I always thought the point of Don Quixote was that he was really the only one who WASN'T insane, in a way. He was the only person who looked at the world as it should be, who cared for those others had discarded, and who remained true to his own heart and sense of honor when everyone around him thought he was a crazy fool because of it. The tragedy of the story is that the world punishes those who dare to dream of a better world, and the kindest people are the ones hurt the most.
When I saw first saw the movie as a youth, this scene made me uncomfortable without understand. After I saw it as an adult, this scene ripped my heart to shreds.
For the singing performance of a character like Aldonza it's most important that it has emotional power. Aldonza ain't no opera diva - of course - but shouldn't even be played by one, at least in movie musical like this. Sophia Loren nails her role as usual.
Well i don't think most characters are suppose to be trained opera singers but they are still usually played by people who sing very well, That's because it's a musical and we want to hear good singing. It's already unrealistic that the characters are singing so it's not that much more to ask to cast actors who can sing the music well. Sofia should of been Dubbed her at least, Her singing is so bad it's distracting.
Unlike Peter O'Toole, Sophia Loren did do her own singing in this role - and did it so exquisitely, with the intensity and passion that each scene required.
Did you know they originally wanted to have someone else do the singing for her - but Sofia demanded that they should get equal booking on the movie poster. So they let her sing it herself
Wow...isn't that how God sees us...as Dulcineas; precious, valuable, adored creatures made in His image, but how often we can't believe that those things about ourselves. I love Quixote's response to her, after she's screaming the lies she's accepted about herself. "You are NOW and FOREVER MY LADY." Powerful.
I can,t help but feel bad for dulcanaia. her heart and spirit so broken by hurt and she meets a man who has such deep live for her. she truly is a beautiful and good woman who was in a lot of pain.
I played Cervantes/Don Quixote in theatre some 25 years ago. I came away a changed man and still changing. It's a very powerful message. "when life itself seems lunatic, who knows where madness lies? Too much sanity may be madness." Shame they cut out the first two verses of the song, which is the best song in the play.
When I was little I use to sing this song at my parent's party. Their friends thought it was hilarious and would laugh and clap. My parents however did not find it so amusing.
"a lot about mental illness and how it's not always a bad thing"......this is the best answer as the world of "Don Quixote". And "Man of La Mancha" is the best way of life in such a world for me who is mental illness. I'm sorry I'm not good at English.
When you hope for more, what you know of life becomes fragile. You have to be strong to follow hope. I was replying to "she seems...strong...in the beginning...she is more breakable." She was already broken. You have to hope to rise above that.
Taylor Manes I kind of like the raw, unpolished singing for this character, and song... real and grounded and despairing. I think it fits! And the acting, as you say, is great. I’m not a terribly emotional person, but her acting evokes a little bit of tearing up from me... 😆
she really made that role her own. If you knew her past growing up in wore torn Europe , you would get and extra appreciation for the acting and bravery of taking the part.
My Mom had a recording of this musical (different cast) . . . and I've had much difficulty finding this song. It's kind of like having people (public officials, doctors, lawyers, teachers, librarians, etc.) talk sweetly to you and expect you to respond civilly . . . BUT THEY'RE ON THE CLOCK! And I'm not. You can stand before them while you bleed watching them get fat. And be glad of it. So glad I found this again. Been trying to find it for quite some time.
Sophia Loren sounds a thousand times more authentic and passionate than the Broadway singer who played this role...... I'm glad they didn't dub her vocals! She's awesome!
when I teach the young men and young women at LDS Church, I always teach them the story of Quixote and Aldonza/Dulcinea. This is because the young women need to be told how special they are. Some guys they like don't always treat them that well.
