Three 'Ranger-alikes' - Two Hits and One Miss!
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Well, you can't win them all, can you? The Proxima feels like it comes from a class below the San Martin, despite their identical price tags, just not as good in every single way. But for $100ish, the Pagani more than holds its own visually. And that is kind of the point, isn't it? To look amazing for not a lot of money. Cheers, Jody
Finish work, come home, relax and watch Jody chat about some watches. Perfect
Ahhh, thanks Flan. Get yourself a beer or herbal tea as appropriate.
In uk timezone Jody acts as my wake up call 😁
pretty much my day
i love the tophat crystal on the pagani, absolute steal for that especially if that claimed 200m resistance holds up.
Hearing Jody says "a bit mid" unironically is the best thing I've heard today.
Well, you know, I'm sure there are people watching who will understand it, even though I'm not one of them.
Great comparison review Jody. I haven't tried out the San Martin or Proxima, but I do have the Pagani Design. The best part about it for me is that lovely deep black dial. Yes the build quality and lume aren't on par with San Martin, but you don't expect it to be for the price. If San Martin added a dial like the Pagani Design one, then I think it would be even better.
I am not a fan of the ranger, but I do like non-vintage Explorer homages. Who makes the best one in your opinion? I have been keen on the Cronos. Also, keep up the good work with your channel.
@@sinesaii I've actually done a comparison video between a few on my channel. The Matic, San Martin and Bliger versions. Thanks 👍
One of the more lucid observations on RUclips
At this stage of my life, I'm pretty sure I'm not going to be able to comfortably spring for a Tudor Black Bay, 39mm Pelagos, or a Ranger. But I do love the Black Bay/Pelagos and Ranger dials and handsets. Enough so that just last night, before I saw your video, I ordered a San Martin SN0107. As I type this, I'm wearing my NTH Barracuda which is about as nice a Black Bay homage as anyone is making. I don't doubt the value of the OG. If I were younger and had never owned a Rolex, Omega, or Tudor, I would be hoarding my pennies for all three of my favorite Tudors! But will a San Martin with a Seiko drive and a NTH with a Miyota work well for me? Yep... What fun! Thanks again, Jody. Always a pleasure to get your take.
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I don’t always think of the differences as ‘not getting it right’ so much as *sometimes* the things that prevent them being a straight clone watch. Sometimes those things work for the watch in hand, rather than the one it is homaging.
I received the Pagani as a gift recently and I put it straight onto a nice suede dark leather strap and I absolutely love it! It looks fantastic. I also love the smaller size. The NH35 is also running well at about minus 1-2 seconds per day.
I reviewed the Pagani and enjoyed it but there are definitely some refinements that they need to make. However, for the price it is a winner. Would love to see the San Martin, always quality watches
Just received my PD Ranger. Cost me $97AU delivered in 6 days. For a watch that will go into the collection for occasional wear, perfect little fun homage. I personally won’t wear it enough to stump up for the San Martin on this occasion, mainly because my one San Martin I do own, I do wear regularly and that’s the 50’s submariner homage the so-called “water-ghost” which is a bloody fantastic watch!
Top review as always. I picked up the Pagani in the 11-11 sale and have been quite happy, plus the low cost let me pick up a few different pieces over January. Good work Jody. 👍⌚️
Picked up the San Martin a while back, and while I guess I'm not as proud of it as if I'd put away $2.7K for the real deal, it still makes me quite happy when I wear it. The finishing is so neat, and it wears great. Having seen a couple of vs vids at this point, I think that's just the way to go.
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I totally agree that I rather save and get a real Tudor Ranger than spend 300 bucks on a clonage and regret it later. The Pagani for a hundred can do the trick.
I have the San Martin 1016 homage, and it is in contention for my favorite watch. If I was more drawn to the Tudor ranger I’d definitely go the San Martin route. Thanks for the fun comparison Jody!
