If only Tommen was even a decade older,he would have been a great king,he's compassionate and kindhearted,willing to lay down his life to ensure the safety of others,these are qualities she most likely wished he didn't have,but he has them,combined with some old fashioned Lannister fearlessness,no harm would have ever befallen his subjects,sadly due to his lack of age he didn't have the experience to know when he was being manipulated...
How does age determine intelligence and knowledge exactly? If that was ever the case, no adult would be manipulated in this show. Better yet, no adult would manipulate to begin with considering they should be all mature enough to avoid such behavior. Your argument is like super flawed...
@@captaindesperatehousewife7138 age doesn' determine intelligence most certainly but it determines experience what gives you that knowledge and intelligence,no less
@@furkanefezerenuz7445 In most cases, maybe. To gain experience is more of a social and personal factor than one that grows with age. So you could say age and experience have a non-linear graph.
He should’ve just saved Margaery and Loras and then send Cersei away like Margaery asked of him. Margaery would’ve been a great influence for Tommen I believe because she knows what to do in order to make a good ruler. She tried to get Renly to consummate his marriage with her so they can have an heir for a better claim than Stannis. She got Joffrey popular with the people of King’s Landing and was teaching him how to be more giving and loved by the people instead of feared. And she was trying to get Tommen to learn more about being a king and learn to get a tiny bit of backbone actually and stand up to Cersei(At least that was what she was going for in the books). Margaery knows how to be a ruler and would’ve been great at it. If Renly, Joffrey, or Tommen had learned more, they could’ve became great kings alongside her if they listened to her.
@@garlantyrell6368 I think that's what Margaery was trying to do with Tommen straight after she got married but she did become a little too aggressive after her brother was captured. And I wonder if she should have been so dominant with Cersei when she became Queen. Maybe being outwardly passive but secretly undermining her would have been better. But then again Cersei was always a paranoid freak so maybe it wouldn't have made a difference.
It’s a damn shame for Tommen honestly. He loved Margaery very deeply but the little queen never reciprocated those feelings because she only wanted to be the queen. But I do think Margaery grew to genuinely care for Tommen on some level because she always kept him safe, gave him win win solutions in her schemes and never got him killed to usurp the throne, even though he did stupid things sometimes. She also probably liked his kindness and innocence as well throughout their marriage and grew to like him that way. I think she truly liked him better than her other husbands. She was kind but also calculating with Tommen.
Her love for her children was never really in question, but that doesn't make her a good mother. She convinced Joffrey that he was some destined great ruler and let him be as cruel and vicious as he pleased all while telling herself he was great king until she was forced to realize that he was sadistic tyrant. What's more she spent so much time with Joffrey that she barely spent any on Tommen and Myrcella (though that may have been why they turned out alright instead of becoming entitled little shits). What's more she's a remarkably selfish mother, lashing out at anyone that would try steal their attention away.
She saw them as extensions of herself, at least in the books. There are traces of this narcissism in the show, but in the books, she never protested against Joffrey's actions (aside from killing Ned), and she viciously bullied Tommen.
No it doesn’t make her the best mother. But it makes her the best mother she could be which is all any mother can be. And it’s not that she was was lashing out at people trying to steal their attention away from her. The Tyrells were conspiring against her family all along and she caught on from the start. That’s what the whole conversation with Margaery about “if you ever call me sister again I’ll have you strangled in your sleep” was all about. She basically told her I see what you are doing and you don’t fool me one bit. And she wasn’t wrong.
@d bollman I don't think cruelty is a defining Lannister characteristic, perhaps it's present in Twyin, and especially strong in Cersei and in Joffrey (a biological Lannister of course) the rest of the Lannisters really are no more cruel than the other characters of the show but they still hold pride and fight for their family's position which gives them guilt by association with some of the cruel people at the core of the house
At this point the Lannister cruelty would have served him well though. Sparrow's bs against the crown should never have been accepted, and Cersei ends up doing much worse against him and the Faith that just sending in the army to liberate the queen.