This film & it's marvelous tragic Story, have always facinated me. The story is the sad realization of a former Knight & now poor Nobleman that his life is ending. His last journey is too try & recapture a brief but small part of his former Life. IN his journey he happens upon the poor peasant woman Aldonza & then mistakens her for his lost maiden or Lady, & Noblewoman he knew as Dulcinea. Then in his lucid raving hysteria he relives his past. IN so doing it. He gives Aldonza hope & a little pride again. Until the authorities arrive and take Don Quixote away & then home too die. On his death bed Aldonza & his servant help him too have one last moment of Pride & triumpt before the End comes, and he Dies. 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🤔🤔❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
@aitkenjoshua That is definitely a ballpark intepretation of Cervantez' point, actually, aitkenjoshua. In fact, the whole point of the story is to challenge the cynicism that would only see Quixote as a fool or insane. He's clearly the good guy in the story. Even if he is a bit of a fool. Cervantez is illustrating that a fool with a dream is better than a million fools lost in their bitterness and disappointment with the world.
Many years ago I twice saw the show (10 years apart) with Susan Steele and considered hers the best rendition of all the singers I have heard. As an aside she was very beautiful, terrific figure and when she was the understudy for the play,(forget its name) in London, she promised to take off all the 7 veils, but much to the disappointment of the cast, the star never missed a performance
La Mancha means in English “The Stain ” or “The Man of The Stain” and “To Dream The Imposible Dream” to reach the Unreachable Star! A story of a wealthy Man, 55-written by Miguel Cervantes in Spain.in 1605.Century! Man Of La Mancha, 1972 movie play by Peter O'Toole(Don Quijote or Knigth) Sophia Loren (Dulcinea) and James Coco (Sancho Pansa or Sancho Belly. Both were on tour aorund Spain-like Cruceidres to improve people 's life around the 16th Century. Read more in Widipidia
I think they meant that if you have hope you can lose it and be hurt in the process. If you never expet things to get any better, you won't be broken when they remain the same, but if you live constantly thinking that everything will get better any day now, when it doesn't, it hurts you every time. A little cynical, but I understand the sentiment.
@aitkenjoshua Cervantes on Quixote: "...so conspicous and void of difficulty that children may handle him, youths may read him, men may understand him and old men may celebrate him" Sounds substantially different from the Quixote you described, Josh. Perhaps you just got it wrong.
For crying out loud they cut the whole first stanza of the song. Aldonza talks about how she was born. Look it up it's very Illuminating. Stupid censors
I,m taking a risk by saying this to an athiest, but watching this scene reminds of how Jesus saw mary magdalene. a woman of worth and precious even though she could,nt see herself that way. To me it,s so beautiful.
@aitkenjoshua I also saw the book as only a cynical satire, but I was only 24 or so so perhaps I missed some subtlety of Cervantes'. But the musical certainly portrays Quixote as a hopeful and inspiring, albeit crazy character.
@aitkenjoshua That's really the whole point of the story, actually. And if you're walking away only seeing a fool with a dream, you've really kinda missed it.
Interesting. But I do think Joan Deiner ( who was a true soprano with a decent lower register when she first played it and an alto with a very decent upper register when she last played it ) is definitive.
Which is why war, pain, and suffering all exist. So that god may truly show how much he cares about us, "precious, valuable, adored creatures". Makes so much sense now, thank you.
@aitkenjoshua Right. This is a scene based on the story in the film adaptation. But the relationship is all Cervantes. And you're right, Josh. It's not Dulcinea in the novel. It's Dulcinea del Toboso. The name that Alonso Quixano, a.k.a., Mr. Quixote, here, gives to the neighboring farm girl, Aldonza Lorenzo, in his first quest. And it's not a lecture. You just missed the point of the story. But, hey, it's all you, man. You enjoy your intepretation. The rest of us will enjoy the scene.
@aitkenjoshua And it is the bullying of otherwise "respectable" people in the West which feeds the rationalization for people like Hitler and Stalin and Jong Il and Bin Laden. And I am tired of it, is the truth.
