Strong’s Angriest Interaction in Fallout 4
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He could’ve just said the serum was the milk of human kindness.
The kindness milk of human
Breastmilk 🤤
@@LadyViscerathe human of milk kindness
@@stupidjuice7804 Of kindness, milk the human
Man milk
Ironic that the super mutant doesnt want to be unwillingly turned into a human, when the entire plot of Fallout 1 was about humans unwillingly getting turned into super mutants
and a very small part of 3
It's kind of interesting because I think the fallout 1 mutants would probably be the most concerned with being forced to be turned back into humans. We see with Marcus in fallout 2 and New Vegas that he genuinely likes being a mutant, and has set up a Haven for other mutants who like being mutants. A good majority of the super mutants from fallout 2 and New Vegas are completely peaceful, and it's stated in New Vegas that super mutants have full protection as citizens under the law in NCR territory.
Dude, sure super mutants are unwilling victims at first, but the super mutants are stronger and more durable then an ordinary human, they're immune to disease and radiation poisoning.
This is perfect for a nuclear hellscape
It's weird, but most super mutants aren't the same people they were before getting dipped. Hell, It's entirely possible Strong is a 6-year-old girl with how much that stuff can mutate you. At best, some mutants retain memories, personality quirks, and/or intelligence, but the vast majority just become like strong, especially if they were a waste lander meaning they love the transformation and want nothing more than to spread the mutations.
@@tellg0t090 for specific examples, there's a Lily from fallout New Vegas who essentially got a second chance at life because she was an elderly woman when she was dipped into the vats at Mariposa.
All virgil had to do to defuse the situation was say "if they want to turn back into people" lmao
Funny enough the way he responded sounded like he was confused why strong was mad like "Yea I'm going to make more but not for you"
Bethesda writing...
This reminds me of the FO3 ending where if you had Fawkes with you, he could viably go into the compartment with the radioactivity and survive without issue, but the narrative basically chastised you for not wanting to risk yourself.
Just poorly baked / considered writing.
No, Strong didn’t want ANY super mutants changing back.
Monsters be monsters
That should have been a line/option, but I imagine Strong would have opposed it still even with that caveat (because it could be forced on others, or others could be tricked into changing back).
For real, all that smarts but no wisdom to simply express or want it to be people’s choices. Maybe Strong wouldn’t of been reassured but Virgil could literally just have tried to at least realize some might want to be human again and some not, heaven forbid choices though I guess. Idk I just hate ultimatums in games it takes me out of the roleplay when there is an obvious 3rd option
Imagine trying to turn back the pets of the super mutants the centaur 😮
Mate… lol I could see that looking even worse somehow!
I don't think that'd be possible to do without killing them or turning them into a mess of bodyparts writhing in constant agony given how mutated they became
@@UraniumFever76I imagine a resident evil type crawler zombie with 8 pairs of hands to cling onto otherwise unclimbable surfaces
Dog pile!
I miss the centhaurs from f3 fnv
It’s kinda odd, because while the super mutants may not consent like strong, they are also a very big problem in the commonwealth, and have been turned into super mutants non consensually in the first place. Not to mention how the FEV affects their brains, turning them more violent and simple minded as time goes on, even wiping their memories
Then one could make an argument that turning them back would be even worse. Virgil wasn't a super mutant for very long, who's to say the virus doesn't leave permanent damage after being cured, when the subject was a mutant for, well, years? You'd have a bunch of mindless, memoryless humans wondering around. Just fragile ghouls
And for that last part, how capable are they of actually making the decision to refuse treatment on their own?
It would be one thing if we're talking about mutants like Marcus or Fawkes, but is someone like Strong really capable of providing informed consent/refusal?
@@prophet3091 Strong most definitely provided refusal. With his fist in Virgil's face. Even if they couldn't, that raises even more ethical considerations
@@stalinbeballin9711 *_Informed_* refusal. As in are they actually capable of fully understanding the implications of the treatment they're refusing and making their decision based off of that, or do we need a third party (likely intelligent mutants who understand both sides) to act as a stand-in guardian for their best interest?
Plus, given the danger supermutants generally pose and the drawbacks of being one, I think reverting would be the default better option, akin to implied consent laws (ie. if someone collapses and you can provide CPR, it's assumed that they would want you to help them)
And Dtrong was a bad example, he probably could provide valid refusal, but many mutants wouldn't be able to make that decision alone
To be more specific only the institute strain degrades your intelligence with time the one from Mariposa is aleatory if you lost intelligence or retain it.
