I like your interview with him much better than the Double Fries No Coleslaw guy. Yours is short sweet and to the point. This attorney is spot on! Too bad the mainstream media shows can’t or won’t report this kind of content. Nice job!
DoubleFriesNoSlaw is clickbait. Shit is infuriating. He puts out multiple videos regurgitating the same damn thing with click bait titles and thumbnails. Never any braking information or stuff you haven't heard before.
@@sberry55 It was the lies from this dude about 2027 contract to expand 2027 for the February 1st of next year for ESPN to pick up the option. ESPN reported for years that the contract is until 2036. Many news articles reported 2036. You can't change the contract if you are not happy. I think the 2025 is nothing but a BS lies from fans of Florida State like Double Fries No Coleslaw.
B1G played off interest for OU and UW. Don't let state/city markets play with your mind either. It is eyes watching the game. FSU vs Aub is going to get a lot of eyeballs. FSU vs Wisc is going to get a lot of eyeballs. My Huskers have the smallest market in the B1G but ranks 4 or 5 in B1G viewership. What I am saying is FSU will rank in the top half of viewership in the B1G and SEC. Both conferences want them.
@@michaelwall6013 The ACC has two incentives to settle quickly. 1.) The ESPN renewal deadline is coming sooner rather than later. 2.) The earlier FSU leaves, the more valuable leaving is for FSU. That gives the ACC more leverage in negotiations.
Maybe they are not sure if they want to exercise the option because they know the period to pick up to 36 option was extended after the contractual deadline to do so, said deadline being extended by a memo from Phillips which it appears he did not have the authority to do.
LOL! Big 12 owes Clemson and FSU a check for the use of their names to draw attention to their media days and conference now that UT and OU have officially left.
They’d be fools not too. Yormark (however you spell his name) is clearly a marketing genius & a tremendous business man. I would take his leadership over the dumbass currently running our ACC Conference into the ground any day of the week. That being said, there is absolutely ZERO chance FSU ever considers (let alone joins) the XII
All I will say is that the lawyers and judges have all the documents in full and know what exactly is in them. You wouldn’t have the two biggest football brands in the ACC go through all of this if there wasn’t legitimate evidence in those documents. At this point it’s just a matter of when FSU and Clemson will get out. When that happens then the floodgates will be open and I think the next schools that will try to leave will probably be North Carolina and possibly Miami. Especially if FSU and Clemson can get into one of the power two schools with good deals.
If they knew for sure FSU was locked in, absolutely right. The problem comes if they pick up the option and then FSU prevails in getting out. Because the ACC added Cal, Stanford and SMU, FSU and Clemson leaving wont trigger their out clause on the contract.
What YOU don’t seem to grasp is FSU AND Ckemson are both leaving REGARDLESS of whether or not they win their legal battles. FSU has already secured the “financing” needed to pay their way out (I’m not as up to date with Clemson’s financial situation but I think it’s safe to assume they too either have or are in the process of making the necessary arrangements). Maybe FSU & Clemson don’t leave until 2027, but even then they’d still be leaving NINE YEARS before the contract ends & espn would be stuck paying $50M a year for a handful of teams no one watches…hence why they are not keen to sign off on the extension.
@@seminoldschool7032You can’t secure financing without knowing the amount needed. It’s not a blank check. FSU has $179m available and can get up to $50m if needed. Nothing is going to happen until the ACC and FSU come to a settlement. The ACC is doing everything it can to drag it out for years, which is a distinct possibility. However, the ACC is having to fight in both a FL court and a SC court. It’s a reasonable assumption that something is going to happen in one or the other state courts to push the ACC to the settlement table. That most likely will be 6-9 months from now. FSU will get out of the ACC but it will be for the’26-‘27 season. I do not think that it will be earlier. It’s coming but not as quick as many people on social media are making claims.
The Big and SEC are waiting for FSU and CU to settle with the ACC. You will see how quickly they make a play for these two schools. It's all smoke, and the BigXll is not naive to this lack of interest exhibited by both conferences
@RedMage409 I have been paying attention for over 30 years. Lol ... I remember 1991, and the irresponsible decision to go ACC over SEC .. all this FSU buyers remorse was very predictable
@@gregoryjasonsmith5732 Yes, and comes across to me as Happy Talk shrouded in liability jargon. Just because one hopes Greg Sankey et al to be lying as some sort of legal cover for the inevitable FSU etc addition - despite public statements to the contrary - doesn't make it so. IMO, Sankey could ride off into the sunset with his geographically sane, rich about to get much richer SEC16, and just be as happy and content as Pete Rozell was after the AFL-NFL merger. LOL
A lot of comedians (and politicians) will say "true story" after they've told you something that is not true. The way you can tell when people in sports (mostly fans commenting) are lying is when they say "it's a done deal." I don't think I've ever heard someone say something was a done deal when it really was a done deal.
Great show as always…as a old head die hard FSU fan, alumn, & high-ish level booster I can absolutely assure everyone that there is no world we live in NOW or EVER that involves FSU joining the XII. This isn’t a knock on their conference, I think they have a TON of very exciting teams & I love watching them play…but there is no scenario where going to the XII solves ANY of the current issues FSU is attempting to escape from. FSU will not be a XII team, ever…this is a talking exercise in theoretics and nothing more
I don't care at all, which conference that FSU is in the future. I'm a die hard fan that is waiting for a National Title and probably will wait for a while longer
Expert? Look, honest questions here [with no malice intended]…Isn’t Rohan a personal local injury, crime, accident and civil rights lawyer and not a business or contract attorney? And, didn’t he graduate from Florida State? People also seem to want to ignore the growing rumors of the SEC supposedly looking more heavily at Kansas and West Virginia down the road. And, the Big 10 taking a closer look at Colorado and Utah. Sure, these are just rumors right now but so is everything else. But theses rumors seem to hold a lot more logical value than either or both FSU or Clemson going to either the SEC or Big10. Again, neither school has the academics to get in to the Big 10 and the SEC doesn’t need more members in areas they already are represented in. As the SEC said, very plainly, there is just no financial reason to add FSU and/or Clemson.
I respect that. I can’t speak for EVERY FSU or Clemson fan but this isn’t a matter of us not respecting the XII. I for one thinks it’s an AWESOME conference with the most parity from top to bottom and I think that conference happens to play the most exciting style of football. It isn’t “beneath us” or “insulting” to be rumored to the XII…it’s just not financially feasible as it stands right now. The entire reason FSU is fighting to leave revolves around the fact that they’ll be earning less than HALF of what teams like Vanderbilt or Rutgers make EVERY-SINGLE-YEAR starting in 2026. FSU currently bridges the pay gap with boosters & that keeps us at even money with the top dogs TODAY…but we can’t just double our booster income in 2026 & then continue to increase that booster funding by an additional 3% every year for eternity. Honestly if money wasn’t an issue I for one would love the idea of joining the XII. I recognize that your conference WILL be making more than ours in the coming years (I think y’all officially jump us in 2027? Maybe it’s sooner🤷🏻♂️)…but your conference will still only be paying out about $4M more each year than ours does…and while $4M a year would be life changing for you & me it just doesn’t put a dent in the difference between our conferences earnings and the P2
If the ACC contract extends to '30's, what will BY do? Do we sit still? That's proven to be unhealthy! We have to go all in on UConn! Serious consideration for WSU, OSU, SDSU, UNLV, Memphis St, Tulane & USF. Back to the basketball options. Gonzaga, Creighton, Marquette, Villanova, Seton Hall & St Johns. All affordable but strong options, go with numbers. 24 team for football. 30 teams with basketball. 3 divisions 😅
I might be wrong but I cannot see why FSU or Clemson would go to the Big 12. The money is not necessarily going to be that much more in the short run and the path to the playoffs doesn’t get substantially easier. Collectively the ACC has some excellent Law and Business schools. I would think if they had a true path out that mindshare would have solved for it already. Only time will tell though! In the meantime it’s great content for the silly season.