@benfrankln If you're right, Josh, which some reviews I've read seem to indicate may be true, it does disappoint me in Cervantez' telling. In which case, perhaps I should skip the book. I'm just fine just enjoying the more decent and humane musical version, personally. There'd have to be more humanity in Cervantez for me to bother, frankly.
@benfrankln And I am tired of intellectuals, in particular, pretending like being a shithead is ok as long as it's in the name of some abstraction. Many of which turn out to be wrong, ironically. Because they were so enamoured with what they thought they knew that they lost track of the reality that they being wrong is by far the more common feature of human experience. Even for the smartest people.
I really really love this song, and I think Sophia Loren is a fine actress, but her rendition of this song is awful imo. I think they ideally should have cast somebody who could sing and act, but they at least should have dubbed her as they so often did in older movie musicals
I agree ; I saw Suzanne Steele perform this role twice in the Australian production and she both acted and sang brilliantly. She was a trained opera singer which equipped her to manage the top notes as originally written. I find the film dreary.
@aitkenjoshua I appreciate your efforts to encourge a look at Cervantez, by the way, Josh. I'm just beyond tired of intellectual bullying of all sorts. And if it turns out Cervantez is the same, who really gives a shit what he has to say, is the truth. Who gives a shit what any bully has to say. The kids and I read Mein Kampf. To figure out how that asshole could have been brought down earlier, if possible. Not to pretend like it deserves our reverence.
@benfrankln And if Cervantez turns out to be one of those guys - some dick who shits on a decent fools because it suits its intellectual vanity - who really gives a shit what he thinks, frankly? In which case, I'll take the musical version. Perhaps one day I'll take up Cervantez. But, from what you've described, I'll take a musical version that has the decency to be decent. Even for the fools of the world. All of us, that is.
“You have shown me the sky, but what good is the sky to a creature who never do better than crawl” get me every time
I always thought the point of Don Quixote was that he was really the only one who WASN'T insane, in a way. He was the only person who looked at the world as it should be, who cared for those others had discarded, and who remained true to his own heart and sense of honor when everyone around him thought he was a crazy fool because of it. The tragedy of the story is that the world punishes those who dare to dream of a better world, and the kindest people are the ones hurt the most.
You hit the nail right on the spot.
Not in the original book.
You are right. He is a man who is connected to the "Real Me". All the others are crushed by the surroundings.
Cervantes said in a word gone mad only a mad man could do good I believe
I think the clue was in tilting at windmills and thinking they were giants . No doubting that he was an honourable man though .
When I saw first saw the movie as a youth, this scene made me uncomfortable without understand. After I saw it as an adult, this scene ripped my heart to shreds.
For the singing performance of a character like Aldonza it's most important that it has emotional power. Aldonza ain't no opera diva - of course - but shouldn't even be played by one, at least in movie musical like this. Sophia Loren nails her role as usual.
Well i don't think most characters are suppose to be trained opera singers but they are still usually played by people who sing very well, That's because it's a musical and we want to hear good singing. It's already unrealistic that the characters are singing so it's not that much more to ask to cast actors who can sing the music well. Sofia should of been Dubbed her at least, Her singing is so bad it's distracting.
@@joshdukie998 I want to be entertained by a good musical and Sophia Loren certainly achieves that for me.
Unlike Peter O'Toole, Sophia Loren did do her own singing in this role - and did it so exquisitely, with the intensity and passion that each scene required.
Did you know they originally wanted to have someone else do the singing for her - but Sofia demanded that they should get equal booking on the movie poster. So they let her sing it herself
Wow...isn't that how God sees us...as Dulcineas; precious, valuable, adored creatures made in His image, but how often we can't believe that those things about ourselves. I love Quixote's response to her, after she's screaming the lies she's accepted about herself.
"You are NOW and FOREVER MY LADY."
Powerful.
A very nice point of view. May God look at you in this way forever and ever.
I can,t help but feel bad for dulcanaia. her heart and spirit so broken by hurt and she meets a man who has such deep live for her. she truly is a beautiful and good woman who was in a lot of pain.
