Supernatural | 5x1: “Sympathy for the Devil” REACTION!!
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Two things can both be true in this debate.
1 - Dean has every right to be a little upset with Sam THE DAY AFTER Sam started the apocalypse. It’s not like Dean ditched him or hates him, he raised his voice and said he doesn’t trust him right now.
2 - Sam was heavily manipulated, forced to basically become an addict and was on a blood fueled bender power trip where he wasn’t thinking straight, not all of it is on him.
Exactly my point!!! Let the man be upset for a few days and want some space, he’s allowed to feel that way. And Sam was manipulated and was partly at fault
*ahem* DEAN started the Apocalypse, thank you. ;)
Exactly. I definitely agree with you. I think Dean and Sam were being played and manipulated by both sides in this conflict, only Sam got manipulated and addicted to the demon blood crucially while Dean was in hell, so he was already on that path well and truly by the time he got back. Also, there's no denying that Ruby took advantage of Sam's want to save innocent people both through extracting demons without killing their hosts, and by using his drive for revenge and the belief that he was saving the world against him. So, there are a lot of factors surrounding why Sam did what he did. Also, addiction is no joke.
That being said. I also understand why Dean feels the way he does, and I think he's also valid in feeling hurt and betrayed by Sam choosing Ruby over him. Both brother's are deserving of feeling the way that they do.
@@TheAlmaward No, actually he didn't. He broke the first seal, yes, but Sam broke the last one that kicked off the whole apocalypse and released Lucifer. Not saying it is either of their fault's really because Heaven and Hell were using them both.
@Nathan Toy He might have a right but he acts like he didn’t also have a part in it. Deans like that through the whole series. He blames and bashes on everyone that’s he supposedly cares about but apparently he never does anything wrong. I really hated that about Dean.
Remember what Jimmy or Castiel said before, angels not only need consent, they also follow certain family lines for who they can use as vessels.
It doesn't really matter how hard demon blood hits, the family of a crackhead is allowed to be hurt by the actions of said crackhead when they're high. It doesn't invalidate the crackhead's experience and emotions by being upset with them.
Davion is right about the comparison of themes in the show to what is relatable for us in real life. That’s the whole point of tv shows and movies, doesn’t matter if it’s “supernatural”. The story of Sam’s addiction is supposed to be reflective of addiction issues people have in real life. That’s what’s great about Supernatural, It deals with issues we couldn’t possible experience in real life, but it’s done in a way that allows us to relate said issues to real life problems we experience e.g family, addiction etc
I live just to see Davion forever defending Dean. Welcome to the dean apologists club!!!!
Dean has every to be mad at Sam
the guy who got possessed by lucifer is an amazing actor cant wait for this season its one of the best
Mark Pellegrino... Even Jensen said he's afraid of him once because he's also a trained fighter 😇
He played a convict in 911 was good in that
Jacob from lost and Rita’s husband in Dexter, the dude can play some roles.
When asked who their favorite death was Jared once answered "Ruby's!" and stated whenever he and Ginnfer argue he would state "oh this is because I killed you, right?"
This show litterally wrote demon blood as a metephore for Meth and similar drugs. Its written to draw the example. I've known plenty of addicts. Sam and Deans dynamic is very realistic. The idea you can't compare demon blood to other drugs is just wrong and doesn't make sense.
Yep. In addition - if I had been given the chance to save my little sister from death or to get revenge on the big pharma ppl who tricked her into the addiction that took her life - I would have drank demon blood too.
My sis was in the first wave of people to die of an accidental OD from oxy back in the early 2000's.
first of all dean didn't choose john over sam. he decided to leave and have a normal life and dean respected it. second, obviously both dean and sam got manipulated by angels and demons. i understand sam's perspective in all of this, he just wanted to kill lilith for obvious reasons and don't get me wrong dean wanted that too. however, for sam it turned into an obsession and ruby manipulated him. what i give dean credit for is the fact that he warned sam multiple times about not trusting ruby and not drinking demon blood. deep down he knows that it's not %100 sam's fault bc they were bot manipulated but i totally understand why he's feeling betrayed and hurt. and he's allowed to feel thay way too as long as he's not fully blaming sam.
Choosing your father over your brother is not the same as choosing a *demon* over your brother??? And Sam never asked Dean to come with him or leave their dad, he chose to leave for college on his own and without *both* of them whereas Dean litterally said he'd do whatever Sam wanted if Sam only agreed to ditch Ruby... I get Sam was manipulated and addicted but Dean is still 100% justified in feeling hurt and betrayed, what the hell?
(plus imho it really didn't take that much manipulation from the angels tbh but that's another story)
I do agree that Sam's choices were skewered cuz he was manipulated and an addict, and just overall in a bad state.
However, at the same time Dean is allowed to be mad about it. He knows it isn't Sams fault but at the same time he cant help feeling betrayed (thats just his responsive emotion), which is still valid.
But why is it just Sam getting blamed for everything? Dean also had a hand in starting the apocalypse but everyone likes to ignore that for some reason. Dean needs to start looking at himself before coming at Sam constantly.
@@WillPutYouInYourPlace12386 maybe because deans contribution was literally being tortured until he broke? Its not a good look to victim blame
@@WillPutYouInYourPlace12386 but Dean's always the first person to s*** on himself he literally is the type of person that would literally kill himself he was literally okay with letting himself die multiple times. He's the first person to criticize himself always that's literally his whole character. I know you're trying to help Sam out but don't get Dean's character all messed up to make Sam seem better that's terrible
@@WillPutYouInYourPlace12386 and you like forgot that Dean was literally tortured for like 40 years in hell and then he broke he literally told cass he didn't believe that he should be saved. But I guess you forgot about that when you was trying to defend Sam.
@@brandyjohnson738 Pretty weak argument when Sam was tortured in hell for 120 years. He didn't act like an asshole the way Dean does. Try again.
Hey Dean's feelings are valid about Sam. It hurt him and he can't control that. You cannot control how much hurt you feel, just how you respond. Dean was mature and let Sam know his exact feelings and told him he knew it wasn't Sam's fault.
The demon blood doesn't control Sam. It seems to be written like a drug, Sam was addicted to the power.
Um the demon blood did pretty much control Sam. That’s the whole point. Dean needs to look at himself and realize he also had a hand is starting the apocalypse. Dean is constantly putting all the blame on everyone but himself constantly.
@@WillPutYouInYourPlace12386 are you good? Lol
Yes!!! I agree with you completely. I tried to make this point and I got hate for it
@@WillPutYouInYourPlace12386 think you like Sam more for his looks and it’s clouding your judgment
Cameron being a simp for Meg no matter the vessel is just amazing😂❤️ "I love peanut butter" boy I died 😂
Dean probably figured his Dad would die while hunting if he left like Sam, and his trauma + abandonment issues probably made him feel awful about Sam leaving
That’s what I thought about too
I usually agree with nathan durring yalls arguements, but I am definitely on davions side on this.
