This honestly isn’t that much of a change. Top schools like MIT and Carnegie Mellon have been offering huge financial aid to middle and low income students forever, these are just slight numbers changes. You’ll go for free to most elite institutions if your family isn’t making 6 figures.
@@utah_koidragon7117 University administrators skim 35% up to 50% off the top from all government "research grants." That's how they make their money. Many schools like Yale, Harvard and CalTech have more (well paid) administrators than students. Gotta follow the money. It's not useful to "imagine" or try to "be logical with words."
....no. Free tuition in this day age should be given to all since none of the colleges are able to create meaningful job experiences for portfolios and you have to go outside of it to get it. It defeats the point of getting a real education instead just being taught theories you personally haven't developed yourself.
@@infini.tesimo That's only true in certain degrees. In reality loans should only be given for degrees which have an actual ROI (mostly STEM) and not to everyone. Guaranteed student loans has caused the huge increase in costs (turns out if every student can pay whatever price you set through loans then prices shoot up).
@@EthanThrice every degree has creative way to create the experience you need to add a portfolio and it's not limited to STEM. The real problem again is since the people who are teaching are being taught theories you personally haven't developed yourself and because we get professors who don't do what they practice as in being one of the best, people just go learn from the best directly for a fraction of what you'd pay at college course and get much results for what that translates to for an ROI. It needs to be free because they are clowns lol.
The mere fact that these universities can offer free tuition to a significant proportion of their students is a true indication that the tuition they charge in general is WAY too high.
If colleges want to use the tuition they charge other students combined with what alumni donate to offset or outright pay for lower income students, as a libertarian I'm all for it. So long as it isn't coming from tax money, I'm happy to see them doing this.
The cost of tuition is a function of the maximum allowable student loan. When the Federal govt raised the limit, college tuition magically went up an equal amount. The solution is to lower the maximum amount to a reasonable level so students don’t ever find themselves owning $250k. Colleges will adjust tuition to meet the lower maximum.
10-15 years ago when I went back to school you couldn't even get a BASIC job that doesn't require college unless you had at LEAST a 4 year degree! So to say "not everyone" has to have a degree - try getting work without one. When I initially tried to go to college in 89-90 - my mom had left her husband who ruined us financially with a bad business deal. I qualified for aid - and then Bush Sr was voted in and any aid I was going to get disappeared. My father had a job but no interest in helping me at ALL with school. I had my own job but it wasn't enough to pay for much of college. Let's not also forget that whether you like the ACA or not you weren't getting any healthcare without a job and most jobs that provided health care were ones that required a degree.
Countries that have made the most spectacular growth rates since WW2 did so by stressing education first. The benefit to the country more than compensates for the cost. All education should be free.
This means the rich will pay for everyone. So here's the choice: Harvard for $100,000 a year or Oxford for $22,000 a year. Colleges in Europe are becoming increasingly more desirable for U.S. students. All that's going to happen is that the rich will take their money elsewhere. I live in Chicago . The minute they decided to tax the rich more they picked up and left. Illinois is losing so much money as people flee. Same for California. These ideas do not work. The smart solution is to reduce tuition by laying off the crazy number of administrators. A perfect example is Stanford which has 10,500 students and 8,500 faculty and admin. This is common across the academic system these days.
Sadly high school admissions counselors even at elite accelerated programs don't know this. Not once was Oxford or Cambridge ever suggested to me when I was making these decisions. I just assumed the cost to go across the pond evened out with any tuition scholarship. The poor just don't have the knowledge rich families do. We don't know to even ask if going to UK, Germany or Spain is a good financial deal.
I'm retired now, graduated high school in '78 with the top grades in my class (but the two top spots went to the children of doctors; my family was so poor, they had to spell it with three 'O's), worked and saved and finally was able to put myself through college in my forties. My outcome was better than if I hadn't gone on to higher education, but the knowledge that I earned a scholarship and was just cheated out of it for over twenty years because I didn't do a better job of choosing my parents (that's sarcasm)...it just sucks.