Cersei was incredibly selfish and manipulated her sons all the while claiming to do things out of love. She was blind to Joffrey's faults and didn't encourage his occasional goodness. She was blind to Tommen's love and couldn't stand to see him follow his own heart. She failed to learn even after Joffrey's death. Olenna was right in calling her stupid and vile. Her ego and foolishness brought the two ancient houses to collapse.
I still don’t understand why Cersei was so mad at Margaery for being an influence over her sons. Sure she was manipulative, cunning, and ambitious but she never put Tommen or Joffrey in any danger whatsoever. Mostly because they were her keys to the throne but still. She taught Joffrey how to be more loved by the people instead of feared by getting him popular somewhat and she was telling Tommen to attend small council meetings and court sessions along with giving him backbone to stand up to his mother(That was more shown in the books). Maybe all manipulative but those were things Joffrey and Tommen should have been doing as kings correct? I don’t think Margaery cared for Joffrey much but she may have had some affection and empathy for Tommen though because of his sweet, kind personality.
@@garlantyrell6368 Totally agree with you. Margaery may have had her own motives but she did encourage both Joffrey and Tommen to be good kings and to build loyalty with people. Cersei was jealous of her power because she herself was not valued by her father and husband despite her desire to be seen as a strategist, not to mention the guilt/confusion of her secret relationship with Jaime. If she had been able to reign in her feelings, she would have made an excellent Queen Mother and seen Tommen thrive as a king (Joffrey would have died an untimely death anyway because he was a jerk and jerks make enemies)
cersie was a freaking idoits. and funny thing is even tywin and triyon known this thats why tywin sends tryion to kings landing to rule. in book she consistently think she was the smartest and clever then everybody she keep repeating in her mind that she was female version in tywin lannister.
@@garlantyrell6368Because she felt pushed aside. She wanted her sons for herself. As in to listen to and trust her. She was afraid of being taken over. She thought Margaery was taking over.
@@louwinters508”She wanted her sons for herself” You know, I wouldn’t be surprised if she romantically wanted her sons too and was jealous of Margaery that way, given how willing she was to sleep with her brother and cousin
There is so much in this scene. It is clear that she is a flawed and incredibly selfish person, but there is immense love in her towards her children. Of course she lies, when she says she will help Margery and Loras get free, because Tommen wouldn't understand the fact that the Tyrells are just manipulating him through Margery in order to get more power. But she definitely tells the truth when she says "I would do anything for you, anything to keep you from harm." She knows that the Tyrells are a threat to not only her, but her son, and even though she knows she is hurting her son she is willing to do it to torture the ones that came against herself and her family. There is always a selfish reason with Cersei. A selfish reason that, at the end of the day also, in her mind, benefits her kids.
She wasn't the best mother and Jaime wasn't the best "father". He never seemed to care for the kids and she loved them to the point of letting one become an asshole and robbing another of a semblance of a normal life. Neither makes for good parenting.
@@tsxtina2919 So are book Tyrion and show Tyrion, like it’s insane how different they are. (Like, I really wish we got book-version of Tyrion, or at least a Tyrion that is far more villainous than what we got in the show)
How does he feel has no options? He could have just marched an army to the sept like Jaime did eventually and found out how quickly knights in plate armor could decimate a bunch of fanatics in rags...
“He could have just marched an army to the sept” He literally comes up this very same idea, and then Cersei says at 1:18, “You know as well as I do who the first casualty of that war would be”. In other words, given how Margaery is basically held hostage, King Tommen can’t simply just barge his way in and kill everyone because they can easily kill his beloved wife, and if his wife dies, he’ll likely kill himself out of grief, like Romeo and Juliet.
Tommen: I AM THE KING! Tywin's ghost: Any man who must say I am the kin... Tommen: SHUT THE FUCK UP, DEAD GRANDPA! Cersei: Tommen, who the hell are you talking to?
