The KTM weighs pretty much the same as the Tenere but has another 1.5" of suspension travel, 30% more HP (at a lower RPM to boot), 30% more torque, significantly larger and more powerful brakes front and rear, an inch more ground clearance and the same seat height. Pol Tarres isn't riding a stock Tenere, and without a doubt he'd be better/faster on an equally modified KTM 890 R. If this "big bike" category becomes something, expect him to switch to KTM or become irrelevant *in the racing world*, and fast.
@@usualsuspectsfor1k And here we are one year after you comment to find that KTM has been making shit bikes with camshafts made of cheese and going bankrupt, while yamaha tenere outsells the 890R 10 to 1 (and thats being generous), doing almost everything an 890 can in a race environment, while being cheaper and more reliable. You must be living in lala land if you think pol tarres leaves a behemoth like yamaha to go race for a clown show company like KTM
It's amazing, all 3! But it's deceiving. It makes people believe they can do the same with those bikes 😂 but this clip is really displaying amazing rider skill more than bike performance
I really appreciate your comment. After watching this video, I thought I could go do this on my R1200GS and was getting ready to give it a go at my local rock quarry. Good thing I saw your comment just as I was putting my helmet on and it stopped me.
The fact that one of the KTM seems completely stock (including the license plate and the turn indicators) is what amazes me. At this point, they should make some kind of special mention for that (hopefully it exists already?)
Yeah that's Greg Gordinne and he just runs his normal 890 up there. At least he did last year when I met him, but I don't think he done any big changes on his -23.
I disagree, the ktm 450 rally at 3:03 is hauling ass but its also a completely different bike. I think the extra power the 890 has over the t700 does not give it that much of an advantage but the extra weight surely slows it down a bit. Id say t700 is the fastest of those three (except for the real rallybike that sneaked into the video haha)
Good day to you! I am a grandpa rider on HONDA motorcycle from Japan. Enjoying camping ,touring and upload video. Your Enduro Bike video is so nice! Awesome! Full supported ! Have a nice day my friend!
Dang. I own the 890 and while it is awesome the T7 sounds so good! I imagine they are all running near unobtainium suspension bits and other one off factory components but the T7 and 890 look pretty planted and composed.
Hola Buenas! Estoy mirando una Yamaha tenere 700 o ktm 890 cual es mejor ? me gustaría meter por camino a muerte ! También por carretera hace viajes! Hoy en día tanto cv no sirve de nada !!!! Gracias!
HP might not be everything, but being able to have tall gears with the power to pull through them would be beneficial since you can shift less and still be fast
That ducati looks and sounds the part, and looks like it handles very well, looks the most like a big dirt bike, but reliability and cost of ownership is a major concern. The ktm does not sound or look good, I know that is subjective perhaps, but it is what it is. The t7 is just the business, the complete package. I am kind of biased, though... Where is aprilia? Missed opportunity to make some sales. The tuareg looks promising.
@JohnSmith-ef8nr 99% of us are not going to be pushing these bike nor have the skills necessary to these limits. I will say the t7 has the reliability but on road the desertx is superior. The ktm has the offroad but it's ugly as hell lol. Any of these bikes would make anyone a happy man. And no problems yet out of my desertx
Are you watching the same race? The Desert X looking terrible, suspension bottoming and wallowing all over the place. You can tell it's far too heavy to compete with the T7 and 890.
We had 2 cameramen on the main day. We changed a couple of locations during the race. We didn't find a time to go catch Carls Dinner. There is one of our favorites as well. Next year hopefully.
Not the fuel tank, the airbox is above the tank. You remove 6 screws and the plastic air box comes off. It is not a 2 minute job, but how often do you change or clean your filter on an ADV bike? Only 2 times a year if that.
4:12 "Alter Schwede" would've been my words exactly, if I would've found any. What the flip is even that? I thought the laws of physics had to be obeyed by everyone, but it seems that they are apparently viewed as more of a loose set of guidelines by these riders. My eyes see this, but my brain can't compute.
@@strictlymitch Yeah, that is probably part of it. But I still think t7s and mt07s sound deeper and rumblier than Ducatis 950 and KTMs V and inline twins, KTMs old lc8 sounds deeper than the new ones as well. Maybe the cylinders fire at different degrees even though they're both 75° twins?