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Huge thanks for taking a look at these 3 Ranger alternatives. I'm sure this will help many an enthusiast on a budget. It's funny how much of the Ranger experience San Martin delivers at a tiny percent of the price. They got the size right, and even offer white lume (my choice). I don't care for the shade of lume used on the Ranger, so this one is quite tempting. No T-Fit clasp of course, but the one there does look nice all things considered. I would stick with the 38.5mm version, but some people were clamoring for a 36mm Ranger. San Martin really is giving people what they want.
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I got the San Martin, loved it! I might get the white dial on as well. This one truly disappears on the wrist. Thanks for the comparison video Jody.
You know the video is going to be good when its a Head-to-Head-to-Head! Cheers Jody 👍
Great seeing these side by side. Thanks Jody
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I got the Dryden Ranger homage because it came out first, has a smooth highbeat Miyota 9xxx movement and has great quality finishing.
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“Official animal of 6 year old girls around the world.” Pure awesomeness. Yes. Proxima missed the mark on this one. Although their PX1697 (CW Homage) is next on my unnecessarily long list of watches I want to buy.
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I like how Jody describe proxima as an 'unfinished' one, it looks exactly missing something, more/less like mvnt
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I'm a big fan of Proxima; I quite like the unicorn logo and I love that they try to add originality to many of their offerings. This ranger homage is certainly a miss though.
The watches are nice the unicorn logo is horrible. Quit playin
@@noequal5401 Proxima's unicorn logo looks better than that shite hexagon logo that SM uses.
@@freddyt55555 you prefer the my little pony logo? It not good looking man. Please stop.
picked up the PD for the price and could not be happier, I could not justify your san martin horse😂
Both companies, Proxima and Pagani have used off-she-shelf cases to work their existing models into Ranger homages, unlike San Martin who have not. This explains the size differences als well as the use of oysterish cases and polished bezels which look totally off to me.
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Great review Jody, I am very lucky, I got the Tudor Ranger on launch and have to say it is brilliant, very understated, accurate and great value for money for the specs.
Yeah I am not sure why more people don't love it?! Less than half price Explorer in a better size 🤷
I have the San Martin, bought it on the 11/11 sale last year, and it's one of my favorite watches.
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Luuuurve the "Ranger" style, but I'm waiting for the re-release of the Islander/TGV version....................
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The common theme in most of these video's is San Martin is the best made watch and Pagani Design is the best value watch. It seems to run true no matter who you compare them to. Definitely two of the best brands on AliExpress.
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The other two companies made theirs smaller because everytime they post their prototypes on reddit, they're absolutely assaulted with comment from tiny men asking them to make every watch 36mm and even smaller. There's a sizeable contingent of of size queens in watch groups that are convinced that because they have tiny wrists and because they wish watch fashion and sizing hadn't changed since the 1960, the watch industry should cater to them specifically. Unfortunately, chinese watch makers have started believing them and have forgotten that most men do in fact have 7 plus inch wrists and that, in line with today's fashion, the sweet spot size for this type of watch is 39mm or 40mm...
I'm getting the idea Pagani Design has improved their watches lately. For me, the PD with a leather strap would be beautiful. And cheap. /not Scottish but I understand
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Recently purchased and reviewed my first Proxima. It is loosely based on a Chris Ward C65, and it is excellent. I actually like the fact Proxima hasn't directly homaged the Ranger, and it has the best movement. I am not a fan of the Proxima font, and I hate the unicorn when used. As usual the San Martin is excellent, but quite expensive considering it has the NH35 in it.Of course, the Pagani is the best value for money, but they always let themselves down with something
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SM have now made one with applied indices. They have sent me one in. Looks nice. I have their other version and really like it but I do feel the faux patina is a bit to faux and looks off.
Great comparison video pal.
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My Pagani actually cut me because the bracelet was so sharp. Just save up for the San Martin or go Swiss Tissot. As a beater watch yes. Works fine. Great review as always!
@@Ktrb Still love mine, the Tissot Le loche automatic for $300. And I bought my first San Martin, for $250 and I actually got a good one, but I bought it on the big sale. but there is nothing like a Swiss made watch. I bought several AliExpress watches, you get what you pay for. Cheap prices and the quality is good for what you pay for. But just good. Nothing great yet. But all my friends know I'm the "watch guy" as they don't even have a watch! I really thought the San Martin was really going to "wow" me but I feel disappointed? As I save my R...x Submariner for the best days. Thanks for the reply!