People said the same thing about the Pac before it imploded. The thing is, outside of Clemson and FSU, no one really cares about the rest, with the exception being UNC and Miami.
@@gregoryjasonsmith5732 For one, because ACC basketball is also a valuable commodity- in particular Fox would essentially own college basketball if they add full rights to the ACC sans just FSU/Clemson to their Big Ten/Big 12 rights. Secondly, if only FSU/Clemson leave the ACC still has enough decent brands to make for a solid secondary option for any network
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if Turner doesn't make a run at the ACC rights if ESPN drops them- due to their March Madness deal they almost have to have some kind of basketball commitment
At the date ESPN extends it's contract with The ACC, the conference will welcome Notre Dame to head the West division of the ACC ... NOTRE DAME FSU LOUISVILLE SMU STANFORD CAL GA TECH PITT SYRACUSE Notre Dame will play CLEMSON as it's common opponent from the ACC East Division and will rotate their other East Division games vs MIAMI UNC NC STATE VA TECH..... and the rest of the East Division. ND will have 3 non-con games of their choosing m
ESPN and ACC are likely looking for a slightly reworked deal beginning in 2027 and that takes to,e. Again the media deal favors ESPN in current climate so they will not just allow fsu and Clemson to walk and become free agents.
@becks89 The ACC has zero leverage to rework the deal. The way the contract is worded, ESPN can trigger the renewal at already agreed upon rates and the ACC has no veto power.
@@gregoryjasonsmith5732 IMO it’s actually in both ACC and ESPN best interest that deal gets sweetened. Agreed that conference has little leverage but ESPN needs to keep conference members (outside of FSU and Clemson perhaps) happy to avoid multiple schools from looking to leave.
@@becks89 So, you are saying that ESPN will gladly pay more money than they contractually have to pay to an ACC that loses both FSU and Clemson. I can't possibly see what they can by that. They can let the ACC fall apart and keep the middle of the ACC in the ESPN portfolio in the Big 12.
@@gregoryjasonsmith5732 Big 12’s media deal includes both ESPN and Fox (not sure of break down). ESPN has the leverage in this deal but it’s also in their best interest to keep ACC happy. For all I know they could be negotiating FSU’s and Clemson’s eventual exit.
@@gregoryjasonsmith5732As @Becks89 alluded to, the cost to ESPN of losing ACC inventory or associated schools for the B1G may be greater than the benefits of schools realigning to the SEC or XII respectively. It will come back to what is the ACC willing to accept in terms of revenue gap between itself and the SEC/B1G as the XII media rights, while ESPN is technically now as the Primary partner, still shares the Tier1b/2 games with Fox.
Espn doesnt renew contract 2027..FSU and Clemson jump ship. NBC comes in with offer.. 50+ per school.. ACC adds 3 for 2.. pac 2 schools and kansas # 2 kansas , k state and texas tech , or texas am ... ( Oil money) Tv money not as important...#3 fsu and clemson stay.. new contract with espn or NBC.. things go on the next 5-6 years until new media deals
@@odmel22 The interest would have to be mutual. Although the Big XII is a fine conference full of great teams and people, it is not a P2 anymore than the ACC is. There is virtually zero interest by FSU in a lateral move. Zero.
It doesn't matter that the SEC, B1G or Big 12 have not said anything positive about Clemson or FSU. The conferences don't want to be involved in future ACC lawsuits. I don't have any idea where Clemson and/or FSU go. I'll be glad when all this realignment is over.
@@KeithR-n3y Then why did conference representatives go on the record and discuss FSU and UNC? This lie needs to stop. If they were scared of lawsuits they'd say "no comment" so there's no story instead of trying to lie in an interview. The Supreme Court is pretty clear that a reporter doesn't have to reveal anonymous sources unless it's a matter of national security. The ACC is not the DOD.
@KeithR-n3y the SEC and the B10 have made statements about FSU and Clemson situation with the ACC. The B12 has not, and that was my point. The guest is full of shit.
Wait it wouldn't be a laterateral move. As of next year the B12 will make more than the ACC, now we can up our media deal with the 4 corner schools. We are already owed a raise, about to probably double the ACC's money. Plus PE. Id say 60 mil 5o 80 mil per school after we add more schools
😂😂…I don’t think an extra $4M a year is the “game changer” you want it to be lol. FSU already makes more money than any XII team (even after the increase) with their additional revenue streams. They are currently top12 in highest revenue earning programs…the problem is that 80% of their “revenue” comes from alternative streams”, meaning boosters have been making up the difference for the last 15+ years just to keep ‘em competitive…but now that the SEC & B1G teams are about to start receiving nearly DOUBLE what they used to it’s no longer a sustainable or realistic strategy to rely on said “alternative streams”. FSU & Clemson are the ONLY 2 teams in ANY Conference that EARN (generate) almost TWICE as much money as they receive (feel free to google this…it will blow your mind & hopefully allow you to develop a new appreciation for the situation these 2 teams are currently in). When FSU & Clemson complain about subsidizing every team in the conference they aren’t being hyperbolic, those other schools LITERALLY survive entirely off the money those 2 schools give them.
@JohnDry-d7z You have to factor in the exit costs from the ACC. Twice the pay plus the exit costs leave those schools in roughly the same shape financially for at least a decade. Might as well stay in the ACC until 2036 and then move.
At best it’s a lateral move. I think the top 5 or 6 teams in the ACC are all better at football than any team in the big12 now that Texas and Oklahoma or gone.
@@user-ed8gb2fq9g I agree, at least in terms of “potential”….all top4 teams in than ACC have a PROVEN POTENTIAL to compete & win at the highest level (National Championships). I will say that imo the XII is THE MOST competitive conference through & through as it stands (while they might not YET have an “elite” National Contending Brand in their midst virtually every team in that conference is capable/talented enough to win the XII…and also I happen to think they play the most exciting style of football, additionally the collection of HCs in their conference is outstanding). I genuinely like & respect the XII. The fact that it isn’t realistic or advantageous for FSU to consider joining that conference isn’t a reflection on the teams representing it…it’s simply a matter of money. FSU needs to be earning B1G/SEC-level money year over year to continue competing at the highest possible level.
While I would lime to see the ACC remain viable, UNC and Virginia will not accept making second tier conference money. When they depart and I think they will, then who's to say what direction the rest of the ACC schools will head?
Makes a lot of sense. I know Florida St and Clemson have no offers. I do believe that if they get free, one or both P2 conferences will have a spot. The only other 2 teams that have real value are ND and UNC. And that the fact Jack.
The Big Ten wants Notre Dame, who now is willing to join a conference at some point without Stanford. FSU just got rejected for AAU membership, I don't think the B1G will take them.
The big ten in the past has shown that it isn't always about the aau thing. I believe Nebraska wasn't aau in the beginning but now are. Nebraska was a big brand at the time and the big ten jumped at the opportunity. Same will happen here. Just my take. Getting notre dame and a combination of Stanford, clemson and fsu would definitely put big ten over the sec in terms of all around talent. Dint forget Miami too. That's huge markets for tv rights and NBC already has notre dame so changing the deal wouldn't hurt notre dame at all really .
@@2528drevas Rejected? What a moronic statement. FSU just recently got a medical school so have only been trying for AAU status for 2-3 years. USF, which just got AAU had been trying for FIFTEEN years. FSU didn’t get in this cycle but will next cycle. And to emphasize your complete lack of knowledge about anything having to do with college football, you make the statement that ND is ready to join the B1G. ND just recently signed a lucrative contract with NBC that runs through 2030.
