How the Greco-Persian Wars changed the way Athenians drank their wine | Curator's Corner S8 Ep4
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- The Greco-Persian wars are some of the most famous battles in history. The 300 Spartans at Thermopylae. The Greek phalanx at Marathon. The naval victory at Salamis. The end result? Athenian domination of the eastern Mediterranean, and the end of Persian aspirations to control Greece. But the failed invasion attempt by Persia wasn't entirely unsuccessful. While they didn't politically conquer Greece, culturally they were far more successful.
Join curator Jamie Fraser as he walks you through the Persian way of drinking wine with an Achaemenid rhyton, and how this very eastern way of drinking made it's way into the Athenian symposium (albeit in a different physical form).
Luxury and power: Persia to Greece
4 May 2023 - 13 Aug 2023
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CONTENT WARNING:
Contains one most verile, manly, strapping, young servant.
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That Irving Finkle cameo was pure joy 🤣🤣🤣
Upstaged by the master
I mean he's got experience. He probably used to pour wine for these guys when he was a kid
Hilarious
@@imintheraindripdripdrophis younger image appeared in the tile mosaics under “virile, manly, young and strapping”
Fascinating history, excellent speaker. Demos cretos people power, this should be more widely-known.
Irv Finkel played the part of manservant with the greatest display of manliness and virility that I have ever seen.
I was not expecting that😂
How can you mistake Irving Finkle of anything but youngest most virile?! He is amazing!
Thank you so much Jeremy for the amazingly educational session 🥰🥰
That strapping serving boy, keep an eye on him, he seems wise beyond his years. I've seen him rooting around the treasure rooms, playing board games when he should be working, and poking pointy sticks into mud. He's too smart and charismatic for his own good. A trouble maker and rabble rouser if ever I saw one.
There are many irresponsible youths in the palace these days.
I could have just looked at those two vessels and thought, "Wow, those are impressive. Great craftsmanship," and gone about my day. I appreciate Jamie Fraser explaining the historical context of the objects and what they can tell us about the cultures they were made in. This is why we have curators like this.
And yes, Irving Finkel's cameo appearance is a perfect example of why I love British humor.
4:52
What a strapping young lad xD
Note that both these vessels are designed so that the user cannot put them down until the wine has been entirely consumed. Also please note that in at least this case the volume of the bowl standing in for the Persian royal cup seems to be less than that the serving device. The inevitable result will be the Persian king will be sitting there with a partially filled device in his right hand and a full bowl of wine in his left. Does the king drink and refill his bowl? Does he serve those sitting beside him? If he slips up after a couple of bowls of wine, does wine run all over the table? And we are told that, at that time, people enjoyed their meals while reclining on couches. So 1) reclining on one's left elbow, 2) holding the cup in the left hand, 3) the dispenser in the right hand and 4) bringing the bowl to the lips and actually drinking must have be quite a trick.
I think the wine goes straight into his mouth without the second bowl. That seems like what would be done by someone who uses a drinking cup that can't be set down until you've drunk all your wine.
it would be the role of the king's cupbearer, not the king, to aim the wine and to keep it from being poisoned
@@rabbitsforyang8273 Yes, I agree. And the King's cupbearer would be serving first the King, and then the next-in-line-to-be-specially honoured dignitary. Whereas the Greek vessel may be more one-person (unless you do like the Scandinavians, whose drinking-horns went from person to person until empty).
Im a Chinese, and it is fascinating to me listening to James' telling of these two objects. Thank you James Fraser, I am so going to see this exhibit
wonderful storytelling - with Irving Finkle as the icing on the cake! 🙂
I love old Persia cultures and his arts ❤️😘💯.
This is like if Monty Python became an archeological education show and I love it. Crying from laughing
I died. Irving is a national bloody treasure.
As if we don't see him he is present by tone and humor!, So, playing the servant , a new time he killed Us! Love those series by BM, unique in the World, and I m french🤗🙋
That guy is great, we need more of him
In he bounded. 😂❤
Read the description 😉
How can you send comments from the grave?