Save a hundred quid and use a 20p piece of sandpaper to take the sharp edges off. Simples.
@@jananilcolonoscopu4034Classy 😳
@@alfieakaronaldog what do you think professionals use to smooth corners off watch bracelets? Harsh language?
@@jananilcolonoscopu4034 The day I have to sand a sharp corner off a watch bracelet, is the day I get an Apple Watch ⌚️
If San Martin used the deep black dial from the Pagani, it’ll be the perfect Ranger homage for me. Great comparison!
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Thanks for the excellent comparison video. San Martin tends to receive a lot of accolades from watch reviewers and they definitely seem to be positioning themselves at the higher end of the homage manufacturers. I don't own one yet, but I expect I'll get a San Martin this year, especially since I already own several Pagani Design homages.
The two San Martins tried (explorer/bb36) have really impressed me for their quality. I agree with you point on cost vs the real deal, especially if you end up buying more than a few homages. I recently spent not so much on a 36mm Tisell and it’s a great little watch which looks great, but I did it with the knowledge that I don’t think I would ever spend £7k+ on a Rolex Explorer.
I own around 10 Pagani Design watches. I've never pulled the trigger on the SM because of their prices, and their obsession with closed case backs. The most important part of the watch is the movement. PD / SM =NH movement. PD: $105. SM: $240ish. PD: the deepest black dial I own, and I own way way over 100 watches. They almost always use display case backs. An easy decision > PD. $200+ for an NH movement from any watchmaker that is assembled in / near china, a big stretch philosophically....
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I bought the San Martin Tudor pro homage before Xmas and I have to say top notch! May pick this one up too 🎉
Great Comparison Jody ...
My Brother in Law turned up the other week with a Genuine Tudor Ranger.
He waited 3 months to collect it then took it back the next day as the hands were catching ... so back to Tudor it went !
I like the Pagani and for the money would go for that !!!!!!!!!
San Martin should really give us a high beat movement if they insist on charging slightly higher prices. A miyota 9000 series would be nice but even a pt5000 if they could up their qc on their internals.
Just landed the PD for $35 plus $20 shipping!! Unreal at that price. I'd like 2mm less crystal height and sacrifice some WR to take it down to 50m or 100m, and it would be incredible.
I have the San Martin and the PD, agree completely with your assessment! The dial on the Pagani is exceptional but the case thickness ruins the overall proportions, esp at only 36mm in diameter.
For my Pagani i've never given the thickness a thought. Some years back I did sell my 1963 chrono because of the height, but never felt it on the Pagani.
The Proxima is homaging an Oysterdate Ranger vintage Tudor. I'd add a cyclops to the date variant. I like that vintage Tudor Oysterdate.
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You made my day, Jody! My face: 😊 when I find new video from JOMW!
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I agree, I did a video on the Pagani Ranger & it's a great watch for the low price ...I mean ...just over $100 inc delivery....how is that even possible?
Worth noting that, although you count it as a negative, the original 34mm Tudor ranger from the 60s and 70s had a Rolex Oyster case. Could argue that is a nice throw back but of course more likely it was just to save running up a new case. Surprised u didn't mention this (likely unintentional) historical connection.
got a pagani air king for xmas.... surprised at how nice it is! i looked at the ranger but liked the air king better! cheers jody!
Thanks Jody, I got a San Martin on the way now thanks to you!
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Dang, time for a new Pagani.
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I love the comparison videos & have a lot of respect for both San Martin & Pagani Design. If San Martin gave an alternative for movement choice (say a Miyota 90 series at a slightly higher price) I"d be truly tempted as i'm impressed by the quality for money offered. That said, I would still save for the Ranger if I were inclined to want one. In my opinion, for the money asked, I don't like that the dial has printed indices instead of applied. If it did.... I'd save & buy one. I love Tudor as a brand.
