Debunking Destiny on Israeli Apartheid and “Human Shields"
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- Опубликовано: 17 ноя 2024
- Ben and crew watch recent debates in which Destiny defends Israel with ridiculous degrees of "Whataboutism."
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MR BORELLI, YOU DISGUST ME
Mr. Botticelli
Destiny is so cringe. Even when I have agreed with him in the past, I almost had to fight myself to do so he is so off putting.
‘You haven’t a clue. You can’t find it on Wikipedia.’ 😂
Destiny is correct.
@@Thethinker6141 about what? About continuing monetary support for Israel? Or about being out of touch, which he's admitted he is
HRW, Israel's 2018 "nation state" law - declaring that only Jews have the right of self-determination in the country - "provides a legal basis to pursue policies that favor Jewish Israelis to the detriment" of the country's 21% Arab minority, who regularly complain of discrimination. B’Tselem, The paper is titled “A Regime of Jewish Supremacy from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea: This Is Apartheid.” The paper makes the case that what looks like apartheid-which the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court defines as “inhumane acts” committed under a “regime of systematic oppression and domination by one racial group over any other racial group or groups”-ought to be called apartheid.
Exactly! Important information, thanks!
"Israeli apartheid far more brutal than anything we saw in South Africa" ~ Andrew Feinstein, a onetime key figure in the ruling African National Congress (ANC) who now lives in Britain, emphasized his unique perspective as a Jewish son of a Holocaust survivor.
Woah, someone said something. Can you back that claim up with objective metrics?
@@captainbeefheart5815Search Amy Schumer GDF.
The current death toll in Gaza seem like a good metric@@captainbeefheart5815
@@captainbeefheart5815 If you want to know if this was an actual statement, you can just google it. If you want to know if the state of Israel can be described as being an apartheid state then read this report from Amnesty International....
"The report states that, taken together, Israeli practices, including land expropriation, unlawful killings, forced displacement, restrictions on movement, and denial of citizenship rights amount to the crime of apartheid."
@@lurx2024 No, I mean what are the objective metrics behind the statement? Nothing you said was an objective metric. Every country has some level of discrimination. How can you argue that Palestinians as a people are discriminated against in a top-down way when Palestinians Israelis have equal rights?
It can only be described as apartheid when you consider non-Israeli Palestinians as Israeli which is silly.
In WW2 the battle of Monte Cassino cost tens of thousands of allied lives over months of fighting - and the one thing that military historians all agree on is that the bombing of the place by allied planes was counter productive due to the fact that reducing the area to rubble (and in the process killing a lot of civilians who were trying to shelter in churches and other buildings) benefited the German troops defending it.
Destiny is so cringe. Even when I have agreed with him in the past, I almost had to fight myself to do so he is so off putting.
Why would you agree with Steven Kenneth Bonnell II? As far as I can tell he has never understood the idea of a cohesive argument.
Like the Israeli apologists cling on to October 7, as if history began that day, Bonnell hangs on to individual factoids, never, ever seeing whatever is being discussed as a cohesive whole.
And to compensate for his lack of information, he talks really fast in an effort to intimidate whomever he's debating.
The guy has always been a fraud.
How are Jewish settler families also not human shields?
How dumb are u?
I always heard about H using people shield, but even with all socmed posting by the IOF, I never see any video of it. I did see however vid of the IOF occupier strapping people on their humvee as protection.
Destiny's milquetoast remarks at the beginning sound like some of the captions from Goya's horrific "Disasters of War" series with intentionally understated titles like "What more can be done?" accompanying a print of a man being castrated with a saber by French soldiers. Goya certainly would have recognized his inability to cope with reality.
I remember when the only person on Twitter debunking human shield by Palestinian ppl propoganda was cj werleman. Must have been about 8 years ago or more.
I hate human shields; they're always so human shieldy.
Ben, talk to Yaakav Shapiro?
Apartheid is different rights for citizens of different ethnicity. If palestinians are not citizens - it is something different, but not an apartheid. Otherwise every countriyis an apartheid one.