Lmao Sam could walk into an orphanage and butcher all the kids and Nathan would be like “ok ok but Sam was just having a bad day” 🤣🤣
and he's right 😌
@@tangledjared9023 😂 there’s a middle ground. Dean has every right to be upset with Sam for starting the freaking apocalypse THE DAY AFTER it happened. I mean geez Dean didn’t even ditch him or anything he’s just like mildly upset with him.
And Sam shouldn’t be totally blamed because he was manipulated and addicted.
@@nathantoy9232 maybe but he was one by his own brother not to trust ruby or his demonic powers he should have listen people beat addictions all the time obviously he didnt want to or he would have and then he choose ruby over his own brother dean is in the right
@@andrewvidmar3488 Yeah I mean like I said Dean has every right to be upset with Sam for awhile, and Sam isn’t totally to blame
@@andrewvidmar3488 I’m not saying dean doesn’t have the right to be upset and Sam didn’t listen but that’s addiction for ya
The demon blood wasn’t controlling Sam, he was a freaking addict. Dean has EVERY RIGHT to be upset with Sam. I agree with Davion
Um the demon blood pretty much WAS controlling Sam. That’s the whole point. You Dean fans just can’t get past your own weird hate for Sam to see that. Maybe Dean should get his head out of his ass for once and see that he also had a part is starting the apocalypse. It gets old with him putting all the blame on Sam.
The demon blood WAS controlling Sam. Last episode we saw Sam almost stopped but then the demon blood took over and his eyes went black. Blaming the demon blood is like blaming the Mark of Cain, if you're saying the demon blood wasn't controlling Sam that's like saying the Mark of Cain wasn't controlling Dean when he broke Charlie's arm or when he insulted that girl (Maria Ann I think her name was) or when he told Cole to kill Sam or when he swung a hammer at Sam's head.
@@WillPutYouInYourPlace12386 Dean tried to help Sam. I can say the same for you Sam lovers too. You hate on Dean like you did just now. I don’t blame Dean, he didn’t know that he broke the first seal. Sam did not want to listen to Dean when Dean tried to stop him and talk to him MANY TIMES throughout season 4. So I do blame Sam for not listening to Dean. It is really bad that he chose a demon over his own brother
@@JordanTheDogQueen Sam could have stopped himself. There were times where Dean told Sam that he needed to stop what he was doing, to quit drinking the demon blood but Sam listened to a demon instead of his own brother. Talk about a Sam lover, I was not the only one who said this
@@RAGAN11 so? Sam told Dean to stop too. Also if you're saying I'M a Sam lover, I would say you're wrong. Yes I perfer Sam to Dean but out of all team free will I perfer Cas (+Jack & Bobby) and out of the Winchesters I would probably choose Adam, I felt really bad for him.
i love davion so much. resident dean fan and constantly defending him from resident deancrit nathan. never change davion you’re the fucking best
edit: want to clarify this is no hate towards nathan!! love all my dudes, i just relate to davion and love dean a whole lot
People kiss Dean's ass too much he deserves criticism
@@jimthecactus7425 in some cases definitely but Dean being mildly upset at Sam for starting the freaking apocalypse THE DAY AFTER it happened is not one of those moments.
@@jimthecactus7425 exactly, I feel bad for Nathan. He’s in a house full of idiots. All Davion did was just keep dismissing him and spouting bs. You literally can not compare real world afflictions to a supernatural affliction. We literally see that the demon blood is influencing his body and mind to cause him to do this stuff and that is a fact. If you wanted to get into headcanon territory then we could even take a guess and say that Ruby laced her blood to make Sam that way. It would make perfect sense for her too and it would be easy for her too as she also was a witch.
But either way, Sam couldn’t help himself. If Sam never had the demon blood in him, he would have just been far more open to listening to Dean. But from Dean calling him a monster and just pushing him away, it pushed Sam to rely on the manipulation of the demon blood making him depend on it which got him even more hooked.
can y’all go touch some grass or sumn
Yeah but the problem with him and other Dean fans is that y’all never put the blame on Dean. You do what Dean does and put all the blame on Sam. That’s just ridiculous and unfair. Dean also had a part in starting the apocalypse but no one seems to care because it’s easier to just blame Sam for it all.
Sam was an addict and addicts do things out of desperation (plus this is Demon blood, not a common street drug), moreover he was depressed, a state that Ruby took advantage of for MONTHS before Dean got back. ALSO, we learnt that the angels were pulling the strings behind the scenes (e.g the fake voicemail). I get why Dean is upset, but Sam wasn't in his right mind, no one could have made the right choices under those circumstances.
see i think thats where your wrong i think the demon blood didnt influence his actions i think he started to love the power so uch it started to corrupted him like anakin skywalker from star wars but sam could have made the right choice if he wanted to but he was so full of hate for lilith it overcame him and he ignored all of deans warnings about ruby and his powers im on deans side
I need to be fair when you're on drugs drugs don't make you do stuff but they do make you desperate so everything that you do it is your actions it's just that you know drugs makes you more desperate because you're an addict. So even if it's technically not Sam's fault technically he still did stuff that he did like he knew draining an innocent girl was wrong and as soon as he got angry at the phone call his anger mixed with hunger matched and he did the unthinkable. Didn't even said that they can go to Lilith together without Ruby but he needed a ruby because of the demon blood. I don't think that's because you can really not up to this extent but compare it to real life people who abuse other people who own alcohol or drugs they still do the stuff that they do they just under the influence when you're under drugs it makes to do the things that you wouldn't do but the choices are still yours like you can choose to get better and you can choose to stay being more and more addicted to the drug the more addicted to it you are the more you want to stay on the drug.
The anakin comparison is lame and is no where near where Sam was at. Y’all are so ignorant to what Sam has gone through and it’s mind boggling to me.
@@WillPutYouInYourPlace12386 the anakin and sam is exactly the same thing the darkside and the demon blood are the same type of thing both addicting they both decided to try and do good with evil powers they were both corrupted by that power except at the end anakin made the right choice at the end sam didnt and im not ignorant at what sam has gone through but people need to lay the fuck off dean because he raised his voice at sam because he turned his back on him and picked a demon over him he has a right to be mad but the sam stans think he can do no wrong im neutral i love both characters i have the brains to look at both views and if my brother did to me what sam did to me our relationship would be over
@@WillPutYouInYourPlace12386 I mean not really everybody has seen him go through stuff but that doesn't mean that we're going to just ignore or his choices that he's made same with the dean like he's been through some s*** doesn't change the fact that he's done some stupid stuff and it was his choice.
