Very good video man. Your attention to detail and giving quick but good descriptions about everything was perfect. You told us what patch you're assuming, that you're combining all seasons, and you gave really good reasons for each placement. This is by far one of the best put together tier lists ive ever seen, not even factoring in the actual placements. The placements however, I would agree with almost 100%. Super great job!
Hehehehe, Prot pally in C tier... I love that you along with most of the player base actually believes that. And it’s why I’ll hit 2200+ with ease using it, as in MUCH more ease and far less skill needed than if I used ret XD.
@@mig4560 LOL. Ok. looking forward to dunking you in arena then. You have the same attitude that everyone else I met in the 2200+ bracket... which is 50% of why they lost to us consistently rofl.
Hands down best vid on pvp specs on youtube. Your goal was to make a tier list vid, but I've found something I've been searching for a long time - brief highlight of crucial abilities of each class, little nuances, what to be aware of playing against them, etc. Since you can't really roll all specs to study them, video like this is just a hidden gem. Great job
Im simply impressed about how many answers you gave to the comments. Big work at making the video and helping the community. Thank you so much for the video!
warlock is a lot better than he gives credit for. Also, much more fun to play than in TBC imho, but I'll nonetheless skip classic wrath. No WoW for me anymore :D
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Kamper got rank 1 playing survival hunter back in s8 with a destroys warlock and holy paladin :). Ofc game evolved alot more on privatservers later on.
Lightning Overload does half damage on the extra spell not 100%, also the combo isnt lava burst+chain in one global, since the travel time+cast time it will allow you to do Lava+Chain+Fshock all hitting in the same time
First tier list thats actually good. Only thing i can see is underrating destro warlocks as they together with elemental shamans are absolutely insane. In a vacum though not very good, so it depends. Preg also plays good with hunter in 2s
25:20 good Starfall tip on the line of sight - I didn't play balance back then, so it's interesting to see something following the same mindset as Convoke way back then
Not sure how correct that info is. Maybe the pillars in arena act differently but testing it out on Blackrock and having only the left dummy in the dummy training area in my LoS while still being in range with the other dummies, I'm only getting 10 stars. It makes sense because Starfall only ticks every 1 second, lasts 10 seconds, and can only fire off 20 stars in total. If you want to fire off all 20 stars you NEED to be in LoS with a second person to hit them with the extra star every second while Starfall is ticking down. You -can- still do this trick to limit your Starfall to the two people you want to hit with it by LoSing the 3rd person in, for example, 3v3. But other than that, a person can only be hit once with a direct star attack. The splash hit on the other hand is different. Those can hit multiple targets if they stand on-top of each other.
Because i play spriest i noticed 2 things. Dev plague and v touch can crit when in shadowform and Fade removes movement impairing effects and decrease the pushback of spellcasts aswell.
There are several more as well! Flame Shock for all Shamans (no talent needed) Shadowform for Shadow Priests Pandemic for Affliction Locks T9 2pc set for Moonfire for Balance Druids T10 4pc set for Rake for Feral Druids The set bonus ones are probably not used in PvP, but they do exist!
Great video, getting back into WoW pretty late but PvP is my favorite part of the game. Nice to have a detailed breakdown like this, really helps refresh my interest in the game. You deserve more subs!!
I remember using a crab on my hunter but I swear by the end of it it seem like Spider was more common/useful. That being said most people probably weren't able to intervene blind reliably back then.
@@MassDonfel I think crab pin is a channel though right? As in melee can interrupt it? Maybe not anymore. Am I just imagining it? I swear at one point it was a channel.
I just heard the line about tricks of the trade, if I may, there is no boost in damage for the rogue, only for the target. Thank you for the video its really cool
I appreciate the effort and how in depth you went with the video. However, I would like to add that one of the top 3 comps in wotlk on 3.3.5 is LSP (aff/ele/hpal), and it was not mentioned. Some of the most successful comps on that patch include LSP (aff/ele/hpal) and WLP(aff/warr/hpal). So I would strongly believe aff goes into s or maybe s+, but I would probably argue S. I will also like to say that destro will be played mostly as LSP(ele/detsro/hpal), not LSD. Especially when wotlk classic starts, druids will be underperforming compared to hpal. Even when it is s8 gear, hpal is used MUCH more than rdruid, but this point is exaggerated in s5/s6 gear. I dont think there is a world where destro would be the same tier as fire mage.
LSP is absolutely insane and I’m not sure why I didn’t reference it tbh. I needed more tiers because I would’ve put destro in the bottom of A but I just think it looks dumb if I put half the classes in one tier. Destro/boomkin/fire mage shouldn’t be in the same tier as a frost DK.
@@lhiragaz destro is certainly better than those 3, I put it at the top for that reason but really I should've had like A+ and A and destro would've been A.
I remember carrying my PvE guildies to 1600 rating as a resto shaman, and they were full pve geared UH DK with shadowmourne and arms wariror with some pve pieces and shodwmourne, shit was hilarious we either blew up somebody during bloodlust or lost badly.