Love for her. i,m using my tablet. that,s why it was mispelled.
I played Cervantes/Don Quixote in theatre some 25 years ago. I came away a changed man and still changing. It's a very powerful message. "when life itself seems lunatic, who knows where madness lies? Too much sanity may be madness." Shame they cut out the first two verses of the song, which is the best song in the play.
Richard Severson It really is a beautiful show--I came away a changed woman just from seeing it. :)
im auditioning for the role of aldonza at my school.
It takes courage to hope because it gives you something to lose.
Thank you for the upload.
When I was little I use to sing this song at my parent's party. Their friends thought it was hilarious and would laugh and clap. My parents however did not find it so amusing.
"a lot about mental illness and how it's not always a bad thing"......this is the best answer as the world of "Don Quixote". And "Man of La Mancha" is the best way of life in such a world for me who is mental illness.
I'm sorry I'm not good at English.
When you hope for more, what you know of life becomes fragile. You have to be strong to follow hope. I was replying to "she seems...strong...in the beginning...she is more breakable." She was already broken. You have to hope to rise above that.
Sophia's the best actress in the world. Ever.
we watched this movie in Spanish class the other day and this is by far my favorite song in the movie.
Brilliant acting from Peter O'Toole & R Welch. It brings this great novel to life!
Sophia Loren
@@bethfiori4708 Well done. U spotted my deliberate mistake! :)
An exciting number unexcitingly filmed. Sophia Loren rocks it!
god, say what you want about her singing, but sophia loren really acts the shit out of this part.
Taylor Manes I kind of like the raw, unpolished singing for this character, and song... real and grounded and despairing. I think it fits! And the acting, as you say, is great. I’m not a terribly emotional person, but her acting evokes a little bit of tearing up from me... 😆
she really made that role her own. If you knew her past growing up in wore torn Europe , you would get and extra appreciation for the acting and bravery of taking the part.
My Mom had a recording of this musical (different cast) . . . and I've had much difficulty finding this song. It's kind of like having people (public officials, doctors, lawyers, teachers, librarians, etc.) talk sweetly to you and expect you to respond civilly . . . BUT THEY'RE ON THE CLOCK! And I'm not. You can stand before them while you bleed watching them get fat. And be glad of it. So glad I found this again. Been trying to find it for quite some time.
Sophia Loren sounds a thousand times more authentic and passionate than the Broadway singer who played this role...... I'm glad they didn't dub her vocals! She's awesome!
I get shivers every time! What an incredible performance!
when I teach the young men and young women at LDS Church, I always teach them the story of Quixote and Aldonza/Dulcinea. This is because the young women need to be told how special they are. Some guys they like don't always treat them that well.
That is really important to teach them.
Love this freakin movie. Love the play and the script. It is beautiful all ways it is shown!
Great film and great acting
This film & it's marvelous tragic Story, have always facinated me. The story is the sad realization of a former Knight & now poor Nobleman that his life is ending. His last journey is too try & recapture a brief but small part of his former Life.
IN his journey he happens upon the poor peasant woman Aldonza & then mistakens her for his lost maiden or Lady, & Noblewoman he knew as Dulcinea. Then in his lucid raving hysteria he relives his past. IN so doing it. He gives Aldonza hope & a little pride again. Until the authorities arrive and take Don Quixote away & then home too die. On his death bed Aldonza & his servant help him too have one last moment of Pride & triumpt before the End comes, and he Dies. 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🤔🤔❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
@aitkenjoshua That is definitely a ballpark intepretation of Cervantez' point, actually, aitkenjoshua. In fact, the whole point of the story is to challenge the cynicism that would only see Quixote as a fool or insane. He's clearly the good guy in the story. Even if he is a bit of a fool. Cervantez is illustrating that a fool with a dream is better than a million fools lost in their bitterness and disappointment with the world.
Only Aldonzas hate keeps her from going insane from self loathing, and becoming insane as she intially believes Don Quixote is.