Agree 100% Instead of the PT5000, give us a 9000 series.
Jody trying to leave the boomer zone saying "mid" lol love it
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The name Proxima inspired passionate visions of… home and auto insurance.
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Haha, loved the Psycho moment!
As a movie director yourself, I can see why you'd appreciate it mate 😉
The T-fit clasp is the most significant thing missing from these, which is one of the Ranger's biggest pros. Otherwise, they look very well done.
Great review, Jody. I was thinking “that Pagani would look great on a leather strap” just as I watched you say it!
Nice reverse action while looking at the San Martin bracelet! 😏 Thanks Jody! Why are my listed prices always so much higher on Ali Express (I'm in the states...)
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I wish Jody reviewed more Proxima watches, specifically the Marine Master-style (SBDX something or another). I am interested, and want to know his views.
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Excellent review Jody. I'm not crazy about the Ranger so not enamoured with the homages either and they're all too small for me anyway.
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i hate when the warranty card is left blank!
Should get one for my niece. She loves unicorns! 🎶My horn can pierce the sky 🎵
As always, the San Martin gets the Jody seal of approval. They're definitely one of the more affordable homage watches right now besides the Pagani. The Proxima, it's my first time hearing it and it's kinda nice albeit the dial finish. Overall, nice review once more Jody!
PS: San Martin and Pagani Design all the way!
The unicorn logo kind of reminds me of U.N. Squadron, a game I loved playing on the Super Nintendo back in the day.
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i really like that Pagani Design especially for that price! hell i might just buy one i already bought their speedmaster
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A hole-in-one again, Jody. Great content and a fun comparison. Cheers!
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So the San Martin still comes in the old 'oil can' packaging as opposed to the new smaller leatherette travel packaging?
i love these homage comparisons videos. is it weird i find them somehow better looking than the actual tudor itself?
i really love the little blue cloth of the Pagani Design too haha. Got 4 of them lying around at the moment. Does mean I have 4 of them, and honestly I don't wear any of them on their default bracelets so I think I would absolutely put the PD ranger on leather.
The San Martin is scary good.
@@JustOneMoreWatch It's tempting to get one! I got one of their tuna homages in bronze to wear with a pirate outfit, although I havent had a chance to wear it yet because I've yet to find a strap for it. The default strap was appropriately pirate-y but did not have enough holes and more couldn't be punched because of the strap design... the tribulations of small wrist watch wearers 🥲
I got four also!
@@davidsherrick898 cool! which ones do you have? i have the ocean planet chrono homage with the VK64 in blue n in white dial version, the daytona with pink dial and the world timer gmt
@@punkypink83 date just, tag Heuer Homage and GMT.
love my san martin ranger
Can’t go wrong with Pagani for the price. Pity San Martin can’t make a nice logo like Pagani
Love these comparisons 👍
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Random but I would love a black PVD coated Ranger or even Explorer homage.
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The San Martin is what we’ve come to expect, the font on the proxima dial is clearly aimed at the 6 year old market, but not for me, an unmatched date window? I like the PD, particularly the gloss black dial.
Thank you 👍 San Martin
The San Martin is really finished well. So tempting, and i’m not an homage lover. Looks great!
2 San Marten’s Presently in my collection. I’ve own watches from all the AliExpress brands, And SM Never disappoints.
If you think Homage instead of Counterfeit any of them are valid, San Martin putting their logo on it just saves it. The Proxima is going to be the best watch, the date is useful and the pt5000 is a step up from the nh35. Since I'm not nocturnal lume isn't really that important to me. Its the Pagani hands down for me
When you open the caseback, sometime the disappointment starts there with homages. Most of them you will see the cheap plastic ring inside that holds the movement.
Weird timing. I just ordered a Pagani Design PD-1751 last night. The plan is to put it on a vario leather strap. Not really a fan of bracelets. Been thinking of modding it with a green second hand. Will wait a see if it's worth it after I see it in person. Thank you Jody for the review.
I do find myself eyeing up the pagani regularly! Maybe in the next sales !