Thank you, Correct
@@eyetrackerru No, that's completely wrong. I have no idea where you're getting that from. Black South Africans didn't have South African citizenship during apartheid. Citizenship is not mentioned anywhere in the definition of apartheid.
Article 7, paragraph 2(h) of the Rome Statute of the ICC
“The crime of apartheid” means inhumane acts of a character similar to those referred to in paragraph 1[Crimes against humanity], committed in the context of a institutionalized regime of systematic oppression and domination by one racial group over any other racial group or groups and committed with the intention of maintaining that regime;
@@jemt1631 that's right, but then it is again not applied to israel - there are arabs with full citizenship and they are not discriminated. So the limitations of rights are not based on race, but on citizenship. And if such limitations will be counted as apartheid, then we need to count as apartheid, for instance, all muslim countries which do not recognize israel.
@@eyetrackerru Whether every Arab country or even every country in the world is commiting apartheid or not has no bearing on whether Israel is commiting apartheid. That's just a non sequitur.
It's bizarre to claim Palestinian citizens of Israel don't face discrimination. Palestinians with Israeli citizenship are discriminated against. There's discrimination in housing, land ownership and famously the policy of home demolition and the revocation of citizenship isn't applied to Jewish people with Israeli citizenship. Though it doesn't actually matter as the justification given for not giving Palestinians citizenship is maintaining Israel as a Jewish state.
@@jemt1631 That's the attitude i really don't understand. "Even if all countries in the world is commiting apartheid by this standard, we will blame only israel for it". Also, i am not familiar with the laws of demolishing houses of israel's arabs for being arabs...
Ben, you got ridiculed once, why double down?
Lol when did that happen?
Destiny's political orientation is called "pro-bag"
He loves the bag.
He dreams of the bag.
And he would dang well marry the bag if it was legally permissible.
he would get more bag if he went socialist like Hasan
Ask a Briton if Lord Mountbatten was using those kids as human shields
Algorithm boosting great journalism!
Destiny uses the same stupid tactics as Benny S. Talking very fast to disguise his lack of substance.
Timestamp parts of this debate where Destiny lacks substance (especially compared to Ben).
I wonder what it would have been like if Palestinians simply accepted partition in 47. Like india did.
Who were the foreign settlers in the subcontinent? Which of the subsequent nation states are the ones with the foreign settlers?
@@refoliation none. Indian most of the Hindus and Muslim are both native there the land. Just like hope Jews and Palestinians are to Palestine/Israel.
@@The_Mosaic Oh I see. The group that moved from Europe and buys all the sunscreen is indigenous to the Levant. (makes jerk-off motion in dismissive mockery)
The cope sessions that ppl do after they get btfo'd by Destiny in a debate is always fascinating to watch.
so fucking true lmao...
well Destiny is the one that can't decide between "war is tragic on civilians" vs "civilians are being targeted and that's criminal". Go to the 8th minute of this video if you want context. Or ignore everything and keep telling yourself that discussions on his own internal conflict is "cope".
"If the Israelis were really trying to genocide the Palestinians, then why are there still Palestinians?"
An absolute brainlet take by Destiny. And his flop sweat stinking 20 something brainlet fanboys think he "won" the debate. 😂😂😂😂
So when Destiny reacts to his own debates or debates with people he's debated is that also him coping about his losses? Or is this just typical Destiny fan mental gymnastics?
Simping for any streamer or RUclipsr is so friggin funny to me, go outside fam.
It's blatantly false to claim no war has ever not killed civilians in human history.
There was a time when armies fought in fields and civilians stayed with in the walls.
Even in early Canadian and American history when General Wolff fought General Moncton for Quebec.
Trench warfare still kills civilians. They can get crossfire, diseases spread more easily, food shortages, etc.
Free Palestine
😂😂😂
Most educated young people have been taught that Israel was set up by colonialists.
For predominately Caucasian settlers to build an apartheid state.
In order to displace Arabs from freely living anywhere they used to roam or live.
They now despise Zionism. All of the liberal educated hate colonialism,
and apartheid or segregated societies. History, violence or nationalistic dogma,
are not relevant to the current continuation of the Israeli state.
This is why they're diametrically opposed to it. You can't argue against it.