I did not know Virgils' story ran so deep. I know he gets mad at you when you destroy the institute.
Yeah right after this clip lol that’s why he kept getting the gun out
Agreed, Virgil is a solid character in Fallout 4.
They did my boy dirty by not allowing him to be a companion
Yeah sad that you never get to bring him back to the institute if you become director
@@lucax2300i didnt like him i gave him the serum and he was ingrateful i killed the people who exilled him and turned him into a mutant so i uppercutted him with a powerfist
Lets see we have a 200 year old person who’s been in a freezer most his life, a milk obsessed jolly green giant, and Dante’s brother
Nice dmc reference but even better been reference
@youngseedling5517
Actually, the names Dante and Virgil are originally from the first third of The Divine Comedy, a 13th-century Italian poem, where Virgil acted as Dante's guide through the various circles of Hell.
@ramboninjapirate5139 yes but he wasn't referencing the divine comedy because the writer said brother. Dante and the poet virgil were not siblings in the story.
@Cory-lk5bu oh, I see.
@@ramboninjapirate5139 I was actually making a dmc reference
to be fair, virgil only said "itll take a while to generalize my formula" and Strong immediately realized Virgil intended on distributing it to the masses.
Super Mutants like Strong are a lot smarter than they're generally given credit for.
*smarter, i believe?
@@Warrior10001 lol yeah, imma edit it now
i am not smarter.
yes and no, they keep the most amount of their initial intelligence on average, no matter how many rads or mutations they had prior. the issue is it deteriorates over time. similarly to fallout 3 super mutants, they keep on growing which causes them to go feral and become behemoths.
@@ckopen7192in fallout 1 it says that successful mutations caused a 200% increase in the user intelligence
@@shipy490 what do you mean? the whole reason the lieutenant tries to get the vault location out of you before turning you is because of the risk of memory/intelligence loss.
Made a deal with Virgil, so I had to help him. Honestly, if he wants to make more FEV to reverse the super mutant effect, his call. Same for the super mutants, since it will be their call if they wanna be human again.
@ghostwayfinder4971
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If you could cure madness would you first ask for consent from the insane? most super mutants have no memory of being human and have the mind of a child. Did the super mutants ever ask for consent from the people they kidnapped to turn into more super mutants? or what about the humans the super mutants go out of there way to hunt for food ? if asked by a settler why you didn't cure there child or sibling who was kidnapped kicking and screaming by super mutants and then turned into another super mutant but with no memory what would you say?
@@ghostwayfinder4971i would say if they remember their time as a mutant not to. Imagine killing you're former friends or innocent people and having to live with that now that you are sane again
@@JagmasterGeneral12374 would it not also be terrible to be killed as a monster you didn't choose to become? I mean I know it's extremely unlikely since this is the apocalypse after all but I would hope that anyone suffering from there memories as a super mutant could be helped through therapy otherwise your only option is to kill the super mutant
There is only one other sane Institute type Super Mutant with enough mental faculties to give consent, and that's the dog seller from Far Harbour.
Hopefully. I feel like Vergil would go institute and force it on some of them
What I’m interested in is if the formula is used on a Super Mutant that doesn’t have the ability to remember like Virgil did. Would they be the person they once were or would the be a human with a schizophrenic mind that is broken from years of rads and the FEV.
I think the state of mind is important. Virgil does mention that his mind is going and wants to change back before it is gone completely.
@@vegastrinait would probably do more harm than good to people like Lily Bowen from New Vegas. Rather ironically, being a Super Mutant might have been the only thing that let her remember - from the way she speaks of her "old life", she probably had Alzheimer's, so turning her human would break her mind entirely.
I think Virgil is jumping the gun and Strong isn't entirely wrong here. But it should be on a case by case basis.
@@GenocideHeart Virgil didn't really explain what the full plan is before strong got all mad all he said he will try and make more and hopefully distribute it
@@dudejoe24 I mean sure, but the Institute is even less prone to do the right thing than the Super Mutants, and without them Virgil has zero chances to do anything. Hell he couldn't even cure himself without the SS's help.
People talking about super mutants like literally 99% of them aren't blood thirsty psychopaths with the intelligence of a 5 year old who never chose to be super mutants in the first place.
EXACTLY! I don't get why people are defending the literal monsters - even Strong is one of them. He isn't a 'good guy'. He likes when you be aggressive, when you kill random people unprovoked.
it's only 99% of them in 3 and 4, and even then they're not much worse than human raiders
Thats a Bethesda fallout problem. Especially fallout 3 where they became a blank “bad guy” type enemy
Yes, and I don't see people arguing about the morality of killing Raiders.