@@AVI.Dthe Ducati runs 90° twin and the Ktm 890 in this video is parallell twin with a firing order that makes it have the same timing as 75° v-twin, like the lc8. Older lc8’s tend to sound deeper because they have longer stroke compared to bore. Newer ktm’s bored them out to increase cc’s and to make’em easier to rev higher, to increase power up top. 👍🏻
unbelievable, with a little light motocross you can go off-road with a little extra training but with these +200kg monsters it's a completely different story. I've been driving for almost 35 years but I don't trust myself. I would be interested to know how the bikes have been modified. It would be even more interesting with standard motorcycles, i.e. also with the original chassis parts.
It's an easier transition than you think. The thing that makes a dirtbike so excellent offroad is the tires and suspension, so if you have an ADV bike that has dirtbike tires and suspension, it's actually pretty dang good in the more open stuff. These bikes really begin to show their limitations in the tighter stuff though, especially when they get hung up on something slippery like a wet rock or tree-root.
ruclips.net/video/G5_1w0JkNSs/видео.html This is from last year but it's Pol Tarres' bike. It may not be the same machine exactly but it'll give you an idea.
I get that this is an exercise in proving that you can. But should you? Really??? The KTM is the best of the bunch, by far, but i'd still prefer my EXC-F 500 over anything shown. Just the weight advantage, alone, is enough for me...
These adv bikes need seperate competition category in 2024
Absolutely. The Billy Big Bollocks multi cylinder class. There's the start line, follow the yellow arrows, have a great race
Good idea
猛者揃い 流石だね
文句のつけようがない走り！！
Tenere for the win. IMO. Couldn't hurt having Pol Tarres riding it.
The KTM weighs pretty much the same as the Tenere but has another 1.5" of suspension travel, 30% more HP (at a lower RPM to boot), 30% more torque, significantly larger and more powerful brakes front and rear, an inch more ground clearance and the same seat height.
Pol Tarres isn't riding a stock Tenere, and without a doubt he'd be better/faster on an equally modified KTM 890 R. If this "big bike" category becomes something, expect him to switch to KTM or become irrelevant *in the racing world*, and fast.
@usualsuspectsfor1k
He won't switch, he's sponsored by yamaha.
Maybe KTM should make some vids like The Seeker to promote there bikes.
@@JohnSmith-ef8nrKTM The Seeker gibi videolar çekmesine gerek yok Ralli performansı olarak sürekli zirvede bir motor zaten bilen biliyor.
@@usualsuspectsfor1k And here we are one year after you comment to find that KTM has been making shit bikes with camshafts made of cheese and going bankrupt, while yamaha tenere outsells the 890R 10 to 1 (and thats being generous), doing almost everything an 890 can in a race environment, while being cheaper and more reliable. You must be living in lala land if you think pol tarres leaves a behemoth like yamaha to go race for a clown show company like KTM
I've had the KTM1290R in the past and I would definitely love to have a Desert X Rally & a T7.
It's amazing, all 3! But it's deceiving. It makes people believe they can do the same with those bikes 😂 but this clip is really displaying amazing rider skill more than bike performance
Yea there all heavy pigs and these guys make them look like dirtbikes 😂
I really appreciate your comment. After watching this video, I thought I could go do this on my R1200GS and was getting ready to give it a go at my local rock quarry. Good thing I saw your comment just as I was putting my helmet on and it stopped me.
These big 700s fail miserably in the Erzberg rocky tech stuff and fall behind the lightweights... WAAAAAAY to heavy to be ridden in the HUGE rocks.
I love my T7!!
This is new class in enduro races 😅
Throwing those things around like they’re on a 450😮
2:56 to 3:14 was thoroughly impressive
Yes, but it is a 450 Ktm Rally bike.
great bikes, great video. thanks
Glad you like them!
The fact that one of the KTM seems completely stock (including the license plate and the turn indicators) is what amazes me. At this point, they should make some kind of special mention for that (hopefully it exists already?)
Yeah that's Greg Gordinne and he just runs his normal 890 up there. At least he did last year when I met him, but I don't think he done any big changes on his -23.
THAT 890 APPEARS TO BE THE RALLY EDITION. BASICALLY COMES WITH CONE VALVE FORKS. SICK RIG.
in fact is this video is clearly the only rebound correctely and has the correct seat position for an real enduro bike
@@CLAYKREBSnope that's the normal 890 but you can buy the cone valve suspension for that too
I would watch an hour of this footage. Wish it wasn’t just 5 minutes worth
The KTM is clearly the dirtbike of this bunch.
