The beautifully precise slashes and transitions from low to high with the naginata were particularly impressive, i learned a few things just from watching this!
Kajiyama Takeko sensei, the woman at the left side was born as a daughter of Ichige Ryohei, the master of Kendo at Kodo gi kai in Harajuku. Ichige was a nephew of Naito Takaharu, the legend of Hokushin-Itto-ryu and Kendo. Naito was the chief master of Kendo at Busen in Kyoto in the early 20th century. Her family was a liege for Mito Tokugawa domain. She was one of the Samurai daughters who was alive. She was dignified and compassionate in teaching Naginata for any disciples. She disliked a person who judge others by their positions/Ranks. Her “Ki/Qi” was very strong when she demonstrate “Kata”. That represented the core of Jikishinkage-ryu Naginata-jutsu. She passed away in December 2018 a couple of weeks after she demonstrated her last “Kata” at All Japan Naginata Championsip.
Wow! This is incredible..I am just finding out about this and it is so beautiful to watch. And the fact that these two ladies look like they are in there late 50's, I raise my hands to them. I would not want to meet either of them in a dark alley...no sir! They make it look so easy.....A true work of art. Thank you for posting. x
Actually, I'd rather run into them in a dark alley, because they are honorable warriors who would protect the weak. I'll feel a lot safer knowing they are in that alley. The only reason why you should fear them is if you did something unjust, otherwise, look forward to seeing them :p
"to parry" means to deflect an incoming attack. And this is possible. Blocking in other hand is stopping an incoming attack, and as you pointed, it requires superior strength if the attack is executed with heavier weapon.
That scene is really messy in the video, but I understand what you are saying. I will probably try it the next time I can. Not sure how it will work out, since the biggest issue with naginata is that I get my legs cut off after an attack to the head (simple double attack by naginata) or end up impaled.
You say you can fight naginata users and win. This intrigues me. Are you a kendoka or a koryu student? Either way, can you explain to me how you can get into close range? If you can show me videos of it that would be great as well. I learned some katas with naginata, but I found that in sparring the advantage of it is just too great. You'd have to be a far better fighter to defeat a naginata with a sword.
@alopex1197 I practice the German longsword, a style that has a dozen clearly written manuals from times when the sword was the dominant weapon on the battlefield (figuratively speaking, since a polearm would have been the first choice before it), as opposed to having been constantly worn away over the centuries by edicts and decrees against such things. Do you really think that what is taught now in Japanese styles is exactly what was taught when being good with your sword could...
Vyz3r You're ALL wrong(Totally responding eight months later) This is NOT Kendo OR Kenjutsu. Kenjutsu is the art of the sword, specifically, and Kendo is a combat and sparring art, much faster and with armor. This is Jikishinkage Naginatajutsu. Easy mistakes to make though, if you dont actively train or immerse yourself in this stuff. No reason for anyone to have been heated. X)
@ChishioAme Bugei Ryuha Daijiten lists more than 100 koryu... sure you have seen them all? And if you don't like Japanese styles... what weapon styles do you like? The japanese koryu are the only one that can trace the techniques back to the battle field afaik - much has been lost but not if you compare with traditions outside Japan that are mostly modern inventions/interpretations or circus arts...
its actually the oppisite the katana requires much more training to use properly. the swordisnotwhat many people think it is not just swinging like a machete, chopping and slashing are night and day difference. naginata is a slash weapon too but it kinda does it passively while the user must control the cut with a katana otherwise u will damage the blade just but swinging through the air.
@ChishioAme I thought as much. Unlike koryu the old European art of fencing is dead. We have some surviving European fencing manuals but they are just notes that are supposed to be a complement to the now lost actual training. There are a lot of dead koryu in Japan as well (indeed most of them are) - if you think you can reconstruct them from the densho (written text) alone without kuden (transfered experience) you simply don't know enough about koryu or armed martial arts.
Hahah not meaning to but in too easily, but if you simply post a small demo of the techniques you use, I'm sure the action speaks louder than some text in some comment hahah. I'm not debasing anyone, I'm simply interested in the variety of combat styles ^_^
Most martial arts certainly... but it is a bit different with armed martial arts. Sparring with mock up weapons is not the same as facing lethal weapons. In a real duel you must be sure that the hit will neutralize the opponent before he can hit you in turn. Hitting a random spot in a mock up fight is not the same thing as hitting and actually cutting an artery in a real body.
??? Having a weapon is a huge advantage. Someone wielding a naginata even with no training would still be a threat to a world class MMA fighter. Unlike common belief, it's not easy to overcome the range difference.
@alopex1197 Practice weapon of choice). And, if someone says "hey, wouldn't this interpretation be easier and make more sense?", masters of the style actually listen and consider it, whereas with Japanese weapon arts, you just get shut down; it's either their way or the highway (I know this for a fact, because a close friend of mine quit training after 2 years because of this).