And for the same reason as my last comment, alliance RLS is very strong. You mentioned rogues pair well with destro, because of setup / control. RLS takes it to the next level of burst and cleans.
Like and subscribed, this video diserves it. I'd add a note of double assas, human rogues. The double burst trinket procs with double CB cs evis is pretty nutty against any non plate wearers
shadow priest went from 1 defensive cooldown to 4. aoe fear, fade, single target fear/disarm and dispersion. and on top of that their dots can crit now xd also he put demonic warlock in D tier... that class he the msot survival out of all warlocks spec... good luck when u face warlock and shadow priest in 2v2
Technically Fury warriors do have a form of mortal strike. They have a talent called "Furious Strikes", which makes all melee attacks have a chance to reduce healing by 25%, stacking 2 times. They still don't have unrelenting assault though, so they are definetly not as good as arms!
@@wh0racle3 I may do it eventually but not yet. Also that becomes extremely hard because certain comps are godly in S5 and very lackluster in S8 and vice versa.
Exceptional video! Would be cool to get a video on best races for each class or just a tier list of them. (Humans obviously bis but on horde at least the choice isn't as easy.)
I don't think I'm doing a race tier list, there just isn't too much to say. Only racials that are strong is human bis obv, then wotf undead, orc stuns, night elf meld other than that the stuff is so minor. Also racials don't play as much of a factor in wotlk as they do in TBC since they are all so nerfed. Play whatever you think is the coolest most enjoyable IMO.
Honestly even though some kids are giving you a hard time, this is a REALLY comprehensive tierlist and would be a massive undertaking to create. Kudos. Now I just need to figure out whether to play destro warlock or fire mage.. Will probably mainly be BG crawling with a side of arena.
Nice! Definitely level the shadow priest first, pregs are very bad season 5 and 6 since they rely so heavily on gear. Later on in wrath they are very good though! Especially season 8 after ICC is out
in the first 1-2 seasons of wotlk ele shaman, DEMO lock, heal is absolutely insane... the meta soulfire hits so hard due to low resilience it easily oneshots rooted players... so dont underestimate them
@@Earpugs I'm om the fence between Feral, Disc or Holy Pal. Might play two of those. Holy Pal I know would just straight up go with warrior. The others are a bit trickier
@@josephjoestar4318 both are very strong so I would play whichever you think is the coolest and most fun. That alone is worth picking a class for. Picking a class around meta usually ends up with quitting the game.
@@Earpugs that's true, equally, not having decent team mates might make me quit. Trying to pre plan a dun 2s comp around my more skilled friends. They remove most of the benefits from 2s don't they, starting in wotlk? Even so I find 2s more fun than 3s
If I am not mistaken Warriors get Bladestorm in WOTLK and Heroic Leap in Cata. also, Dwarfs might be the next best race in WOTLK, since Stoneform is a huge counter to Death Knights. and every racial ability is getting nerfed but Orc Blood Fury is getting buffed in WOTLK O.o (2008-10-14): No longer reduces healing received while active. they literally removed best defensive racial spell in the game (WoW TBC) called Ellune's Grace from Night Elf Priess :/ "Reduces the chance you'll be hit by melee and ranged attacks by 20% for 15 sec." RIP
Deadly throw as a spell doesnt interrupt in TBC, it's a bonus on the arena gloves that makes it interrupt, so the spell isn't changed in wrath in regards to that
Are D Locks only viable with ele shaman? I really want to main one . I know it takes a lot of skill to master but seems so fun once you do . Also would a lock be easier to gear than a Dk ?
gearing on any toon is the same for PvP you have to do bgs and arenas with the occasional PvE items if you want to min max. Destros can play a few comps and are very strong, they just don't have as wide of a comp list as affliction but that doesn't make them bad at all. LSD is one of the strongest comps in the entire game. You can also play many spellcleaves with them. If you want to play destro definitely go for it seeing as they are incredibly good.
My Holy Priest shunned once again lol :( I used to run alot of oddball specs trying new things, but I actually made holy work. You play it by stacking spirit, and only use instant casts apart from mana burn. No interrupts, keep on the move with speedbubble, don't take many crits at all due to blessed resilience I think it was, very good mana sustainability, a smart lightwell keeps teammates alive through cc, very high healing because of the nature of holy, and glyph of guardian spirit is amazing, also requires glyph of bubble for more crit potential, giving more instant flashes. Does lack a bit of bubble tank that disc has, mainly suffers against Warrior and rogue combos due to healing debuffs, but handles dks and casters pretty easy. If you play it right, it's definitely not a useless spec. It's just different with different pros and cons to disc :)
Your comment will fall on deaf ears, people cant think this deep these days. they judge a class from a single dimension. "Oh you can get inturpted ?! lol uselss healer"
Do you have any comments on the best PvP racials for Wrath -- especially any notable class/racial synergies. I'm thinking about rolling Shaman (Ele preference), Hunter, or Mage.
Troll sham has berserking for ele is good, war stomp is good for landing hex. Orc has AP buff, draenei is worse racial. Hunter Nelf is bis for melding cc's. Mage human is good for double trinket. Overall racials play a very minor role in wotlk arena in determining who wins. Human is obv the best arguably for any DPS once ICC trinkets are out but it's not nearly as big of a deal as people claim.