Looking forward to the new exhibit, Persia to Greece.
I can't recall being so completely absorbed by this sort of presentation before. Really well done, thank you!
Terrific video, as usual. And the special guest appearance by the indomitable Dr. Finkel was tremendous. 😂
I'm Persian and love the video
I don't know if anyone's commented on this, but I must say, I really appreciated how this particular presenter repeats his most important points so that they really stick in the mind and you know how it all fits together! And of course the practical presentation is also great.
Yay Prof Finkel!
The wine spouting out of the chest made me think of how blood might flow if an animal were sacrificed. Was that part of the iconography of these objects? Were they intended to evoke ritual connotations?
But that’s not a sacrificial animal such as a ram or a lamb. That’s a griffin. They’re semi-divine creatures.
This is pure genius! What a way to educate us! Laughing and learning - love it!
قلبم میشکند وقتی میبینم میراث باستانی ایران در موزه های لندن ، پاریس و نیویورک است .
ای کاش بتوانیم یک روز میراث اجدادمان را پس بگیریم!!!! 🇮🇷❤️
نه اونجا بمونه بهتره چون نباید دست آخوندا بیوفته وگرنه همه رو میفروشن قاچاق میکنن یا خراب میکنن
وقتی آخوندا رفتن بعدش پسشون میگیریم
How fun it must be to have Irving Finkle as a coworker!!!
I've grown to enjoy this channel very much. This channel never disappoints. ❤
As a Persian I find this discussion to be fascinating. Thanks for sharing
The lovely Irving Finkel! Great addition to this video.
the Irving is great
The Irving is indeed great!
Luxury begins when you need to display your power.
not necessary, well, yes, wealth and power are associated with luxury, but culture also have an important role
Well done, Jamie Fraser!! Even though a certain "young professor" assisted in a most remarkable way!
He's a very good speaker.
@01:35 "... self-declared nemesis...." The Persian threat wasn't something the Hellenes just dreamed up.
Very interesting with humor! I remember Irving about how greek medicine was considering the Levant one. I've never seen a democracy, ceramic or silver, this is always elite's luxury. The Anatolian Rython reminds me those found in Thracian's treasures. As I'm living in South East Bulgaria.
Excellent! Thank you very much. ❤🎉
Clicked on this while having my evening wine. Perfect timing! I love learning how ancient cultures enjoyed the same mundane things we enjoy today but in such interesting and dramatic ways.
This was a really fantastic video! Some of the parallels and the differences between the two objects are quite striking at first glance already, but delving further reveals so much more not just about then, but about the times and the cultures overall. Really great work
i always get happy when you guys upload!! ready to learn something new today as well. Loved the humorous and fun way you explained this! Oh, and the cameo of Mr. Finkle was absolutely delightful!✨
the fact that drinking from the animal cups kind of makes you the animal is insanely cool
Loved the finest bowl you could find in the canteen and the awesome performance of both Jamie and Irving! hahahah this made my day
I can pour box wine in a similar fashion 😂
My only regret is that I can like this but once. The casting director deserves an Oscar.
love this
Fascinating. The objects in Jamie's hands really come to life and tell their tales. Having been to the exhibition, I really appreciate the depth of information he managed to fit in a few minutes. I hope we can see more of you in future, Jamie.
In serbian there is a saying, although mostly used by kids to ridicule other kids, due to its inherent sillyness) "ko se bije, taj se voli". it has multiple diferent, altough simmilar translations, most prominten are "who are fighting (each other), (they) are loving (each other)" or the, "who is beang beat(en), is being loved". The reason why I mention is that warfare between 2 groups, almost with a guarantee results in a shared influence. Rome is the prime example of that, they either responded with a new counter measure in occasion, in another sthraight up adopted thier enemies tactic, a lot of thier equipment arguably is ibero-celtic, and everything in between.
The Irving Finkle cameo killed me oh my god--
This was a lovely piece, thanks for all the hard work here.