@@shipy490
No it isn't. Play Fallout 1. Irradiated dips almost ALWAYS make dumb mutants. The Master preferred vault dwellers for this very reason.
I am so sick of fake fans who exclusively play New Vegas acting like Bethesda invented dumb mutants when they've always been a thing and of course happen more without someone like The Master.
We've all seen companions reacting and joining in a conversation between us and an npc, but it is very rare that the npc we're talking to acknowledging their existence, let alone replying to them. That's very cool
Super mutants are one of my favorite enemies in fallout
I'd always wished they had bows and crossbows made from the suspension of the wrecked cars and fired rebar, instead of just using human sized hunting rifles.
It's a shame Bethesda Super Mutants are basically just angry Ogres, they used to have more depth
@@CantusTropus So..basically nothing changed, the West ones are a lot more smarter but still basically just orks.
@@MrKezzerdrixthat's creative, and Bethesda is creatively bankrupt
@@hugoperez2993 that's so true
For most of them it would either be get cured, or be executed. Most only see Humans as food, so it would be a way to save them, rather than eradicating them.
Hopefully Virgil can generalize the formula, and work with the Brotherhood to get it administered on a wide scale.
Brotherhood would execute Virgil on the spot for being an institute scientist and would destroy the formula because of the belief that super mutants are far too gone
@@musicsheep9816i don't know if they'd kill him right away, IF the Institute is already destroyed. If it's still around then yeah. But if you blew it up already, I can see them using his mind to help the Brotherhood like they do with Madison Li if you recruit her
@@thunblot78There is literally a BoS quest to kill him after you blow up the Institute, cured or not (although you can sweet talk the quest giver if you have high enough Speech, it isn't an easy check though). Keep in mind *he helped them get into the Institute in the first place* .
@@musicsheep9816 Madison is also an Institute scientist, so I doubt that. Kells says they'll keep an eye on him, so hopefully when they find out he's trying to generalize a cure, they'll want to use it.
@@hanzzel6086 I honestly completely forgot about that quest
Strong understands that 'generalize the formula' means that Virgil intends to turn more Super Mutants into humans, and he understands that Fist was using Rex as bait when Rex didn't despite probably not having been told of this plan, showing that Strong really does have an intelligence of 6 for a reason.
Being simple doesn't mean you're dumb!
he's more intelligent than my fucking courier
9and me cause I almost spelled this competely fucked)
Hear me out...
We make it into syringer rifle darts.....
Finally, that gun won't suck!
i am pretty sure there a mod that do this
doesnt it still need like a week for them to transform back tho?
@@DevaDragon911 that's not as fun 😂
@Kernverstand hit a mutant "settlement" stealthily. And return a week later to your new settlement with your newly reformed settlers!😅🤣
I just cant believe they made it so virgil actually turns human again, because going from a massive supermutant body back to his exact tiny human body he was before just seems so ridiculous lol. how 😭
Don't you dare extinct my xp bags
You ever have a play through where it feels like you cant fast travel without running into super mutants?
@@mikeemmons1079 beep.beep.beep😮
@@mikeemmons1079yes
Virgil as a mutant has the same facial structure as Medic TF2.
I don't understand what was virgils idea, he is in the midle of the glowing sea! He is gonna die if he ever leaves
Which is why you're also stuck in the cave? 🙄
@@Rad-Dude63andathird you have fast travel posibly a rad-x and a hazmat suit. I'm pretty sure you'll be fine. Virgil has non of that
@@PurpleManYT1985 Arguably speaking, he probably has a way out, and even then, he could always ask you to bring him
The Glowing Sea acts as a natural defense for Virgil, why would he leave? His cave isn't even irradiated
@@PurpleManYT1985 So give him a Hazmat suit as a Side-Quest Mission? I mean, holy shit. It's not that hard.
Realizing strong isn’t trying to tear your arm off or any other friendly survivor because he searches for the Milk of Human Kindness to increase his power tenfold. So that he ca tear arms off more proficiently
Man should find the mariposa super mutants. Most of those guys are still sane and would probably love being human again.
True
Nice pfp btw
i doubt it. you gotta keep in mind, by the time you see them in new vegas theyre already over 120 years old. theres a good chance if they do get cured, theyll immediately drop dead of old age. not to mention its not even known if they can turn back. so far only institute supermutants have a cure, but thats a completely different strain of FEV.
@@concept5631 thank you!
@@RandomTransGurl You are most welcome.