Almost all of my information is from private servers which are the same patch as 3.3.5. I actually barely played original wrath. I played retail cata start to finish. The highest I've been on the ladder is .4%
Great video! Disagree about frost mage just from some other guides I’ve seen (all made by pro mage mains btw so there may be a bit of confirmation bias there haha).But super in depth. Really appreciate the time this took. But pls put frost into S+ ppc ;)
Mage is a bit weird. They're seen as super strong in wotlk but they're actually not -that- meta. Currently on FM3's arena ladder there's only a single legit mage in the top 50. Mages kinda suck at the start of the expac (or at least the ones on Warmane suck). Icecrown's arena ladder does have a few more but that also fluctuates I've noticed. If anything if FM's arena ladders are to be trusted in terms of viability, I'd say enha sham deserves a significant bump up and so does rogue. I'm quite curious what Classic's ladders will look like, though. Especially if the likes of Raiku will play it. Also curious how Xaryu will perform and if Hansol will try and keep the fire mage alive.
@@QPoily I think looking at private servers doesn’t really paint the picture. I have a good feeling there will be a substantial amount of rank one mages come the arena season. The quality of private server players is just so much lower than these top guys who have been grinding (especially some of these retail guys). Not saying private server players are bad as I’m sure a good number could whoop my ass lol. Just that I would be surprised if many/any of them are topping ladders
@@Scrumpchwrap no, engi is a meme and blizz already banned it for arena in TBC. If you are talking about bgs then yes engi but not for arena. BS gives you extra prismatic socket on your bracers and gloves.
Ele's really shine in 3's specifically, however you can run ele/preg, ele/shadow priest, ele/mage, ele/hpala, any form of control comp or anything with good heals usually works. They honestly aren't as good in 2's as they are in 3's.
Could You give me an advice as for a newer player to WoW. Im abit late to TBC so now I will be playing it to prepare for Wotlk expansion. I wanted to ask You which one of them is easiest to use/to master for PvP combat (requires least personal skills)? Shaman-Elemental / Warrior-Arms / Paladin-Holy?
Playing any class at high level takes thousands of games and lots of practice and frustration. If you are asking what is the easiest to get started with and be decent at a baseline then definitely hpala or arms warrior. Ele sham is extremely difficult to play effectively. You should play whichever is the most fun for you though because that's the most important part of an MMO. You can play any to rank 1 so whichever you think is the most fun.
PvE gear becomes a little less relevant in wrath vs TBC since you have such bigger health and mana pools. It still does make a difference though. Locks aren't super dependent on it, eles aren't, mages aren't, basically anything with control to substitute the gear. Warriors are extremely gear dependent.
I would put Affli in S-Tier and Destruction into A-Tier.Resto Sham/Destro is Rank 1 Material for 2v2 and Aflliction is part of the best or second best 3v3 combs in WLP or LSP.
Hey thanks for the video! You didn’t cover 2’s comps much in this video and focused more on 3s so I have a question… my buddy is going Ret and I play boomkin. Is there any viability to that comp?
35:58 "living bomb is the only DoT in the game that crits" uh no? The Pandemic talent for Afflocks gives corruption and UA the ability to crit. Shadowform gives Spriest DoTs the ability to critically hit Primal Gore talent for ferals give Rip the ability to crit. so I am not really sure what you mean by this.
@ assassination is a pretty bad spec since you don’t have shadowstep or dance and can’t benefit from gouge because of deadly poison. I got gladiator as disc rogue with mutilate and I wouldn’t do it again. It’s a pretty poor spec.
2:58 is simply a lie. The root effect on earthbind totem you get off talent called "Storm, Earth and fire" which is 30 points deep in to elemental tree. Therefor not every shaman is going to spec in to this.
A question bro, I'm going to start playing wow lich king and I'm wondering for rogue pve and pvp what would be the best race to play it? Can the undead be pve and pvp? I need your advice please.
I like this video, tho I don’t realy agree with blood dk tier. Many ppl doesn’t know how to face them, and if u go like arp build - Blood dk has some insane burst. And it’s possible to go pretty high rating in arena. One the classes i realy do enjoy playin in arena. I agree that bdk is VERY squishy and most of the time u pillarhug, but going against any mele it’s so satisfying😊
ty for the list and explaination very good video i have a question do you think ret or preg will be better for early wotlk and would preg even be viable in the first seasons i wanna play it but i fear it wont be good until very good gear is achieved
Preg is not good in season 5, it’s extremely gear dependent and needs lots of crit rating to be effective. Ret is better S5/S6 and maybe even S7, in season 8 preg is godly.
@@Earpugs thx for the answer that will be the plan then :) also i play horde right now do you think for being competitive you'll need human? or the blood elf silence can be better than the 2nd trinket in some situations
@@Majamer Races honestly play a small role in who wins an arena. The amount of times you lose because you made a mistake vs what racial you have is about 99 to 1 to don't sweat it. Human is obviously the best race but that doesn't mean you won't see tons of horde teams at rank 1. Play whichever you think is the most fun.