Both brothers are at fault here: Dean broke the first seal thus starting everything and Sam broke the last one. I personally blame the angels and demons more than I blame Sam & Dean. They both manipulated the Winchesters into starting the apocalypse, Ruby, Cas, Zachariah... they were in on it, they actually knew killing Lilith would free Lucifer. Sam thought he was just getting revenge for Dean. There was a lot of lying and treason involved between the brothers but yeah at the end of the day I think Sam & Dean were played more than anything
Finally someone with a brain in these comments. Everyone is so ready to put all the blame on Sam and don’t even think or care that Dean also had a hand in it. And everyone really should be blaming the angels and demons for this.
The way I see dean breaking the first seal is this: yes, he was integral to the seal breaking as it couldnt have happened without him. But he had no choices, responsibility, or fault for what happened to him. He was literally tortured until he broke. He had absolutely no way of knowing that that would do anything other than making him torture other souls. Dean was 100% a victim in his situation. Meanwhile, sam isnt at fault for everything that happened as he couldnt have known that killing Lilith would break the seal and he was being majorly manipulated while dealing with an addiction, but he did have choices. He had a lot, actually. And he knew that he was messing with some bad shit and continued anyway. Again, it doesnt make sam a bad person or anything because there was a lot going on that he couldnt control, but hes not conpletely blameless like I think dean is.
yeahh definitely. honestly i fucking hated the angels so much after season 4 and 5
@@lorraine4786 That's ridiculous. You cant blame one brother and let the other brother off.
@@WillPutYouInYourPlace12386 did you even read what I said? How can you not realize the major difference in agency that each brother had in their situation? Dean had absolutely no agency while Sam had a lot. I even admitted in my explanation that a lot was also out of sams control and he was majorly manipulated, but that doesnt change the fact that he had agency while dean had none. You blaming dean for his part is actually terrible and ridiculous. It is majorly victim blaming and legitimizes deans guilt over the situation, which is terrible. It reminds me of people agreeing with sexual assault survivors when they say they had any responsibility for what happened to them. Or when people have survivors guilt. You NEVER blame the victim for what others have done to them.
Nathan lives in his own fantasy land where supernatural shows even teenn wolf cannot be compared with real life, mean while everyone else is just trying to relate to the show in a more realistic way, like how the demon blood is a metaphor for drug addicts, turning on a full moon having a blood lust maybe a metaphor for anger issues, Nathan will never understand that
It's very obvious that the writers wrote Sam's demon blood addiction as a way for the viewer to sympathize and/or empathize with him. I can understand a lot of the supernatural stuff not being relatable, but Sam's addiction is easily one of the most grounded subplots of the show.
What we not going to do is say Dean was never there for Sam when even Sam himself has said Dean was always there for him. Just because Dean wasn't checking up on Sam when he was in college, John had finally stepped up and decided to do it himself, doesn't mean Dean wasn't there for him. If I'm not mistaken, Dean didn't even try to convince Sam to stay with him and John instead of going to college because he knew that's what Sam wanted to do. So how is that not Dean being there for Sam? And Dean didn't choose John over Sam. Sam chose to go to college to not only get an education and have a normal life, but to get away from his family. Dean chose to stay behind and continue hunting with John because he accepted that hunting was his life. However, Sam never told Dean to go to college with him and leave John behind, unlike the Ruby situation where Dean told Sam he would follow his lead and go with him to kill Lilith as long as Ruby wasn't involved. Sam fought Dean and chose Ruby. Now you can say that part of that was the demon blood, and yes, his demon blood addiction was portrayed just like any other addiction, but it was still Sam's choice. Also, Dean has a right to feel the way he is feeling. Demon blood or not, manipulation or not, Dean feels betrayed by Sam because as he put it Sam was the one person he could count on the most. On top of that, it's the things Sam was doing behind Dean's back that has caused Dean to lose trust in Sam. It hurt Dean to say that to his little brother cause that's something that he thought he would've never had to say to him. And despite Sam understanding where Dean was coming from, it also hurt him to hear his big brother say that to him.
Anyway, here's some of my thoughts and things I noticed in this episode:
1. It's ironic that Sam and Dean were saved via plane knowing that Dean has aerophobia, but I'm sure he would rather be on that plane than in that room with Lucifer.
2. It took me rewatching this episode again to realize that Becky was writing Wincest fanfiction...GROSS!!!! (And no offense to anybody out there who writes Wincest fanfiction or supports Wincest, do you, but that's just not for me).
3. I'm glad Bobby cleared that up to Sam that the demon was the one talking about cutting him off because Sam really needed to hear that. However, I feel like Sam and Dean should already know that no matter what they do, and they do a lot of stupid sh*t, that Bobby would always keep them around.
4. Dean finding out he is THE vessel for Michael was the standout moment along with Lucifer getting his vessel. And in my other comment on the last reaction, I pointed out that there was foreshadow when Dean and Zachariah was talking in front of a portrait (in the portrait was Michael killing Lucifer).
Sidenote: I love how y'all went from talking about Sam's demon blood addiction to wrestling (big time wrestling fan here and Triple H is my fave, definitely put him above a lot of the ones y'all named, except for maybe 2 or 3 of them). It's this type of unpredictable content that keeps me around (and my love for Supernatural).
why do people wincest? i hate it so much, they're so gross for that. this is offense to anyone who ships it.
No davion is right tho. Dean has always been protecting Sam and put his life above his own. Since s3 dean has constantly told sam not to trust ruby and that he’s manipulating him but he never listened. Dean told sam not to use his powers and again sam didn’t listen. Like dean sold his soul and went to hell for sam and when sam had the chance to choose he chose demon over his own brother and caused the rise of Satan which will cause a bunch of people to die. And I get sam was manipulated and have demon blood but it’s partly his fault!!! Excuse dean if he wants some space after his own bro chose a demon over him. LIKE WHAT?!
I feel bad for Nathan. He’s in a house full of idiots. All Davion did was just keep dismissing him and spouting bs. You literally can not compare real world afflictions to a supernatural affliction. We literally see that the demon blood is influencing his body and mind to cause him to do this stuff and that is a fact. If you wanted to get into headcanon territory then we could even take a guess and say that Ruby laced her blood to make Sam that way. It would make perfect sense for her too and it would be easy for her too as she also was a witch.
But either way, Sam couldn’t help himself. If Sam never had the demon blood in him, he would have just been far more open to listening to Dean. But from Dean calling him a monster and just pushing him away, it pushed Sam to rely on the manipulation of the demon blood making him depend on it which got him even more hooked.
