Nonfunctional Harmony in Chrono Trigger

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  • @opsimathics
    @opsimathics 7 лет назад +2420

    I thought this was going to be some aspergers BS overanalysis, and it was, but at the same time it taught me music theory and notation which I don't know, and now I'm a little less of an ignorant idiot

    • @michaelsmith3533
      @michaelsmith3533 7 лет назад +37

      opsimathics lmfao

    • @isthattrue
      @isthattrue 7 лет назад +250

      You're still an idiot, but a little less ignorant. :D

    • @Arexion5293
      @Arexion5293 7 лет назад +446

      Overanalysis? This is just basic music analysis.

    • @RohannvanRensburg
      @RohannvanRensburg 7 лет назад +295

      Yeah this is pretty basic music analysis, unless you deem the vast majority of musical study "aspergers"-y.

    • @InVINCEab13
      @InVINCEab13 7 лет назад +17

      Arexion5293 aren't you fucking smart

  • @ToxicxEternity
    @ToxicxEternity 7 лет назад +968

    somebody once told me there's a secret in this forestttt

  • @prolo6309
    @prolo6309 7 лет назад +1107

    Fun fact: The music composer for Chrono Trigger made some of the soundtrack sound like melodies he hears in his dreams.

    • @GuillaumeDrolet
      @GuillaumeDrolet 6 лет назад +120

      haha I wish I heard melodies in my dreams. that must be amazing

    • @dawex2384
      @dawex2384 6 лет назад +41

      Guillaume Drolet deadass that would be wavy

    • @NotSoProishNoob
      @NotSoProishNoob 6 лет назад +50

      I actually once made a track based on a melody in my dreams. It was trippy but it was really awesome.

    •  6 лет назад +7

      @@GuillaumeDrolet You can experiment with sleep paralysis to do so :O qualiacomputing.com/2019/01/06/dream-music/

    • @MerkhVision
      @MerkhVision 5 лет назад +6

      Thats amazing, I didnt know he did that. Thats actually happened to me before as well, its really cool

  • @TheImpolitelad
    @TheImpolitelad 7 лет назад +464

    The greatest part of all of this is the work that was put into it all. The composer put his career on the line demanding a project from his boss or he would quit. His boss gave him all of Chrono Trigger. Mitsuda worked until he passed out, writing some songs in his sleep. By the end he was hospitalized with stomach ulcers.

    • @DeathBringer769
      @DeathBringer769 6 лет назад +112

      Well, it's one of the best soundtracks of all time, not even limited to just video games. It really paid off in the end, lol.

    • @treyshawnbeats
      @treyshawnbeats 5 лет назад +102

      lol this guy works so hard he shits blood
      "Following Chrono Trigger, Mitsuda composed the soundtrack for Front Mission: Gun Hazard, again with Uematsu. According to Uematsu, Mitsuda again worked so much that he eventually defecated blood out of stress and physical problems." (wiki)

    • @TheAnomaly00
      @TheAnomaly00 5 лет назад +63

      @@treyshawnbeats jesus that is Spongebob Squarepants levels of dedication and work addiction

    • @Potato-Eye
      @Potato-Eye 5 лет назад +21

      If he shits blood after work he should stop letting men do that to his shitter

    • @dancingsocrates9491
      @dancingsocrates9491 3 года назад +24

      Well that's kind of sad. Working yourself to near death wouldn't be a badge of honor

  • @teohyc
    @teohyc 6 лет назад +201

    The music is so good people are still listening, remixing and covering it decades later. I dare to say hundreds of years later too.

    • @zookkkk
      @zookkkk 4 года назад +2

      disagree, i am going to scream now because internet

    • @stevanthewise7240
      @stevanthewise7240 3 года назад +1

      lmao saying that sure is a dare

    • @tfwnoyandere
      @tfwnoyandere 7 месяцев назад

      yep

    • @Monogrammaton
      @Monogrammaton Месяц назад

      hundreds of years later: "but the future refused to change..."

  • @KyleHohn
    @KyleHohn 8 лет назад +2397

    10:35, that's not the original melody, is it? Then again, I ain't the sharpest tool in the shed.

    • @MrHidan30
      @MrHidan30 8 лет назад +335

      True, but I did lose my shit for a moment after hearing it.

    • @igordemelo4128
      @igordemelo4128 8 лет назад +52

      the pentatonic one, right?

    • @luiishu535
      @luiishu535 8 лет назад +132

      "Then again, I ain't the sharpest tool in the shed." It's All Star by Smash Mouth. xD

    • @sleeparrow4375
      @sleeparrow4375 8 лет назад +215

      your ears are probably just not used to how high quality that rip is.

    • @NarCoocoobrainTeam
      @NarCoocoobrainTeam 7 лет назад +119

      That part fucking killed me

  • @ichaukan
    @ichaukan 6 лет назад +94

    Being a band geek during the mid to late 90's, and always trying to figure out how to play things by ear, I always wondered why I loved Chrono Trigger's soundtrack so much and yet found it so damn difficult to follow out.
    You, sir, have my utmost respect.

  • @hanschristiaanhylkema
    @hanschristiaanhylkema 7 лет назад +143

    Finally someone who acknowledges the technical ingenuity of retro game composers. In my mind many composers of 8-bit and 16-bit games are on par with the great renaissance composers. Both composed for a very limited number of voices, yet they made the most interesting compositions with it which sound good on almost any instrument. I'm gonna watch a hell of a lot more of these vids and it's an instant subscribe for me!

    • @paulchapman8023
      @paulchapman8023 6 лет назад +11

      Hans Hylkema, historical soundtracks constraints are a spur to creativity, so it makes sense to me that music composed under more constraints such as a more limited number of voices would be more creative with those voices.

    • @fb1767
      @fb1767 Год назад +4

      They are not retro game composers. They are top notch high end game composers. The games did age though.