That is one fat looking dirt bike, The T7 is flying and looks nice and trim.
Yamaha t7 .... best adv body.....!!!!
I disagree, the ktm 450 rally at 3:03 is hauling ass but its also a completely different bike. I think the extra power the 890 has over the t700 does not give it that much of an advantage but the extra weight surely slows it down a bit.
Id say t700 is the fastest of those three (except for the real rallybike that sneaked into the video haha)
GO Méo!!!!
Wish I was there!!!
Good day to you!
I am a grandpa rider on HONDA motorcycle from Japan.
Enjoying camping ,touring and upload video.
Your Enduro Bike video is so nice!
Awesome!
Full supported !
Have a nice day my friend!
All so amazing!
Amazing people and bikes
Whole the rest is on the shop the tenere will still be going strong
True
Looks like a few shots of a GasGas 700 Enduro too.
lmao the riders constantly saving the ducati. Like riding a mechanical bull
çok güzel video olmuş
Tesekkurler.
100% stock bikes off showroom floor or upgrades suspension??? Fantastic seeing all the competing adv bikes in same video.
3:42 gasgas 700 with rally kit?
yea, seems to be a GG700 with Rade Garage kit.
Dang. I own the 890 and while it is awesome the T7 sounds so good! I imagine they are all running near unobtainium suspension bits and other one off factory components but the T7 and 890 look pretty planted and composed.
Best two bikes to buy for proper Adventure riding. My opinion.
The 890s are probably running the wp xplor pro suspension
@@arcadegamesify Without a doubt.
I wonder when some brand builds a proper Superenduro again. There are a few custome ones out there. One even raced the Erzberg
They make it look so easy.
Anyone know the results , looks like it goes by weight , 690 , 700 , 890 , Ducati ?
Depends what you want from the bike ..if its mostly off rd take the T7
who is the winner
Wasn’t there an old BMW boxer-twin in there at one point? That looked like it was going well! Les in UK
4:16
I love kTm😁
Would like to know who the pilots were...besides Pol. Who is Meo ?
Hola Buenas! Estoy mirando una Yamaha tenere 700 o ktm 890 cual es mejor ? me gustaría meter por camino a muerte ! También por carretera hace viajes! Hoy en día tanto cv no sirve de nada !!!! Gracias!
890
desert x
Do the riders ride the big bikes all week or just on the hill climb day?
HP might not be everything, but being able to have tall gears with the power to pull through them would be beneficial since you can shift less and still be fast
Tenere é melhor com certeza
That ducati looks and sounds the part, and looks like it handles very well, looks the most like a big dirt bike, but reliability and cost of ownership is a major concern. The ktm does not sound or look good, I know that is subjective perhaps, but it is what it is. The t7 is just the business, the complete package. I am kind of biased, though... Where is aprilia? Missed opportunity to make some sales. The tuareg looks promising.
The Toureg wouldn't start, it had electrical issues.
@JohnSmith-ef8nr 99% of us are not going to be pushing these bike nor have the skills necessary to these limits. I will say the t7 has the reliability but on road the desertx is superior. The ktm has the offroad but it's ugly as hell lol. Any of these bikes would make anyone a happy man. And no problems yet out of my desertx
@@aaronphillips2728 easy win for ducati desertX with extra 40hp over the competitors. 👎
@@markraptussame power as ktm
Are you watching the same race? The Desert X looking terrible, suspension bottoming and wallowing all over the place. You can tell it's far too heavy to compete with the T7 and 890.
Nobody mentioning the 80’s BMW G/S at 4:16 still kicking ass?
Why no footage at Carls Diner?
We had 2 cameramen on the main day. We changed a couple of locations during the race. We didn't find a time to go catch Carls Dinner. There is one of our favorites as well. Next year hopefully.
It's just crazy they were able to ride those big bikes on that course, thanks for sharing@@enduro.station
yamaha t7 best
That Ducatti....Imagine having to remove the fuel tank to clean an air filter🤣
Not the fuel tank, the airbox is above the tank. You remove 6 screws and the plastic air box comes off. It is not a 2 minute job, but how often do you change or clean your filter on an ADV bike? Only 2 times a year if that.
@@briangc1972 The air filter is literally under the tank, which has to be removed. There are plenty of videos showing it.
@@briangc1972no, you have to remove the tank.
@@crazyRyogaexactly
500 pounds pushed to their limit! More More More!!!