Honestly probably not like Marcus for instance has stated that he likes being a mutant and so do many of the other mutants in his community
This episode of SpongeBob boys has been sponsored by horrid sin of insatiable carnal lust. apparently ´-`
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@@ultrakid8497 this may have been put on the wrong video.
My boy Strong. If nobody got me, Strong's got me.
I feel like there'd be serious mental issues for a super mutant to turn human. Many do not remember who they were so the result would be that of anguish and confusion
better than a bullet tho
@@fammersoninstant death or a life filled with emptiness and depression just because a doctor decided to turn you into a human?
My strong was on the computer as well. I dont know what he was looking up.
obviously he was looking for info about the milk of human kindness. what else could it be? :D
Supermutussy
@@chuni5942Fucking hell 💀
@@chuni5942 with a PFP like that I'm not surprised by this horrendous ass response
@@chuni5942 Aren't they all eunuchs?
The interesting thing is we've only seen virgil as the test subject who was already an intelligent supermutant and hadnt been one for long. What if a "savage" supermutant gets it, would they gain their intelligence back or would they stay the same. And if you were to give to someone like fawkes whos been alive for centuries at this point would he just be an old man?
They’d probably be more like amnesia patients maybe? And I feel like Virgil would recognize that mutants like Fawkes are okay to stay mutants since they are cognitive enough to not mindlessly attack things like most mutants, but idk
This is like asking a murderer in a psychiatric ward if they want help. Sometimes the people being helped aren’t the ones who should be calling the shots on their treatment.
I dont feel too concerned with the freedoms of those that attack me on sight.
Why does a super mutant need glasses? 😂
Honestly a great question lol not sure… human Virgil doesn’t need them. Pretty sure Strong has a line about ‘brothers seeing well in dark’ so doubt it’s because they have bad eyesight! Maybe it’s cosmetic to make him look smart.
I actually rly like the idea that the FEV can mutate someone but keeps their corrective lenses
The FEV made his eyesight go bad and worsen his motor skills
It's even funnier when you notice his lenses are broken too. Lol 😂
i mean it might make him feel more like his human self i think its just bc he likes to feel human
*"You don't want know..."*
I never knew until now that Bethesda just drops a 100% cure to FEV mutation. Literally why lmao
Strong would have a point- if he weren't literally brain damaged by the process of being made into a mutant
Imagine the canon being that super mutants no longer exist in games past this timeline. Would be weird without them lol
All they have to say is a vault opened up that was using a new strand of FEV resistant to the cure, and then have super mutants start pouring out of it into the wasteland. It wouldn't be the first time they retconned some lore using a similar excuse.
That was the idea. After Fallout 1 and 2 with the Master and the Enclave gone and the Mariposa base destroyed the remaining west coast super mutants became a dying race since they couldn't reproduce. But i don't really mind having them in other games, esp since we know West Tek and The FEV were a Government sponsored project.
There was a dead one in the show, obviously for research perhaps the cure failed or Virgil had a change of heart
Strong closely revealing his inner goku towards the end
I sadly had to kill Virgil cause I accidentally waited till after I blew up the institute to give him the serum and since he found out that I did it I had to kill him
Super Mutants are tragic.
Every single one of them was a human before. The Institute is a sick faction.
Yeah I would never side with them at this point, like seriously why would you side with a faction that does 💩 like this?
And no I highly doubt the faction would become better after you become director, if anything they would probably try to do everything they can to get rid of you or prevent any changes you want to become a thing.
Vergil says they have learned nothing from the Super Mutant program in a decade. Yet Shaun continues to waste his group's supposedly stretched resources on pumping the Commonwealth full of angry man-eating ogres, then has the gall to say that the people on the surface have nothing to fear from the Institute! Remember, every Super Mutant would have had to be teleported to the surface, at an immense power cost!
@@Darthwgamer
People wanna join the Enclave and that faction literally wants every single protagonist except maybe 4's dead for being born in the Wasteland. And they also _invented_ FEV, which lead to the formation of the BoS when a few decent troops realized just what kind of sick sick research they were guarding.
@@Rad-Dude63andathird 'Merica
@@Darthwgamer
Yeah pretty much lol
To those who ask what about the super mutants the ones with gore bags should be forced to turn back if they have intelligence like Marcus or anyothers it should be a choice
purge the mutant, the alien and the heretic from the shores of humanity
I mean, everything pisses off Strong.