  • @IRJustman
    @IRJustman 6 лет назад +387

    What's really sad is that Mitsuda's original work is lost to a hard drive crash. We will likely never know what his original work was like, especially given this analysis. I really enjoyed the music as distributed, but I'm always saddened to hear about data loss events like that.

    • @manydelmal
      @manydelmal 5 лет назад +36

      But at least we have his amazing work on Chrono Cross

    • @antcorn738
      @antcorn738 5 лет назад +15

      He worked on Xc2? No wonder all of the music is awesome

    • @JohnDoe-xx7kc
      @JohnDoe-xx7kc 4 года назад +1

      Henever remade his music?

    • @ariyabayat5292
      @ariyabayat5292 2 года назад +13

      @@JohnDoe-xx7kc the original compositions before converting it to the snes

    • @grapesofmath1539
      @grapesofmath1539 Год назад +2

      Spooky Chrono Trigger Prototype music

  • @twelveminusone
    @twelveminusone 7 лет назад +43

    When I was a kid I would get my tape recorder and record songs from video games and force my piano teacher to teach them to me. Most of the songs came from games like the Final Fantasy Series, Castlevania, Lufia II, and Super Mario World. But when I discovered Chrono Trigger my piano teacher was blown away by the complexity. Rather than attempting to explain the theory, we both just learned the fingering. As an aspiring composer myself, this video finally taught me the reasoning behind some of my favorite songs that I've been playing for years and I can't thank you enough. While most of this is still a bit over my head, I'm going to rewatch this and all your other videos. Thanks so much for what you're doing!

  • @Meuterei
    @Meuterei 5 лет назад +336

    The crazy part was, Mitsuda composed this soundtrack when he was 22-23 years old.

    • @DanielHernandez-hg5ey
      @DanielHernandez-hg5ey 5 лет назад +7

      @Lavos i just cant seem to not find you in a chrono trigger video lol

    • @DanielHernandez-hg5ey
      @DanielHernandez-hg5ey 5 лет назад +1

      @Lavos Truer words were never spoke.

    • @DanielHernandez-hg5ey
      @DanielHernandez-hg5ey 5 лет назад +1

      i love to see that as well, and thank you for your contributions

    • @onesyphorus
      @onesyphorus 4 месяца назад

      lol rip to copyrhight@@DanielHernandez-hg5ey

  • @SuperMegaPeanut
    @SuperMegaPeanut 8 лет назад +614

    I DID NOT COME TO THIS VIDEO EXPECTING FUCKING SMASH MOUTH BUT OK

    • @PamelaTaylor
      @PamelaTaylor 7 лет назад +4

      RIGHT RIGHT

    • @nickrogers3624
      @nickrogers3624 7 лет назад +4

      after about the first 4 notes of it I was like, "NO! HE WOULDN'T!" XD
      I am dying laughing here.

  • @Rubberman202
    @Rubberman202 5 лет назад +298

    10:38 - 10:51 I literally had to stop a play back the video to make sure I heard that right.
    Who are you, SiIvaGunner?

    • @rega2391
      @rega2391 5 лет назад +6

      Clever

    • @ficaom16
      @ficaom16 4 года назад +4

      Same dude

    • @acpokefan9742
      @acpokefan9742 4 года назад +11

      Yep. I was like, "Wait, is that All Star?!"

    • @Dunkman545
      @Dunkman545 3 года назад +3

      That's F***in* ALL STAR!!!!!!!!!

    • @extras5164
      @extras5164 3 года назад +1

      Did the writer of all star copy from that??

  • @BackdoorShenanigans
    @BackdoorShenanigans 6 лет назад +11

    As a composer who was largely inspired by Mitsuda and Uematsu in my early years, most of this is stuff I've said before, but it's really nice to hear it said in such a way that is organized and accessible. It's cool to hear someone speak of music in one of these youtube videos that is actually theoretically accurate, but shown and explained in a way that my kid could get. Thanks so much for this!

  • @vinisun9171
    @vinisun9171 7 лет назад +7

    Being a music student at an university an having a difficult time with the harmony classes, your videos make me literally cry with joy. Dealing with my best memories in gaming and all, such an awesome content! You're really helping me out, thanks so much!

  • @mongooseinabox
    @mongooseinabox 7 лет назад +18

    I was watching rock climbing videos when RUclips suggested... this?! Most of it went over my head, but really enjoyed every minute of it. The Chrono Trigger sound track has been my favorite video game soundtrack since childhood, and it was enlightening learning the music theory behind why the soundtrack always sounded so memorable and appealing to my ears. Thank you!

  • @katiegertz6972
    @katiegertz6972 7 лет назад +8

    I feel like I just took an entire college course on nonfunctional harmony. Thank you so much, this will really help my compositions from now on, because I do them by feel and I always get unsure of myself when I stray from functional harmony. Awesome, just lovely, thank you.

  • @MatheusManente
    @MatheusManente 7 лет назад +8

    That was a fantastic video! Thanks for putting it all together! Just as a very small note: Sealed Door, one of the compositions used as an example of Mitsuda's style at 11:28 was actually written by Nobuo Uematsu. =)

  • @RainbowDemon
    @RainbowDemon 3 года назад +10

    10:50 somebody once told me, the world was gonna roll me, I aint the sharpest tool in the she-ed

  • @dewinmoonl
    @dewinmoonl 7 лет назад +113

    god 10:35
    talk about playing with expectations
    we've all been trolled...

  • @joao-visitante
    @joao-visitante 7 лет назад +4

    Have no words to describe how grateful I am for finding your channel bro. Awesome work and analysis!! I've been looking for some challenging music studies for a while, mixing it with games was an amazing gift. Thank you!