Nice content ! Can you please make a 2s Tier list video ? S5/S6 first and then if a lot of people like the video go for the part 2 with S7/S8. Trust me, a lot of people just want this ! :)
Look at warmane ladder and come back. Will make you reconsider the placement of destro lock, subtlety rogue and shadow priest. Also how is feral so high
Very good video man. Your attention to detail and giving quick but good descriptions about everything was perfect. You told us what patch you're assuming, that you're combining all seasons, and you gave really good reasons for each placement. This is by far one of the best put together tier lists ive ever seen, not even factoring in the actual placements. The placements however, I would agree with almost 100%. Super great job!
Thank you very much!
Hehehehe, Prot pally in C tier... I love that you along with most of the player base actually believes that. And it’s why I’ll hit 2200+ with ease using it, as in MUCH more ease and far less skill needed than if I used ret XD.
@@aidanmclean8574 People are 10x better now than they were in wotlk. but prot wont be any better, and will get dunked easily.
@@mig4560 LOL. Ok. looking forward to dunking you in arena then. You have the same attitude that everyone else I met in the 2200+ bracket... which is 50% of why they lost to us consistently rofl.
@@aidanmclean8574 2200 is extremely low. gl bud
Hands down best vid on pvp specs on youtube. Your goal was to make a tier list vid, but I've found something I've been searching for a long time - brief highlight of crucial abilities of each class, little nuances, what to be aware of playing against them, etc. Since you can't really roll all specs to study them, video like this is just a hidden gem. Great job
Thank you!
Im simply impressed about how many answers you gave to the comments. Big work at making the video and helping the community. Thank you so much for the video!
Probably the most informative and well structured video on Wotlk pvp out there. Kudos man, liked and subbed!
Thank yo very much for this. Makes me feel better about Warlock in Arena. Thanks for putting in the effort, I know these can take awhile. Cheers.
Much appreciated! Love the TBC content btw.
warlock is a lot better than he gives credit for. Also, much more fun to play than in TBC imho, but I'll nonetheless skip classic wrath. No WoW for me anymore :D
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Shamans root is from storm earth and fire in the elemental tree not earth's grasp, I made a mistake on that.
Kamper got rank 1 playing survival hunter back in s8 with a destroys warlock and holy paladin :). Ofc game evolved alot more on privatservers later on.
Lightning Overload does half damage on the extra spell not 100%, also the combo isnt lava burst+chain in one global, since the travel time+cast time it will allow you to do Lava+Chain+Fshock all hitting in the same time
First tier list thats actually good. Only thing i can see is underrating destro warlocks as they together with elemental shamans are absolutely insane. In a vacum though not very good, so it depends. Preg also plays good with hunter in 2s
Dude, you should do a "wotlk 3v3 comps tier list" with the same amount of details you did this one ;D it would be great
I may do that but we will see, I have many TBC to wotlk video ideas before I do another tier list.
lol you didn't even mention the strongest selfheal dk's have with death strike
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early season gonna be different, warriors are not that strong since they scale hard with pve arp gear and dw trinket
Yes, please make it
More wrath pvp content please this was great
Thks you for upload this amazing video! Very clear and clever explanations. I love long videos and your voice fits very well. I had a good time.
Thank you very much, I'm glad bronzebeard approves.
25:20 good Starfall tip on the line of sight - I didn't play balance back then, so it's interesting to see something following the same mindset as Convoke way back then
Not sure how correct that info is. Maybe the pillars in arena act differently but testing it out on Blackrock and having only the left dummy in the dummy training area in my LoS while still being in range with the other dummies, I'm only getting 10 stars.
It makes sense because Starfall only ticks every 1 second, lasts 10 seconds, and can only fire off 20 stars in total. If you want to fire off all 20 stars you NEED to be in LoS with a second person to hit them with the extra star every second while Starfall is ticking down.
You -can- still do this trick to limit your Starfall to the two people you want to hit with it by LoSing the 3rd person in, for example, 3v3. But other than that, a person can only be hit once with a direct star attack. The splash hit on the other hand is different. Those can hit multiple targets if they stand on-top of each other.
man this is the best thing for anyone who wants to play arena in wotlk
Best Wotkl Tierlist I've seen so far. You deserve a Like and Sub.
Amazing video. I did PvP as feral druid in Wrath and it was very fun.
The earthbind root talent is deep in the elemental tree. "Storm, Earth and Fire" next to Elemental mastery. Only ele shamans can root.
Totally true! I made a mistake with that, I edited my pinned comment to say it.
That's shitty Lol.. I want it foe Enhancement.
@@WhoFlungDung enhance shamans have a 5 sec freeze on frost shock though.
Because i play spriest i noticed 2 things. Dev plague and v touch can crit when in shadowform and Fade removes movement impairing effects and decrease the pushback of spellcasts aswell.
great video. first one I've seen in the recent "get ready for wotlk classic" stuff that covers preg pallies
Thank you!