It is a valid interpretation of what the nation state of Israel means,
to those who are 'idealistically' liberal educated.
Then why have all of the leaders of the West aligned themselves with Israel?
Could it be that the main 'allied' despotic regimes : The"Axis of Evil",
have declared war on the Neoliberal Capitalist West?
Do the leaders of the West know Iran did Russia the small favour,
of forcing a worldwide distraction from Ukraine.
By initiating a new front in Gaza. That Iran paid Hamas' leaders,
to initiate a Sui-ci-de mission to distract ...from the disaster,
of the Russian regimes handling of their disagreements,
with the Ukrainian nationalists.
China, Iran and Russia ( +N.Korea ) were sensing the weakness,
in the Capitalist Wests resolve and are prodding and pushing the allegiances,
of the educated liberal population of the West in various,
ideological directions simultaneously.
This is to further weaken the West's overall internal zeitgeist or resolve.
To undermine from within the West's hegemony.
Could this be why 'your' Western leaders support Ukraine and Israel.
That people are pawns to their leaderships aims and whims... is universal.
This conflict between the various shades and quantities of despotism is no different.
If you think the US's capitalist system is bad, corrupt and falling to pieces...
then wait till you see what the Chinese regime has in store for you.
Lol lmao
@@TheLordkirby Yeah, it is 'funny' when you come across a piece of realist, non-partisan opinion... it's so rare, as to cause laughter in those that are the 'weaponised' indoctrinated partisans.
Destiny is basically “what if Wikipedia had never kissed a girl”
And yet destiny will school any of the people on this show. Why don't these guys have destiny on lol because he would destroy thete rediculas views
@@Thethinker6141destiny consistently embarrasses himself with regard to this topic
@@MrDemian0666 Except he reads more than Wikipedia and has been divorced twice. Meanwhile, Ben can’t even explain why Jews would care about the demographics of Israel.
He literally went there. What else do you want him to do?? You can disagree with him but this is becoming boring 😂😂
@@mkwke215 he can’t even find Israel on a map. Lucky the pilot knows where it is
Imagine if a "terrorist" was holding an innocent civilian, maybe a child, as a human shield in a comic book movie, and a strong man in a cape flew out of the sky. He lands in front of the "terrorist" and says "release the civilian, evil-doer!". The terrorist yells "no". Now imagine that this superhero's eyes start glowing red and then all of a sudden a laser blast fires out at the "terrorist". It goes right through the innocent child and the terrorist, killing both. Now...am I describing Superman? Or am I describing the actions of a psychopath like Homelander or Omniman?
Destiny is an ignorant AHole
What a cope-fest.
Ben, Destiny literally schooled you and now you have to have a pity party on how wrong he is with people who agree with you? Kind of sad man.
Big if true
Everything Destiny says is dripping with ignorance
Sorry not sorry its pathetic and laughable to pretend you know anything bc you read it on Wikipedia
Wikipedia can be a solid place to get information, even without that, I think he's read multiple books on the topic now as well. Which is part of the reason why he's way more informed than Ben from what I could tell during their debate.
@@Ryan-on9ne no it's not. At best Wikipedia is a decent place to start. I personally fuck with those entries all the time and I'm sure I'm not the only one
Anyone who uses Wikipedia as their main source of "information" is ignorant and lazy
@@markeastlack4180 I don't disagree.
@@markeastlack4180 why would you fuck with Wikipedia entries to put false information in there? That seems pretty messed up.
@@Ryan-on9ne bc it's hilarious and your reaction only heightens the hilarity
Beautiful group cope session fellas. None of this debunks anything in your debate with destiny Lmaooo also was j andrews world agreeing to a patently false claim that you can’t read the entire Geneva Conventions on Wikipedia?
@@nathaniel6958 I see you took this special time to embarrass yourself in public. 😂🤭😏
This was before the debate. Breakdown of the debate itself was here:
ruclips.net/video/8sooxRi0uRA/видео.html
@@orphaotheseeker2770 nah mr Ben burgis sure did in the debate with destiny lol
@nathaniel6958 Nah. The only people who think Destiny is correct on the Israel/Palestinian conflict are terminally online 20 somethings.