  • @insaneintherainmusic
    @insaneintherainmusic 8 лет назад +407

    GREAT video. I played along with all your examples and analyses and they make sense. Here's a thought:
    What if in Secret of the Forest, the Gbma7 chord is analyzed as the bIIma7 (from the parallel Phrygian) in the key of F minor? bIIma7's chord scale would be Lydian (as all borrowed ma7 chords are), and Fmi9 would just be aeolian. Don't know if you looked at it that way, that's what makes the most sense to me.
    Edit: Also, that Ami7 to F#mi7 just seems like modal mixture, with the F#mi7 borrowed from the parallel major.

    • @frajen86
      @frajen86 8 лет назад +32

      the song is in Bb minor. The Gbmaj7 vs. Fm9 is switching between Bb Aeolian and Bb Dorian

    • @insaneintherainmusic
      @insaneintherainmusic 8 лет назад +31

      That makes even more sense. I was thinking it would be in F minor at that point solely based on the fact that the F felt like it was the tonic note, but it also makes sense in the context of Bb minor!

    • @frajen86
      @frajen86 8 лет назад +8

      I based it off the section before the bridge; there's a ii | V (or Vsus | V) that strongly suggests the key is Bbm

    • @The_SOB_II
      @The_SOB_II 8 лет назад +3

      Heyyyyy I loved your Mii channel tune time

    • @james_subosits
      @james_subosits 8 лет назад +3

      Oh, I know who you are! You're the guy that made the Hoenn Jazz album! I love that so much.

  • @bwinters
    @bwinters 3 года назад +5

    I‘m getting back to this video every few months, and everytime I understand more. This makes studying music theory and practicing so rewarding. Thank you :)

  • @NaikoArt
    @NaikoArt 7 лет назад +23

    7:08 this might be one of the most iconic pieces in gaming history, it always gives me chills

  • @humanbass
    @humanbass 6 лет назад +10

    Still boggles my mind how they made this super elaborated song for such a small scenario of the game. I love the very end of it where the piano and bass seems to be on a little elegant battle.

  • @音姫soundprincess
    @音姫soundprincess 8 лет назад +213

    Did you know there is an acid jazz album called The Brink of Time, with the music of Chrono Trigger arranged by the own Mitsuda?

    • @nickwallette6201
      @nickwallette6201 7 лет назад +12

      keixoun The opening track is epic.

    • @PotatoQuality251
      @PotatoQuality251 7 лет назад +15

      No, and thank you !!!

    • @xahdiel8292
      @xahdiel8292 7 лет назад +8

      keixoun I do love that album. Actually the "breakfast" cover it is so not commonly.

    • @rikku2ryoga
      @rikku2ryoga 7 лет назад +2

      I am so glad I read comments ! that's for pointing out that gold i did not discover before :)

    • @Pensive_Scarlet
      @Pensive_Scarlet 7 лет назад +8

      One of the best arranged game soundtracks ever made! Right up there with Secret of Mana Plus and 90s King of Fighters.

  • @WoollyLuke
    @WoollyLuke 6 лет назад +4

    I know little about music theory & can barely read basic notation, but I love your videos. I think I can listen to what you say because your voice is disarming, & you don’t linger much on the complicated nuance; you express your love for them, but then you move on. You actually speak quite smoothly despite these elations & even when you interrupt yourself with backtalk you’re quite brisk about it & keep it moving.
    👍

  • @livvy94
    @livvy94 8 лет назад +36

    Oh my god this is so cool
    As someone who makes chiptunes, but is slightly tired of making covers and wants to branch out into original composition, this is really interesting to watch.

  • @leosabat4636
    @leosabat4636 5 лет назад +17

    this is insane i am studying music and i dont know half of the stuff you just analiise.
    Instant sub

    • @Smoke3380
      @Smoke3380 5 лет назад +2

      It will come with time, practice, and listening. You can do it!! :)

  • @FrankJavCee
    @FrankJavCee 7 лет назад +467

    i absolutely love this video
    🎶💖🎶

  • @MrockDragon99
    @MrockDragon99 7 лет назад

    I am only just now discovering you, but as a music major who just began college and who absolutely loves video game music, this is a treasure trove. Thanks for all the hard work on these videos. They're a joy to watch.

  • @reallifecooking8314
    @reallifecooking8314 8 лет назад +58

    Just found your channel. I WAS gonna go to bed (since its 9:30 and I have jazz band at 5 am), but now its 10:45 and I don't regret anything.

    • @Superphilipp
      @Superphilipp 7 лет назад +9

      Teaching a jazz class at 5am is an oxymoron.

    • @MagnusSkiptonLLC
      @MagnusSkiptonLLC 7 лет назад +18

      The only reason you should be having a jazz lesson at 5 am is if you're planning on going to bed AFTER it.

    • @chungman6167
      @chungman6167 7 лет назад +4

      real life cooking yeah man around 10:45 was my favorite part lol

    • @elementalsteve9029
      @elementalsteve9029 6 лет назад

      relatable

  • @oenwilson2486
    @oenwilson2486 5 лет назад +7

    11:59 just a little jazz reference, Miles Davis's 'So What' uses those same vamp of chords doing a quick swing kind of move from Em9 to Dm9. And then he does an unexpected key change by literally doing the entire riff up a half step, therefore Fm9 and Ebm9.

  • @Ockeroid
    @Ockeroid 7 лет назад +35

    Fantastic video!! Exactly kind of video I have wished existed for years. Learnt so much, please keep doing what you're doing!

  • @TheologyVGM
    @TheologyVGM 2 месяца назад

    To think this was the video that changed my life and made me jump into seriously producing VGM remixes. I'm so glad I stumbled upon it during COVID.
    At the time, I was trying to make it in Mainstream EDM, and every gatekeeper wanted basic music, basic chords, basic melodies, all following "the rules" of the game. I never wanted to do this, and I wanted to write music that spoke to me but didn't necessarily fit into the confines of diatonic theory.
    Watching the section about Secret of the Forest, my favorite song of all time, and seeing how many rules it breaks was so inspiring to me to break out of the mainstream EDM bullshit and the box people were trying to put me in.
    I'm currently referencing this all in the book I'm writing, and I'm going to mention you in my next video on why video game music (specifically) is good for your mental health.
    I don't know if I ever had the change to tell you this in person, but seriously thank you for making this. Tell the fam I said hey and I hope to see you at Magfest! :)

  • @thegreatb3
    @thegreatb3 8 лет назад +360

    Well well well, if it isn't my favorite new channel!