And notice that Sam chose a demon because Dean kept pushing him away and again Sam wasn’t thinking straight because he was turning into a demon
@@demontiming3234 Sam got hooked while Dean was in hell, the entire crusade against Lilith was just an excuse for more blood. It cracks me up how Sam stans come out and go after Dean for being mildly upset about Sam starting the freaking apocalypse THE DAY AFTER it happened 🤣 like oh that mean Dean rose his voice once in the episode, what a bully. It’s absurd
@@demontiming3234 “spouting bs, house full of idiots” it’s a show and they’re discussing the characters. They’re friends, it’s not that serious. Don’t come on their page then ..
Like I said in my post, I understand that Sam was being manipulated and that he has demon blood and he’s being pulled to the bad side. All that mostly happened in s4. Sam has never listened to any Dean’s advice and decision, since he was little. and yes, dean always saying stuff he doesn’t mean when he’s upset and ik he’s wrong for that. My point was understanding why dean wants some space after his brother chose a demon over him after CONSTANTLY WARNING AND TELLING him not to do certains things for years bc it will lead to bad things which is exactly what happened. He’s allowed to feel that way and wanting some space. Goddamn
@@demontiming3234 Sam literally admits that it wasn't the demon blood it was his choices in this season.
I think y’all miss the part where Dean is taking no blame for also having a part in starting the apocalypse. I don’t know what it is about you Dean fans but apparently he can never do no wrong. Deans a hypocrite and he proves that throughout the whole series.
What we need to remember is the apocalypse was all of Team Free Will's fault. Dean broke the first seal unknowingly. Sam killed Lilith not knowing she was the final seal but Cas let Sam out of the panic room in the first place. It was a group effort not even adding the fact that the angels and demons would have found some other way to start this cause they all wanted it to happen. They even changed Sam's voicemail from Dean to push him to kill Lilith even more.
Just because what sam did can or even should b understood doesn’t just erase the pain that Dean feels about the betrayel..He has a right to b hurt by it..just cause a drug addict is on drugs doesnt take away the pain of their action while on said drugs.
shoutout to nathan for defending my boy
Nathan would never admit to be wrong lmaooo
So pumped for y’all to see season 5!! My favorite reaction channel for all the shows you guys watch! Started watching for Supernatural episode 1 and stayed for all the other show reactions because you guys are so funny! Keep up the amazing content!
Yo let’s go! I love this season and it has one of my favorite side characters introduced. Thanks for the early birthday present guys (it’s on Tuesday if you’re planning on any Teen Wolf or Supernatural 😉).
My birthday is on Tuesday too!!
Happy early birthday to y’all
@@windsong2212 Happy early birthday! 🥳 I don’t know about you, but I’m about to be old 😆
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Tuesdays they react to Teen Wolf and Cobra Kai so it looks like you’ll get your present early!! Happy birthday btw!
Meg's THE best daemon. this actress kills it. best lines, best delivery, best wit.
Dean: if there's anything worth dying for, it's this
Cas: actually, you know what? I completely agree
Cas: *dies for it*
Dean: wait, no-
Also, Dean calling Cas his friend for the first time!
One: Congrats!!! Made it to season 5! Yay!!!
Second: I love Bobby!!! “I ain’t cutting you out, boy. Not ever.” So sweet Bobby’s their father no one can change My mind!!!
THIRD: HOW!?!! hasn’t any one commented on Nathan’s hoodie!?!? I LOVE IT!!! Speaking of family.
“Ohana means family and family means nobody gets left behind…or forgotten.” :)
The fact that Cameron has such googlie eyes for Meg that he’s sooo happy she tastes like peanut butter because he likes peanut butter too :D :D
Ohh Nathan. Sorry No, Davion won that. Dean didnt choose his Dads side. Dean just stayed with his Dad. It was SAMs choice to leave them both. And Dean of course sees Sam choosing Ruby as a betrayal. How many times did he ask Sam not to do it. And Sam chose Ruby every time. Addicted to demon blood or not.. of course Deans gonna take that personally! Sam left him again!
Love the passionate discussions guys lol 🖤
this new actress for Meg was soo good!
Nathan was too toxic today. It's ok if you love Sam but you just can't justify every bad action he does.
First of all, Dean didn't choose John over Sam, he chose the type of life he wanted to live as same as Sam did. While Sam decided he wanted to go to college and have a normal and happy life in the future, Dean chose to keep hunting and find the thing that killed his mom so he could make justice for her. John just happened to want the same thing Dean wanted, that's why they stayed together. Although is not like they were a happy little family of two going on hunts and covering each other's backs. Dean was not a kid anymore when Sam left so he started to go hunting alone. He literally spend more time on his own than with his dad in all those years Sam was at college. If Dean would have "chose Sam", he would have had to go to college and live a life he didn't want to live. Would that have been fair? So in order to always stick around Sam he would have had to give up on his own wishes to comply his brother? Hadn't he give up enough for Sam already? He gave up his childhood for his brother as he had to grow up faster and be the father, mother and brother Sam needed as John was not there with them most of the time. He tried to keep Sam out of the hunting life and give Sam as much of a normal childhood as he could even tho it was almost impossible under the circumstances they live on, all that while carrying all the weight of the hunting life on his own. He had to lie to his brother, be tough, steal things so they could survive when they ran out of money risking himself of being caught and beat up for his actions or be thrown to the cops.
He did enough for Sam, he deserved to choose this one thing that would literally define his whole future. He could've stopped Sam from going to school but he didn't. He respected his decision because he understood that was what Sam wanted the most as same as Sam respected Dean's desire to keep hunting. I would say more of that night that Sam left for college but it would be a spoiler so I won't, just know that Dean was not happy at all to be separated from Sam but he accepted it either way because that was what Sam wanted.
Second of all, it's true that the brothers were manipulated in all this mess. While Dean was being manipulated by angels, Sam was being manipulated by demons. We get that. But it all came out out of choices.
Dean chose to stop being slaughtered and start torturing others because he was too broken and tired from all that pain demons inflicted on him. That's how the first seal was broken. Here, he was not exactly being manipulated, he was just in hell being tortured as all the other souls in there were because they sold their souls in the first place. One could say Dean had it coming, it's what he "paid for". He knew what would happen when the hell hounds take him to hell but he did the deal anyway because he just couldn't live without Sam. And although I don't blame Dean for breaking the first seal because it was understandable that he would break eventually after so much torture, it still was his choice. Of course, he didn't know what that choice would cause so he really can't be blamed for anything. I'm sure if he would've known, he would've never said yes to Alastair in the first place.
Sam, on the other hand, let himself be manipulated by Ruby. He knew he had demon blood in him, he knew that that eventually would turn him evil according to what John told Dean, he knew he could get dangerous if he chose that path and that's why Dean's orders were "save him or kill him if you can't", he knew what was he destined to become because Azazel told him about his plans for him, he knew Dean tried everything he could to prevent him from choosing that path, he promised Dean he would never go that way right before he was killed by the hell hounds, he knew the risks but he did it anyway.