If these colleges can offer this free tuition now, why haven't they been doing this before? They have obviously had the resources, if they can suddenly do this now. Holding on to these massive profits has contributed to the ridiculous cost of college in America, which far outstrips inflation. I went to Flagler college in Saint Augustine Florida. It is a private four year college in the oldest city in the United States. It has a beautiful campus, in a great location and offers a fantastic education. My freshman year cost was $1200, for room, board and tuition. This cost was $1700, a year , by the time I was a senior. Taking into account inflation, that $1700 is worth $7400 dollars today. The tuition, room and board cost at Flager College today is $39,000. According to today's standards that's actually a very good deal for a top quality private college, but it is still more than five times over the inflation rate of the past almost 50 years. Young people definitely had some stiff and painful challenges in the 60's, 70's and 80's, which are often overlooked but I do think that the young people of today have some very unfair challenges that we didn't have when we were younger. The skyhigh cost of college is certainly one of them. I hope more colleges follow the lead of the ones mentioned here.
What unfair challenges? There is many more ways to make money now. The only true challenge they have is ai. Which is even a thing that can actually replace colleges,or people.
200K in San Francisco for family of four is just enough to survive. Just to rent a 3 bedroom apartment will be $6000 a month. It should depend on a state where you are living.
I graduated from a private college with only $8k in debt and thats from staying on a campus a few semesters but I commuted most of my time in college and they charged me no tuition. I hope the same good fortune for as many other students as possible
There needs to be a better graduated system for welfare and scholarships. Once someone makes it out of the poor class they lose all support and may have less quality of life. We need support up to middle class. It is far cheaper to keep someone from falling to the bottom than to bring someone from the bottom up. With scholarships it works sort of the same. One generation a student gets free tuition then they make just enough to no longer qualify when their children go to college. So the kids don't go and maybe end up back in the lower class & the cycle continues.
There’s more schools doing this than they reported on. Some schools in Texas are doing this as well. UT is free for those $75,000 and below, and half price for $150,000 and below.
I see education as a necessity of life. It is inconceivable for human beings to evolve through God if they lack the intellectual capacity to digest fruitful information. Ones intellectual prowess must be honed and cultivated through virtue. However, there is a much more pertinent issue we have to address. A person who is making 200K a year will pay the exact same amount for groceries as someone who earns $50K a year. This has resulted in a HUGE discrepancy in the quality of life for the majority of individuals. What we pay at the grocery store must be completely contingent on our yearly income. Excellent Video!
College tuition started climbing faster than inflation in the 80s. Lets see what happened around 1980, Oh yah the department of education was founded and basically exists to give student loans. The reality is student loans are responsible for easy money to colleges which have inflated tution which has mostly gone to bloated administration, not more teaching. The fix here is obvious, stop giving student loans. If you want to make college more accessible to poor kids reduce tuition at the public schools. If they in fact need that money let them get it from the state budgets. If you are going to be a student and have no way to afford school without loans, sign up for the military and get the GI Bill. First you will do better in school, as older students do better academically. Second you will leave school less or no debt and will have an actual set of skills on top of your degree.
I said who stop dollarization and she knows supposed to cause trouble and the fighting do you understand I want so many people to understand the orders do you hear me
Nialls' seems to want the working class to pay for the college tuition of those who will eventually out-earn them. Sorry but debt relief is not a solution given that many didn't go to college for fear of taking on too much debt so why should they be expected to pay for the debt others incurred? The banks of course would love to have the tax payer take on the debt that a student and their parents signed up for but the taxpayer didn't sign for that debt so they shouldn't be stuck with the bill. The solution would be lower tuition for public universities. which should be the purview of the states. If taxpayers of a state want that, they can vote for it unlike tuition debt relief which should was never their responsibility.
I don't like the fact that it is based on their families wealth/income rather than theirs. The kid could be wealthy and the family poor or the family could be wealthy but the kid poor. In college you are legally an adult at least most people. But I am glad they are trying to help even if the help is imperfect.
It's always been this way, and a reason why filing a FAFSA application often asks if the applicant(student) is being claimed as a dependent on someone else's tax return forms. You've done a FAFSA app before yes?
@@terrancecloverfield6791 Yes I have filled out FAFSA before but the above programs seemed to be administered by the schools themselves independently. A Lot of these schools are super wealthy from sales to international students to patents to donations from alumni. Usually it is kids of wealthier families that get into these school in the first place so they won't be paying for that many students but for those that do make it from poorer families any help is good help.
IMO only kids who excel in ACADEMICS should get free tuition. Poor kids who have promise should be considered too, not just middle-class ones or rich kids.
This actually pisses me off. That means they’re making enough money to have done this all along.
Yep.
It was done all along this is just marketing - source myself
@ as a former teacher, I’m never recommending college unless there’s a direct ROI or the kid is gifted in something.