    • @gamewub1016
      @gamewub1016 7 лет назад +7

      100% agree

    • @Zeioth
      @Zeioth 7 лет назад +2

      This > Formal education.

  • @overcaffeinatedengineering
    @overcaffeinatedengineering 5 лет назад +3

    Nice! really great analysis, and really grounded perspective on the non-function aspects of Chrono Trigger harmony and why it provides the feel it does.

  • @player042
    @player042 8 лет назад +47

    Haha loved the All Star at 10:40! Great video as always :)

    • @goldenhide
      @goldenhide 7 лет назад +1

      Soooom- Nah not going there.

  • @bond6007
    @bond6007 7 лет назад +67

    Great video, great channel! However, I need to make a correction to the “Secret of the Forest” analysis. Bear with me here, as I will explain everything in full (although there are Cliff Notes at the end). This is a functional piece of music in F minor (with a modulation to Bb minor in the middle). How do I know this? Yasunori Mitsuda tells us this when he ends the piece in F minor, and then it loops back to the beginning. Thus, thanks to Mitsuda's clarification, the first time you hear the opening, it is ambiguous, but the second time, it is not. So now let's walk through this, bit by bit. The first chord is a type of Neapolitan chord (bII) in F minor, which then leads to the tonic (i). Of course there are added tones, so it's more like bII7(13) - i9. But the essence of the progression is Neapolitan to tonic. Traditionally speaking, the Neapolitan chord is a predominant chord. In the Classical period, the Neapolitan chord would almost always precede V, and it would usually be found in first inversion (i.e. Neapolitan sixth). However, in the Romantic period, it became common to present a Neapolitan chord in root position, skip the dominant chord, and go straight to the tonic. In this case, the b2 scale degree acts as a type of leading tone from above, and there is a clear pull to resolve to the tonic. In other words, the b2 scale degree wants to resolve downwards to the tonic just as badly as the #7 scale degree wants to resolve upwards. So when the Neapolitan is used this way, it becomes a substitute dominant. In jazz theory, this is called a tritone substitution, since the root of the Neapolitan is a tritone away from the dominant (in this case, Gb substitutes for C). Also, keep in mind that Mitsuda is heavily influenced by jazz theory, which is very clear when you study the soundtrack as a whole (even this track is quite jazzy with all the added sevenths, ninths, etc.). At any rate, with all of this in mind, we can now see that the N-i progression is actually a functional progression, substituting for a V-I progression in a more traditional piece. OK, now moving on to m. 25 (letter D), there is a definite aural shift here, as the move to Ebm7 is quite unexpected. This is where we modulate to Bb minor, which is the subdominant key (iv) of our tonic key of F minor. The Eb minor chord becomes the beginning of a new functional progression, which not-so-coincidentally ALSO uses a Neapolitan chord as a substitute dominant. The next three chords are iv7-N7-i7, cementing our new key of Bb minor. This is followed by a four chord progression, which is just a variation of the first: iv7-N7-iiø7(11)-V7. Mitsuda played with our expectations here. Instead of leading to the tonic, it led to a true predominant-dominant progression in the key of Bb minor, which of course leads to the tonic in the next measure. Very clever! The next section has the progression i7-#vi7-iv7-v7 in Bb minor, which is a very simple and elegant functional progression, with the G minor chord (#vi) being an instance of mode mixture from Bb major. And finally, we have the last progression, which is where this discussion all began! Mitsuda is now ready to modulate back to F minor. The first chord is VII in F minor (with Db in the bass) and it just slides down to the dominant before resolving to the tonic. The chord progression is VII-VI-v7-I. The progression is capped off with a Perfect Authentic Cadence (PAC) in F minor, complete with a Picardy third at the end (hence the F major quality). The Picardy third is a common way to end pieces in minor, and gives a very striking sense of resolution, but make no mistake, we are still in F minor (hence the Db and C minor chords just prior). This returns us to our tonic key, and harmonic ambiguity has been replaced by harmonic clarity. And now that we’ve returned to the original key, we can loop back to the beginning, and start those N-i progressions all over again! What a masterpiece by Mitsuda. Hope this helps to clarify the piece! CLIFF NOTES: “Secret of the Forest” is a functional piece of music in F minor. SOURCE: I’m a Ph.D. in Music Theory.

    • @bond6007
      @bond6007 7 лет назад +8

      Also, take note that the chord marked as iiø7(11) functions as a traditional half-diminished supertonic chord (iiø7), but in all actuality, it's a quartal chord: C-F-Bb-Eb. Quartal chords are common in 20th century music and jazz.

    • @GUIM1797
      @GUIM1797 7 лет назад +13

      I can concur with most of this. Here are a few thoughts I have...
      In Jazz Theory we would not considered a bII∆7 (e.g. Gb∆7 to F-) a tritone substitution at all. bII∆7 would be just considered modal mixture and would, most likely, fall under the "Subdominant Minor" category since the Gb∆13(#11) is a bVI in the key of Bb minor.
      Cb7(#11) is a Tritone Substitution, however, because it retains the Dominant function. The term Tritone Substitution is 99% of the time referring to a Dominant voicing.
      Eb∆/Db is a common Lydian voicing and considering it is a Eb∆/Db to Db∆ that's how I would view it. It doesn't go from Eb∆/Db to C-7, it goes...
      Eb∆/Db, Db∆, and then C-7.
      So it's being setup of more like a suspension to Db∆.
      Personally I don't really care what "key" this piece is in because of how ambiguous it is. Additionally, since the composition is written to loop endlessly, it's hard to say that F∆ is a definitive Picardy 3rd. It could also be viewed as...
      V in the key of Bb- that, rather than resolving to Bb minor, deceptively resolves to Gb∆7 (V to bVI). That totally works in Bb minor. F- also works in the key of Bb- as a v, it simply has an altered extension of a 9th (G) versus the diatonic b9th (Gb).
      This isn't meant to combat the idea of it being in F minor and then modulating to Bb minor because, like I said, I personally am not really interested in the key center of this piece, but these are some thoughts.
      Personally, I think the "endless looping" should be a factor in analyzing this piece rather than it having a definitive ending. Video game composers write music with this in mind, so we should analyze it with this in mind.
      I can view this piece in either F minor or Bb minor, but without any definitive end to the sequence and all of the ambiguity, I, personally, just view it as interpretive. You can get loads of ideas out of it no matter which one you choose.

