I love using push 3 standalone for my modular jams and I'm going to bring it to a small music fest and do a jam this weekend actually with it. I've had crashes when doing too much MIDI MPE stuff but I'm running the latest beta firmware and it's been more stable I think.
This is really cool. However, I've been playing around for ages trying to get my new Push 3 and TR-8S to play together nicely without latency drift. Just tried this exact same setup (USB between TR and Push and audio out from TR to Push) but latency is still unpredictable so have to adjust sync delay pretty much every time I hit play and sometimes it drifts. How are you not getting the same issue? I also occasionally get some sudden static noise and then the latency has jumped further out.
This was great, really appreciate the insight and it gave me a great idea to use my MC707 as a midi controller with the P3S. Would love to see how you handle multiple live instances of Wavetable in a full set. Instrument Rack with PC messages?
Can someone recommend a USB hub with at least 8 ports to connect my other midi controllers and at least 1 external drive (with sample libraries) to both my laptop and Push 3 when in standalone. Issues I've had in the pass is that some of the controllers are not powering up. Im not sure why and if its the quality or specks of the hubs I've used in the past. Any recomendations would be great
I'm about to open a ticket with Ableton, but anyone having issues with the CV Instrument? I'm using an ES-8 (Eurorack module) with a pair of ADAT cables, a Push 3 (Standalone), and an M1 Mac. The CV Instrument (latest version) is broken when switching from the Mac to Standalone mode. First, get the CV Instrument working and tuned via the Mac, then copy the project to Push, switch to Standalone, open the project. The CV Instrument loads but the sound produced is wrecked. Feels bad.
It looks like there were couple things happening, first when switching Push from controller to standalone, the ADAT "handshake" will sometimes glitch out, and the ES-8 has to be power cycled, next, when running the CV Instrument on the stand alone, the built-in Expression controls do not seem to support Min and Max percent values, so if you have a patch that depends on limiting how much expression is applied, you'll have to use something on the hardware, finally, at least for the CV Instrument, do NOT collect all and save files from factory packs, as there would appear to be a difference between the CV Instrument that installs on the Push 3 via Packs, and the CV Instrument that installs on the Mac via Packs (the Mac version when loaded in a standalone project does not preserve pitch calibration , or something is drastically off and the notes just squeal with very high pitch). Good luck, everyone.
Quick question if the tr8s is being used as a midi controller to control the volume faders of the ableton tracks how is it possible to control the volume sounds of the real tr8s drums if u wanted to use the tr8 drum sounds? Wouldn't one fader be controlling both ableton and tr8 sounds?
I can't get push 3 to connect to an ad hock network or a "create network" any ideas there? It's fine over home wifi but if i'm at a gig and there's no wifi...
can you plug a novation launchpad pro in session mode into Push 3s usb host port in standalone to use as a clip launcher while using the Push in note mode?
@@sonicstate could make a custom layout for things like that at least. But it would be great if @novation and @ableton could get that working! itd be like a second screen for your push!
I saw the Push 3 Standalone demo at Gearfest. I like the hardware, but less the price. I get the immediacy and the user interface. Still would struggle for me over an iOS device. I also notice that the TR-8S was more at the heart of the performance aspect (I have one of those). Don't get me wrong, I like the idea of the Push. However, just not sure I could justify the price of the hardware (upgradable or not). Nice video as always from SonicState.
Push 3 is still just an extension of Live as the standalone mode is more of a sketch machine to finish in the computer and load back for live performances
I'd be MUCH more interested in a walkthrough of how to use Push 3 for making music in standalone, not performing already made music. I'm a bedroom producer, not a live performing artist and I suspect I'm in the majority among viewers of this RUclips channel.
He said he can do everything. Can he do follow actions? Can he arrange on the standalone? Bro was wreck less with thr bs. Nothing against Nick though. I get it.
Obviously a Ableton sponsored video. Not one critical question, and also missing questions like 'what do you miss on the Push 3, and what would do you think Ableton must add.....'. I'm sorry, Nick. This was not OK!
It is not difficult at all to distinguish between the two voices, so panning the your voices left and right serves no actual purpose and it also makes listening on only one earphone very annoying. I do it all the time while cleaning/walking the dog etc.
Contrastively panning certain parts that you absolutely must have playing simultaneously in a busy mix, that are competing over the same frequency range is a MUST sometimes, this has been a thing in mixing forever. If things aren't sounding great to you while listening in mono, you are the problem.
@@stateazure I have been working as a professional audio engineer for over a decade. Panning when it comes to mixing for clarity has nothing to do with panning two speaking voices that don't cross over each other. When you are listening on one earphone, you are not (usually) listening in mono, you are essentially listening just the left or right channel. If the voices are panned, one voice is always louder and one quieter, which is obviously bad.