Yes, he was heartbroken and vulnerable when Ruby found him, but he still made a promise to Dean. It was literally Dean's death wish for Sam to not give into what Ruby wanted for him, but he didn't care, he was blinded by fury, that's true, but at the end of the day, it was his choice to start drinking demon blood. So since the very beginning, he chose a demon instead of his brother. He chose to listen to Ruby instead of Dean. He broke his promise to Dean because of Ruby. He was being lied, yes, but it still was his choice.
After that, of course, he became an addict pretty quickly because demon blood is inmensely powerful and too hard to resist after trying it, that's why when Dean came back he kept choosing Ruby instead of listening to Dean, Bobby, Cass, Chuck, Anna and Pamela when they told him again and again he was choosing the wrong path. You can still blame him or not for all the wrong things he did when being under the demon blood influence, but the truth is you shouldn't because Sam was not really Sam then. He wasn't in his right mind. That's why he shouldn't really be blamed for breaking the last seal either, because he really thought he was saving the world by killing Lilith. His intentions were always good despite the influence of the demon blood that was meant to turn him evil and dangerous. But is that first time he decided to drink it that's to blame. That was 100% Sam. He knew how dangerous that path was but he chose to walk it either way.
Third of all, Dean has every right to feel hurt. Up until then, Dean always did the best to protect Sam, always stayed by his side (except for those 4 years of Sam in college, which the first two of them, they still kept in contact I might add, and in which John went to check on him every week and most probably told Dean after that Sam was doing okay as I'm sure Dean asked him how Sam was), gave his freaking life for Sam. And all he asked for Sam, was to listen and trust in him. Which Sam didn't. And here I'm not talking about listening to Dean after being under the demon blood influence, I'm talking about before he chose to drink it. And Sam understands that and he's sorry for it. For everything. He knows he hurt and dissapointed Dean and that's why he doesn't fight back when Dean gives him that speech. Dean is not really mad at Sam for breaking the last seal, he's mad because Sam didn't listen. Because Sam didn't choose him first. Because, in his eyes, after everything Dean has done for him, Sam seems to not care. After everything Dean gave up for him, the word of a demon weights more than his to his brother. That's what hurts him. To know that Sam could say "jump with me" and he will do it in a heartbeat but if it's the other way around, Sam would most probably let him jump alone.
So yes, Dean feelings are valid.
Yes, Sam chose a demon before his brother.
No, neither of the brothers are to blame for breaking the seals and releasing Lucifer. No matter what would be said in next episodes, they are not and that's it.
literally this whole comment! speaking the mf truth! 🙌🏾🙌🏾
God damn you typed 3 pages
Literally what? You just literally said sam let himself be manipulated like that isn't the whole point of manipulation😂 Sam broke the seal thinking he was ending it. The angels wanted the apocalypse and made them believe that killing Lilith would stop it. It isn't either of their faults. For someone who's calling Nathan toxic for defending Sam, you're acting really hypocritical. Stop putting Dean on a pedestal. They both make mistakes but they never have bad intentions. Most of your arguments don't make sense at all and are just your biased opinions. It's a show. Relax
@@Caramelletje literally what? This is what happens when you don't read the whole thing, you start talking nonsense. If you don't wanna read all of it, at least go to the final paragraph where I say and I quote "neither of the brothers are to blame for releasing Lucifer, no matter what would be said in next episodes". I'm not blaming Sam for breaking the last seal. I'm blaming him for choosing a demon over his brother when Dean specifically told him not to do it. He knew the risks, he knew what was Dean's death wish and he didn't care, he still chose the dangerous path, he chose Ruby. And even tho that was 100% Sam's choice, I know he was not in his right mind as he was blinded by anger and grief for losing his brother. Anyway, whatever Sam did AFTER drinking demon blood is not to be blamed. He was under the influence of that thing so it was not the real and authentic Sam. I don't know where am I putting Dean in a pedestal here? All I was doing was stating facts. I know Dean made mistakes throught out all his life, he's no saint. But as same as he isn't, neither is Sam. They both are flawed and that's the beauty of their characters. I love them both with warts and all.
Yeah, it's really obvious at this point that because Sam is Nathan's favorite character, he's going to side with him on everything.
Sam knew what he was doing was wrong and could mess him up, but he thought it was the only way to save the world.
Even if they couldn't be other ways even if was to save the world he still chose to like do bad things it was all his decision
nathan when ava came on the show she said when she first got her powers she could only do premonitons but when she started killing people by her own choice she gave in to her powers and could control demons sam could have premonitions at the beginnings and then when dean died regardless of the demon blood inside him he choose to give in to it and he became stronger and then was offered demon blood to drink from ruby to increase his power just like anakin skywalker and just like anakin at the end before he killed lilith he could have stopped and not killed her but he didnt and did it anyway and it wasnt the demon blood doing it it was all him
Wrong but you Dean fans are usually ignorant and blame Sam for everything so I’m not gonna even bother explaining.
@@WillPutYouInYourPlace12386I mean not really everybody knows Dean messes up being himself wants to kill himself every seasons because of how many guilt that he has. I just don't like how people always do this thing where they always picking sides instead of realizing that they both f***** up. It's not about big fans it's about the characters and in this season everybody knows Sam is so addicted to blood that he would literally do anything even if he realizes it's wrong.
Season 5 is definitely one of the best seasons
I like how people that hate Sam don't seem to understand addiction and manipulation at all. What he did was bad but they act like it was on purpose LOL.
Spoiler:
For realsies, I like Demon blood Sam, at least he is using a power for good. He could be King of Hell if he never killed Lilith, and after the Men of Letters, he could be a mage... but nah... he never uses spells to fight supernatural things.
yes but that doesnt mean dean doesnt have a reason to be hurt.
@@profAMuniz the demon blood was turning him and making him worse definitely would’ve been a dark path
@Khali Maybe but it’s not fair to put all the blame on Sam when Dean also had a part is starting the apocalypse. But oh no Dean never thinks he does anything wrong and always blames it on everyone around him.
@@WillPutYouInYourPlace12386 that’s literally the exact opposite of what Dean does.
I need this, 2 times a week 😂 Love the reactions and drama afterwards
the youngsters were beating around the bush in this debate lol. Demon blood gave him a sense of control, something that was torn from his childhood. He lost Dean and he was vulnerable, so Ruby had her hooks in quickly. Consuming the power was unwise, but he assumed he was being damned so he wanted to redirect "the curse" to short term gains. The type of power Sam was given corrupts without fail.
Freaking love Cas! Sucks that he has to kill his brothers and sisters.
I say down with his brother and sisters most of them anyway 💀 his conflict in belief makes me feel bad
They didn't have time to convince any of them. And none of the others had connections to humans like Cas.