Great scene. So much about Cersei comes out in this scene: 1. Very clearly her narcissism shows. She reacts with disgust when Tommen confesses his love for Margaery. She tries to frame his love as minuscule compared to her own. She can’t see that his outburst is purely emotional and defaults to strategy instead of comforting him like someone with empathy would know to do. 2. Her love is self-centred. She loves her children like a possession. He is ‘my son’ like a piece of property. She doesn’t see his love as anything more than a weakness, something she can pull out of him. 3. Her sense of love is warped. Her claim that she would burn cities to the ground for her children is quite crazy, yet it’s normal to her. That’s not love, and it’s not her sense of protection but her children are an extension of her self-love, just like her relationship with her brother. We can see this in how she adopts traits of all the family members she likes. She is strong and ruthless like her father, who she wants to be like, arrogant and self-centred like her brother (her twin brother, which reinforces the self-love aspect) and even becomes cruel like her son Joffrey (or unleashes her cruelty since it is implied she always had that mean streak in her) but she never develops any of Tyrion’s traits (his witty humour, his astute negotiation skills nor his sharpness) because she hates him and she also doesn’t adopt Tommen’s traits because she is literally unable to. Great scene overall, and I like how it shows just how different Cersei and Tommen are just by how they act and react.
Cersei killed Tommen. Not the imaginary and exaggerated threat she had in her mind, not not the Tyrells. Cersei alone caused the death of her youngest son. She armed and gave power to the sparrows because she thought they would never come after her. She knew the Lannister power is slowly coming to an end immediately after Tywin died and instead of using her head, she panicked and let her selfishness and greed got the best of her. If only she befriended the Tyrells and let Margaery play THE queen, her son wouldn’t have commited suicide and she would have another powerful ally against Danaerys. Just like Jon Snow chose what is best for his people even if it means giving up the crown. But no, Cersei couldn’t stomach the idea of another woman being the queen and the choices she made based on her selfishness caused the death of her son. When she said “Your happiness is all the matters.” to Tommen, it was another lie. Her selfishness and hunger for power is all that matter to Cersei. How anyone could say she is a good and protective mother is beyond me.
It was a butterfly effect of events, as with many scenarios in Game of Thrones. Margaery was trying to send Cersei away and turn Tommen away from her. That’s what triggered her and made her stupidly act on impulse (to get back at Margaery, by taking Loras away from her). To be honest after her fail with the High Sparrow, her fail at making peace with the Tyrells before Margaery had managed her own plan with the High Sparrow, on top of everyone manipulating Tommen into joining the Faith and removing her trial by combat. There wasn’t really any other choice than to blow up the sept. She could have gone, but that would most likely mean her death. Wouldn’t have ended much better for Tommen either, as her trial was to be about him/her children being bastards.
Im fckn late but what if she meant it as “freeing” them from life (if ao well rip) ? She wouldn’t technically be lying but she’d be deceiving her son for sure
Of course she is lying because Tommen would not understand that the Tyrells were just using him to get to power and they were a threat all along. And she was the only one to catch on to that
@@tsxtina2919 Cersei literally destabilized the Kingdom and without the Tyrells can't even feed the kingdom. Cersei needing to be in complete control is what caused this in the first place she set these fanatics in power she sewed more animosity between the Tyrells and Lannisters than their needed to be and it cost them all nearly everything.
@@Argos-xb8ek agreed. Cersei antagonized every great house at some point including the Starks, Martells, Tyrells, Baratheons, and even the last Targaryen.
People say tommen was weak. He was willing to go to war. Cersei stopped him and then undermined him. At every front his biggest enemy was his own mother.
@@About36Greekss Huh, now I really want to find a fanfic where Joffrey is a lot nicer, albeit still as selfish and mischievous and licentious like a frat bro, but with far less cruelty. (Like, a fanfic that explores what if he allowed Ned to survive or even go back home, but only after humiliating him in some kind of prank.)