@@2528drevas They didn't get rejected. It was more like a revise and resubmit. The AAU gave FSU a small list of things to improve. Mainly, replacing their president and filling several vacant roles.
@@DiO-fy5ex I am so grateful that your son didn’t go to FSU. Good choice, dad. BTW, FSU went 10-3 in 2022 and 13-1 in 2023 and will win 10 this year and next and next. Mike Norvell won 10 games with a 40% BCR and 13 with a 45% BCR. The 2025 recruiting class is 90% BCR. They ain’t going anywhere but up. Meanwhile, Sunbelt Billy is hoping to not get 4-8 this year. UF’s O/U is 5.5.
stopped listening when the guy said "the Big 12 wants to take the acc's spot as the No. 3 conference". FLState got left out of the playoffs because they're in the 4th best conference.
@@user-qh5rm4hi4k You are saying that if FSU went 13-0 and were Big XII champions, they would have gone to the playoffs? The playoffs have to have an SEC team in it and it was Saban’s farewell party. But none of that would have mattered if they were in the Big XII? Whatever slim grip you may have had with reality seems to have slipped away.
@505premoto FLState would have been in the playoffs (like tcu last yr) if the 'noles had been in the B12. Obviously a major reason the 'noles want out!
@@user-qh5rm4hi4k I presume you are joking. The ESPN College Football Invitational Tournament and SEC Showcase has NEVER had a tournament without an SEC team. NEVER. And it was Nick Saban’s farewell party. You are delusional if you think that ESPN would have skipped over Alabama for FSU if they were in the Big XII. And even more delusional if you think that the Big XII is higher rated than the ACC. Both FSU and Clemson have won national championships recently. And that is exactly why the Big XII is slobbering over getting them.
Why do u consider this clown an expert on anything that is not related to the court case. He’s a FSU alumni lawyer, nothing more. And nothing he said was related to the law., just rose colored opinions.
Okay. I usually love me some Doug Rohan, but he has a fan boy attitude in this interview. A big reason he uses to prove that Florida State would not come is actually one of the main reasons why they could. The thought that moving to the Big 12 is a lateral move is very short sighted. The Big 12 is only behind the ACC by about $.5 million right now. If Florida State and Clemson came to the Big 12, the Big 12 would immediately restructure their TV deal and would be way ahead of the ACC even if their TV deal does not change, which is unlikely without them in the conference. But that is only part of it. The Big 12 already has 2 teams that have participated in the CFP. If Florida State and Clemson came to the Big 12, that would give the Big 12 4 teams that have participated in the CFP with the ACC having none. That would significantly increase the Big 12’s CFP dollars, too, and decrease the ACC’s. Just an educated guess, but seems reasonable.
ESPN will need to keep ACC and B12 alive in order to,fill their schedules…slots…..and to keep from being sued. …as they Rearrange their schedules to the advantage of the SEC/B10…for the top games and playoffs. And the B12/ACC will continue to kiss their asses and take whatever they can get ! With the AAC as the conference designed to get the Power 2 some wins before the real season. FSU…has the only argument to upgrade…but nobody wants their BS. Once they get set…it will settle down. B12 will need to settle with a few decent programs … but ACC will have enough to stay put ….but be weaker with FSU gone…Clemson overplayed their cards..and stays put! B12…settles for the P2 with a little bit of that P12 settlement money…paid upfront! However….the B10 has 1 slot….Notre Dame and North Carolina are their top targets! Sec can just wait…rack in the dough…adjust to UT/OU and wait for the best time to strike….but no one is really needed to upgrade their conference….especially if the B10/SEC get 6 slots min. in the playoffs…why add?? ACC can’t do anything unless ESPN renegotiate/extends….which makes no sense at this time….they have you locked in ! And you have no added value with the 3 schools added. …ex…FSU vs anyone is better than anything you got! The longer this gets strung out…the more it stays the same !!
I have been saying to Greg Flugars channel that if circumstances worked out a certain way I could see FSU and Clemson in the BIG12. And yes, it revolves around money.
@@christopherhooter1937 In what way? If they agreed to stay for two years and exit that would free them up for the’27 season to move. And in a decade, everyone would have forgotten. The fact that you can’t understand that is your problem, not theirs.
Although I think FSU and Clemson probably deserve to be in the Big 10 or SEC, I'm not so sure the Big 10 and SEC need them enough right now to give them an invite and possibly dilute shares. The CFB bubble will burst at some time, and there is only so much money to go around, and FSU and Clemson may have been caught on the outside looking in.
If you are referring to FSU well GREAT because we don't want the SEspnC. And the fact that you obviously think that FSU just woke up one morning and deceided "Oh we have nothing else going on...lets sue the conference". If you really believe that then your ignorance is showing. Do you really not think that they did not try to work this out? The ACC will not tell them what is owed or show proof as to why. The results of such a drastic action could be catastrophic if it goes again them. Really Wumpus, Really?
Good one. You say that like you have some personal vested stake in the SECs best interest, meanwhile FSU has done nothing to be problematic, except ask to make the extra 30 million SEC and Big10 schools are getting. FSU is making less money than Vandy. Think about that for a second.
@@bradenm3 it's the way they are going about it. The presidents in these two conferences have referred to FSU as a bad partner. One going another way to saying that whoever is giving FSU advice is doing them a disservice. The SEC doesn't need FSU or Clemson. They have those markets. It would only be added as a defensive move to prevent the BIG from acquiring them. They also do not have AAU status and until they do the BIG won't add them. If they do get that maybe they would included with ND If they change their mind on Independence and that would put the conference at 20 schools and they would probably shut things down after that.
1) This lawyer/FSU alum sounds a lot like so many Utah fans not long ago. And we all know how that turned out. 2) Mr. FSU's contention that the Big XII is willing to expose themselves to tortious interference claims because the Big XII knows that FSU would never come to the Big XII so they would not be held liable, and is further exposing themselves for some sort of Bill Veeck-esque self-promotion reason is doubly ludicrous. 3) Mr. FSU's contention that MORE people will actually watch FSU and Clemson football games because they are in the news due to their court battles with their ACC Conference overlords is questionable. FSU and Clemson fans will watch the games as will the fans of their opponents. Most other decent people will not be sucked in just because of legal proceedings. This isn't like Donald Trump getting arraigned. Mr. Kurtz, don't invite this guy back on your show.
Leaving ACC to go to BIg 12 is NOT a lateral move. Hate to brake it to Mr. Rohan. The reality is the upper 1/3rd of the ACC brings 90% of the media value where as all the value (nearly equal the ACC) is spread across all 16 Big XII schools and its national reach.
They won’t leave for the big 12. I think they will get AAU accreditation and get in the B1G.. the research money is what FSU wants. It’s about more than just football.
You know why, because much like their lack of a playoff spot, FSU thinks they can bully their way into the B1G or SEC. Neither are AAU, which IS important I don't care what this idiot John Kurtz or that half wit Josh Pate says, because the B1G, if they were to expand would want North Carolina and Virginia. FSU swears they are they pretty girl at the prom that everyone wants to dance with. The B1G is not giving invitations to Clemson or FSU, just because FSU is the best of a bad bunch. Fsu fans swear that all they have to do is get out of their grant of rights that their dumb asses signed, not once, but twice, and the B1G is just going to invite them with open arms. Teams have changed conferences twice in the last 2 years. If the B1G wanted them why didn't they invite them? FSU and their fans are clueless if they think the B1G or the SEC is just going renegotiate their grant of rights just to get them in.
Doug doesn’t know. Who knows , a select few decision makers. He’s a lawyer. ?!?Obvious he thinks Big12 is an inferior group. Did say they would go for 80 million And that I believe, But did you notice how nervous he got at that prospect ? He absolutely does not want the Big 12 . It would break his heart.