I do not blame Sam for releasing Lucifer. That was pure manipulation and addiction. He still made choices that broke down the relationship between Sam and Dean, that opened the door to the manipulation. Dean wasn't perfect and some of his actions led to openings that Ruby used, but Sam made some majorly bad decisions. We saw Sam's process. He wanted to feel like the strong big brother, be independent, judged Dean for his struggles and the idea he could defeat Lillith gave him that. He also wanted to protect Dean. There were good motives and not so good motives. No evil ones. They did mirror it off of real addictions, and both brothers did have a choice. If they had walked away, or devoted themselves to fighting together without supernatural creatures, they could have avoided it. They would have gone through terrible things, but... Sam had a dormant addiction, a predilection for demon blood, from getting it as a baby, like an inherited lean toward alcoholism. He wasn't forced to drink it, and we saw him resist. Then he made a choice to start. He wasn't uncontrollably addicted until then. His choices up till then were influenced by Ruby, but they were entirely his own.
The Dean and Sam college... no, just no. The only way to argue he chose John is he may have discouraged Sam more than he should have, but the idea that he would leave huntingand go just live in California while Sam did school is weird and codependent, even for them. I do think Sam and Dean fought over Sam going, and so Dean felt uncomfortable "bugging" Sam, and Sam not calling just made Dean assume it was true Sam wanted the distance. Sam probably felt like he betrayed Dean and didn't call out of guilt or shame. Misunderstanding, not abandonment by either. Dean would not have been angry because of choosing John though. He wanted the best for Sam. His biggest fear is abandonment though, and the thought of Sam leaving would be extremely traumatic. Unfortunately this fear and reactions to it clearly caused the worst to happen and he lost contact for 4 years.
Dean has every right to feel and express what he did in this episode. As hard as it was for Sam and us to hear, it is one 9f their healthiest communications, because he stated his feelings clearly no passive aggressive comments (at that point) and no yelling. Addiction is not a blank slate for avoiding blame and consequences. It is context for your actions. Dean has every right to take time to process and deal with the hurt Sam caused. There is more to say, but clearly laying out the points might cause me to pull from future relationship points, so will leave it here.
You can argue about which brother started the apocalypse all day, one things for sure, it wasn't Adam. R.I.P.
I think Dean has the right to be upset and not trusting Sam RIGHT NOW.
Idk these guys need to see the middle grown more. As a Dean fan I think Dean as all right to be upset and I also understand Sam thought he was saving the world .
You Dean fans also need to see that Dean also had a hand in starting the apocalypse. Stop putting all the blame on Sam. Dean needs to stop constantly making it all Sams fault. He does that throughout the whole series.
Remember Cas told Jimmy just a few episodes ago that this was it for him? “I wanna make sure you understand. You won't die or age. If this last year was painful for you, picture a hundred, a thousand more like it.”
Cas was wrong. Jimmy’s dead now, his soul couldn’t survive when Raphael ripped the vessel apart on a subatomic level. Just a few episodes, and bye bye Jimmy
Jimmy is still in there, we get confirmation in 5x14
The way y‘all always argue in the intro of SPN reactions is so funny 😭😭
Nathan, no. Nobody manipulated Sam. That was the beauty of it. It was all HIS CHOICE. Every step of the way Sam CHOSE the wrong path each and every time. After the warnings, after being told by multiple people that he was going down the wrong path. Sam wanted to be powerful. He wanted to be the special one.
yep, exactly! Like how many times he told people that Dean won't have any power to finish off Lilith, to Edlund, to angels, to demons, to Bobby, to Dean's own face. He kept saying that he was the only capable one, he got so obsessed that he didn't want to listen to anybody
it's more complicated than sam only making his own choices. he was manipulated. constantly. when multiple people are telling you that lillith needs to be killed to stop the apocalypse when that's not the truth, that is manipulation. both sam and dean were operating under the knowledge that in order to stop the seals from breaking and from lucifer from rising, lillith needed to be killed. sam was just doing it the way he thought was the only way to do it. ruby used sam's desire for revenge, coming to him when he was drunk and emotionally vulnerable after dean's death, and his desire to not kill more possessed people to get him strong enough to kill lillith. literal manipulation and emotional abuse. so yeah, sam did make his choices, but they were all influenced by ruby's manipulation. there's also truth to him probably liking the power. which is fine. that's why it's a complicated issue and a way more nuanced and interesting layer to sam than just him deciding he liked power. no -- that's only a small part of it.
Dean didn't chose. Sam never gave him a choice. Sam went to Stanford cutting John AND Dean off. Sam cut Dean off. Dean said himself in the pilot.
Sam: Dean, what the hell are you doing here?
Dean: I was looking for a beer.
Sam: What the hell are you doing here?
Dean: Okay, all right. We gotta talk.
Sam: Uh, the phone?
Dean: If I'd have called, would you have picked up?
is no one gonna talk about Bobby killing the demon that was literally INSIDE HIM?? that man is the mvp, when he dies (which im assuming he eventullly will because im only on s5), i will try tears of whiskey
Nathan mad stays defending Sam at all costs but the second Davion tries to defend Dean, suddenly he’s being “unfair” to Sam. Even Chuck said “Come on, drinking blood. You gotta know that’s wrong.” Not to mention Sam resisted Ruby’s plan to begin with and he let her manipulate her because he was hurt but it was still his choice. He was in the wrong. Nathan does not understand nuance sometime it’s seems. Still love him, but he got some flaws. Just like all these characters he tries to defend at the expense of his vocal cords.😂❤ Like, you’re telling me the blood of a demon is stronger than an actual demon? Because both John and Bobby were able to go against the wishes of the demons possessing them to protect the boys.
i mostly agree with the takes being critical of either of the brothers (specifically sam, even though i’d defend him with my life any other time), but i feel like sam’s downfall being entwined with pride is such an oversight of his entire character. sam is self-loathing. sam HATES himself and he hates what he is, he hates that he has no power to save the people who get involved in his life.
being the one to kill lilith was never an ego trip. dean died, ruby latched onto sam’s lust for revenge the moment that she could, then fed him that demon blood and that does matter. sam was going through psychological torture in that panic room until cas let him out, even though he had to have known the first person sam would try and find was ruby.
sam still had more agency when it came to breaking the seal imo, but neither dean OR him knew lilith was the final seal until it was too late. sam had been more than ready to die since season three and not knowing if he would get out of killing her with his own life was the entire reason he insisted it needed to be him. he’s essentially trying to apologize for what he is, what he’s caused, and the demon blood inside of him.
agreed so much with this. the pride thing is a great insight. but it's also just one part of sam this entire season. mixed in with all of the trauma, it's completely understandable the path sam goes down. i wish people had more empathy for it. i think the thing that bugs me about dean in season 4 and 5 is how much he doesn't understand the demon side of sam and calls him a freak multiple times, which just reenforces sam's self hatred. constantly being told that has got to be horrible. i understand, to an extent, why dean says that stuff, but idk how you can call your brother a monster.