This honestly isn’t that much of a change. Top schools like MIT and Carnegie Mellon have been offering huge financial aid to middle and low income students forever, these are just slight numbers changes. You’ll go for free to most elite institutions if your family isn’t making 6 figures.
@@utah_koidragon7117 University administrators skim 35% up to 50% off the top from all government "research grants." That's how they make their money. Many schools like Yale, Harvard and CalTech have more (well paid) administrators than students. Gotta follow the money. It's not useful to "imagine" or try to "be logical with words."
Getting 250k in debt is just delaying all our children from moving out, starting lives and starting a family.
free tuition should be given to KIDS who earned it, to put it simply.
Huh
....no. Free tuition in this day age should be given to all since none of the colleges are able to create meaningful job experiences for portfolios and you have to go outside of it to get it. It defeats the point of getting a real education instead just being taught theories you personally haven't developed yourself.
@@infini.tesimo That's only true in certain degrees. In reality loans should only be given for degrees which have an actual ROI (mostly STEM) and not to everyone. Guaranteed student loans has caused the huge increase in costs (turns out if every student can pay whatever price you set through loans then prices shoot up).
@@EthanThrice every degree has creative way to create the experience you need to add a portfolio and it's not limited to STEM. The real problem again is since the people who are teaching are being taught theories you personally haven't developed yourself and because we get professors who don't do what they practice as in being one of the best, people just go learn from the best directly for a fraction of what you'd pay at college course and get much results for what that translates to for an ROI. It needs to be free because they are clowns lol.
The mere fact that these universities can offer free tuition to a significant proportion of their students is a true indication that the tuition they charge in general is WAY too high.
Government involvement in college funding is what drives up tuition.
Econ 101: if the government subsidizes it, the price goes up. Education, housing, medical
Raising the education level allows for skilled workers and a creates a growth in the middle class.
@ skills like welding and HVAC ? Or gender studies and art history? Either way, subsidies still drive up cost.
@JTbluesification subsidies are needed to offset the wealth inequality; college are a for-profit way to add a paywall to becoming middle class.
If colleges want to use the tuition they charge other students combined with what alumni donate to offset or outright pay for lower income students, as a libertarian I'm all for it. So long as it isn't coming from tax money, I'm happy to see them doing this.
When it comes to the government, be poor or rich, don't get caught in the middle. ,
The cost of tuition is a function of the maximum allowable student loan. When the Federal govt raised the limit, college tuition magically went up an equal amount. The solution is to lower the maximum amount to a reasonable level so students don’t ever find themselves owning $250k. Colleges will adjust tuition to meet the lower maximum.
10-15 years ago when I went back to school you couldn't even get a BASIC job that doesn't require college unless you had at LEAST a 4 year degree! So to say "not everyone" has to have a degree - try getting work without one. When I initially tried to go to college in 89-90 - my mom had left her husband who ruined us financially with a bad business deal. I qualified for aid - and then Bush Sr was voted in and any aid I was going to get disappeared. My father had a job but no interest in helping me at ALL with school. I had my own job but it wasn't enough to pay for much of college. Let's not also forget that whether you like the ACA or not you weren't getting any healthcare without a job and most jobs that provided health care were ones that required a degree.
None of the things they are doing is lowering the cost. It is shifting who pays.
As long as I'm not paying for it through my taxes, it's not my problem.
Did they say they'd raise tuition on rich students to cover this?
@@moloney55they don’t even need to do that. College doesn’t cost what is charged plus it doesn’t day dorm costs won’t be charged
this means they've been overcharging many other students for a long time if they can afford to do this now.
The schools are paying themselves.
This was always allowed.
Yup yup … allowed, but not done. 👍🏼
Students don't have wealth, their parents do. How about we fix the college cost issue, not mask it.
Isnt offering zero tuition doing that?
No, just means I am paying for other people's kids.
If I just graduated from one of those schools with a big debt, I'd be a more than a little upset.
I wish they did that when I went to college many years ago...
Ill believe it when I see it. You practically have to be homeless to qualify for fasfa
This isn’t true lol
Not “admin” but “fund managers”- use endowments for students! And Naill- paid for private elementary school in UK yes?
Amber's always a good fill in for Robby
I like the ability to agree, and not feel obligated to defend extreme positions. Thanks for the civility.
Free college education would be a good thing. It would greatly benefit our country.