@@marycrockerrohe2371 🤡My comment is based on what I saw . He is very biased against the Big 12. But he will take the money ?Did you even watch the video?🤪🤡 Nothing but facts . Are you his Momma? Hmmm?
😂😂😂bruh you need to get a grip lol. I know Doug personally, he has plenty of legitimate concerns in his life…where FSU plays football isn’t one of ‘em lol
@seminolesxhool7032 He seems heavily invested to me going on these podcasts with his pro FSU rhetoric. He has no clue what’s really going on and just bull charges head on with a bias view that has 0 substance
This lawyer is full of theories and no facts. ESPN don't base the acc on fs and Clemson. ESPN makes money showing football games. Whether it's the mac, aac, sunbelt or the costal, ESPN need games to show to make money.
@@tallyrc ESPN has rights with the ACC and Big 12. Why would they lose money with FSU and Clemson staying there or going there and paying less to broadcast them?
No they need to sell advertising and have enough demand that the cable companies feel like they NEED to carry the ACC network. Televising bad games and paying billions to do it does not make money
@@christopherhooter1937 Exactly. They want UNC and UVA. The word coming out of the SEC is that they are losing interest in college football and financially additive programs and now want to shift their emphasis to other sports and no longer caring about financial matters. It’s a new day for the SEC.
This guy is delusional FSU fan. It's not a misinformation campaign from B10 stand point. The B10 has never had interest in FSU, they have wanted UVA and UNC as top choices forever, followed by Gtech and Miami. FSU is mot AAU and has tried forever. They got a slap in the face when USF got in, last round. FSU is not a cultural fit either, they are in the part of the state that is like Allabama/Mississippi, not the Central and South Florida part. If B10 wanted the Florida market they would let the implosion of the ACC occur and take Miami, which is AAU, an actual cultural fit, etc.. From the SEC stand point, they already have the Florida market. Clemson has the same dynamics for B10, Clemson is actually worse because SC is not a desirable market. Clemson adds nothing to SEC as they already have a school in that state. Said it 10 months ago, Clemson and FSU are going to end up paying 100s of millions to make an essentially lateral move..the B12
Hahaha. “It’s all a misinformation campaign and I can prove it to you” and then he follows up with pure conjecture and zero proof. That alone removes any credibility this guy might have had. 😂
@@edjrenaline I don’t think you fully understand what evidence (or proof) means. He offered up a possible reason. Literally zero proof or evidence. None at all.
@@edjrenaline there’s plenty of other reasons. They truly aren’t interested. They know it’s a moot point because Clemson and FSU media rights belong to the ACC until 2036. They don’t like the school colors. Whatever. He said he could “prove” it and then went on to prove absolutely nothing. 🤷♂️
@@pjtarheel what did you expect? To see signed documents? Lol.. It's logic and legal reasoning. To think that SEC and BIG10 have ZERO interest in FSU and Clemson and that the BIG12 can freely commit tortious interference and have high hopes for them makes no sense.
@@seminoldschool7032 😂 2027 is the date that espn has the option to extend their contract with the ACC. That has zero to do with the GoR, which goes to 2036. I swear - I’m fascinated by where some of you get your “information”.
I believe that Rohan has been the best on this subject throughout this saga.
Let 2024 Football Season Begin!
Dear God PLEASE🙏🏻 😂
@@seminoldschool7032 Amen.
I absolutely agree with lawyer on the Greedy 2 lying about disinterest in FSU & Clemson (though Clemson to Big 12 is still possible).
Clemson is not an AAU member so no B1G for them. The SEC has said they want state schools so we're does that leave Clemson?
@@davidb3422Clemson is a land grate state school. Just like NCSt. And Va Tech… and all three are the best FB programs in their states.
@@davidb3422 or FSU
@@davidb3422Clemson is a public school
Clemson is a Public State University
I like your interview with him much better than the Double Fries No Coleslaw guy. Yours is short sweet and to the point. This attorney is spot on! Too bad the mainstream media shows can’t or won’t report this kind of content. Nice job!
DoubleFriesNoSlaw is clickbait. Shit is infuriating. He puts out multiple videos regurgitating the same damn thing with click bait titles and thumbnails. Never any braking information or stuff you haven't heard before.
@@sberry55 It was the lies from this dude about 2027 contract to expand 2027 for the February 1st of next year for ESPN to pick up the option. ESPN reported for years that the contract is until 2036. Many news articles reported 2036. You can't change the contract if you are not happy. I think the 2025 is nothing but a BS lies from fans of Florida State like Double Fries No Coleslaw.
Great show m John. Really enjoyed it.
Where did any of those people say fsu and Clemson are interested in going to the big 12 if anything they said the opposite
B1G played off interest for OU and UW. Don't let state/city markets play with your mind either. It is eyes watching the game. FSU vs Aub is going to get a lot of eyeballs. FSU vs Wisc is going to get a lot of eyeballs. My Huskers have the smallest market in the B1G but ranks 4 or 5 in B1G viewership. What I am saying is FSU will rank in the top half of viewership in the B1G and SEC. Both conferences want them.
FOX had a lot to do with that. Half shares until the next media negotiation.
Nothing happening till the court cases have been resolved.
And it’s in the ACCs interest to drag it out as long as possible and fight the loss of Clemson and fsu to the death. It will be years.
@@michaelwall6013
The ACC has two incentives to settle quickly. 1.) The ESPN renewal deadline is coming sooner rather than later. 2.) The earlier FSU leaves, the more valuable leaving is for FSU. That gives the ACC more leverage in negotiations.
Maybe they are not sure if they want to exercise the option because they know the period to pick up to 36 option was extended after the contractual deadline to do so, said deadline being extended by a memo from Phillips which it appears he did not have the authority to do.
He’s right though about the Big 12 just using this as a PR opportunity.
LOL! Big 12 owes Clemson and FSU a check for the use of their names to draw attention to their media days and conference now that UT and OU have officially left.
They’d be fools not too. Yormark (however you spell his name) is clearly a marketing genius & a tremendous business man. I would take his leadership over the dumbass currently running our ACC Conference into the ground any day of the week. That being said, there is absolutely ZERO chance FSU ever considers (let alone joins) the XII
@@seminoldschool7032FSU is B10 or bust, SEC is fine with Florida Uonly
Renegade report shout out!!! ❤❤❤❤
This makes sense
All I will say is that the lawyers and judges have all the documents in full and know what exactly is in them. You wouldn’t have the two biggest football brands in the ACC go through all of this if there wasn’t legitimate evidence in those documents. At this point it’s just a matter of when FSU and Clemson will get out. When that happens then the floodgates will be open and I think the next schools that will try to leave will probably be North Carolina and possibly Miami. Especially if FSU and Clemson can get into one of the power two schools with good deals.
Is this guy a good lawyer? Who knows. He is a great business person. That I know. Love me some Doug Rohan, even though I disagree with him.
ESPN gets the ACC at a bargain, they would be stupid if they either don't pick up the option or facilitate FSU and Clemson leaving to their competitor
Oh I'm sure you know their numbers better than they do.
If they knew for sure FSU was locked in, absolutely right. The problem comes if they pick up the option and then FSU prevails in getting out. Because the ACC added Cal, Stanford and SMU, FSU and Clemson leaving wont trigger their out clause on the contract.
What YOU don’t seem to grasp is FSU AND Ckemson are both leaving REGARDLESS of whether or not they win their legal battles. FSU has already secured the “financing” needed to pay their way out (I’m not as up to date with Clemson’s financial situation but I think it’s safe to assume they too either have or are in the process of making the necessary arrangements).