@alopex1197 Mean the difference between life and death? And how? No, it wasn't. When a few extra minutes of training can bridge that gap, you don't waste time piddle-farting around; you train. At least, that's what should be done and if that's not what was done then I've lost even more respect for Japanese weapon arts. The longsword is constantly practiced with intent, full speed, and generally full power (can't always perform the latter on account of steel blunts being the preferred
Not bad... Now let's see you do something with intent. Main reason I'm sick of Japanese styles (despite really liking the weapons) is there's no intent; it's like watching a boned fish flop around. Koryu place far too much emphasis on ritual and things end up like this where it's pattern after pattern. It's annoying as hell for someone with an interest trying to get a feel for the style.
OLD LADIES!!!??? LOL Why would you just stand there if you successfully disarmed your opponent. I would have put that katana right into my opponent's head!!!
The women with naginata were part of the last line of defense when a castle was breached.
The naginata is such a beautiful weapon.
The beautifully precise slashes and transitions from low to high with the naginata were particularly impressive, i learned a few things just from watching this!
me too^^
Those are some badass old ladies.
A great pleasure to watch . . . and to learn.
Kajiyama Takeko sensei, the woman at the left side was born as a daughter of Ichige Ryohei, the master of Kendo at Kodo gi kai in Harajuku. Ichige was a nephew of Naito Takaharu, the legend of Hokushin-Itto-ryu and Kendo. Naito was the chief master of Kendo at Busen in Kyoto in the early 20th century. Her family was a liege for Mito Tokugawa domain. She was one of the Samurai daughters who was alive.
She was dignified and compassionate in teaching Naginata for any disciples. She disliked a person who judge others by their positions/Ranks.
Her “Ki/Qi” was very strong when she demonstrate “Kata”. That represented the core of Jikishinkage-ryu Naginata-jutsu. She passed away in December 2018 a couple of weeks after she demonstrated her last “Kata” at All Japan Naginata Championsip.
perfect demonstration
I love the combination at 1:07!
fucking badass. the naginata is so beautiful, i love the arch of such a long weapon
Thanks for sharing this with us.
Looking up some inspiration for motion study here. I really appreciate their form of movement. Thanks for uploading.
Wow! This is incredible..I am just finding out about this and it is so beautiful to watch. And the fact that these two ladies look like they are in there late 50's, I raise my hands to them. I would not want to meet either of them in a dark alley...no sir! They make it look so easy.....A true work of art. Thank you for posting. x
Bushido Blade, Naginata v. Katana, Bamboo Thicket. That's real stuff, right there.
I thought this was two men and i couldnt figure out why they sounded like that until the red head turned around and i saw they were old ladies!
a couple ol' grannieZ kickin' ass!
superbe :)
quelle noblesse et grâce dans leur kata
I always use a broom thinking that I'm wielding a naginata.
With technique comes speed with speed comes power.
beautiful art
So smooth !
thanks a lot!
an awesome battle of two elder Japanese women fighting with kendo weapons
Actually, I'd rather run into them in a dark alley, because they are honorable warriors who would protect the weak. I'll feel a lot safer knowing they are in that alley.
The only reason why you should fear them is if you did something unjust, otherwise, look forward to seeing them :p
Formidable
"to parry" means to deflect an incoming attack. And this is possible. Blocking in other hand is stopping an incoming attack, and as you pointed, it requires superior strength if the attack is executed with heavier weapon.
What anime is this?
That scene is really messy in the video, but I understand what you are saying. I will probably try it the next time I can. Not sure how it will work out, since the biggest issue with naginata is that I get my legs cut off after an attack to the head (simple double attack by naginata) or end up impaled.
That aim... wow
runnnn grandma is mad
this grandma doesn't need a chancla ...
You say you can fight naginata users and win. This intrigues me. Are you a kendoka or a koryu student?
Either way, can you explain to me how you can get into close range? If you can show me videos of it that would be great as well.
I learned some katas with naginata, but I found that in sparring the advantage of it is just too great. You'd have to be a far better fighter to defeat a naginata with a sword.
You're right, a lot of people seem to have this nonsensical idea that it's easy to slip past a polearm.
@alopex1197 I practice the German longsword, a style that has a dozen clearly written manuals from times when the sword was the dominant weapon on the battlefield (figuratively speaking, since a polearm would have been the first choice before it), as opposed to having been constantly worn away over the centuries by edicts and decrees against such things. Do you really think that what is taught now in Japanese styles is exactly what was taught when being good with your sword could...
Amazing. I want to try kendo now...
What the--!? Why did I say kendo? I was probably drunk when I said that...
Bobthe Heretic
Sure, pal. Whatever you say.
*pats Bobthe Heretic's head*
Bobthe Heretic
Trying to help? How? You didn't do a thing to help, except mock me.