No one gave credit to the "down goes Venruki" and im here to do it. You're awesome thank you for the video
FINALLY SOME ONE!!! Lmao ty
Feral druids lacerate and rip can also crit while being dot effects, through the Primal Gore talent
The more you know!
There are several more as well!
Flame Shock for all Shamans (no talent needed)
Shadowform for Shadow Priests
Pandemic for Affliction Locks
T9 2pc set for Moonfire for Balance Druids
T10 4pc set for Rake for Feral Druids
The set bonus ones are probably not used in PvP, but they do exist!
Great video, getting back into WoW pretty late but PvP is my favorite part of the game. Nice to have a detailed breakdown like this, really helps refresh my interest in the game. You deserve more subs!!
Thank you! More videos to come.
This video taught me more about a class than leveling videos metagoblin posts
So informative and well done!
Thank you.
I remember using a crab on my hunter but I swear by the end of it it seem like Spider was more common/useful. That being said most people probably weren't able to intervene blind reliably back then.
spider net can be dispeled, but crab pin can not be. downside is crab pin works at melee range.. + crab is tenacity.)
@@MassDonfel I think crab pin is a channel though right? As in melee can interrupt it? Maybe not anymore. Am I just imagining it? I swear at one point it was a channel.
@@Alphascrub_77 not sure realy .
that's a lot of knowledge and work. Good job
Thank you!
I just heard the line about tricks of the trade, if I may, there is no boost in damage for the rogue, only for the target. Thank you for the video its really cool
Thanks for the info! Glad you liked it.
Very nice explanation!
I appreciate the effort and how in depth you went with the video. However, I would like to add that one of the top 3 comps in wotlk on 3.3.5 is LSP (aff/ele/hpal), and it was not mentioned. Some of the most successful comps on that patch include LSP (aff/ele/hpal) and WLP(aff/warr/hpal). So I would strongly believe aff goes into s or maybe s+, but I would probably argue S. I will also like to say that destro will be played mostly as LSP(ele/detsro/hpal), not LSD. Especially when wotlk classic starts, druids will be underperforming compared to hpal. Even when it is s8 gear, hpal is used MUCH more than rdruid, but this point is exaggerated in s5/s6 gear. I dont think there is a world where destro would be the same tier as fire mage.
LSP is absolutely insane and I’m not sure why I didn’t reference it tbh. I needed more tiers because I would’ve put destro in the bottom of A but I just think it looks dumb if I put half the classes in one tier. Destro/boomkin/fire mage shouldn’t be in the same tier as a frost DK.
@@Earpugs Yea there are a lot of comps, well in a 3s environment destro is better than boomkin/fire/frost dk dont you think?
@@lhiragaz destro is certainly better than those 3, I put it at the top for that reason but really I should've had like A+ and A and destro would've been A.
I remember carrying my PvE guildies to 1600 rating as a resto shaman, and they were full pve geared UH DK with shadowmourne and arms wariror with some pve pieces and shodwmourne, shit was hilarious we either blew up somebody during bloodlust or lost badly.
And for the same reason as my last comment, alliance RLS is very strong. You mentioned rogues pair well with destro, because of setup / control. RLS takes it to the next level of burst and cleans.
Back in WotLK I got the "iron man" achievement in a pug as an ele sham!
been looking for a video like this, pog content man :>
Much appreciated!
Awesome video. Thanks a bunch
Thank you!
Dude I just want to say there is alot mainstreamers youtubers etc but they can’t compare to you. Great video pure quality! Keep it up 👍
Thank you!
Like and subscribed, this video diserves it. I'd add a note of double assas, human rogues. The double burst trinket procs with double CB cs evis is pretty nutty against any non plate wearers
Shadow priests can fade to remove snares, just something you didn't mention when talking about their mobility they gained since TBC
Totally true! I forgot that one
shadow priest went from 1 defensive cooldown to 4. aoe fear, fade, single target fear/disarm and dispersion. and on top of that their dots can crit now xd also he put demonic warlock in D tier... that class he the msot survival out of all warlocks spec... good luck when u face warlock and shadow priest in 2v2
@@GamingDualities yeah spriest is my 3rd alt full s3 atm but he's my main in wotlk lol its unstoppable.
@@GamingDualities demo lock is trash in arena xd
Great video as always!
Appreciate you!
Very good video dude, keep it up!
Technically Fury warriors do have a form of mortal strike. They have a talent called "Furious Strikes", which makes all melee attacks have a chance to reduce healing by 25%, stacking 2 times. They still don't have unrelenting assault though, so they are definetly not as good as arms!
The more you know!
@@Earpugs Also Furys get Heroic Fury, which kinda is another charge in combat on top of breaking a cc.
Would love a 2s comp tierlist/ overview
I may or may not make that, depends because there is almost too many comps to cover.
@@Earpugs Would like to see a general overview of popular 2's comps because I play 2's a lot more than 3's in tbc currently
@@wh0racle3 I may do it eventually but not yet. Also that becomes extremely hard because certain comps are godly in S5 and very lackluster in S8 and vice versa.
Exceptional video! Would be cool to get a video on best races for each class or just a tier list of them. (Humans obviously bis but on horde at least the choice isn't as easy.)