I love that Dean had to figure it out, but Sam knew Meg immediately
Man, I hope your neighbors are faaar away. Either that, or super understanding.
Finally the season with six of my top twelve episodes of SPN. Best season, everyone with good taste says so
Oh I'm so excited for them to watch this season. CAM'S FACE WHEN THEY SAID MEG! I knew he would be excited about it and... fantastic.
LUCY IS HERE!!!! Bois get ready for some of the most iconic characters to come to TV! Keep them reactions coming! This is my crack!
I can't wait for Davion to spot Dean's hypocrisy in later seasons. Then when this argument is referenced back he'll have no choice but to either recant his stance or turn on Dean.
Joel West agreed.
Many addicts do terrible things to their family members while under the influence. But they are STILL responsible for them. Especially if they refused help to end said addiction when offered. Plus, Dean didn’t say he hates Sam or anything. Just he can’t pretend everything is fine immediately after a year of constant lies the culminated in a huge betrayal, RIGHT AFTER he spent decades being tortured after sacrificing his life for his brother. It’s understandably too much.
This season gonna be hell of fire
It always gets on my nerves that everyone seems to forget that everyone wanted Lilith dead, including Dean. Dean wanted to kill her too.
Right! Everyone is so ready to just blame Sam for everything because apparently Dean can do no wrong.
I know that's not the problem we all know that Dean wanted to kill her. But I think the problem is that Dean himself said that he would go to kill Lilith with Sam if he left Ruby, I think it adds to the fact that he actively chose Ruby because of the demon blood. Cuz like nobody knew that especially the audience until the end that Lily was the sacrifice. Even Ruby herself said that most majority of the choices was his he just needed a little push then he's stronger than Ruby but he actively chose to be by her side I don't blame him for the demon blood because you know he can't help that.
Exactly like the way sam gets blames for everything seesh
Meg knows to run from an angy Dean
Nathan Lookin CUTE in the stitch hoodie 🌺🌸🥰
There goes Davion’s theory about more Cas, unless he meant more pieces.
About that...
Nathan and Davion's feelings are both valid. Even though Dean is justified to feel the way he does, I was pissed with him too because how was he not understanding that Sam was manipulated? But he got that, which is why he thought he could forgive Sam but then in the back of his mind he remembered Sam chose to believe a demon instead of him. But then to Sam's defense, he was a "junkie" which kind of affected his thinking as well as wanting to do right by saving people and killing Lilith.
But to be fair he was manipulated no doubt about it but him himself said that he had choices but he choose to do it the thing about drugs is they don't control your choices yes they expect the way that you think. But if you choose to kill somebody for drugs that your choice. You can't blame anybody maybe the drugs, for your decisions. All you have to also remember that Sam trusted Ruby way before he was even on demon blood. That was season 3 the first time that they met Ruby and it literally Dean said that we shouldn't trust her.
@@brandyjohnson738 I get you. I know the drugs didn't control him but they did affect him, the more Ruby wanted him to drink the stronger he felt and the more he thought he could help and the more he needed a fix. I'm just saying the demon blood was a big influence but yes he did trust ruby way before
Let’s go season 5 is lit and one of my favorite seasons of supernatural
he's got a ged and a give em hell attitude and he'll figure it out!!
The fact that Dean has a ged does something to my heart.
That's like a 7+ hr test. You gotta pay for that. You gotta schedule it. That's weeks of studying, you gotta _want_ it.
Like, something tells me John forced Dean to skip school/join him on hunts more & more as Dean got older, until Dean eventually fell behind or was forced to drop out entirely
But he then went out of his way to get a ged, to have his certificate to his name
See, even the show knew about Wincest and poked fun at it. Becky the Supernatural stan and fanfic writer.
Demon blood vs tequila. Then somehow we end up debating wrestling matches. I swear I never know where the discussions will go and I love every second of them!! Sorry Nathan but Sam made his bed and now he has to lie in it. I appreciate the passion tho 😆. Cameron, you have to continue screaming tag me in because sometimes Davion will be so into his point he might not see your hand just waiting.
the stitch hoodie be looking great🤩🤩
I’m disagreeing with Nathan here. He said that Dean “chose John over Sam” when obviously it shouldn’t be seen that way. Dean left Sam alone and gave him the chance to live his own life while also sacrificing the life he could have had because he was helping his Dad out. YeahIm just gonna leave it at that.
I’ve been patient to get to this reaction episode because of Cam’s love for Meg (I love her too 😊)
Nathan’s arguments don’t make sense and it’s so annoying 🤦🏾♂️ the demon blood was not controlling Sam he was controlled by the power it gave him, he chose to keep drinking demon blood because he thought it was the best way to kill Lilith. The desire to have enough power to save everyone from Lilith caused him to turn his back on dean and do it his way
Lol, and here I was wondering how they'd gotten those symbols on their ribs! Maybe it's a good thing to rewatch some episodes sometimes.
I honestly don't think that demon blood is an excuse given that we've seen, in this very episode, someone overpower demonic POSSESSION to protect his family. The demon blood definitely further influenced San, but everything he did was his choice in the end. I don't think you can pin EVERYTHING on him and him alone, but I'd say it's at least half his fault, minimum. The writers portrayed demon blood as being an addictive substance to Sam, in the same way meth is to regular people in real life. So I'll hold him to the same standards. I cant say what he did is entirely his fault, but that doesn't mean he gets a free pass for all his mistakes.
Y’all are so funny. I needed to laugh after a long day of work and school 🤣🤣
You can’t blame either of them, dean broke the first seal and is blaming it all on Sam when neither of them knew they where breaking seals, I felt so bad for Sam this season, although my favourite is dean, Sam had it rough this season
Zacharia, an empath, sensing that dean is upset
What was Dean going to do, join Sam in college and live with Sam and Jess in their apartment? lol Being a hunter is the only thing Dean ever knew. It's not just about "siding" with John over Sam. It became his full time job and way of life. Dean wasn't as book smart as Sam growing up, so hunting demons was something he feels like he was destined to do.
When it comes to WWE wrestlers I got to go old school with Randy Orton or The Undertaker. Can I just say, the reaction to Meg 2.0's return was awesome! This episode tells us the real difference between Angels and Demons. Angels need consent to possess a person, but they will do everything in their power to get what they want including manipulation. Demons just take what they want and they don't care.