    • @bond6007
      @bond6007 7 лет назад +15

      Thanks for your thoughts! I will note that I'm 100% classically trained, so I don't claim to be an expert in jazz theory.
      Interesting idea on the first chord. Personally, I do see this as having a dominant function in F minor, with N-i functioning in the same manner as V-i, hence the substitute dominant designation. But, as you said, it could also be seen as the submediant (VI) in Bb minor. For clarification purposes, I tend to use VI instead of bVI in minor since the scale degree is already lowered naturally, but that's just me.
      With the Eb chord at the end, I completely agree with you. I didn't go into detail on that one, but I see it as a suspension chord. The Db-Ab in the bass reinforces that we have a submediant (VI) harmony, and the Eb major chord above is simply a suspension that resolves expectantly to Db major.
      So at the end, you are suggesting that it is either a half cadence or a brief tonicization of the dominant that simply wants to lead back to the tonic of Bb minor. If this was truly the end of the piece, this would be almost unthinkable, i.e. to end on a dominant chord, rather than a tonic. However, since the piece is meant to loop, we can alternatively view this passage as a bridge, and conclude that there is no actual ending to the piece. In that case, your idea completely makes sense! Ah, the joys of music theory.
      Personally, I think the final chord progression is too drawn out and conclusive to be thought of as a half cadence. Half cadences traditionally occur rather briefly with a V7/V leading to a V chord (i.e. C7 to F major in Bb minor), with an emphasis on a secondary leading tone that is lacking from this passage. To me, we truly establish the key of F (natural) minor in those last two measures, and end with a Picardy third. But your idea makes just as much sense, where we are briefly tonicizing the dominant, and then sliding out of it with deceptive motion back to the submediant. So in this case, the entire piece would be in Bb minor, except for (possibly) the last two measures.
      Great discussion! In the end, you're right - it doesn't matter what key it's in. But still, it's fun to theorize the night away.

    • @Smoke3380
      @Smoke3380 5 лет назад +13

      Where have you guys been my whole life? This is straight up music theory porn.

    • @TheUKNutter
      @TheUKNutter 5 лет назад +3

      Interesting. In my country we call the cadences “perfect cadence, imperfect cadence and plagal cadence”. Authentic sounds... too American for us, so we don’t teach it in schools.

  • @estereofobia
    @estereofobia 8 лет назад +6

    This channel is AMAZING! just want to thank you for all the great work here.

  • @MrMayhem1225
    @MrMayhem1225 5 лет назад +1

    I always wondered why I was so attracted to the chrono trigger soundtrack. Having someone explain it like you did helps me understand how and why it was written the way it was and it makes it that much more beautiful! Thank you!!

  • @ChazEvansdale
    @ChazEvansdale 7 лет назад +383

    I have no idea what you're talking about, but for some reason I watched the whole video :) hehe

    • @SuperJollyRainbows
      @SuperJollyRainbows 7 лет назад +23

      Chaz Evansdale Same lol. None of it means anything to me but I love Mitsuda's music so this is kind of cool. I guess. I never learned music theory and honestly don't want to because I can figure out how to play anything by ear (yes I'm one of *those* people). Or maybe I'm just an uneducated snob lol. Either way the point is Chrono Trigger music rocks. Forever.

    • @miguelarturopalomaresruiz
      @miguelarturopalomaresruiz 7 лет назад

      same here

    • @Pensive_Scarlet
      @Pensive_Scarlet 7 лет назад +10

      SuperJollyRainbows
      There are a lot of us who are musically inclined despite having never been musically educated. Everyone has a different perspective, everyone has different experiences. You're certainly not a snob, and being able to play music by ear is a great gift. As for myself, I am only really ever able to transcribe the mad melodies that haunt my head. My hopes for ever being appreciated as a musician rest mostly with people like you.

    • @poof65
      @poof65 7 лет назад +3

      i don't understood a thing either. I came here for the music :)

    • @miguelarturopalomaresruiz
      @miguelarturopalomaresruiz 7 лет назад +5

      i have always tried to understand how does music evokes a feeling, i think musica theory is far beyond my abilities

  • @Galluchh
    @Galluchh 5 лет назад +1

    This is by far your best video yet. Perfectly explained and wonderfully showcased

  • @heavyweaponsgaming
    @heavyweaponsgaming 7 лет назад +46

    The story at the beginning really resonated with my experience in musical analysis.

  • @AkiraUema
    @AkiraUema 6 лет назад +3

    Awesome! I've made an arrangement for Wind Scene for classical guitar and I was amazed to see a dominant 7-th chord and its resolution in the middle of what I thought it was a pure modal harmony!

  • @Grohlvana
    @Grohlvana 7 лет назад +267

    I see a Chrono Trigger video, I click it, I like it, I watch it.

    • @Th0tSlAyErIII
      @Th0tSlAyErIII 6 лет назад +11

      What if the video is about how "Chrono Trigger is the most overrated game in history".
      The bastard would never see my like, now that's for sure.

    • @nbpraptor
      @nbpraptor 6 лет назад

      Pretty much

    • @cyandinomashups
      @cyandinomashups 6 лет назад

      That's in the wrong order.

