don’t care about card values. I invest in equities, bonds, and real estate, not cards.
Hey John, i am collector! Never sent one card in for grading. I probably will someday, but not now.
By the way, there was a book out in 70s that showed photos of cool cards. One photo was a flat top unitas and i fell in love with those Unitas flat tops. Glad you enjoy johnny U also. Thanks for your vids.
I have that book!
That is a beautiful Unitas, John! I appreciate your thoughts on this question. I definitely enjoy collecting, and could care less about the grade of my packs (most of my packs are ungraded, actually). However, I do sometimes sell items (usually to buy other items for my collection).
Right
That unfortunately is a huge yes sir, lol.
Haha
@MrJmangini had to be honest.
Just here waiting for the superbowl...😀. Beautiful 1961 Fleer Johnny Unitas card. The player who the Pittsburgh Steelers "passed on"..😉. I am definitely in the wrong job...😁. Happy Collecting.
Haha. Yes The Steelers let Len Dawson go too and Passed up Dan Marino in the draft. Sad.
@@MrJmangini i didn't know about Len Dawson ! Of course Dan Marino is from Pittsburh U ! Any sports franchises do some mistakes.
Yes, I consider myself a true collector.
I have spent hours these last 2 days sorting, alphabetically, 1970 - 1973 football cards & writing small carrer bios off of wikipedia for players like Kermit Alexander & Henry Allison - guys I paid .25 for.
Yeah, I devoted 3+ hours to this project that nobody will know about, but me, and maybe my kids.
Nobody cares about Kermit Alexander cards, but guess what - his tackle tore up Gale Sayers knee in 1968.
I consider myself a true collector.
Oooo don’t remind me. Sayers is my guy!
I just cringe when I hear: I`ll settle for a 9 because I wont pay for a 10. If there ever was or going to be a Constitution or articles for Collectors to consider somehow. Your words would be a great foundation. John I don`t have a tent but do have a tarp and some tent pegs. Peace Jim.
Nice!
Mangini the philosopher
You know it! On my next video I’m going to use a line I thought up after I recorded this. What do you think? Here it goes.
There are more BJ faces on RUclips sports card videos now than on Porn Hub.
Hail to the chief! My wife would definitely attest to me being a true collector.
Haha mine too!
I don't know how collecting and $ can ever be separated. Would you ever trade a $1,000 graded card for a pack of 1988 donruss ? Myself, I bought a beautiful 1984 SGC 9 Donruss Mattingly a while back, because I knew I wanted to eventually trade my PSA 10 to get more cards for that value, while still holding on to a copy of a nice Mattingly Rookie. I think I'm a collector, but I'm always looking at the hobby to expand my hobby in terms of size (and value). Nobody is going to give you something for free, so you have to make it happen & $ has always been part of it.
Yes of course value is part of it. Unless dealers are willing to give me cards for free haha
Awesome, video! I am a card collector/hoarder since 1968. (Specialize in Football and SF Bay Area teams) I hardly ever sell a card and fancy myself as a Bay Area spots historian.. This is a hobby, not a job. If you are doing this to get rich, you are NOT a collector. Thanks again for the tought provoking topic, Mr. President! 🙂
Did Dr. Beckett ruin the hobby by publishing regular price guides and making us think about value all of a sudden?
@@the_card_closet haha who said someone ruined the hobby? Did I miss something?
@MrJmangini nobody said that. I'm throwing out the question for thoughtful discussion.
Oh ok. I don’t think Dr. Beckett or anyone else ruined the hobby. I don’t have the I opinion that the hobby is ruined. I think there is a lot of bad actors in the hobby today attracted by the high dollars cards can currently bring. But the hobby sure is booming.
yes i am!! lets go!
Let’s go!
Sounds like everybody is in the wrong job.
Why do you say that? I know many millionaires and billionaires who still work. Many.
I often choose to comment as I listen along with videos.
1. I would not quit my job. Would I go and get a different job, yes. I also value my time, my peace and focus on what I enjoy. Very tough in this hobby with all the FAKE people like a Geoff Wilson. Sad what he could do with a large platform yet he chooses the roads he drives on.
2. The Warren statement I would ask, is it easy to say when you have the money you have. Like when some people retire, you may go get a job at a gold course for peace and an easy job or work at a park if you enjoy the outdoors etc. You enjoy people and the water/fishing you may work on a dock or even volunteer your time somewhere like a no kill pet shelter.
I like this side of Mangini, the other stuff with him FLEXN as the kids say and popping that collar at the Regal Beagle is 4 the birds man!
3. Ask yourself if you were not in the position you were in, would you still spend this much time and money on the hobby?
I have been better of late at looking at both sides of the coin, take a minute to digest and think before offering up an opinion.
Would I spend as much money on the hobby if I didn’t have it? Of course not. I remember those days. How excited I was to get a little so I could add a card or buy some pack. This is not an anti selling video at all. If people only worked for money and not because they love what they do, we would have no CEO’s, athletes, actors, singers or business owners. They all get wealthy with one contract. One song. One movie. I’m sure if you hit a big wad you’d probably still do cards in some capacity because I can tell you have a passion for it. Of course maybe some of us would like to focus on a hobby or volunteer work. But don’t you think that would be because that’s where our true passion lies? I can’t imagine if I would have been blessed to be a Major League Baseball player I would have retired after I got that 100 million dollar contract. I know Juan Soto didn’t retire.
Jabs Family video $50 collection just bought at around 11:40 of video, cards turn to 1980 hockey. He says how stupid "they" are because there is not a players name anywhere on the card. Typical breaker, knows all, but knows nothing about being a collector
Classic hockey set.
I'd love for the market to tank. Then I could pick cards up more cards cheaper.
Also I'd love to see collectors like yourself simply just stop showing and discussing graded cards, or at least for a short while. As you've said, collectors should admire the cards, not the numbers.
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The hobby makes me sad right now. There is nothing wrong with grading, trading, or even flipping IMO if if is done transparently and ethically. The issue is when you have people and companies that use the hobby to rip off people. PSA has a vetted interest in grading cards higher to put in their vault so they have a higher commission selling them for you, but could just give you low grades if the send back to you. People slapping Kurt's juice over cards to increase a grade, which we don't want. Fanatics supporting gambling with breakers that steal cards and act like 10 year olds. Strike that, my 10 year old is more mature than anyone on Backyard Breaks. We went from cancel culture to now allowing anyone to make a racist/pedophile remark without consequence. The only thing that makes sense is I am now living in a simulation. :)
That’s what I always say! The hobby is now a big giant Ponzi scheme. Dealers buy cards from people, take them to a show. Flippers come by and video themselves buying them. Then they turn around and sell them making a little margin. Then the people they sell them to are flipping them. No one will ever make me believe it’s collectors buying all these high priced cards. I see cards sell on eBay all the time for best offer after sitting there for months then they appear on auctions or even back on eBay for twice the price. Now if collectors didn’t buy them for half the price for months, why would they suddenly pay twice the price? Half the hobby is an investment pyramid scheme. Sure some of the biggest iconic cards are truly investment pieces just like Picasso paintings are. But the truth is most cards go up in value very little percentages or not all. When I buy cards I treat it like they may have very little value in the future. Good for the people making money on them now.
@@MrJmangini Exactly. That is why I like sets like the 1951 Topps Red/Blue Backs. Investors don't like them, graded cards typically carry very little additional value even in higher grades, and people try to put these sets together. When I buy graded cards, I look at 2015 prices, because that is where the cards will most likely end up. Doesn't bother me, maybe I can then get a Ty Cobb, Ruth, or Gehrig.