The best thing about Sam and Dean is no matter how much they disagree with each other, or how much they fight, they always have each other's back and are always there for each other. So happy you guys made it to season 5! Probably the best season of the series! So much is gonna happen and come out. Great reaction guys! Gonna be a fantastic ride!💜
The reason this show works so well is because we can relate and the issues resonate with us. We can understand the feeling of betrayal and hurt knowing an addict, even though we understand that there is an underlying medical disorder. So Davion is very right but watching Supernatural literally is possible too. So you are all right, you are just absorbing the story differently.
You’ll enjoy Mark Pellegrino as Lucifer. He’s a hell of an actor.
I live for the rants in the beginning. Love you guys and love your reactions
If we're not comparing it to any type of real life drugs then this is what you need to think about.
Sam was given demon blood as an infant. That stuff stays in his system throughout his life. When he started drinking demon blood, it was because someone he THOUGHT he could trust, was telling him it was the only way.
You have to remember, the Sam and Dean dynamic is toxic as is. Dean always protecting Sam so much so that Dean doesn't allow Sam to make decisions. This was the first time Sam felt responsibility to make everything better. Sam wanted to prove to Dean that he could make good decisions for the both of them.
Sam was manipulated by Ruby as well as MANY other Demons which you will meet in later episodes. Although Sam did have the choice, he THOUGHT his choice was the right one.
I mean really, who would've thought that killing Lilith was a bad thing?
Dean has a right to be angry, but it is NOT all on Sam. And you'll find out in later episodes as well, Sam is really not the only one to blame here.
Guys season 5 is a amazing ride!!! Enjoy the show!!!🖤🖤🖤
Sam's not the only one who was manipulated And no the blood wasn't turning Sam into a demon. Centuries in hell does that.
The fact that Sam was manipulated doesn’t mean Dean has to be ok with it. Sam was aware of every decision made throughout the whole process; He had a choice.
Also, Sam left. He left Dean and his dad. He left his family. Why should dean be blamed for choosing to stay when he doesn’t even have any interest in school?
I don’t blame Dean for not trusting Sam anymore. Sam left him before, and now, trusted a Demon over him, his family. That’s just fucked. I won’t be able to trust him too. He’s selfish and mind you, his intension were not all good that good. Because I remember, last season he told Dean “why can’t it be me for once”. In fact, I think he just wants to be the hero, when it’s suppose to be a teamwork. 🤦🏾♀️
Davion’s reaction to the bloody bed reminds me of the Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark, Bloody Fingers
Both of them have made mistakes so I do not necessarily blame either of them but in this moment Dean is entitled to feel hurt and let down. His head knows Sam was manipulated but his heart hurts because Sam did not trust him.
100% THE most important this is what Castiel did! His rebellion changed everything. EVERYTHING
Sam had a choice to drink blood and NOT drink blood, he chose to drink demon blood. Davion is right about this here.
davion spitting facts time and time again bc the demon blood is literally a mirror of addiction. its just like family members not wanting to trust their addicted family members anymore that isnt wrong of them that is a normal valid human reaction sam literally acted as a crackhead in s4. it doesnt matter if sam was manipulated or not he still made the choices and dean can still be mad like dean loves sam dean knows he didnt mean to hurt him and he doesnt want to upset him but tbh dean has EVERRYYY right to be upset because of what happened
like you HAVE to make connections to understand things demon blood OBVIOUSLY doesnt seem to have enough of a difference from cocaine or tequila that nathan thinks it does because everyone compares sams addiction to real life addictions like youd think that if people compare these two things time and time again everyone would agree that its a mirror of something else (i still respect ur opinion nathan i love the sam stan energy but u r dead wrong here)
The demon blood is just a mark. Even yellow eyed said that. The blood gave Sam extra abilities but to use those abilities is Sam's choice.
Literally all of ‘Justus’ : LETS GO SAM.
Sam: *Bonk*
Season 5 is otp😭✋🏻 so excited for your reactions🔥
I usually just make my comment and go, but unfortunately, I made the mistake of going through the comment section and honestly, I regret it. I knew the comment section would be more and more toxic as the episodes are posted, but holy hell. Do y'all even watch the show or is it more about making your fave look good while wearing blinders and, in the process, creating false narratives and making excuses upon excuses? Neither Sam or Dean are perfect, and they both have made mistakes (some with damaging consequences). However, let me clear up some things that's constantly said regarding Sam and Dean that I've seen that's not true, and yes everyone has their own interpretation, but opinion should never trump facts:
1. "Dean always blames everyone for everything, and he thinks he never does anything wrong." This shows me that you don't pay much attention to Dean at all. When did he blame anyone for anything? Where does he say or act like he never does anything wrong? When he found out he put the apocalypse in motion by torturing souls in Hell, did he not feel guilty immediately? Did he not tell Castiel he should have left him in Hell? Did he not feel like he let God and John down? Did he blame Sam, Castiel, or Bobby for what he did? No. Therefore, this isn't a man who thinks he's flawless or blameless. And at the end of this episode, he doesn't blame Sam for starting the apocalypse, he blames him for ego tripping, for being hardheaded, for trusting a demon over him. So again, Dean's not acting like he didn't do anything or that he has no fault in anything.
2. "Sam and Dean both should get blamed for starting the apocalypse not just Sam." Yes and no. Yes, they both broke the first and last seals. No because there's a difference in their situations. I said this on another reaction video, Dean doesn't get blamed for setting the apocalypse in motion, aside from Zachariah throwing it in his face, because he had no free will and he had no idea about the seals. How was he to know that if he started torturing souls that he would then set the apocalypse in motion? Dean was the victim in this situation, sadly, at times, this fandom loves to victim blame Dean, but acknowledging that he broke the first seal is fine. However, trying to place blame on him for doing so and the things that occurred after makes no sense. Now, Sam he had free will and made his choices. Albeit, he was being manipulated by Ruby, he was battling with a demon blood addiction, and he had good intentions. But the reason he gets most of the blame is because of his ego. He thought he was the savior when he was really the destroyer. He also had Dean, Pamela, and Chuck warning him about his powers and the demon blood. So, Sam is somewhat a victim in his situation just not to the point where he is blameless.
3. "Sam didn't do any of this on purpose. He's not a bad person." Who said any of this? As I said in the previous paragraph, Sam had a lot of things surrounding his situation, but he does have some accountability in it. He made the choice to follow Ruby and to continue drinking demon blood even though he said himself it made him feel different. Does this make Sam a bad person? No. Does this mean he did what he did on purpose? No. But you can't just say it was the manipulation and addiction.
Anyway, I'm sure there's more ridiculous things this fandom has said, but this is what I've seen thus far. And before anyone wants to come at me with their pitchforks, I love both Sam and Dean and I understand both Sam and Dean's sides of things, but in this case, Sam is looking the least sympathetic between the two.
I think if Davion met Jensen in real life he would be Becky 😂😂
But what I do have is a GED in the Give'em hell attitude.
"The only person who could beat him is Cas" Davion spitting straight facts like always ❤