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I have this Pagani. Much disappointed regarding the visibility of the dial, since the saphire glass deforms the edges. San Martin looks perfect in this matter.
It would have been nice to see them on the time grapher. I am a bit old fashioned, I think accuracy is quite important in a mechanical watch.
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I own a Tudor Ranger and love it. I really don’t understand how companies can make an “homage” watch, which is nearly identical with the real thing in appearance and get away with it. I know that it’s done all the time but it still galls me.
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Ain’t China great 👍🏼
These are ‘Fakage’s’ not homages 😉
Jody, I own about 100 or so watches and 1 Pagani, this one.. Honestly I’m the guy that won’t buy any watch with the Pagani name on it. but bought this one during the sale for like $80US. Simply too cheap to pass up and it looked great. Love the dial. With that said, amazing watch at the price.. (and thankfully only a logo dial) LOL
Pagani is the most accurate: size and glass thickness from vintage Oyster Prince by Tudor.
I agree, the San Martin is best quality, but the Pagani looks better!
I'd be very tempted to impulse buy the Pagani - I like the smaller sizing and the polished bezel, but I realize now I tend to impulse buy every 36mm black dial sports watch that I see. Would have been better off putting all that money towards a genuine Explorer!
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Does SM still offer customized dials for some of its watches?
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I would like for SM to have a white dial option.
I got the 36mm SM version, absolutely stunning quality. I do wish they had used a more inky black dial, but that's just me. For me it's the best AliExpress watch I've owned... And I've owned quite a few... 🤣😅😅😅
I also have the 36mm and I'm keeping it! Brings something different to the table in terms of sizing.
@@JustOneMoreWatch I'm not sure I can justify keeping mine as I have the new 36mm Christopher Ward C63 Sealander in my collection... But it is sufficiently different to have avoided recent culls! 😅
Thanks Jody, do those with the NH35 have a ghost date crown position?
Love the Unicorn!
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I have owned a Pagani Ranger for about 2 months, I think if I saw this video first it might have put me off a bit, but I still would have got it, the logo on the San Martin makes it unbuyable for me, same with the Proxima logo and large name. The Pagani has the worst lume, but I think there is only one reason people buy a watch that looks like these, the Tudor factor, so, disappointed in the lume but no big deal. The blue in the glass is something I might get rid of a watch because of, but it hardly shows on mine, I don't know if some are worse? I think the bracelet is fine, opening the buckle takes slightly longer, but when it has easy screw in pins and it's comfortable that's ok, not having the normal fine adjustment notches set-up does seem stupid. The price is obviously nicer.
Overall I prefer the Pagani. But if people prefer the looks of the others, go with what you want.
has anyone else noticed when jody shows close ups of the san martin it seems to be speeded up to make the second hand look like its sweeping smoothly ,unlike the close ups of the other two?
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Lovely video Jody. Actually, I liked all three. Plus my nieces like unicorns.
Yeah the Black Bay Pro homage is definitely the one that had gotten me chuffed.
That dial on the pagani is great, too bad the lume wasn't a bit better. Maybe get out the tools and put the pagani dial and movement into the san martin?
I would kill for any one of these brands, regardless of the price, to release a 6, 9, 12 dial with a date complication.
Well, 2:15 into this video and I take that back! Way to go Proxima!!
Ahahha! Just for you mate!
JOMW... You should use that 'Psycho' effect whenever you mention the dreaded NH35...
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Great review, Jody, as usual. Can we look forward to you reviewing one or more Long Island Watch Islanders at some point? I've got a few of those now, and although they are not as cheap as the AliExpress specials, they offer good quality and good prices. Hope to hear your take on the brand one of these days.
That LoTR meme, Jody 🤣 dying
The hideous San Martin hexagon looks like it’s from an 80s glam rock band logo. “Are you ready to ROCK!”
Sadly, for this reason, I’m Out.
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Jody, I wonder if for those (like me) that were unable to get their hands on the bracelet version of the BB58, the bracelet of your SM Ranger would fit🤔? Great content as always mate!
been waiting for this comparison video
Adam! Clearly, as yours is the third comment mate!