Maybe FSU & Clemson don’t leave until 2027, but even then they’d still be leaving NINE YEARS before the contract ends & espn would be stuck paying $50M a year for a handful of teams no one watches…hence why they are not keen to sign off on the extension.
@@seminoldschool7032You can’t secure financing without knowing the amount needed. It’s not a blank check. FSU has $179m available and can get up to $50m if needed. Nothing is going to happen until the ACC and FSU come to a settlement. The ACC is doing everything it can to drag it out for years, which is a distinct possibility. However, the ACC is having to fight in both a FL court and a SC court. It’s a reasonable assumption that something is going to happen in one or the other state courts to push the ACC to the settlement table. That most likely will be 6-9 months from now. FSU will get out of the ACC but it will be for the’26-‘27 season. I do not think that it will be earlier. It’s coming but not as quick as many people on social media are making claims.
“Handful of teams no one watches? “. Please!
Great content, John.
The Big and SEC are waiting for FSU and CU to settle with the ACC. You will see how quickly they make a play for these two schools. It's all smoke, and the BigXll is not naive to this lack of interest exhibited by both conferences
Why not take the SEC & B1G at their word? (Not interested in FSU expansion)
@@christopherhooter1937have you not been paying attention for the past 20 years??
@RedMage409 I have been paying attention for over 30 years. Lol ... I remember 1991, and the irresponsible decision to go ACC over SEC .. all this FSU buyers remorse was very predictable
@@christopherhooter1937
Did you not listen to the video?
@@gregoryjasonsmith5732 Yes, and comes across to me as Happy Talk shrouded in liability jargon. Just because one hopes Greg Sankey et al to be lying as some sort of legal cover for the inevitable FSU etc addition - despite public statements to the contrary - doesn't make it so. IMO, Sankey could ride off into the sunset with his geographically sane, rich about to get much richer SEC16, and just be as happy and content as Pete Rozell was after the AFL-NFL merger. LOL
Why would they make a lateral move in money. The Big Xii offers no HUGE financial gain at all; if that's the case stay in the ACC.
A lot of comedians (and politicians) will say "true story" after they've told you something that is not true. The way you can tell when people in sports (mostly fans commenting) are lying is when they say "it's a done deal." I don't think I've ever heard someone say something was a done deal when it really was a done deal.
My uncle was eaten by cannibals. Note a joke!
Great show as always…as a old head die hard FSU fan, alumn, & high-ish level booster I can absolutely assure everyone that there is no world we live in NOW or EVER that involves FSU joining the XII. This isn’t a knock on their conference, I think they have a TON of very exciting teams & I love watching them play…but there is no scenario where going to the XII solves ANY of the current issues FSU is attempting to escape from.
FSU will not be a XII team, ever…this is a talking exercise in theoretics and nothing more
I don't care at all, which conference that FSU is in the future. I'm a die hard fan that is waiting for a National Title and probably will wait for a while longer
Expert? Look, honest questions here [with no malice intended]…Isn’t Rohan a personal local injury, crime, accident and civil rights lawyer and not a business or contract attorney? And, didn’t he graduate from Florida State? People also seem to want to ignore the growing rumors of the SEC supposedly looking more heavily at Kansas and West Virginia down the road. And, the Big 10 taking a closer look at Colorado and Utah. Sure, these are just rumors right now but so is everything else. But theses rumors seem to hold a lot more logical value than either or both FSU or Clemson going to either the SEC or Big10. Again, neither school has the academics to get in to the Big 10 and the SEC doesn’t need more members in areas they already are represented in. As the SEC said, very plainly, there is just no financial reason to add FSU and/or Clemson.
Makes sense I buy it even though I’m a big 12 grad and fan
I respect that. I can’t speak for EVERY FSU or Clemson fan but this isn’t a matter of us not respecting the XII. I for one thinks it’s an AWESOME conference with the most parity from top to bottom and I think that conference happens to play the most exciting style of football. It isn’t “beneath us” or “insulting” to be rumored to the XII…it’s just not financially feasible as it stands right now. The entire reason FSU is fighting to leave revolves around the fact that they’ll be earning less than HALF of what teams like Vanderbilt or Rutgers make EVERY-SINGLE-YEAR starting in 2026. FSU currently bridges the pay gap with boosters & that keeps us at even money with the top dogs TODAY…but we can’t just double our booster income in 2026 & then continue to increase that booster funding by an additional 3% every year for eternity.
Honestly if money wasn’t an issue I for one would love the idea of joining the XII. I recognize that your conference WILL be making more than ours in the coming years (I think y’all officially jump us in 2027? Maybe it’s sooner🤷🏻♂️)…but your conference will still only be paying out about $4M more each year than ours does…and while $4M a year would be life changing for you & me it just doesn’t put a dent in the difference between our conferences earnings and the P2
If the ACC contract extends to '30's, what will BY do? Do we sit still? That's proven to be unhealthy!
We have to go all in on UConn!
Serious consideration for WSU, OSU, SDSU, UNLV, Memphis St, Tulane & USF.
Back to the basketball options. Gonzaga, Creighton, Marquette, Villanova, Seton Hall & St Johns.
All affordable but strong options, go with numbers.
24 team for football.
30 teams with basketball.
3 divisions 😅
Love your show John😊!!!
The Acc sued FSU. Not the other way around. FSU filed a counter suit.
I could be wrong here , fsu sued them in Florida which isn't a counter suit. A counter suit would be if they filed one in NC
Point is the Acc pulled the trigger first. What is Fsu supposed to do? Nothing?
@r.guardia9107 true , kinda like due to Florida laws the acc knew fsu was going to file so they filed first
I might be wrong but I cannot see why FSU or Clemson would go to the Big 12. The money is not necessarily going to be that much more in the short run and the path to the playoffs doesn’t get substantially easier.
Collectively the ACC has some excellent Law and Business schools. I would think if they had a true path out that mindshare would have solved for it already.
Only time will tell though! In the meantime it’s great content for the silly season.
Going to the B12 is a "lateral transfer" for FSU, but that might be worth it just to get out of the ACC GoRs
If ESPN Don't pick up there option i can see somebody like Fox or NBC or CBS offering them deal .
Why pick up the ACC when they already have the Big 10, Big 12 (Fox) and Notre Dame (NBC)? That already gives them more than enough content.
People said the same thing about the Pac before it imploded. The thing is, outside of Clemson and FSU, no one really cares about the rest, with the exception being UNC and Miami.
@@gregoryjasonsmith5732you would be leaving out several pretty big states in the populist east coast.
@@gregoryjasonsmith5732 For one, because ACC basketball is also a valuable commodity- in particular Fox would essentially own college basketball if they add full rights to the ACC sans just FSU/Clemson to their Big Ten/Big 12 rights. Secondly, if only FSU/Clemson leave the ACC still has enough decent brands to make for a solid secondary option for any network
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if Turner doesn't make a run at the ACC rights if ESPN drops them- due to their March Madness deal they almost have to have some kind of basketball commitment
Everything is a lie if FSU and Clemson become available. Those two programs are huge brands.
I always thought this was BS. No way there’s enough money to satisfy Fla. State and Clemson.
At the date ESPN extends it's contract with The ACC, the conference will welcome Notre Dame to head the West division of the ACC ...
NOTRE DAME
FSU
LOUISVILLE
SMU
STANFORD
CAL
GA TECH
PITT
SYRACUSE
Notre Dame will play CLEMSON as it's common opponent from the ACC East Division and will rotate their other East Division games vs
MIAMI
UNC
NC STATE
VA TECH.....
and the rest of the East Division.
ND will have 3 non-con games of their choosing m
I see the Acc sueing FSU this week for another pitiful performance. Embarrassing. and they want to get is a better FB conference???