    • @anitamaciri6763
      @anitamaciri6763 6 лет назад +1

      I want to like this comment but you're at 69 likes........ can't ruin perfection

    • @cyandinomashups
      @cyandinomashups 6 лет назад

      @@anitamaciri6763 I liked it.

  • @OhDannyBoy512
    @OhDannyBoy512 7 лет назад +10

    10:38 I died XD
    On a more serious note (pun intended), this was so fascinating and it’s inspiring me to learn even more about harmony ^_^

  • @lumigpictures
    @lumigpictures 8 лет назад +5

    To me, E minor sounds more like the tonic of the title theme, and the process really seems to be modal mixture: Am (iv-aeolian), F#m (ii-dorian), F (bII-phrygian) and Em (i-aeolian). Anyways, cool video, I think this is the best video game music theory channel in RUclips, you analyze things really worth being analyzed, in a more complex way than usual. Congrats!

  • @GabrielRodrigues-gb5dt
    @GabrielRodrigues-gb5dt 7 лет назад

    I am a Brazilian music composition major in the local university. Your videos have been extremely helpful and interesting! Thanks a lot for the efort in making thease videos!

  • @thevfxwizard7758
    @thevfxwizard7758 3 года назад +11

    A helpful way I like to think about chords is their relative brightness to the tonic. For instance, using a bIII gives a darker sound, as the bIII is borrowed from the minor key (ex. Fellowship theme from Lord of the Rings).
    Oppositely, using a vii chord may sound brighter because it is borrowed from the Lydian mode, despite it being minor (ex. the flying theme from E.T.)
    As for chords that can't be borrowed, from any other mode (bii, III, VI etc.) I like to use them to throw the listener for a spin.
    Usually non-diatonic major chords sound even more major, and non-diatonic minor chords sound even more minor.

  • @RemyLuciani
    @RemyLuciani 5 лет назад +2

    The power of contrast. I love your content so much!

  • @musicin3180
    @musicin3180 8 лет назад +38

    0:54 seconds in and I'm already giggling about music theory. This is going to be an amazing video

    • @savanchandul7451
      @savanchandul7451 7 лет назад +14

      Most of us are musically ignorant, obviously we can't disagree since we don't understand what's going on.

  • @DragonSwigy
    @DragonSwigy 6 лет назад

    I just discovered your videos and I am in love with everything you have made so far. I’ve always wanted to make my own music and video games and it’s great to see what things composers have done in the past with such concepts as the one you talked about in this video. Honestly, you’ve sparked my interest in making music again and for that, thank you.

  • @cesaraltamirano3736
    @cesaraltamirano3736 7 лет назад +23

    OMG! now I understand why I love nonfunctional music...

  • @LTGuitarist
    @LTGuitarist 6 лет назад

    I'm 1 minute in and sold. Love this, will be watching everything you have for the rest of the day. Nice one ;)

  • @Atma505
    @Atma505 8 лет назад +5

    Love your videos, my guy!
    5:25 Undertale has a ton of chromatic progressions, too - something to listen for.

    • @zaneetue7991
      @zaneetue7991 7 лет назад

      PLEASE DON'T CONTAMINATE CHRONO TRIGGER, ITS THE ONLY GAME I FEEL EMOTIONALY ATTACHED TO

  • @darrkstarg
    @darrkstarg 5 лет назад +1

    Chronotrigger is probably my favorite game music of all time. Thank you for your time and in-depth analysis. You earned a thumbs up :-)

  • @TumbleDice
    @TumbleDice 7 лет назад +7

    I can almost remeber every note of the music in this game, it is fucking memorable. Back when i played this gem the music immersed me so deep into the game, scenes became really emotional. Very good music, especially for that time. Even now it kicks the shit out of most game soundtracks.

  • @louiecando6078
    @louiecando6078 7 лет назад

    Holy crap, your channel is amazing. Always loved Chrono Trigger's music; nice to see someone analyze it in the way that you did!

  • @RogersBase
    @RogersBase 7 лет назад +28

    Fascinating stuff!

  • @AnthoReco
    @AnthoReco 7 лет назад

    This is my new favourite channel! You have done very well with these studies.

  • @ThrashMetalAvenger
    @ThrashMetalAvenger 7 лет назад +6

    This video is so fucking good. Great analysis!
    You're an All-Star!

    • @oldbird4601
      @oldbird4601 5 лет назад

      I see what you’d did there 😉

  • @painco94
    @painco94 7 лет назад +5

    About the first example: I think in some way it is possible to "preserve" a functional meaning of those two chords. The key, in my opinion and to my ear, is actually F minor, and the Gb chord is the neapolitan chord of that scale (though used in fundamental instead of first inversion as usually happens), hence a pre-dominant chord. This (somewhat) leads to a succession of predominant-tonic chords, kind of resembling a plagal cadence (though with a neapolitan chord instead of the usual IV)

  • @kpdelaney6460
    @kpdelaney6460 3 года назад +2

    Pretty music! I've always overlooked this game, but those songs are so beautiful; I need to listen through that OST

  • @JohannesFrykholm
    @JohannesFrykholm 7 лет назад +15

    "Functional music almost never stays in one key" lol yeah except in almost every pop song ever. Extremely interesting video though, never seen this channel before but I'm following for sure!

    • @marciamakesmusic
      @marciamakesmusic 5 лет назад +2

      Blantantly false. Pop music doesn't have to be basic. Listen to any Beatles song, anything by Steely Dan, hell even fucking Put a Ring on It is incredibly harmonically dense.

    • @Rudreax
      @Rudreax 5 лет назад +4

      @@marciamakesmusic They're not saying Pop music is basic. They're saying Pop music, most likely music in the past decade or so, doesn't change keys often. This is very much true.

    • @marciamakesmusic
      @marciamakesmusic 5 лет назад +2

      @@Rudreax I don't think "every pop song ever" and "music from the last decade" are the same thing.