It suprised me, perhaps the actor actually just how she sounds like an actual mother to her children when she at least tries to be near them. There is some soft tone to her, even if it is a little bit.
Sorry Tommen, what you probably didn’t know is that your mother was never as smart and clever as she thought she was. That, lost the Lannisters the kingdom.
@@user-yy2qw5un4q dudes responsible for the show. Apparently good book to TV translators, but when they needed to fill gaps Martin didn't write they've showcased the problem of bad fanfiction writing.
“I am the king and the queen is in prison and there’s ’nothing’ that I can do” This just proves how weak and lame Tommen was. He commands the most powerful armies (Royal, Lannister, and Tyrell) not only in Westeros, but in the whole world, yet he feels like his hands are tied up to try and beat some religious freaks who literally use BATS as weapons lol.
Sadly, it is not an official music, but I remember finding it in a compilation of the unreleased soundtracks, I think it was called "Tommen", but it is a music which plays in some of Cersei's emmotionnal scenes, like in season one, when she speaks with Robert about Lyanna, or in season two, when she discusses with Tyrion about Joffrey
0:17 "I am the KING"
Use your aggressive feelings, boy. Let the Joffrey flow through you
Sadly, any man who must proclaim 'I am the king' is no true king
Yeah but the next part of that sentence was him regretting that he can't save his wife. Joffery would never say something like that.
@@sev1011 This is such a stupid line. I hate this line.
@@jaohonaxa Joffrey would be pissed but in the way they had stolen his ‘property’.
@@SophieJackson1993 high sparrow wouldn’t of gained any power if Joffrey was still around
If only Tommen was even a decade older,he would have been a great king,he's compassionate and kindhearted,willing to lay down his life to ensure the safety of others,these are qualities she most likely wished he didn't have,but he has them,combined with some old fashioned Lannister fearlessness,no harm would have ever befallen his subjects,sadly due to his lack of age he didn't have the experience to know when he was being manipulated...
How does age determine intelligence and knowledge exactly? If that was ever the case, no adult would be manipulated in this show. Better yet, no adult would manipulate to begin with considering they should be all mature enough to avoid such behavior. Your argument is like super flawed...
@@captaindesperatehousewife7138 at least get in the pond if you’re going to act like a silly goose
@@blingwraith6951
Shush, speak once you stop inhaling that copium of yours.
@@captaindesperatehousewife7138 age doesn' determine intelligence most certainly but it determines experience what gives you that knowledge and intelligence,no less
@@furkanefezerenuz7445
In most cases, maybe. To gain experience is more of a social and personal factor than one that grows with age. So you could say age and experience have a non-linear graph.
Poor Tommen always looking for an advisor and being surrounded by the worst for his situation
He should’ve just saved Margaery and Loras and then send Cersei away like Margaery asked of him. Margaery would’ve been a great influence for Tommen I believe because she knows what to do in order to make a good ruler. She tried to get Renly to consummate his marriage with her so they can have an heir for a better claim than Stannis. She got Joffrey popular with the people of King’s Landing and was teaching him how to be more giving and loved by the people instead of feared. And she was trying to get Tommen to learn more about being a king and learn to get a tiny bit of backbone actually and stand up to Cersei(At least that was what she was going for in the books). Margaery knows how to be a ruler and would’ve been great at it. If Renly, Joffrey, or Tommen had learned more, they could’ve became great kings alongside her if they listened to her.
@@garlantyrell6368 I think that's what Margaery was trying to do with Tommen straight after she got married but she did become a little too aggressive after her brother was captured. And I wonder if she should have been so dominant with Cersei when she became Queen. Maybe being outwardly passive but secretly undermining her would have been better. But then again Cersei was always a paranoid freak so maybe it wouldn't have made a difference.
Kevan Lannister wasn't that bad
@@charlesottowilliamwade5328 yes but he wasn't there, he came back after Cersei got arrested.
@@abdul7945 I think Margaery underestimated Cersei's insanity.
Cersei's face when Tommen says that he loves Margeray!