I don't think I'm doing a race tier list, there just isn't too much to say. Only racials that are strong is human bis obv, then wotf undead, orc stuns, night elf meld other than that the stuff is so minor. Also racials don't play as much of a factor in wotlk as they do in TBC since they are all so nerfed. Play whatever you think is the coolest most enjoyable IMO.
NICE VIDEO Thanks for the tip
Honestly even though some kids are giving you a hard time, this is a REALLY comprehensive tierlist and would be a massive undertaking to create. Kudos.
Now I just need to figure out whether to play destro warlock or fire mage..
Will probably mainly be BG crawling with a side of arena.
Awesome video man, thank you
Man I can’t wait to play Shadow Priest. Think I’m going to level a ret pala too to build towards Preg build
Nice! Definitely level the shadow priest first, pregs are very bad season 5 and 6 since they rely so heavily on gear. Later on in wrath they are very good though! Especially season 8 after ICC is out
in the first 1-2 seasons of wotlk ele shaman, DEMO lock, heal is absolutely insane... the meta soulfire hits so hard due to low resilience it easily oneshots rooted players... so dont underestimate them
can confirm preg paladin is disgustingly tanky vs melee but vs casters you struggle hard
Sick video, thanks man liked and shared
Much appreciated’
This was so enjoyable to watch
Thank you!
32:12 you say Fury doesn't have MS effect but it does - it's from the Furious Attacks talent
You are correct, it's an RNG MS however and unreliable.
A very good watch, thank you
Very surprising seeing a rogue on the middle tier, when on tbc they were kings on arenas
No king rules forever
Rogues start to struggle later in wrath because they're so squishy. Big burst and control but they're just glass cannons and so easy to gib in a stun.
@@uoyredrum thanks!
Anyone that can use the legendary 2h axe is op in wotl pvp. Ret pally is crazy in pvp
awesome content dude appreciate your work with all things TBC/WoTLK arena related. GL with season 3 :)
Thank you!
I'd put dLock higher, but I enjoyed watching this.
I would have been happier if you had mentioned 2's comps, but I'm quite pleased regardless.
Glad you liked, did you have 2's comps you are wondering about? I can try to help.
@@Earpugs I'm om the fence between Feral, Disc or Holy Pal. Might play two of those. Holy Pal I know would just straight up go with warrior. The others are a bit trickier
@@josephjoestar4318 both are very strong so I would play whichever you think is the coolest and most fun. That alone is worth picking a class for. Picking a class around meta usually ends up with quitting the game.
@@Earpugs that's true, equally, not having decent team mates might make me quit. Trying to pre plan a dun 2s comp around my more skilled friends.
They remove most of the benefits from 2s don't they, starting in wotlk? Even so I find 2s more fun than 3s
@@josephjoestar4318 the only thing they remove is the titles from 2’s which IMO was a great change. It makes 3’s much more active.
Good video. Just fyi - you don't need a pop filter if you're for away from the mic lol
thansk for this, and i guess the overlords from warmane gonna rule this expansion.
nice shit man... thanks !!!
If I am not mistaken Warriors get Bladestorm in WOTLK and Heroic Leap in Cata. also, Dwarfs might be the next best race in WOTLK, since Stoneform is a huge counter to Death Knights. and every racial ability is getting nerfed but Orc Blood Fury is getting buffed in WOTLK O.o (2008-10-14): No longer reduces healing received while active. they literally removed best defensive racial spell in the game (WoW TBC) called Ellune's Grace from Night Elf Priess :/ "Reduces the chance you'll be hit by melee and ranged attacks by 20% for 15 sec." RIP
humans get their free trinket in wrath
Deadly throw as a spell doesnt interrupt in TBC, it's a bonus on the arena gloves that makes it interrupt, so the spell isn't changed in wrath in regards to that
this is a super technical point. either way, the end outcome is d throw doesn't interrupt in WotLK, which ear correctly stated.
Tell em
Bear druid getting ready 🔥
Bladestorm can get canceled by disarm and death grip. Also shadow priest dots can crit too. If im not mistaken most spell dots can crit in wotlk
I think disc priest could be in S tier. If all the other healers are also in A. Enjoyed your video. :)
Can you do a video on racials? Never ending discussion on Orc/undead warlock or which shaman is best and why. Would be interesting to hear you insight
I may or may not. There's not too much to say about them honestly and for the majority of games it plays a small role as to who wins.
Are D Locks only viable with ele shaman? I really want to main one . I know it takes a lot of skill to master but seems so fun once you do . Also would a lock be easier to gear than a Dk ?
gearing on any toon is the same for PvP you have to do bgs and arenas with the occasional PvE items if you want to min max. Destros can play a few comps and are very strong, they just don't have as wide of a comp list as affliction but that doesn't make them bad at all. LSD is one of the strongest comps in the entire game. You can also play many spellcleaves with them. If you want to play destro definitely go for it seeing as they are incredibly good.
@@Earpugs thank you so much for the quick reply and information . All the best
Do you have for open world PvP? Great guide thank you so much!