Many years ago I twice saw the show (10 years apart) with Susan Steele and considered hers the best rendition of all the singers I have heard. As an aside she was very beautiful, terrific figure and when she was the understudy for the play,(forget its name) in London, she promised to take off all the 7 veils, but much to the disappointment of the cast, the star never missed a performance
he wasn't crazy he was a knight ' a man of true honor '
If the whole world was as crazy as Don Qivchotte, we would live in a paradise.
Como de costumbre Sophia Loren genial. La actriz más versátil del cine.
La Mancha means in English “The Stain ” or “The Man of The Stain” and “To Dream The Imposible Dream” to reach the Unreachable Star!
A story of a wealthy Man, 55-written by Miguel Cervantes in Spain.in 1605.Century!
Man Of La Mancha, 1972 movie play by Peter O'Toole(Don Quijote or Knigth) Sophia Loren (Dulcinea) and James Coco (Sancho Pansa or Sancho Belly. Both were on tour aorund Spain-like Cruceidres to improve people 's life around the 16th Century. Read more in Widipidia
Makes “I Dream a Dream” sound almost mild. An underrated musical - just like I said in a note under another song from this.
I think they meant that if you have hope you can lose it and be hurt in the process. If you never expet things to get any better, you won't be broken when they remain the same, but if you live constantly thinking that everything will get better any day now, when it doesn't, it hurts you every time. A little cynical, but I understand the sentiment.
This makes me cry every time.
ör˜ök értékű film, nagyon szép.
@aitkenjoshua Cervantes on Quixote: "...so conspicous and void of difficulty that children may handle him, youths may read him, men may understand him and old men may celebrate him"
Sounds substantially different from the Quixote you described, Josh. Perhaps you just got it wrong.
For crying out loud they cut the whole first stanza of the song. Aldonza talks about how she was born. Look it up it's very Illuminating. Stupid censors
She was born in a ditch by a mother who left her there, naked and cold and too hungry to cry. Goddamn censoring.
Probably a cut for time rather than censorship. Movie musicals do that, sometimes in places that make zero sense.
I love it Aldonza i study the man of la mancha👍thank you
it makes me a little sad they didn't add the part of her talking about her mother and father
On the other hand, I really like the lyric change "and a virtue A BLIND MAN CAN SEE that I lack". Much more cutting that "I somehow suspect".
I'm an Atheist but if one thing could tempt me to believe in a divine power its Madam Sophia Loren. ^_^
I,m taking a risk by saying this to an athiest, but watching this scene reminds of how Jesus saw mary magdalene. a woman of worth and precious even though she could,nt see herself that way. To me it,s so beautiful.
@aitkenjoshua I also saw the book as only a cynical satire, but I was only 24 or so so perhaps I missed some subtlety of Cervantes'. But the musical certainly portrays Quixote as a hopeful and inspiring, albeit crazy character.
The story reads a lot better if you study who Cervantes was.
This is Mary Magdalene. Peace. Jc.
@aitkenjoshua That's really the whole point of the story, actually. And if you're walking away only seeing a fool with a dream, you've really kinda missed it.
Interesting. But I do think Joan Deiner ( who was a true soprano with a decent lower register when she first played it and an alto with a very decent upper register when she last played it ) is definitive.
Joan sang this with so much power and expression it sends shivers right through you
But she could not act.
...and how God challenges us to see others.
Which is why war, pain, and suffering all exist. So that god may truly show how much he cares about us, "precious, valuable, adored creatures". Makes so much sense now, thank you.
This is Sophia singing herself, I think so
Tenderness I cannot bear, how sad
@aitkenjoshua I think, perhaps, you might want to read that book again.
@aitkenjoshua In fact, if you watch, again, that's the whole point of this scene.
Unlike Peter O'Toole, Sophia did her own singing. Bravo, Italian Goddess.