The way her facial expression immediately changed lol 😂🤣💀
Lol
It’s a damn shame for Tommen honestly. He loved Margaery very deeply but the little queen never reciprocated those feelings because she only wanted to be the queen. But I do think Margaery grew to genuinely care for Tommen on some level because she always kept him safe, gave him win win solutions in her schemes and never got him killed to usurp the throne, even though he did stupid things sometimes. She also probably liked his kindness and innocence as well throughout their marriage and grew to like him that way. I think she truly liked him better than her other husbands. She was kind but also calculating with Tommen.
@Garlan Tyrell better a Margaery than a cersei, I'd say 😂
I actually think she had a.... bit of regret. She was causing him pain by locking her up.
Her love for her children was never really in question, but that doesn't make her a good mother. She convinced Joffrey that he was some destined great ruler and let him be as cruel and vicious as he pleased all while telling herself he was great king until she was forced to realize that he was sadistic tyrant. What's more she spent so much time with Joffrey that she barely spent any on Tommen and Myrcella (though that may have been why they turned out alright instead of becoming entitled little shits). What's more she's a remarkably selfish mother, lashing out at anyone that would try steal their attention away.
She saw them as extensions of herself, at least in the books. There are traces of this narcissism in the show, but in the books, she never protested against Joffrey's actions (aside from killing Ned), and she viciously bullied Tommen.
No it doesn’t make her the best mother. But it makes her the best mother she could be which is all any mother can be. And it’s not that she was was lashing out at people trying to steal their attention away from her. The Tyrells were conspiring against her family all along and she caught on from the start. That’s what the whole conversation with Margaery about “if you ever call me sister again I’ll have you strangled in your sleep” was all about. She basically told her I see what you are doing and you don’t fool me one bit. And she wasn’t wrong.
@@pyromania1018 but we are talking about SHOW Cersei NOT book Cersei. They are two very different characters.
@@pyromania1018 I think it's the main reason she is sleeping with her twin brother to feel like she's freaking herself actually
Love is never enough. Unhealthy relationships can be incredibly loving.
Tommen does have the Lannister roar, but thank goodness he doesn't have the Lannister cruelty!
@d bollman I don't think cruelty is a defining Lannister characteristic, perhaps it's present in Twyin, and especially strong in Cersei and in Joffrey (a biological Lannister of course) the rest of the Lannisters really are no more cruel than the other characters of the show but they still hold pride and fight for their family's position which gives them guilt by association with some of the cruel people at the core of the house
At this point the Lannister cruelty would have served him well though. Sparrow's bs against the crown should never have been accepted, and Cersei ends up doing much worse against him and the Faith that just sending in the army to liberate the queen.
Lannisters arent cruel…they are clever and ambitious
@@pablopfrmer7393 Rains of Castamere dude. They are cruel due to Tywin.
Him and Myrcella got their fathers kindness :)
Cersei was incredibly selfish and manipulated her sons all the while claiming to do things out of love. She was blind to Joffrey's faults and didn't encourage his occasional goodness. She was blind to Tommen's love and couldn't stand to see him follow his own heart. She failed to learn even after Joffrey's death. Olenna was right in calling her stupid and vile. Her ego and foolishness brought the two ancient houses to collapse.
I still don’t understand why Cersei was so mad at Margaery for being an influence over her sons. Sure she was manipulative, cunning, and ambitious but she never put Tommen or Joffrey in any danger whatsoever. Mostly because they were her keys to the throne but still. She taught Joffrey how to be more loved by the people instead of feared by getting him popular somewhat and she was telling Tommen to attend small council meetings and court sessions along with giving him backbone to stand up to his mother(That was more shown in the books). Maybe all manipulative but those were things Joffrey and Tommen should have been doing as kings correct? I don’t think Margaery cared for Joffrey much but she may have had some affection and empathy for Tommen though because of his sweet, kind personality.