Almost as long as me, but there's no contest here and besides I've seen mixing and mastering engineers with decades of experience talking absolute bollocks. Now I don't know exactly what you're referring to precisely, if it was something in this video that I completely missed (I was distracted sometimes and didn't catch everything in the video), please point me to where this was mentioned? Regardless, my point was related only to what I said, that two competing parts that MUST be in the mix at the same time and are competing/clashing in frequencies can absolutely and should be panned, and yes is definitely helps with clarity, to say it doesn't is just absurd. I don't mean hard fully panned either, even just a little equal offset panning of each part is usually enough and has been utilised in mixing since the beginning of stereo mixing. Yes, this won't come over well when listening to MONO or one channel, the effect is the same, one part will either be too quiet compared to the other OR (if hard panned), may be missing completely...again...this is not a mixing or production problem, because we mix for stereo and all the benefits that stereo offer, nobody mixes for mono (unless that's a requirement) and certainly nobody who knows what they're doing mixes for an end user who pans to listen to music with one fucking earbud, that's ridiculous@@ejmikk
@@ChrisP3000x What purpose does it serve? As I said, it is not difficult to tell the speakers apart without the panning. Just stating something serves a purpose without actually giving a reason or arguing the point in any way is ridiculous.
Great guy. Fantastic presentation of the Push 3 standalone. Exactly this is what this Maschine is made for
Wow, Simon is wonderful to listen to.
Just what I wanted to see, perfect way to start the day. I really like Simon’s relaxed, knowledgeable vibe. Excellent content, very useful!
Really useful video - this is the reason I bought my Push3 standalone so nice to get a few tips and bits of inspiration.
Best video I’ve seen on the push 3. Good to watch a Live performance perspective to ableton and push
this was very interesting bit of interview guys. Im still digesting it all, but thank you both for being generous and sharing.
One of the best push performances I’ve ever seen 👌👍🏻🔥
Excellent video. Thanks so much for sharing your experience and knowledge!
I love using push 3 standalone for my modular jams and I'm going to bring it to a small music fest and do a jam this weekend actually with it. I've had crashes when doing too much MIDI MPE stuff but I'm running the latest beta firmware and it's been more stable I think.
Great video. Thanks so much for doing this. Cheers!
This is really cool. However, I've been playing around for ages trying to get my new Push 3 and TR-8S to play together nicely without latency drift. Just tried this exact same setup (USB between TR and Push and audio out from TR to Push) but latency is still unpredictable so have to adjust sync delay pretty much every time I hit play and sometimes it drifts. How are you not getting the same issue? I also occasionally get some sudden static noise and then the latency has jumped further out.
This was great, really appreciate the insight and it gave me a great idea to use my MC707 as a midi controller with the P3S. Would love to see how you handle multiple live instances of Wavetable in a full set. Instrument Rack with PC messages?
Can someone recommend a USB hub with at least 8 ports to connect my other midi controllers and at least 1 external drive (with sample libraries) to both my laptop and Push 3 when in standalone. Issues I've had in the pass is that some of the controllers are not powering up. Im not sure why and if its the quality or specks of the hubs I've used in the past.
Any recomendations would be great
Yep I'm using the RSHTECH USB Hub active 3.0, it's powered via an external power adapter. Works well
I'm about to open a ticket with Ableton, but anyone having issues with the CV Instrument? I'm using an ES-8 (Eurorack module) with a pair of ADAT cables, a Push 3 (Standalone), and an M1 Mac. The CV Instrument (latest version) is broken when switching from the Mac to Standalone mode. First, get the CV Instrument working and tuned via the Mac, then copy the project to Push, switch to Standalone, open the project. The CV Instrument loads but the sound produced is wrecked. Feels bad.
It looks like there were couple things happening, first when switching Push from controller to standalone, the ADAT "handshake" will sometimes glitch out, and the ES-8 has to be power cycled, next, when running the CV Instrument on the stand alone, the built-in Expression controls do not seem to support Min and Max percent values, so if you have a patch that depends on limiting how much expression is applied, you'll have to use something on the hardware, finally, at least for the CV Instrument, do NOT collect all and save files from factory packs, as there would appear to be a difference between the CV Instrument that installs on the Push 3 via Packs, and the CV Instrument that installs on the Mac via Packs (the Mac version when loaded in a standalone project does not preserve pitch calibration , or something is drastically off and the notes just squeal with very high pitch). Good luck, everyone.
Quick question if the tr8s is being used as a midi controller to control the volume faders of the ableton tracks how is it possible to control the volume sounds of the real tr8s drums if u wanted to use the tr8 drum sounds? Wouldn't one fader be controlling both ableton and tr8 sounds?