Countries that have made the most spectacular growth rates since WW2 did so by stressing education first. The benefit to the country more than compensates for the cost. All education should be free.
You realize how many people apply for those scholarships?! There’s only so many they give away
This means the rich will pay for everyone. So here's the choice: Harvard for $100,000 a year or Oxford for $22,000 a year. Colleges in Europe are becoming increasingly more desirable for U.S. students. All that's going to happen is that the rich will take their money elsewhere. I live in Chicago . The minute they decided to tax the rich more they picked up and left. Illinois is losing so much money as people flee. Same for California. These ideas do not work. The smart solution is to reduce tuition by laying off the crazy number of administrators. A perfect example is Stanford which has 10,500 students and 8,500 faculty and admin. This is common across the academic system these days.
Sadly high school admissions counselors even at elite accelerated programs don't know this. Not once was Oxford or Cambridge ever suggested to me when I was making these decisions. I just assumed the cost to go across the pond evened out with any tuition scholarship.
The poor just don't have the knowledge rich families do. We don't know to even ask if going to UK, Germany or Spain is a good financial deal.
What about replacing college with a mentor system sort of makes up for kids out of college needing some hand holding?
If someone tries very hard in HIGH SCHOOL, then they should get FREE TUITION. It's how it was in the 90s.
Fake news.
@@TC-zf1ji how is MY NEWS fake?
Where were you that college was free for high GPAs? I went in 2005, didn't start getting merit scholarships until my sophomore year.
Why wouldn't they just reduce the cost across the board? How ,any people would this even apply to?
I'm retired now, graduated high school in '78 with the top grades in my class (but the two top spots went to the children of doctors; my family was so poor, they had to spell it with three 'O's), worked and saved and finally was able to put myself through college in my forties. My outcome was better than if I hadn't gone on to higher education, but the knowledge that I earned a scholarship and was just cheated out of it for over twenty years because I didn't do a better job of choosing my parents (that's sarcasm)...it just sucks.
You miss spelled indoctrination camps
If these colleges can offer this free tuition now, why haven't they been doing this before? They have obviously had the resources, if they can suddenly do this now. Holding on to these massive profits has contributed to the ridiculous cost of college in America, which far outstrips inflation. I went to Flagler college in Saint Augustine Florida. It is a private four year college in the oldest city in the United States. It has a beautiful campus, in a great location and offers a fantastic education. My freshman year cost was $1200, for room, board and tuition. This cost was $1700, a year , by the time I was a senior. Taking into account inflation, that $1700 is worth $7400 dollars today. The tuition, room and board cost at Flager College today is $39,000. According to today's standards that's actually a very good deal for a top quality private college, but it is still more than five times over the inflation rate of the past almost 50 years. Young people definitely had some stiff and painful challenges in the 60's, 70's and 80's, which are often overlooked but I do think that the young people of today have some very unfair challenges that we didn't have when we were younger. The skyhigh cost of college is certainly one of them. I hope more colleges follow the lead of the ones mentioned here.
What unfair challenges? There is many more ways to make money now. The only true challenge they have is ai. Which is even a thing that can actually replace colleges,or people.
200K in San Francisco for family of four is just enough to survive. Just to rent a 3 bedroom apartment will be $6000 a month. It should depend on a state where you are living.
Soon these colleges can graduate to paying off student loans too! OK by me as long as we're not paying.
Tuition is only a small part of the cost of going to college.
Tell us something that hasn’t been done yet 🥴🙄
"Under meritocracy, it was called Scholarship. Now under DEI Communism, it is called Equity. "
FREE TUITION should be for students who do good in HIGH SCHOOL. It shouldn't be INCOME BASED.
You don't think there is a correlation?
I graduated from a private college with only $8k in debt and thats from staying on a campus a few semesters but I commuted most of my time in college and they charged me no tuition. I hope the same good fortune for as many other students as possible
A family of 4 or 5 paying $15K -$45K per year for college is not easy for a even for a couple making $200K.
Why does my income matter for my child's loan?
Because your child doesn't have credit. If your child does have credit, they can get loans from elsewhere.
They assume people with money will cough up tuition for their kids.
It only applies if you claim the child still as a dependent.
I don't think any group should get a free ride over another group. Either EVERYONE gets it, or no one gets it.
Yeah....but this is in the case of annual incomes. I wouldn't want free tuition to go to someone, whose family makes well above $200k annual.