Ok on flats & climbs, didn't show boulder field or hard enduro parts. Let them race dakar &baja.
3:36
4:12 "Alter Schwede" would've been my words exactly, if I would've found any. What the flip is even that? I thought the laws of physics had to be obeyed by everyone, but it seems that they are apparently viewed as more of a loose set of guidelines by these riders. My eyes see this, but my brain can't compute.
This Video is about the old Airhead BMW ! watch at 4.16
Where's my KLR!!!🤣🤣
The Yamaha sounds deeper than the Ducati and KTM, I wonder why
Pol runs next to no exhaust as far as I know. It's cut off just after the foot pegs
@@strictlymitch Yeah, that is probably part of it. But I still think t7s and mt07s sound deeper and rumblier than Ducatis 950 and KTMs V and inline twins, KTMs old lc8 sounds deeper than the new ones as well. Maybe the cylinders fire at different degrees even though they're both 75° twins?
Watching those big bikes wheelie up the hills and launch off the top is awesome. I think the T7 is the best sounding for sure.
@@strictlymitchhe’s running a full akra system
@@AVI.Dthe Ducati runs 90° twin and the Ktm 890 in this video is parallell twin with a firing order that makes it have the same timing as 75° v-twin, like the lc8.
Older lc8’s tend to sound deeper because they have longer stroke compared to bore. Newer ktm’s bored them out to increase cc’s and to make’em easier to rev higher, to increase power up top. 👍🏻
You can tell the Desert X doesn't have the suspension and is way too heavy to compete with the other bikes.
I assume KTM followed by Yamaha ?
Your assumption is wrong, Ducati followed by Yamaha then KTM
@@dariogs61 Ducati did worse than the two. OP is right, KTM followed by Yamaha
T7 has air superiority.
unbelievable, with a little light motocross you can go off-road with a little extra training but with these +200kg monsters it's a completely different story. I've been driving for almost 35 years but I don't trust myself. I would be interested to know how the bikes have been modified. It would be even more interesting with standard motorcycles, i.e. also with the original chassis parts.
It's an easier transition than you think. The thing that makes a dirtbike so excellent offroad is the tires and suspension, so if you have an ADV bike that has dirtbike tires and suspension, it's actually pretty dang good in the more open stuff. These bikes really begin to show their limitations in the tighter stuff though, especially when they get hung up on something slippery like a wet rock or tree-root.
ruclips.net/video/G5_1w0JkNSs/видео.html This is from last year but it's Pol Tarres' bike. It may not be the same machine exactly but it'll give you an idea.
890r is a sweet ride but the castrated engjne sound is just so disappointing compared with otherwise most competent package in the class
WHY TUAREG 660 WHY 😒
I suppose the KTM won, considering it's a Red Bull event.
E come sempre la differenza vera la fanno i piloti… Le moto si equivalgono ormai…
I get that this is an exercise in proving that you can. But should you? Really??? The KTM is the best of the bunch, by far, but i'd still prefer my EXC-F 500 over anything shown. Just the weight advantage, alone, is enough for me...
ducati looks like a new born deer that is powered buy 110 horses!
KTM is much more composed than the T7 and Desert X….
But.. Who won?
Those ducatis seem squirly as fuck 😊
99% of these comments don’t even own a bike.
The ktm looks more at home. The Ducati is like supermodel trying to keep up with her burly boyfriend
The suspension performance in the ktm is better by far
KTM rider looks leagues above the rest, literally chucking it around banging limiter
T7 is always at home
@@Jake_Hamlin That is Matthias Walkner on his 450 rally bike.
@@t_tsering only 450? Climbs like a 690
Ducati suspension way too soft. It bottoms out super easily and handles like garbage in rough terrain while at a fairly high speed.
idk whos faster but that ktm is ugly as sin and the Ducati is just perfect!
DUCATI? 😢A FINE JOKE😅😅😅
Mejor la ducati pero claro 17.000 € me compro una Yamaha tenere 700 y una Ktm adventure 790 cc ejemplo !!!!
But it did worse than the two and not even close. KTM and Yamaha are more practical than your supermodel. KTM is the winner in here
@@clickbaitpro
The ducati rear end is sold separately.
Weak course...
time trial ?
Yes, this footage from qualifying for the main race. Fastest first 500 rider can ride on main event Erzberg Rodeo.
@@enduro.station did you run the big bikes in the main race ? that's impressive