I don't sorry
My Holy Priest shunned once again lol :( I used to run alot of oddball specs trying new things, but I actually made holy work. You play it by stacking spirit, and only use instant casts apart from mana burn. No interrupts, keep on the move with speedbubble, don't take many crits at all due to blessed resilience I think it was, very good mana sustainability, a smart lightwell keeps teammates alive through cc, very high healing because of the nature of holy, and glyph of guardian spirit is amazing, also requires glyph of bubble for more crit potential, giving more instant flashes.
Does lack a bit of bubble tank that disc has, mainly suffers against Warrior and rogue combos due to healing debuffs, but handles dks and casters pretty easy.
If you play it right, it's definitely not a useless spec. It's just different with different pros and cons to disc :)
Your comment will fall on deaf ears, people cant think this deep these days. they judge a class from a single dimension. "Oh you can get inturpted ?! lol uselss healer"
@@ir0n2541 indeed 😂 oh well I had fun lol
Do you have any comments on the best PvP racials for Wrath -- especially any notable class/racial synergies.
I'm thinking about rolling Shaman (Ele preference), Hunter, or Mage.
Troll sham has berserking for ele is good, war stomp is good for landing hex. Orc has AP buff, draenei is worse racial. Hunter Nelf is bis for melding cc's. Mage human is good for double trinket.
Overall racials play a very minor role in wotlk arena in determining who wins. Human is obv the best arguably for any DPS once ICC trinkets are out but it's not nearly as big of a deal as people claim.
Thanks for the video! :) how high did you went in wotlk? Seems you really know the meta back then
Almost all of my information is from private servers which are the same patch as 3.3.5. I actually barely played original wrath. I played retail cata start to finish. The highest I've been on the ladder is .4%
Great video! Disagree about frost mage just from some other guides I’ve seen (all made by pro mage mains btw so there may be a bit of confirmation bias there haha).But super in depth. Really appreciate the time this took. But pls put frost into S+ ppc ;)
Mage is a bit weird. They're seen as super strong in wotlk but they're actually not -that- meta. Currently on FM3's arena ladder there's only a single legit mage in the top 50. Mages kinda suck at the start of the expac (or at least the ones on Warmane suck). Icecrown's arena ladder does have a few more but that also fluctuates I've noticed.
If anything if FM's arena ladders are to be trusted in terms of viability, I'd say enha sham deserves a significant bump up and so does rogue.
I'm quite curious what Classic's ladders will look like, though. Especially if the likes of Raiku will play it. Also curious how Xaryu will perform and if Hansol will try and keep the fire mage alive.
@@QPoily I think looking at private servers doesn’t really paint the picture. I have a good feeling there will be a substantial amount of rank one mages come the arena season. The quality of private server players is just so much lower than these top guys who have been grinding (especially some of these retail guys). Not saying private server players are bad as I’m sure a good number could whoop my ass lol. Just that I would be surprised if many/any of them are topping ladders
@@QPoily with players like rivah, Ziqo, xar, ven, etc. e
Great video
Awesome video! Which classes/specs are least dependent on raiding/using PVE gear?
I answered this in my discords FAQ
@@Earpugs cheers
Just subbed. Was thinking of getting into some pvp come wotlk classic. Would love to see a profession suggestion vid. I'm a noob and need to learn :)
I'm not a big PvE player so no profs srry, BS and jewelcrafting are bis for arena though for most classes.
@@Earpugs BS and JC? U mean engi and JC?
@@Scrumpchwrap no, engi is a meme and blizz already banned it for arena in TBC. If you are talking about bgs then yes engi but not for arena. BS gives you extra prismatic socket on your bracers and gloves.
What a great video , one of your best! Thank you for being so Thorough!, i thank you sir!
A tierlist for 2s would be nice. What are good ele sham 2s comps?
Ele's really shine in 3's specifically, however you can run ele/preg, ele/shadow priest, ele/mage, ele/hpala, any form of control comp or anything with good heals usually works. They honestly aren't as good in 2's as they are in 3's.
@@Earpugs thanks for the reply. If ele is not so good in 2s what are good resto sham 2s comps? I know warlock/resto and feral/resto are good.
@@repptorr rsham lock is insane, rsham warrior and rsham ret are all good.
Could You give me an advice as for a newer player to WoW. Im abit late to TBC so now I will be playing it to prepare for Wotlk expansion. I wanted to ask You which one of them is easiest to use/to master for PvP combat (requires least personal skills)? Shaman-Elemental / Warrior-Arms / Paladin-Holy?
Playing any class at high level takes thousands of games and lots of practice and frustration. If you are asking what is the easiest to get started with and be decent at a baseline then definitely hpala or arms warrior. Ele sham is extremely difficult to play effectively. You should play whichever is the most fun for you though because that's the most important part of an MMO. You can play any to rank 1 so whichever you think is the most fun.
spriests can use fade to remove movment empairing effects if specced improved shadow form
OP
Which classes are the least dependent on raid gear? Locks and healers?