@@garlantyrell6368 Totally agree with you. Margaery may have had her own motives but she did encourage both Joffrey and Tommen to be good kings and to build loyalty with people. Cersei was jealous of her power because she herself was not valued by her father and husband despite her desire to be seen as a strategist, not to mention the guilt/confusion of her secret relationship with Jaime. If she had been able to reign in her feelings, she would have made an excellent Queen Mother and seen Tommen thrive as a king (Joffrey would have died an untimely death anyway because he was a jerk and jerks make enemies)
cersie was a freaking idoits. and funny thing is even tywin and triyon known this thats why tywin sends tryion to kings landing to rule. in book she consistently think she was the smartest and clever then everybody she keep repeating in her mind that she was female version in tywin lannister.
@@garlantyrell6368Because she felt pushed aside. She wanted her sons for herself. As in to listen to and trust her. She was afraid of being taken over. She thought Margaery was taking over.
@@louwinters508”She wanted her sons for herself” You know, I wouldn’t be surprised if she romantically wanted her sons too and was jealous of Margaery that way, given how willing she was to sleep with her brother and cousin
If Cersei loved and *understood* her children she wouldn't have killed Margeray because she basically killed her son with it too.
0:18 Imagine if Tywin’s ghost popped in and said “any man who must say I am king is no true king.”
Tommen really reminded me of Joffrey in this scene. That was probably what Tommen's actor tried to go for.
Can we just appreciate Lena's performance
Amazing actress beautiful star 🌟
When you realize that was cersei's last fancy hairstyle 😭
Her love for children is a seed of illness itself. Love is no wrong, but it can give birth to wrong consequences.
This scene is so beautiful. I will never be tired of watching it.
There is so much in this scene. It is clear that she is a flawed and incredibly selfish person, but there is immense love in her towards her children. Of course she lies, when she says she will help Margery and Loras get free, because Tommen wouldn't understand the fact that the Tyrells are just manipulating him through Margery in order to get more power. But she definitely tells the truth when she says "I would do anything for you, anything to keep you from harm." She knows that the Tyrells are a threat to not only her, but her son, and even though she knows she is hurting her son she is willing to do it to torture the ones that came against herself and her family. There is always a selfish reason with Cersei. A selfish reason that, at the end of the day also, in her mind, benefits her kids.
love this analysis
For a moment, he was starting to sound just like his big brother
Yes, Cersei loved her children & she loved Jaimie ... BUT she loved herself more. That's the point.
She had to. No one else would.
She wasn't the best mother and Jaime wasn't the best "father". He never seemed to care for the kids and she loved them to the point of letting one become an asshole and robbing another of a semblance of a normal life. Neither makes for good parenting.
this is still heartbreaking after all these years (my only boy)
if only she had let tommen go to visit the high sparrow instead of her she wouldn't had been imprisoned
I love her and I loved Tommen’s character
It's wonderful to see how Cersei used to think she have whats take to help the Lannister but just like Tywin always say, most of them Lacks of Winsdom
She doesn't--at least not in the books. That said, her show self was showing signs of book!Cersei's callousness and sociopathy.
Book Cersei and show Cersei are two completely different characters
@@tsxtina2919 So are book Tyrion and show Tyrion, like it’s insane how different they are. (Like, I really wish we got book-version of Tyrion, or at least a Tyrion that is far more villainous than what we got in the show)
How does he feel has no options? He could have just marched an army to the sept like Jaime did eventually and found out how quickly knights in plate armor could decimate a bunch of fanatics in rags...
But they have the bloody Tyrells with them
“He could have just marched an army to the sept” He literally comes up this very same idea, and then Cersei says at 1:18, “You know as well as I do who the first casualty of that war would be”. In other words, given how Margaery is basically held hostage, King Tommen can’t simply just barge his way in and kill everyone because they can easily kill his beloved wife, and if his wife dies, he’ll likely kill himself out of grief, like Romeo and Juliet.