Vyz3r You're ALL wrong(Totally responding eight months later)
This is NOT Kendo OR Kenjutsu. Kenjutsu is the art of the sword, specifically, and Kendo is a combat and sparring art, much faster and with armor.
This is Jikishinkage Naginatajutsu.
Easy mistakes to make though, if you dont actively train or immerse yourself in this stuff. No reason for anyone to have been heated. X)
cool
look like red hair grandma always bullying black hair grandma in dojo
$20 redhead obaachan is from Osaka lol
Très bon.
dang I wouldnt want to get caught in her garden
@mmacconn069 I like naginatajutsu. I'm going to learn some.
@ChishioAme Bugei Ryuha Daijiten lists more than 100 koryu... sure you have seen them all? And if you don't like Japanese styles... what weapon styles do you like? The japanese koryu are the only one that can trace the techniques back to the battle field afaik - much has been lost but not if you compare with traditions outside Japan that are mostly modern inventions/interpretations or circus arts...
Oh, wow, they're ladies.
自分も直心影流薙刀をやってるけど、ここまで…いやこれ以上の腕前になれるよう、これからも稽古していこう(`０ω０)
its actually the oppisite the katana requires much more training to use properly. the swordisnotwhat many people think it is not just swinging like a machete, chopping and slashing are night and day difference. naginata is a slash weapon too but it kinda does it passively while the user must control the cut with a katana otherwise u will damage the blade just but swinging through the air.
@ChishioAme I thought as much. Unlike koryu the old European art of fencing is dead. We have some surviving European fencing manuals but they are just notes that are supposed to be a complement to the now lost actual training. There are a lot of dead koryu in Japan as well (indeed most of them are) - if you think you can reconstruct them from the densho (written text) alone without kuden (transfered experience) you simply don't know enough about koryu or armed martial arts.
You just don't know how naginata works.
Naginata is effective at both long and short range.
And ngnt is the mightiest japanese weapon at short range.
do shita no itsumo no obasan to ijesan dakie do?
Kings Dark Tidings.
omfg ,dat Kiai !
Hahah not meaning to but in too easily, but if you simply post a small demo of the techniques you use, I'm sure the action speaks louder than some text in some comment hahah. I'm not debasing anyone, I'm simply interested in the variety of combat styles ^_^
So how do you cut an opponent without being cut yourself? Just hitting isn't enough...
Most martial arts certainly... but it is a bit different with armed martial arts. Sparring with mock up weapons is not the same as facing lethal weapons. In a real duel you must be sure that the hit will neutralize the opponent before he can hit you in turn. Hitting a random spot in a mock up fight is not the same thing as hitting and actually cutting an artery in a real body.
old-juitsu ?
anyone can bring this art to malaysia, thks
5:00 sorry for party rocking yeay
Wow, noone came here to tell people naginata wouldnt last in MMA and we should watch bas rutten eating a banana. :) I love the naginata
??? Having a weapon is a huge advantage. Someone wielding a naginata even with no training would still be a threat to a world class MMA fighter. Unlike common belief, it's not easy to overcome the range difference.
grandma?
turningwaistrightleftuponadvancingretreating:hipsfacingstraightlyhasneitheraggression.
4:04strayanalysis.
@2:47
when your wife can beat the crap out of you..
I have the wrong aunt
@alopex1197 Practice weapon of choice). And, if someone says "hey, wouldn't this interpretation be easier and make more sense?", masters of the style actually listen and consider it, whereas with Japanese weapon arts, you just get shut down; it's either their way or the highway (I know this for a fact, because a close friend of mine quit training after 2 years because of this).
LOL
Meh. Would it be ageist to say pretty good for some old people?
Some of these movements require a lot of practice and execution so you kind of seem like a dumb dumb
鎖鎌に興味があるね。
@alopex1197 Mean the difference between life and death? And how? No, it wasn't. When a few extra minutes of training can bridge that gap, you don't waste time piddle-farting around; you train. At least, that's what should be done and if that's not what was done then I've lost even more respect for Japanese weapon arts. The longsword is constantly practiced with intent, full speed, and generally full power (can't always perform the latter on account of steel blunts being the preferred
Not bad... Now let's see you do something with intent. Main reason I'm sick of Japanese styles (despite really liking the weapons) is there's no intent; it's like watching a boned fish flop around. Koryu place far too much emphasis on ritual and things end up like this where it's pattern after pattern. It's annoying as hell for someone with an interest trying to get a feel for the style.
OLD LADIES!!!??? LOL Why would you just stand there if you successfully disarmed your opponent. I would have put that katana right into my opponent's head!!!
i hate this demonstrations! i wanna see a real fight with traning weapong of a real master
Dog that feint at 2:12 so so killer
Conner K Ward Something tells me that you might be a Nobushi main