Go back to your video games and leave the politics to your superiors.
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@@orphaotheseeker2770 or anyone who does any amount of fact checking
The Gaza Strip is 41 kilometres (25 miles) long,
from 6 to 12 km (3.7 to 7.5 mi) wide, With around 2.5 million Palestinians
on approximately 365 km2 (141 sq mi) of land,
Gaza has one of the world's highest population densities.
You can't say in good faith (hamas should not use area near civilians)
Because they can't
Anywhere in Gaza is near civilians and that is not on hamas because Israel surrounded Gaza 30 years before hamas existence
As for the human shield argument
I never saw a single hamas fighter using Palestinians as human shield
There hundreds of images and videos of Israeli soldiers using Palestinians as a human shield
Just to help you understand how small Gaza is
Running a marathon is little longer than the Length of the Gaza stripe
Why dont they just have destiny on .Because he would destroy there wron arguments
Pretty sure Ben would let Destiny on anytime he wanted
Oh sorry I mean Mr. Bonaduce
Mr Bernadello's parasocial edgy Redditor fans can't even spell "their" and think someone will take them seriously in comments on this channel.
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It's easy to debunk Destiny since he typically has no idea what he's talking about.
He takes a few factoids and tries to stretch and twist them into a cohesive argument without a grasp of the overall picture of whatever.
haha, good one
@@tonybanks1035 Yeah, facts have that effect, don't they?
@@screenPhiles yes, the fact that Ben could barely articulate a coherent position on this topic really has a weird effect on people.
@@tonybanks1035 No, I don't particularly care how well Ben Burgess articulates a position, doesn't make Steven Kenneth Bonnell II any less an idiot, who uses factoids devoid of context to 'win' debates.
@@screenPhiles Steven might be one of the few in leftist media to actually give a decent context of this conflict. Let me describe what lack of context looks like: GENOCIDE, BARBARIANS, CHILD KILLERS, LAND STEALERS, APARTHEID!!! Those few words are the sum total of information I would get about this conflict by watching leftist media in general. That's some context for you.
Lmao shots fired
Wikipedia is his boo
is ben still gona ask us to vote biden no matter what
Vote Trump, like the clownshoe left over at Sublation Media are. MAGA will lead the proletarian revolution.
@@orphaotheseeker2770has sublation media finally gone full nazi?
If there are two realistic choices, and one is a lesser evil, you should always vote for the lesser evil, yes.
Inb4 "but both parties are exactly the same!"
@@jayargee492 no i am good with not voti g for a guy who has actually killed 186000 palestinians and now expanding nato to southeast asia. i am sure a gullible liberal imperialist thinks supporting ukraine is moral as well lol
Funny that you're making videos about Destiny instead of just debating him. He's not hard to get a hold of.
He did debate him lol. This is a clip from a 2 and a half episode discussing an even longer debate that he just did with destiny like two weeks ago
@@carterclucas3222 I saw the debate where Ben was having difficulty agreeing to basic facts surrounding the conflict. I think it'd be more productive to just hop on discord and actually make the case than just repeat his narrative over and over again to his audience.
@@captainbeefheart5815cracka!
@@captainbeefheart5815😂 it's amazing that that tactic works so well to distract people from the main topic. Even when multiple other people like Baddar, Finkelstein and MLH have followed Destiny into the weeds, proved him wrong, Destiny just jumps from irrelevant factoid to irrelevant factoid, all to distract from discussion over the real issue, which is that Israel are enacting a genocide on Gazans and the US is enabling that. You can debate the past til the cows come home, but the fact remains that one side has occupied the other for decades, has led to the rise of violent resistance groups, has propped up those groups to sew discord within the occupied peoples, and uses their violent resistance to continue the brutal occupation and now genocide of the majority innocent population.
Unfortunately, it works on simple minded people, and to top it off, they have leveraged past atrocities and fear to gain the support of people who should know better. In fact, because they had financial support when the Palestinians did not to anywhere near the same level, they were able to invest in lobbying and propaganda that has clearly been effective for people of a certain level of compassion and intellect.
@@captainbeefheart5815
What was that Steven?