Tommen was literally the only lannister worth a damn
and kevan
Myrcella didn't do anything bad either
1:31 cersei doing the rock eye brow 😂
Tommen: I AM THE KING!
Tywin's ghost: Any man who must say I am the kin...
Tommen: SHUT THE FUCK UP, DEAD GRANDPA!
Cersei: Tommen, who the hell are you talking to?
XD
Great scene. So much about Cersei comes out in this scene: 1. Very clearly her narcissism shows. She reacts with disgust when Tommen confesses his love for Margaery. She tries to frame his love as minuscule compared to her own. She can’t see that his outburst is purely emotional and defaults to strategy instead of comforting him like someone with empathy would know to do.
2. Her love is self-centred. She loves her children like a possession. He is ‘my son’ like a piece of property. She doesn’t see his love as anything more than a weakness, something she can pull out of him.
3. Her sense of love is warped. Her claim that she would burn cities to the ground for her children is quite crazy, yet it’s normal to her. That’s not love, and it’s not her sense of protection but her children are an extension of her self-love, just like her relationship with her brother. We can see this in how she adopts traits of all the family members she likes. She is strong and ruthless like her father, who she wants to be like, arrogant and self-centred like her brother (her twin brother, which reinforces the self-love aspect) and even becomes cruel like her son Joffrey (or unleashes her cruelty since it is implied she always had that mean streak in her) but she never develops any of Tyrion’s traits (his witty humour, his astute negotiation skills nor his sharpness) because she hates him and she also doesn’t adopt Tommen’s traits because she is literally unable to.
Great scene overall, and I like how it shows just how different Cersei and Tommen are just by how they act and react.
any man who must say "i am the king"...
Jon snow said it a few times
Cersei killed Tommen. Not the imaginary and exaggerated threat she had in her mind, not not the Tyrells. Cersei alone caused the death of her youngest son. She armed and gave power to the sparrows because she thought they would never come after her. She knew the Lannister power is slowly coming to an end immediately after Tywin died and instead of using her head, she panicked and let her selfishness and greed got the best of her. If only she befriended the Tyrells and let Margaery play THE queen, her son wouldn’t have commited suicide and she would have another powerful ally against Danaerys. Just like Jon Snow chose what is best for his people even if it means giving up the crown. But no, Cersei couldn’t stomach the idea of another woman being the queen and the choices she made based on her selfishness caused the death of her son. When she said “Your happiness is all the matters.” to Tommen, it was another lie. Her selfishness and hunger for power is all that matter to Cersei. How anyone could say she is a good and protective mother is beyond me.
It was a butterfly effect of events, as with many scenarios in Game of Thrones. Margaery was trying to send Cersei away and turn Tommen away from her. That’s what triggered her and made her stupidly act on impulse (to get back at Margaery, by taking Loras away from her). To be honest after her fail with the High Sparrow, her fail at making peace with the Tyrells before Margaery had managed her own plan with the High Sparrow, on top of everyone manipulating Tommen into joining the Faith and removing her trial by combat. There wasn’t really any other choice than to blow up the sept. She could have gone, but that would most likely mean her death. Wouldn’t have ended much better for Tommen either, as her trial was to be about him/her children being bastards.
Did she really try to free Margaery? Isn't she lying by saying she will do everything she can to free them?
Im fckn late but what if she meant it as “freeing” them from life (if ao well rip) ? She wouldn’t technically be lying but she’d be deceiving her son for sure
Of course she is lying because Tommen would not understand that the Tyrells were just using him to get to power and they were a threat all along. And she was the only one to catch on to that
@@tsxtina2919 Cersei literally destabilized the Kingdom and without the Tyrells can't even feed the kingdom. Cersei needing to be in complete control is what caused this in the first place she set these fanatics in power she sewed more animosity between the Tyrells and Lannisters than their needed to be and it cost them all nearly everything.
@@Argos-xb8ek agreed. Cersei antagonized every great house at some point including the Starks, Martells, Tyrells, Baratheons, and even the last Targaryen.