I have the same question
@@qwertySnowy I think those tracks are not midi mapped. Simon explained that he routed the tr-8s (drums) to an audio track via audio-in on P3S.
35:41 It sounds like "Freak Out (Original Club Mix)" by Supadelics
I can't get push 3 to connect to an ad hock network or a "create network" any ideas there? It's fine over home wifi but if i'm at a gig and there's no wifi...
i need this for using link
Brilliant 😊
can you plug a novation launchpad pro in session mode into Push 3s usb host port in standalone to use as a clip launcher while using the Push in note mode?
Good thought. Though not sure if the standalone supports the manifest
@@sonicstate could make a custom layout for things like that at least. But it would be great if @novation and @ableton could get that working! itd be like a second screen for your push!
I saw the Push 3 Standalone demo at Gearfest. I like the hardware, but less the price. I get the immediacy and the user interface. Still would struggle for me over an iOS device. I also notice that the TR-8S was more at the heart of the performance aspect (I have one of those). Don't get me wrong, I like the idea of the Push. However, just not sure I could justify the price of the hardware (upgradable or not). Nice video as always from SonicState.
I had a hamster that was called Ping. Lovely little fella
Didn’t know ur South Glasgow, good to know. I’ve been doing similar with Maschine but think Push is much better . Will check your page
I don’t get it, once you just use it as a playback machine there is really anything going on that he couldn’t get from the laptop directly.
Push 3 is still just an extension of Live as the standalone mode is more of a sketch machine to finish in the computer and load back for live performances
Most "standalone" devices are just that. Tools.
I'd be MUCH more interested in a walkthrough of how to use Push 3 for making music in standalone, not performing already made music. I'm a bedroom producer, not a live performing artist and I suspect I'm in the majority among viewers of this RUclips channel.
Needs more Cello.
This is the Beat Thang remixed.. nothing else to say about that.
You are afraid of Ableton. Just admit it.
Post your music.. I want to see something..
poosh
He said he can do everything. Can he do follow actions? Can he arrange on the standalone? Bro was wreck less with thr bs. Nothing against Nick though. I get it.
yawn, we already know these are not implemented yet. you are boring.
Not yet. I imagine those features will come later through updates. Patience. Or just don’t buy it
Obviously a Ableton sponsored video. Not one critical question, and also missing questions like 'what do you miss on the Push 3, and what would do you think Ableton must add.....'. I'm sorry, Nick. This was not OK!
This is a demo/workflow video, not a review. There are so many other videos pointing out the flaws of push in its current state.
Yep sponsored and it is labelled as such. No problem
@@sonicstate Yep sponsored, so no negative sounding questions......or Mr. Ableton will punish you
It is not difficult at all to distinguish between the two voices, so panning the your voices left and right serves no actual purpose and it also makes listening on only one earphone very annoying. I do it all the time while cleaning/walking the dog etc.
Contrastively panning certain parts that you absolutely must have playing simultaneously in a busy mix, that are competing over the same frequency range is a MUST sometimes, this has been a thing in mixing forever. If things aren't sounding great to you while listening in mono, you are the problem.
@@stateazure I have been working as a professional audio engineer for over a decade. Panning when it comes to mixing for clarity has nothing to do with panning two speaking voices that don't cross over each other. When you are listening on one earphone, you are not (usually) listening in mono, you are essentially listening just the left or right channel. If the voices are panned, one voice is always louder and one quieter, which is obviously bad.
Almost as long as me, but there's no contest here and besides I've seen mixing and mastering engineers with decades of experience talking absolute bollocks. Now I don't know exactly what you're referring to precisely, if it was something in this video that I completely missed (I was distracted sometimes and didn't catch everything in the video), please point me to where this was mentioned? Regardless, my point was related only to what I said, that two competing parts that MUST be in the mix at the same time and are competing/clashing in frequencies can absolutely and should be panned, and yes is definitely helps with clarity, to say it doesn't is just absurd. I don't mean hard fully panned either, even just a little equal offset panning of each part is usually enough and has been utilised in mixing since the beginning of stereo mixing. Yes, this won't come over well when listening to MONO or one channel, the effect is the same, one part will either be too quiet compared to the other OR (if hard panned), may be missing completely...again...this is not a mixing or production problem, because we mix for stereo and all the benefits that stereo offer, nobody mixes for mono (unless that's a requirement) and certainly nobody who knows what they're doing mixes for an end user who pans to listen to music with one fucking earbud, that's ridiculous@@ejmikk
Panning voices does serve a purpose.
Wearing one earbud (especially for content focused on audio production) is rare and ridiculous.
@@ChrisP3000x What purpose does it serve? As I said, it is not difficult to tell the speakers apart without the panning. Just stating something serves a purpose without actually giving a reason or arguing the point in any way is ridiculous.