There is no greater man of the world's nations than Irving ! Very instructive and entertaining session Jeremy.
very interesting
Absolutely fascinating. I've never heard or seen these objects before so I've learnt a lot. The explanation was tremendous. Thank you Jamie
Great work Jamie!
Also just loved the whole video and especially the demonstration!
what a terrific teaching model.thank-you.
I was lucky enough to visit the museum and see the exhibition, I can't overstate how good it was, what an amazing job!
Excellent vibes, ty
Learned something new. Thank you for this.
This was wildly fascinating and extremely well-done!
WHAT a presentation! Amazing!
fun learning
This was so awesome to watch to
It was kind of you to to give them credit.
I saw Irving talk in Newburgh, NY back in I think 2011 or 12. It was standing room only and everyone was completely enthralled.
This was so fantastic! Thank you!
Brilliant Video!
A brilliant interpretation, James.
The interplay between Greek and Persian cultures was most famously illustrated by Aeschylus' play The Persians (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Persians?wprov=sfla1 ). Modern critics are divided: some think it sympathetic to the Persians, others that it's actually gloating over Persian defeat. I'd like to think the former, but both are possible IMO - it's like asking yourself, did Shakespeare really sympathise with Shylock, or was he just trying to make his baddie more interesting? Perhaps both at the same time - people are complicated...
Best cameo since Stan Lee.
You did not just have Irving Finkle be your cupbearer! Joy!😂
thank you for the video
My DnD campaign just got 2 new magic items for 2 waring factions. There is definitely a werefalcon drinking from one of these.
Right on!
Very cool! That bird cup, in particular, is amazing!
My left ear had a great time listening to this video
this is most interesting thing i have seen this month. I am just an electritian, but i realy find it amazing. Good job
@4:52 I was lmao for real because that joke had layers and the timing was perfect.
Brilliant, thank you
This is very interesting, and the pouring moment was way too good.
Super!
ok, far too busy right now - trying to find time to watch all this wonderful new content - was already enjoying immensely, thank you Jamie - before the young strapping servant bounded in... all my love to always wonderful Irving Finkle 💖💗💖 - to you both - *thank you* 🍷🥂🍷
Sir, just marvelous 😊
Very informative
thanks for giving this great insight. My girlfriend and me just started doing some pottery and this was quite inspiring.
I love the british museum
Wow. Just wow.
Gotta love the coworker that tries to make you break your straight face.
This is why i love history
That cameo made me so very happy :)
Super cool video!
Sad day. 5:00 The babylonian captive is forced to serve his acheamenid overlord after the conquest of babylon. He might be King Nabonidus himself given the looks!
Well at least the priesthood aof Marduk was restored, I dont sorrow for the babylonians under persia, even not for this viral and manly servant ;)
Nebuchadnezzar was warned by God that he would lose his empire to Persia.
It looked like the animal was bleding when the wine run from the rhyton. Is that some symbolisme in that?
the content warning in the description of this video, is hilarious!
IRVIIIIIIIIING!!!!
I think that the Greek cup is a falcon. It has that "tooth" on the side of the beak that at least some falcons have.
"Here we are in the British Museum with a Greek wine cup..."
I cant wait to see it back in Greek hands after this event is done.
The Rhyton is also luxury in function in that the stream of wine aerates the wine thus mellowing the tannins and changing the flavor. Today fancy aerators are sold that due the same thing. Only someone who has the luxury to drink A LOT of good wine would care or notice the difference between aerated and unaerated wine.
Thank you for Irving!!!!
Das pretty dope yo!
The gryphon is a mythological creature, half eagle and half lion, voiced by Richard Briers
And advertising the Midland Bank
Who else snickered when the speaker talks about how one of the great things about the British Museum is that they "are able to take these sort of objects..."?
Wow. ♡♡♡
What an outstanding video. The Dr Finkle cameo was also excellent.
a wild Irving Finkle appears
I would pour the persian vase directly to my mouth !
Nice very nice....