People say tommen was weak. He was willing to go to war. Cersei stopped him and then undermined him. At every front his biggest enemy was his own mother.
Only if Tywin was still alive
Music ?
Damn Lena...
she's incredible!
if only tommen had a little joffrey in him.
If only Joffrey had a lot of Tommen in him
@@About36Greekss Huh, now I really want to find a fanfic where Joffrey is a lot nicer, albeit still as selfish and mischievous and licentious like a frat bro, but with far less cruelty. (Like, a fanfic that explores what if he allowed Ned to survive or even go back home, but only after humiliating him in some kind of prank.)
@@mechadoggy 😂😂
It suprised me, perhaps the actor actually just how she sounds like an actual mother to her children when she at least tries to be near them. There is some soft tone to her, even if it is a little bit.
Tommen has always been Mr. Softy. He is a great man, but he is far from a great king. A king who can easily manipulated by surroundings with no balls.
I mean no shit … he’s like 14 lol
@@About36Greekss Jeffrey was young, but he manage to rules.
@@About36GreekssIkr? His balls literally haven’t developed yet at that age. Let him at least go through puberty.
@@Serena_9 pardon you're calling the nonsense joffrey did ruling
The fact that cerci said shell actually try to help margerey since her son live her shows how she loves tommen
No, it doesn't as she was clearly lying.
Tomen is the best thing to come out of cersei
Sorry Tommen, what you probably didn’t know is that your mother was never as smart and clever as she thought she was. That, lost the Lannisters the kingdom.
2:35 exactly
2:40 hehheheheheheheheheheeeeee
She was a selfish monster for the world. But, she was helpless when caring for her children. She was strong, but her weakness was her children.
1:07 YESSS YESSS NOW YOU BEGIN TO UNDERSTAND
only real ones know this reference
Imagine that a mother who is selfishly and foolishly give his soft-hearted and naive son a problem. Trapped in a situation he cannot control.
Tommen is acting very close to Joffrey in this scene.
If tommen had done what he said. Maegar did it. Maegar won it. He didn't study history, as tywin had asked him.
Maegar had Balerion (and a much more capable mother than Tommen had).
If I were tommen I would send ravens to my allies and that's it. Because high sparrow declared war
Compare this writing to that of 6 to 8 and its drastically clear how bad D and D are
Sufian Abuahmad what is d and d - new to this whole Got thing
@@user-yy2qw5un4q dudes responsible for the show. Apparently good book to TV translators, but when they needed to fill gaps Martin didn't write they've showcased the problem of bad fanfiction writing.
Gustavo Wadas Lopes thansk that was really helpful ☺️
@@user-yy2qw5un4q Yeah. I started seeing just few days ago, and I was really confused about why people where hating on Dungeons and Dragons.
Gustavo Wadas Lopes literally what I thought
Cersei loves Tommen, but in a selfish sort of way. She manipulates him and decides what is best for him.
I swear I'm in love with Cersei, I know she's a bitch but GOD I can't help it.
She would make a good dominatrix.
I think Cersei was feeling pretty good up until Tommen said he loved Margery and she started to feel bad a little
“I am the king and the queen is in prison and there’s ’nothing’ that I can do”
This just proves how weak and lame Tommen was. He commands the most powerful armies (Royal, Lannister, and Tyrell) not only in Westeros, but in the whole world, yet he feels like his hands are tied up to try and beat some religious freaks who literally use BATS as weapons lol.
0:17 "A man who must say I AM THE KING is NO TRUE KING!"
That is irrelevant to this situation entirely
You know when Cersei is being disingenuous because her tone doesn’t change. Lena headley is so good
Music ?
Sadly, it is not an official music, but I remember finding it in a compilation of the unreleased soundtracks, I think it was called "Tommen", but it is a music which plays in some of Cersei's emmotionnal scenes, like in season one, when she speaks with Robert about Lyanna, or in season two, when she discusses with Tyrion about Joffrey