ESPN and ACC are likely looking for a slightly reworked deal beginning in 2027 and that takes to,e. Again the media deal favors ESPN in current climate so they will not just allow fsu and Clemson to walk and become free agents.
@becks89
The ACC has zero leverage to rework the deal. The way the contract is worded, ESPN can trigger the renewal at already agreed upon rates and the ACC has no veto power.
@@gregoryjasonsmith5732 IMO it’s actually in both ACC and ESPN best interest that deal gets sweetened. Agreed that conference has little leverage but ESPN needs to keep conference members (outside of FSU and Clemson perhaps) happy to avoid multiple schools from looking to leave.
@@becks89
So, you are saying that ESPN will gladly pay more money than they contractually have to pay to an ACC that loses both FSU and Clemson. I can't possibly see what they can by that. They can let the ACC fall apart and keep the middle of the ACC in the ESPN portfolio in the Big 12.
@@gregoryjasonsmith5732 Big 12’s media deal includes both ESPN and Fox (not sure of break down). ESPN has the leverage in this deal but it’s also in their best interest to keep ACC happy. For all I know they could be negotiating FSU’s and Clemson’s eventual exit.
@@gregoryjasonsmith5732As @Becks89 alluded to, the cost to ESPN of losing ACC inventory or associated schools for the B1G may be greater than the benefits of schools realigning to the SEC or XII respectively. It will come back to what is the ACC willing to accept in terms of revenue gap between itself and the SEC/B1G as the XII media rights, while ESPN is technically now as the Primary partner, still shares the Tier1b/2 games with Fox.
Espn doesnt renew contract 2027..FSU and Clemson jump ship. NBC comes in with offer.. 50+ per school.. ACC adds 3 for 2.. pac 2 schools and kansas # 2 kansas , k state and texas tech , or texas am ... ( Oil money) Tv money not as important...#3 fsu and clemson stay.. new contract with espn or NBC.. things go on the next 5-6 years until new media deals
Texas A&M? This is a fantasy scenario.
@@seanevans9329 lol. No
Saturday , August 3rd , no bomb shell , click , click , click
The 15th is the day, not the 3rd.
Having FSU and CU in the B12 gives ESPN and FOX leverage against the BIG and SEC in future negotiations.
No one cares about the big 12.or acc but acc and big 12 fans. I only follow this channel cuz of john kurtz
@@odmel22 The interest would have to be mutual. Although the Big XII is a fine conference full of great teams and people, it is not a P2 anymore than the ACC is. There is virtually zero interest by FSU in a lateral move. Zero.
We want to join the B1G. End of story. You know it, I know it, and so does everyone else in America. Go Noles
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We better off in SEC. More common ground in the SEC for FSU. We don’t want to go play in the BIG 10 when it’s 20 degrees outside up north
When did anyone associated with the B12 Conference office make any public statement about wanting FSU and Clemson?
Never.
It doesn't matter that the SEC, B1G or Big 12 have not said anything positive about Clemson or FSU. The conferences don't want to be involved in future ACC lawsuits. I don't have any idea where Clemson and/or FSU go. I'll be glad when all this realignment is over.
@@KeithR-n3y Then why did conference representatives go on the record and discuss FSU and UNC? This lie needs to stop. If they were scared of lawsuits they'd say "no comment" so there's no story instead of trying to lie in an interview. The Supreme Court is pretty clear that a reporter doesn't have to reveal anonymous sources unless it's a matter of national security. The ACC is not the DOD.
No one ever did.
@KeithR-n3y the SEC and the B10 have made statements about FSU and Clemson situation with the ACC. The B12 has not, and that was my point.
The guest is full of shit.
Doding lawsuites
Bring Clemson to big ten
Realignment all speculation and Bs ,isn't going to make me watch Acc games
Wait it wouldn't be a laterateral move. As of next year the B12 will make more than the ACC, now we can up our media deal with the 4 corner schools. We are already owed a raise, about to probably double the ACC's money. Plus PE. Id say 60 mil 5o 80 mil per school after we add more schools
😂😂…I don’t think an extra $4M a year is the “game changer” you want it to be lol.
FSU already makes more money than any XII team (even after the increase) with their additional revenue streams. They are currently top12 in highest revenue earning programs…the problem is that 80% of their “revenue” comes from alternative streams”, meaning boosters have been making up the difference for the last 15+ years just to keep ‘em competitive…but now that the SEC & B1G teams are about to start receiving nearly DOUBLE what they used to it’s no longer a sustainable or realistic strategy to rely on said “alternative streams”. FSU & Clemson are the ONLY 2 teams in ANY Conference that EARN (generate) almost TWICE as much money as they receive (feel free to google this…it will blow your mind & hopefully allow you to develop a new appreciation for the situation these 2 teams are currently in). When FSU & Clemson complain about subsidizing every team in the conference they aren’t being hyperbolic, those other schools LITERALLY survive entirely off the money those 2 schools give them.
@JohnDry-d7z
You have to factor in the exit costs from the ACC. Twice the pay plus the exit costs leave those schools in roughly the same shape financially for at least a decade. Might as well stay in the ACC until 2036 and then move.
WTF lmfaoooooooo
At best it’s a lateral move. I think the top 5 or 6 teams in the ACC are all better at football than any team in the big12 now that Texas and Oklahoma or gone.
@@user-ed8gb2fq9g I agree, at least in terms of “potential”….all top4 teams in than ACC have a PROVEN POTENTIAL to compete & win at the highest level (National Championships). I will say that imo the XII is THE MOST competitive conference through & through as it stands (while they might not YET have an “elite” National Contending Brand in their midst virtually every team in that conference is capable/talented enough to win the XII…and also I happen to think they play the most exciting style of football, additionally the collection of HCs in their conference is outstanding).
I genuinely like & respect the XII. The fact that it isn’t realistic or advantageous for FSU to consider joining that conference isn’t a reflection on the teams representing it…it’s simply a matter of money. FSU needs to be earning B1G/SEC-level money year over year to continue competing at the highest possible level.
While I would lime to see the ACC remain viable, UNC and Virginia will not accept making second tier conference money. When they depart and I think they will, then who's to say what direction the rest of the ACC schools will head?
Makes a lot of sense. I know Florida St and Clemson have no offers. I do believe that if they get free, one or both P2 conferences will have a spot. The only other 2 teams that have real value are ND and UNC. And that the fact Jack.
The Big Ten wants Notre Dame, who now is willing to join a conference at some point without Stanford.
FSU just got rejected for AAU membership, I don't think the B1G will take them.
The big ten in the past has shown that it isn't always about the aau thing. I believe Nebraska wasn't aau in the beginning but now are. Nebraska was a big brand at the time and the big ten jumped at the opportunity. Same will happen here. Just my take. Getting notre dame and a combination of Stanford, clemson and fsu would definitely put big ten over the sec in terms of all around talent. Dint forget Miami too. That's huge markets for tv rights and NBC already has notre dame so changing the deal wouldn't hurt notre dame at all really .
@@2528drevas Rejected? What a moronic statement. FSU just recently got a medical school so have only been trying for AAU status for 2-3 years. USF, which just got AAU had been trying for FIFTEEN years. FSU didn’t get in this cycle but will next cycle.
And to emphasize your complete lack of knowledge about anything having to do with college football, you make the statement that ND is ready to join the B1G. ND just recently signed a lucrative contract with NBC that runs through 2030.
@@2528drevas
They didn't get rejected. It was more like a revise and resubmit. The AAU gave FSU a small list of things to improve. Mainly, replacing their president and filling several vacant roles.
FSU sucked for past 10 years. One good year and their snobs again. My son turned down 30k in scholarships from FSU and chose to attend UF.