PvE gear becomes a little less relevant in wrath vs TBC since you have such bigger health and mana pools. It still does make a difference though. Locks aren't super dependent on it, eles aren't, mages aren't, basically anything with control to substitute the gear. Warriors are extremely gear dependent.
I would put Affli in S-Tier and Destruction into A-Tier.Resto Sham/Destro is Rank 1 Material for 2v2 and Aflliction is part of the best or second best 3v3 combs in WLP or LSP.
I really enjoyed the video!!! I feel Destro deservedly should be higher, it's just too much of a playmaker.
Thank you!
Hey thanks for the video! You didn’t cover 2’s comps much in this video and focused more on 3s so I have a question… my buddy is going Ret and I play boomkin. Is there any viability to that comp?
You can make anything work. Ret boomie doesn't have a ton of synergy however. I did cover 2's comps here ruclips.net/video/E_LMux2OaIk/видео.html
35:58 "living bomb is the only DoT in the game that crits"
uh no?
The Pandemic talent for Afflocks gives corruption and UA the ability to crit.
Shadowform gives Spriest DoTs the ability to critically hit
Primal Gore talent for ferals give Rip the ability to crit.
so I am not really sure what you mean by this.
I was mistaken
@earpugs can you make a video on how preg paladins work or a guide to them?
I am not a preg expert so no sorry.
which rogue spec(sub or assa) is best in 5 season 2v2 with sp or dp? thank you in advance!
Sub by a mile
@ and what about next seasons? i think assa is good cause most people play plate armour classes in WotLK
@ assassination is a pretty bad spec since you don’t have shadowstep or dance and can’t benefit from gouge because of deadly poison. I got gladiator as disc rogue with mutilate and I wouldn’t do it again. It’s a pretty poor spec.
2:58 is simply a lie. The root effect on earthbind totem you get off talent called "Storm, Earth and fire" which is 30 points deep in to elemental tree. Therefor not every shaman is going to spec in to this.
Total true! I made a mistake on that and I edited my pinned comment to say the correct talent.
A question bro, I'm going to start playing wow lich king and I'm wondering for rogue pve and pvp what would be the best race to play it? Can the undead be pve and pvp? I need your advice please.
Human sub rogue
5 boomkins in 5v5 lets go
*laughs in starfall*
Very nice video! Would be really interesting to als have included the 2s tier. What are the OP 2s comps?
Thank you! I am actually currently editing my 2v2 wotlk tier list. Hoping to have it out in a week or so, keep your eyes peeled!
90% of top 2s teams are arms warr + holy pala
Wdym shadow priests cant get out of slow. Use Fade with talent for that.
Which class/specc will you be playing Earpugs? :D
I will be playing disc priest, arms warrior, affli lock and rdruid
My toxic trait is only wanting to play the D tier specs because no one else does.
I like this video, tho I don’t realy agree with blood dk tier. Many ppl doesn’t know how to face them, and if u go like arp build - Blood dk has some insane burst. And it’s possible to go pretty high rating in arena. One the classes i realy do enjoy playin in arena. I agree that bdk is VERY squishy and most of the time u pillarhug, but going against any mele it’s so satisfying😊
So revenge on proc warrior is of no consequence? In PvP?
ty for the list and explaination very good video i have a question do you think ret or preg will be better for early wotlk and would preg even be viable in the first seasons i wanna play it but i fear it wont be good until very good gear is achieved
Preg is not good in season 5, it’s extremely gear dependent and needs lots of crit rating to be effective. Ret is better S5/S6 and maybe even S7, in season 8 preg is godly.
@@Earpugs thx for the answer that will be the plan then :) also i play horde right now do you think for being competitive you'll need human? or the blood elf silence can be better than the 2nd trinket in some situations
@@Majamer Races honestly play a small role in who wins an arena. The amount of times you lose because you made a mistake vs what racial you have is about 99 to 1 to don't sweat it. Human is obviously the best race but that doesn't mean you won't see tons of horde teams at rank 1. Play whichever you think is the most fun.
Well done!
great vid!
Thank you!
I suspect the top of the ladder will have a lot of RMP, RLS and LSD despite the strength of a lot of other classes
atc phdk beastcleave thundercleave mls mld shadowcleave wld, i mean so many good comps
Nice content !
Can you please make a 2s Tier list video ? S5/S6 first and then if a lot of people like the video go for the part 2 with S7/S8. Trust me, a lot of people just want this ! :)
I will make a 2v2 tier list eventually. I think a 3v3 tier list is first though.
Look at warmane ladder and come back. Will make you reconsider the placement of destro lock, subtlety rogue and shadow priest.
Also how is feral so high
I’m looking at it right now, and sub rogue was in rank 1 team this season.
@@max7971 Exactly. Sub rogue and shadow priest is almost r1 right now. Why he put it in A tier and not S+ tier?
afflic locks are god tier over every other class and spec. not sure how you can only put them in A.
Did you also write the article you're reading word for word for this list? Just curious, i found both this vid and that article in the same sitting
Actually, the article was posted on the 4th of august, so im pretty sure someone stole your work
Which article are you referring to?
@@Earpugs RUclips wont let me post the link for some reason