I like these two
SIDESTEP Biden……..who?
Oh him.
Please keep this Brit on the show, I don't agree with him motly but he is respectable and nit pure condescending cringe like that Nomiki person.
Is there only way to achieve an education for all.
Good if it aint coming out of the taxpayers pockets then i dont care
Tax dollars do not need to be going to pay anyone's tuition. Pay your own tuition. Otherwise the world needs plenty of carpenters.
We need better options for trades for sure.
There needs to be a better graduated system for welfare and scholarships. Once someone makes it out of the poor class they lose all support and may have less quality of life. We need support up to middle class. It is far cheaper to keep someone from falling to the bottom than to bring someone from the bottom up. With scholarships it works sort of the same. One generation a student gets free tuition then they make just enough to no longer qualify when their children go to college. So the kids don't go and maybe end up back in the lower class & the cycle continues.
Read up on Elite Over-production.
I love how they take 5 elite schools and go, “see, kumbaya, everything is fixed”, when nothing actually is. 🙄
There’s more schools doing this than they reported on. Some schools in Texas are doing this as well. UT is free for those $75,000 and below, and half price for $150,000 and below.
@@marty0063we better see thousands, and quick, before I’ll clap. We better see them as fast as the upgrades in a lot school athletic departments
Professor will now get 200% raise. Good ole socialism 😊
I see education as a necessity of life. It is inconceivable for human beings to evolve through God if they lack the intellectual capacity to digest fruitful information. Ones intellectual prowess must be honed and cultivated through virtue. However, there is a much more pertinent issue we have to address. A person who is making 200K a year will pay the exact same amount for groceries as someone who earns $50K a year. This has resulted in a HUGE discrepancy in the quality of life for the majority of individuals. What we pay at the grocery store must be completely contingent on our yearly income. Excellent Video!
College tuition started climbing faster than inflation in the 80s. Lets see what happened around 1980, Oh yah the department of education was founded and basically exists to give student loans. The reality is student loans are responsible for easy money to colleges which have inflated tution which has mostly gone to bloated administration, not more teaching. The fix here is obvious, stop giving student loans. If you want to make college more accessible to poor kids reduce tuition at the public schools. If they in fact need that money let them get it from the state budgets. If you are going to be a student and have no way to afford school without loans, sign up for the military and get the GI Bill. First you will do better in school, as older students do better academically. Second you will leave school less or no debt and will have an actual set of skills on top of your degree.
Now I have to pay for overpriced worthless degrees? It is going to be awesome when I am homeless.
I said who stop dollarization and she knows supposed to cause trouble and the fighting do you understand I want so many people to understand the orders do you hear me
Nialls' seems to want the working class to pay for the college tuition of those who will eventually out-earn them. Sorry but debt relief is not a solution given that many didn't go to college for fear of taking on too much debt so why should they be expected to pay for the debt others incurred? The banks of course would love to have the tax payer take on the debt that a student and their parents signed up for but the taxpayer didn't sign for that debt so they shouldn't be stuck with the bill. The solution would be lower tuition for public universities. which should be the purview of the states. If taxpayers of a state want that, they can vote for it unlike tuition debt relief which should was never their responsibility.
Middle income only?.
I don't like the fact that it is based on their families wealth/income rather than theirs. The kid could be wealthy and the family poor or the family could be wealthy but the kid poor. In college you are legally an adult at least most people. But I am glad they are trying to help even if the help is imperfect.
It's always been this way, and a reason why filing a FAFSA application often asks if the applicant(student) is being claimed as a dependent on someone else's tax return forms. You've done a FAFSA app before yes?
@@terrancecloverfield6791 Yes I have filled out FAFSA before but the above programs seemed to be administered by the schools themselves independently.
A Lot of these schools are super wealthy from sales to international students to patents to donations from alumni.
Usually it is kids of wealthier families that get into these school in the first place so they won't be paying for that many students but for those that do make it from poorer families any help is good help.
"Free College to learn Marxism."
if someone, all they do is SLACK, then they aren't worth the investment IMO.
You realize that not all genius went to college and had some type of social issues
@@WeAreItt i'm fairly intelligent but didn't EXCEL in high school. ACADEMICS isn't everything. :) And life gets harder once you enter the workforce.
IMO only kids who excel in ACADEMICS should get free tuition. Poor kids who have promise should be considered too, not just middle-class ones or rich kids.