@@DiO-fy5ex I am so grateful that your son didn’t go to FSU. Good choice, dad. BTW, FSU went 10-3 in 2022 and 13-1 in 2023 and will win 10 this year and next and next. Mike Norvell won 10 games with a 40% BCR and 13 with a 45% BCR. The 2025 recruiting class is 90% BCR. They ain’t going anywhere but up. Meanwhile, Sunbelt Billy is hoping to not get 4-8 this year. UF’s O/U is 5.5.
Too much talking going on, period.
UNC and Duke boosters say Florida state is the one the big10 and sec wants over Clemson outside of just football.
Talking about Ireland, are you going to be there next year for Farmageddon?
Kurtz's face when this guy bluntly says the Big 12 *could* take the ACC's spot as the 3rd best conference and that FSU will never join the Big 12.
Clemson is a better partner for the B12 than the FSU seaman holes crybabies.
FSU=Texas longhorns jr.
Big 12 is already the 3rd best conference. ACC is doomed to fall apart.
I thought Kurtz was about to cry!
@@naujelbr The Acc was Never 3rd with ATM, Neb, Mizz, Co,l TX, and OU the B12 was better, and still is.
ACC working on pulling 6 Big12 teams over. The next super conference
stopped listening when the guy said "the Big 12 wants to take the acc's spot as the No. 3 conference". FLState got left out of the playoffs because they're in the 4th best conference.
@@user-qh5rm4hi4k You are saying that if FSU went 13-0 and were Big XII champions, they would have gone to the playoffs? The playoffs have to have an SEC team in it and it was Saban’s farewell party. But none of that would have mattered if they were in the Big XII? Whatever slim grip you may have had with reality seems to have slipped away.
@505premoto FLState would have been in the playoffs (like tcu last yr) if the 'noles had been in the B12. Obviously a major reason the 'noles want out!
@@user-qh5rm4hi4k I presume you are joking. The ESPN College Football Invitational Tournament and SEC Showcase has NEVER had a tournament without an SEC team. NEVER. And it was Nick Saban’s farewell party. You are delusional if you think that ESPN would have skipped over Alabama for FSU if they were in the Big XII. And even more delusional if you think that the Big XII is higher rated than the ACC. Both FSU and Clemson have won national championships recently. And that is exactly why the Big XII is slobbering over getting them.
@@505premoto No, the B12 is not slobbering to have them join - they want out!
Fsu and clemson go to the Sec smh
Is the SEC the NFC or ACC?
what could the dollar sign discussion be if the do join the big12 how much more TV money do you think they could get. landing those 2
ND is not joining the ACC in football
@@christopherhooter1937 Nor the B1G. They recently signed a lucrative contract with NBC that runs through 2030. They aren’t going anywhere.
Why do u consider this clown an expert on anything that is not related to the court case. He’s a FSU alumni lawyer, nothing more. And nothing he said was related to the law., just rose colored opinions.
Okay. I usually love me some Doug Rohan, but he has a fan boy attitude in this interview. A big reason he uses to prove that Florida State would not come is actually one of the main reasons why they could. The thought that moving to the Big 12 is a lateral move is very short sighted. The Big 12 is only behind the ACC by about $.5 million right now. If Florida State and Clemson came to the Big 12, the Big 12 would immediately restructure their TV deal and would be way ahead of the ACC even if their TV deal does not change, which is unlikely without them in the conference. But that is only part of it. The Big 12 already has 2 teams that have participated in the CFP. If Florida State and Clemson came to the Big 12, that would give the Big 12 4 teams that have participated in the CFP with the ACC having none. That would significantly increase the Big 12’s CFP dollars, too, and decrease the ACC’s. Just an educated guess, but seems reasonable.
@John Kurtz "Big 12 further implode"? TF is Doug smoking?
Makes perfect sense. Follow the money! Money, money, money, money!
ACC don’t want to lose them either and maybe they are using the ESPN contract to keep them.
Oh I disagree. The ACC FSU relationship is beyond broken. Each needs to go on their seperate ways
ESPN will need to keep ACC and B12 alive in order to,fill their schedules…slots…..and to keep from being sued. …as they
Rearrange their schedules to the advantage of the SEC/B10…for the top games and playoffs. And the B12/ACC will continue to kiss their asses and take whatever they can get ! With the AAC as the conference designed to get the Power 2 some wins before the real season. FSU…has the only argument to upgrade…but nobody wants their BS. Once they get set…it will settle down. B12 will need to settle with a few decent programs … but ACC will have enough to stay put ….but be weaker with FSU gone…Clemson overplayed their cards..and stays put! B12…settles for the P2 with a little bit of that P12 settlement money…paid upfront! However….the B10 has 1 slot….Notre Dame and North Carolina are their top targets! Sec can just wait…rack in the dough…adjust to UT/OU and wait for the best time to strike….but no one is really needed to upgrade their conference….especially if the B10/SEC get 6 slots min. in the playoffs…why add?? ACC can’t do anything unless ESPN renegotiate/extends….which makes no sense at this time….they have you locked in ! And you have no added value with the 3 schools added. …ex…FSU vs anyone is better than anything you got!
The longer this gets strung out…the more it stays the same !!
I have been saying to Greg Flugars channel that if circumstances worked out a certain way I could see FSU and Clemson in the BIG12. And yes, it revolves around money.
Not happening
Agree. FSU and ACC really need to part ways. The situation is unsustainable. FSU to B12 even as a "lateral move" makes lots of sense to me
@@christopherhooter1937 To you but not to them. There is zero interest by FSU in a lateral move.
@505premoto if after all the "sound & fury", for FSU to just stay in ACC ... lol ... that's priceless.
@@christopherhooter1937 In what way? If they agreed to stay for two years and exit that would free them up for the’27 season to move. And in a decade, everyone would have forgotten. The fact that you can’t understand that is your problem, not theirs.
Although I think FSU and Clemson probably deserve to be in the Big 10 or SEC, I'm not so sure the Big 10 and SEC need them enough right now to give them an invite and possibly dilute shares. The CFB bubble will burst at some time, and there is only so much money to go around, and FSU and Clemson may have been caught on the outside looking in.
Both are going to the sec.
Good grief,
Let this come to an end.
That's the end of it, the rest is lies.
SEC isn't going to add a sue happy school that causes trouble.
If you are referring to FSU well GREAT because we don't want the SEspnC. And the fact that you obviously think that FSU just woke up one morning and deceided "Oh we have nothing else going on...lets sue the conference". If you really believe that then your ignorance is showing. Do you really not think that they did not try to work this out? The ACC will not tell them what is owed or show proof as to why. The results of such a drastic action could be catastrophic if it goes again them. Really Wumpus, Really?
Yes FSU is a problem child.
Good one. You say that like you have some personal vested stake in the SECs best interest, meanwhile FSU has done nothing to be problematic, except ask to make the extra 30 million SEC and Big10 schools are getting. FSU is making less money than Vandy. Think about that for a second.
@@bradenm3 it's the way they are going about it. The presidents in these two conferences have referred to FSU as a bad partner. One going another way to saying that whoever is giving FSU advice is doing them a disservice. The SEC doesn't need FSU or Clemson. They have those markets. It would only be added as a defensive move to prevent the BIG from acquiring them. They also do not have AAU status and until they do the BIG won't add them. If they do get that maybe they would included with ND If they change their mind on Independence and that would put the conference at 20 schools and they would probably shut things down after that.
Except the ACC sued FSU first, lol.
1) This lawyer/FSU alum sounds a lot like so many Utah fans not long ago. And we all know how that turned out.
2) Mr. FSU's contention that the Big XII is willing to expose themselves to tortious interference claims because the Big XII knows that FSU would never come to the Big XII so they would not be held liable, and is further exposing themselves for some sort of Bill Veeck-esque self-promotion reason is doubly ludicrous.