    • @SamaelXII
      @SamaelXII 5 лет назад +1

      @@marciamakesmusic Read again. They say "almost every pop song ever."

    • @marciamakesmusic
      @marciamakesmusic 5 лет назад +1

      @@SamaelXII "Almost every" still isn't accurate though

  • @higurashikai09
    @higurashikai09 7 лет назад

    Man, I love this video. The harmony is just mesmerizing and I’m glad you decided to analyze it.

  • @user-xi8sf8xl7r
    @user-xi8sf8xl7r 7 лет назад +16

    10:38 "sooommebody once told me the world was gonna roll me, i aint the sharpest tool in the shed"

    • @kultur-vultur
      @kultur-vultur 4 года назад

      lol, I was like keep smash mouth outta this!

    • @Dunkman545
      @Dunkman545 3 года назад

      I fell of my chair as the notes reavealed themselves being all star!!!

  • @slowgaffle
    @slowgaffle 7 лет назад

    Thank you for this. I realized the whole reason i've been trying to learn about modal jazz comes from my fascination and confusion with this soundtrack growing up. I've been waiting for a video like this for decades!

  • @rileywebb4178
    @rileywebb4178 8 лет назад +216

    is 10:26 not the melody to all-star by smashmouth?

    • @FranciscoMorales-qk4ux
      @FranciscoMorales-qk4ux 7 лет назад +4

      wtf jajajajajaa, you're totally right xDDD

    • @ash1rose
      @ash1rose 7 лет назад +4

      Riley Webb 😳😳😳😱😱😱 I had to go back and listen to it again. Holy shit you're right.

    • @qwertyquazo673
      @qwertyquazo673 7 лет назад +9

      This melody is everywhere. Check Adam Neely, in some of his videos he talks about exavtly that.

    • @bjdooi
      @bjdooi 7 лет назад +4

      Riley Webb I heard the exact same thing and was about to make this same comment

    • @ahmaddeedatibrahim6631
      @ahmaddeedatibrahim6631 7 лет назад

      wtfffffffffff. how did i not notice it? hahaha.

  • @kjl3080
    @kjl3080 3 года назад +1

    9:18 no I would argue this is a pretty common bossa nova trick: you could think of it as borrowing from Bb Dorian notated in Bb Minor. I can see how you would see it like that though, Bbmin7 is never actually played in the song

  • @ChronicalV
    @ChronicalV 5 лет назад +3

    Just wanted to point out that the Db pentatonic should have F natural, not Fb as shown at 9:53 in case anyone was confused or wondering
    Also great analysis! I'm doing a viva voce (kinda like an interactive musical conversation) for my final exams in music at HS and your videos and analysis, especially on entire soundtracks, make a great resource for me to use since my talk is pretty broad as well (about interest in video game music of 90s-00s).

  • @rynxlaneran
    @rynxlaneran 4 года назад

    Re-watching this for the first time in a couple years and I'm realising just how much this particular video and the content within inspired me as a composer. Wonderful video and very well presented. Can't thank you enough.

  • @Lucas-ce5yc
    @Lucas-ce5yc 6 лет назад +67

    10:38 Wait . . .
    *Somebody once told me the world was gonna roll me, I ain’t the sharpest tool the shed*

    • @RomanHoltwick1
      @RomanHoltwick1 5 лет назад +2

      Lucas I knew someone else must have heard it xD

    • @Brokenface
      @Brokenface 5 лет назад +2

      It's the same melody 😂😂😂 or at least it's very similar

    • @analogaudiorules1724
      @analogaudiorules1724 4 года назад

      Just got shrekt on a music theory video, beautiful...

    • @robertmcdonell831
      @robertmcdonell831 4 года назад

      I was about to say the same thing! 🤣

  • @djdankmemes9257
    @djdankmemes9257 7 лет назад

    From these examples alone it's really clear that Yasunori had a tendency to move his minor chords upwards by minor thirds. It's really jarring/sinister movement that I think is super cool. In the bridge of a tune by Jake Sherman called "Can't Say We Didn't Try" he does that same movement and he makes it work just as well as Yasunori does here.
    Great video! Keep em coming!

  • @SeveredLegs
    @SeveredLegs 5 лет назад +3

    I'm really glad you stretched the 4:3 to widescreen. Man, it looks so great stretched like that.

  • @Francois424
    @Francois424 7 лет назад

    Chrono Trigger's music album is one of the very few video game music that actually drills into my soul.
    To this day there are less than 5 of these. just hearing extracts gives me the chills.... I love it.
    Nice video !

  • @AqareCover
    @AqareCover 8 лет назад +4

    another great example for nonfunctional harmony (though its not video game music) is the zankyou no terror opening. it blew my mind the first time i listened to it

  • @DeadCatX2
    @DeadCatX2 2 года назад

    Thank you for covering this game. It's one of my favorite games of all time. Even now the music moves me in a very powerful way. Seeing the nerdy analysis helps me appreciate it that much more.

  • @GuanTones
    @GuanTones 3 года назад +5

    8:43 they are very much functional non-functional. its just a minor 3rd on the A chord that makes it. its just 1 note from functional harmony

  • @reyespiano945
    @reyespiano945 7 лет назад +1

    Your knowledge on music theory is amazing.
    Definitely subbed

  • @guilhermecantarela3700
    @guilhermecantarela3700 7 лет назад +8

    I stumbled upon this, what can I say... Im amazed

  • @jamesoconnormoneley2253
    @jamesoconnormoneley2253 6 лет назад

    I recently became aware of your channel and I'm absolutely loving these videos! Excellent work, keep em' coming 😀

  • @FusionRey
    @FusionRey 8 лет назад +5

    Wonderful video on one of the best video game soundtracks of all time. I wonder if you would consider looking at Chrono Cross's OST sometime? Maybe how Mitsuda both evolved and changed as a composer, yet retained his own voice (as well as emphasizing the themes of the game with his music).