@aitkenjoshua Because you seemed to have missed Cervantez' point.
cool
+ hope = breakable
Exactly.
Yes, I agree. Check out Sheena Easton's 1992 Aldonza, in my channel. I thought that was good, and I'm not just saying it because I'm a Sheena fan.
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@aitkenjoshua Right. This is a scene based on the story in the film adaptation. But the relationship is all Cervantes.
And you're right, Josh. It's not Dulcinea in the novel. It's Dulcinea del Toboso. The name that Alonso Quixano, a.k.a., Mr. Quixote, here, gives to the neighboring farm girl, Aldonza Lorenzo, in his first quest.
And it's not a lecture. You just missed the point of the story. But, hey, it's all you, man. You enjoy your intepretation. The rest of us will enjoy the scene.
@aitkenjoshua You're pretty good at reading a commentary in toto, Josh. I'll let figure this one out for yourself.
Me
American education shows the sky and then calls us "clown".
It's the same as when Donald J. Trump said that only people of low IQ show up to court after release from custody.
You cannot top this musical....which happens also in real
@aitkenjoshua And it is the bullying of otherwise "respectable" people in the West which feeds the rationalization for people like Hitler and Stalin and Jong Il and Bin Laden. And I am tired of it, is the truth.
@benfrankln If you're right, Josh, which some reviews I've read seem to indicate may be true, it does disappoint me in Cervantez' telling. In which case, perhaps I should skip the book. I'm just fine just enjoying the more decent and humane musical version, personally. There'd have to be more humanity in Cervantez for me to bother, frankly.
Read the book.
rob* :)
@benfrankln And I am tired of intellectuals, in particular, pretending like being a shithead is ok as long as it's in the name of some abstraction. Many of which turn out to be wrong, ironically. Because they were so enamoured with what they thought they knew that they lost track of the reality that they being wrong is by far the more common feature of human experience. Even for the smartest people.
It is a crime to enforce the law. And . . . should you be able to get to a phone, response time only gets you feminine napkins.
Great acting of Peter O'Toole and Sophia Loren. But who are the 12 dislikes? The men who raped Aldonza?!
I really really love this song, and I think Sophia Loren is a fine actress, but her rendition of this song is awful imo. I think they ideally should have cast somebody who could sing and act, but they at least should have dubbed her as they so often did in older movie musicals
That acting though
She is perfect. Her acting is so stunning that it more than compensates for her singing which just fine.
I agree ; I saw Suzanne Steele perform this role twice in the Australian production and she both acted and sang brilliantly.
She was a trained opera singer which equipped her to manage the top notes as originally written. I find the film dreary.
@aitkenjoshua I appreciate your efforts to encourge a look at Cervantez, by the way, Josh. I'm just beyond tired of intellectual bullying of all sorts. And if it turns out Cervantez is the same, who really gives a shit what he has to say, is the truth. Who gives a shit what any bully has to say. The kids and I read Mein Kampf. To figure out how that asshole could have been brought down earlier, if possible. Not to pretend like it deserves our reverence.
@benfrankln And if Cervantez turns out to be one of those guys - some dick who shits on a decent fools because it suits its intellectual vanity - who really gives a shit what he thinks, frankly? In which case, I'll take the musical version.
Perhaps one day I'll take up Cervantez. But, from what you've described, I'll take a musical version that has the decency to be decent. Even for the fools of the world. All of us, that is.
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@aitkenjoshua The way you tell it, Josh, sounds like a shitty book.
She is such a beautiful woman but not for this role...
ballet point : She doesn't have the pipes for it.
Sky79 She is perfect for this role.
Her acting was great, but her voice irritates me a bit
Why is she complaining about her job everyone hates their job
retard
Acting wise, Sophia is great as Aldonza. However, her singing voice is not the best fit for the role.
I agree that Sophia Loren doesn't have a great singing voice. But the way I experience it, that actually adds to the authenticity of the scene.
They need to dubb her voice. She has no voice