3) Mr. FSU's contention that MORE people will actually watch FSU and Clemson football games because they are in the news due to their court battles with their ACC Conference overlords is questionable. FSU and Clemson fans will watch the games as will the fans of their opponents. Most other decent people will not be sucked in just because of legal proceedings. This isn't like Donald Trump getting arraigned.
Mr. Kurtz, don't invite this guy back on your show.
Leaving ACC to go to BIg 12 is NOT a lateral move. Hate to brake it to Mr. Rohan.
The reality is the upper 1/3rd of the ACC brings 90% of the media value where as all the value (nearly equal the ACC) is spread across all 16 Big XII schools and its national reach.
These FSU homers coming on and talking down on the Big 12 on this channel is honestly so hilarious in putting people in their place
I'm a B1G fan and I can't watch it. I'm praying we pass on FSU.
@@heartbreak25FSU=Texas Longhorns jr. Problem children.
They won’t leave for the big 12. I think they will get AAU accreditation and get in the B1G.. the research money is what FSU wants. It’s about more than just football.
@@JohnDry-d7z Exactly. Right now I can count 8 B1G schools who have every reason to be no votes today. FSU can't lose more than 5 to get accepted.
You know why, because much like their lack of a playoff spot, FSU thinks they can bully their way into the B1G or SEC. Neither are AAU, which IS important I don't care what this idiot John Kurtz or that half wit Josh Pate says, because the B1G, if they were to expand would want North Carolina and Virginia. FSU swears they are they pretty girl at the prom that everyone wants to dance with. The B1G is not giving invitations to Clemson or FSU, just because FSU is the best of a bad bunch. Fsu fans swear that all they have to do is get out of their grant of rights that their dumb asses signed, not once, but twice, and the B1G is just going to invite them with open arms.
Teams have changed conferences twice in the last 2 years. If the B1G wanted them why didn't they invite them? FSU and their fans are clueless if they think the B1G or the SEC is just going renegotiate their grant of rights just to get them in.
I’m really tired of all the speculation. Let’s play ball and let me know when it’s all over!
Until Pete thamel reports, believe nothing!
Doug doesn’t know. Who knows , a select few decision makers. He’s a lawyer. ?!?Obvious he thinks Big12 is an inferior group. Did say they would go for 80 million And that I believe, But did you notice how nervous he got at that prospect ? He absolutely does not want the Big 12 . It would break his heart.
You sound like my grandma with nerves & heartbroken🤡
@@marycrockerrohe2371 🤡My comment is based on what I saw . He is very biased against the Big 12. But he will take the money ?Did you even watch the video?🤪🤡 Nothing but facts . Are you his Momma? Hmmm?
@@mikecaprock9684 yes! Only your comments were girly🧚♂️
😂😂😂bruh you need to get a grip lol. I know Doug personally, he has plenty of legitimate concerns in his life…where FSU plays football isn’t one of ‘em lol
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He seems heavily invested to me going on these podcasts with his pro FSU rhetoric. He has no clue what’s really going on and just bull charges head on with a bias view that has 0 substance
It's a smoke screen while Phillips works with ESPN to see what X12 teams add value. Then he'll take it back to FSU and clemson to negotiate😂
😂😂😂…I’m cool with that lol
Why would the Big XII teams go to the ACC? Unless it’s Utah and Arizona State, everyone else is happy.
This lawyer is full of theories and no facts. ESPN don't base the acc on fs and Clemson. ESPN makes money showing football games. Whether it's the mac, aac, sunbelt or the costal, ESPN need games to show to make money.
They make money based on how many people watch football games. FSU and Clemson combined get more eyeballs than the rest combined..
Exactly. Disney is a publicly traded company and they want to get a return for their shareholders. Period.
@@tallyrc ESPN has rights with the ACC and Big 12. Why would they lose money with FSU and Clemson staying there or going there and paying less to broadcast them?
@@heartbreak25 no matter where FSU goes they are getting paid more than what they are earning now. And if the go to the big10 they are going to FOX.
No they need to sell advertising and have enough demand that the cable companies feel like they NEED to carry the ACC network.
Televising bad games and paying billions to do it does not make money
So why is it the SEC saying we don't want FSU and Clemson a cover up, but they have said they want NC and Virginia?
When has the SEC specifically come out and said they want UNC and UVA?
@@jansonroberts2616 Sankey talked about it during the SEC media days. He said they would be interested if NC and Virginia weren't in a conference.
Exactly. It's not a cover... the SEC doesn't want FSU & CU
@@christopherhooter1937 Exactly. They want UNC and UVA. The word coming out of the SEC is that they are losing interest in college football and financially additive programs and now want to shift their emphasis to other sports and no longer caring about financial matters. It’s a new day for the SEC.
This guy is delusional FSU fan. It's not a misinformation campaign from B10 stand point. The B10 has never had interest in FSU, they have wanted UVA and UNC as top choices forever, followed by Gtech and Miami. FSU is mot AAU and has tried forever. They got a slap in the face when USF got in, last round. FSU is not a cultural fit either, they are in the part of the state that is like Allabama/Mississippi, not the Central and South Florida part. If B10 wanted the Florida market they would let the implosion of the ACC occur and take Miami, which is AAU, an actual cultural fit, etc.. From the SEC stand point, they already have the Florida market. Clemson has the same dynamics for B10, Clemson is actually worse because SC is not a desirable market. Clemson adds nothing to SEC as they already have a school in that state. Said it 10 months ago, Clemson and FSU are going to end up paying 100s of millions to make an essentially lateral move..the B12
Big 12 is better than the acc already.
Nobody wants them.
EDIT: Not even the ACC.
They need to just shut up and play.
I disagree with your analogy, Florida State guy
Hahaha. “It’s all a misinformation campaign and I can prove it to you” and then he follows up with pure conjecture and zero proof. That alone removes any credibility this guy might have had. 😂
So needing to avoid "tortious interference" isn't enough evidence to have "high confidence" in an opinion? Make a better argument. All ears.
@@edjrenaline I don’t think you fully understand what evidence (or proof) means. He offered up a possible reason. Literally zero proof or evidence. None at all.
@@edjrenaline there’s plenty of other reasons. They truly aren’t interested. They know it’s a moot point because Clemson and FSU media rights belong to the ACC until 2036. They don’t like the school colors. Whatever. He said he could “prove” it and then went on to prove absolutely nothing. 🤷♂️
@@pjtarheel what did you expect? To see signed documents? Lol.. It's logic and legal reasoning. To think that SEC and BIG10 have ZERO interest in FSU and Clemson and that the BIG12 can freely commit tortious interference and have high hopes for them makes no sense.
@@edjrenalineWhy would these same anonymous sources discuss UNC? If they wanted to avoid legal problems why not say no comment when a reporter calls?
But again I feel the need to remind you that the ACC owns FSU and Clemson media rights until 2036. They aren’t going anywhere anytime soon. 🤷♂️
…and again I feel the need to remind YOU that it’s already been proven the GOR contract ends in 2027…sooo you’re wrong🤷🏻♂️😂
@@seminoldschool7032 😂 2027 is the date that espn has the option to extend their contract with the ACC. That has zero to do with the GoR, which goes to 2036.
I swear - I’m fascinated by where some of you get your “information”.
@@pjtarheel …🤦🏻♂️you probably should’ve read yesterdays report (or watched, literally, any CFB news outlet) before coming on her to comment😬😂
@@pjtarheel …you SERIOUSLY should read the latest reports before doubling down on this thread lol
@@seminoldschool7032 sure - link me to this “report” that states the GoR ends in 2027. I’m fascinated to see it 😊
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