  • @RyanSlatkoMusic
    @RyanSlatkoMusic 6 лет назад

    That intro made me spit coffee everywhere. Thanks 8bit...
    But in all seriousness, really great video, thank you for sharing!!

  • @davidjung3145
    @davidjung3145 7 лет назад +14

    I feel like Paper Mario is also an entry that has some cool, unconventional choices. At least, in the slow, contemplative parts--- Shooting Star Summit, or Snow Road. Maybe that's just me

  • @SkaMasta097
    @SkaMasta097 3 года назад +2

    Does anyone else think it's funny that at 3:16 he says "Functional music almost never stays entirely in one key", then "Got 1x Tonic!" appears on the screen?

  • @GUIM1797
    @GUIM1797 7 лет назад +11

    Hey, man. I'm curious about your decision to state the Main Theme as A minor. I actually just posted up a video of my own analysis for the entire theme and I'm curious to know what your thoughts are on it if you happen to watch it.
    I find it to be moreso in the key of E minor rather than A minor. That said, I know you generally know what you're talking about, so I'm curious how you came to that conclusion regarding the other segments. Do you hear the final chord of the piece as wanting to resolve back to A minor? Or do you hear each section of the theme is modulating and as such the end doesn't want to go back?
    Anyways, keep up the solid work. Looking forward to the next post! :)

    • @mellowords
      @mellowords 4 года назад +2

      Hey, I thought the same thing when I first saw this analysis. Definitely feels like it's in E minor to me, starting on the iv.

    • @GroovyDominoes
      @GroovyDominoes 8 месяцев назад

      Glad I'm not the only one lol. I immediately raised an eyebrow when he said the main theme was in A minor instead of E. Loved the overall analysis though.

  • @shadoninja
    @shadoninja 7 лет назад

    This is so valuable! I am currently studying music theory to compose my own video game music and your channel is teaching me so much. Thank you for doing this!

  • @NickOleksiakMusic
    @NickOleksiakMusic 2 года назад +4

    I live for Nonfunctional Harmony! It's pretty much always a fun listen when done with skill.

  • @musAKulture
    @musAKulture 6 лет назад

    what i love about your videos is that i have no idea what you're saying but i still enjoy them

  • @J.Guiao.
    @J.Guiao. 7 лет назад +48

    P U R E Q U A L I T Y
    10/10 Would analyze the chords progression again

  • @jacksonkerr2095
    @jacksonkerr2095 4 года назад

    Very well put together, and funny as well! Your chart of chord progressions for different moods at 4:40 made me laugh.

  • @codystork3008
    @codystork3008 8 лет назад +124

    at 10:45 you just made all star out of by Smash Mouth out of Chrono trigger

    • @aonodensetsu
      @aonodensetsu 7 лет назад +4

      or the other way around

    • @youmukonpaku3168
      @youmukonpaku3168 7 лет назад +5

      Can't be the other way around, Chrono Trigger predates All Star by almost five years.

  • @Ehsteve78
    @Ehsteve78 5 лет назад

    Amazing video and great analysis. I need to play this game to really experience these tunes in context.
    One thing I noticed- I’d argue that the harmony in A Strange Happening is actually functional. Dm9 to Abm6, while dissonant, is quite reminiscent of a II V change in the key of C- add a G to the Abm6 and the entire thing changes to G7 with a b9 and a b13. In fact, don’t add the G- keep the original changes, and the chords will still resolve to Cmaj9. The Abm6 can function like a Fm7b5 or as an altered dominant chord.
    Keep making great content and thanks for giving me an opportunity for me to geek out over theory!

  • @martinmorales3195
    @martinmorales3195 8 лет назад +7

    I remember being 15 and totally ripping off the trial chord progression and using it in a melodeath song.

  • @jedgrahek1426
    @jedgrahek1426 3 года назад +2

    This was so great. CT truly has one of the most beautiful soundtracks ever composed for anything....

  • @splabbity
    @splabbity 6 лет назад +5

    I love that ethereal floaty feeling.

  • @medigoomnis
    @medigoomnis 7 лет назад

    BATMAN.
    So I just found your channel and I freaking love it. Never completed any of my music courses in college beyond some really basic theory, but I love analyzing [particularly video game] music outside of a classroom...so...your channel. Anyway, on top of that, when you told me the world was gonna roll me, I had to subscribe.

  • @leerv.
    @leerv. 5 лет назад +8

    Yatsunori: "I'm tired of making sound effects for our games, I want to make music!"
    Square: "We have Nobuo-san, why would we change what works?"
    Yatsunori: "Let me compose or I'm quitting."
    Square: "Fine, you can have the soundtrack for this game. We'll give Nobuo-san a little break."
    And here we are, ladies and gents, one of the most striking beautiful soundtracks in all of Square's body of work.

    • @Final-Ts
      @Final-Ts 5 лет назад

      Ironically, Nubuo-san STILL wrote a couple of tracks in the game. I know that "Sealed Door" is one of them.

    • @davidjimenez3822
      @davidjimenez3822 4 года назад

      @@Final-Ts I'm sure Tyrano Lair was another, and Boss Battle 1 I think was a collab between Nobuo and another artist.

    • @luf4rall
      @luf4rall 2 года назад

      @@Final-Ts Mitsuda worked so hard he got sick.

  • @UltimaRedFireEskimo
    @UltimaRedFireEskimo 7 лет назад

    Love this channel dude - I studied Composition in college and I gotta say, you're the only channel that has some more in-depth analysis of VG music. Glad to see it.

    • @GUIM1797
      @GUIM1797 7 лет назад

      I checked out some of your videos, man, good stuff! I'll actually be joining in the small group of in-depth analyses of VG music. So far I only have some transcription videos posted up, but if you happen to check 'em out please let me know what you think!
      In the mean time, keep making those rad arrangements!