Strong wants to live for 2 300 years.He don't want to live for only sixty and die like a normal human
I think it'd be cool if there was a DLC in fo4 where Virgil asks you for help in creating more syrum, you could then help Virgil by releasing the syrum into the air, set up research posts to capture and transform supermutants back and other little experiments you could run. You could possibly even turn strong back into a human ( I'd like to think he'd turn into an extremely snobby aristocratic man . ) You could possibly even discuss this with the brotherhood, either convincing elder maxim to either help Virgil with this or put a stop to the research.
It would be fascinating to see how his research would develop. Danse also hates Virgil being turned back I think.
He’ll turn into Goku because goku voices strong
@@UraniumFever76 Really? Didn't know that.
@@UraniumFever76 That's interesting.
I mean.. if I’m being honest Virgil is right here in the practical sense. The first gen super mutants that were just as smart as humans were actually perfect for the wasteland.
Nobody said the serum has to be used. It's just an option. Let the man cook.
Bet he wish he had that super mutant strength when strong was beating his butt 😂
To think Strong is voiced by Goku's English VA lol
I wonder how strong will feel about jacobstown
I just ant het over how it turned him back perfectly. Even his clothes are perfectly clean. Its just strange
I agree Virgil since you save more rounds and more life if you turn them all to humans which make the wasteland a bit more safer
Your manager is a pitbull. That’s the kind of person you want in your corner.
Strong understood the meaning of "generalized my formula"?
Strong's pretty smart. He also knows Rex Goodman is bait, when Rex didn't figure it out
A super mutant turned back into human is just a potential cannible waiting to get caught and killed…
Better being harder to kill lol
"One day Super Mutants will Kill everyone" "We win / You Lose human"
"This is NOT a Game human!"
If only lily was here to give her big green grand son a back hander for being so rude
This will forever be one of my favorite youtube videos ever lmao Brodie ur a goat for doing that and the editing is KINO
Strong always has my back, always
Virgil is an idiot . He gave up immortality and immunity to radiation to become human again . He managed to keep his intelligence yet thought that turning back into a human in the most radioactive place ever is a great idea . He will become a ghoul sitting there for a number of years and eventually go feral . What a smart guy .
He might have packed a radiation suit.
@@Cheepchipsable yeah, the one I stole from him lol
Actually...this is wrong. The FEV institute using is damaged and flawed, so he will became something like a swan over time (another intelegent mutant...for a while).
Hey it's the guy I go to for grinding guides on GTA lmao, but also the institutes fev is flawed so he would have gone mad after a bit and lost his intellectual ability but he still should have left the glowing sea before he cured himself ultimately it's just bad writing that he stays in his cave
Immortality and immunity to radiation mean nothing to you if you have completely lost your mind, which is his main concern - he even states that his mind's getting hazier.
Being a super mutant isnt all that bad.
The only issues are being sterile, dying from the f.e.v and losing your humanity and human mind.
But being super strong and durable, being immune to diseases and radiation poisoning.
If you can fix all those problems, youd have a race of super humans.
I can see why the master in fallout 1 wanted to infect humanity
Imagine if strong met President John Henry Eden and learned his plan to deal with the super mutants.
I actually didnt know this throughout all my playthroughs....interesting conversation...
i think virgil still had humanity and intelligence well intact at this point
others like strong lost most of it so reverting them back to human is pointless but it will make the wasteland safer for sure
I wish we could give strong the serum
How did i never think to bring strong this is a great interaction
Now strong gets how humans felt in fallout 1.
Sheesh, Virgil really failed to read the room with that one! 😆
Makes me wonder what the person Strong used to be would actually think.
Strong: Me looking for milk of human kindness.
Also Strong: You not make Strong human!
Seeing Strong Fat Finger the terminal was not something i thought i needed to see.
"Think strong, the milk of HUMAN kindness? You need to be human for the milk of human kindness"
What a fascinating interaction! :O
When they are a super mutant they won't want to be turned back into a human but when they're a human they were glad they were turned back
strong never shuts the hell up. whenever i’m at my workshop he is ALWAYS TALKING.
Instead of trying to force this onto the super mutants, he should just give this to the BOS as a way to neutralize super mutants without wasting ammo trying to kill them.
Lyons BoS would be all over it, Maxims literally tells you to kill Virgil even if he's been cured. And Danse hates you curing him...Sooo, yeah I don't think they would help. Try the Minutemen (or even the Railroad. Hell, maybe even the Gunners) instead.
Edit: Stupid autocorrect doesn't like Danse. And yet it missed "curimg". Smh.
@@hanzzel6086 It’s not about the morality of it, it’s about saving ammo and resources trying to take them down.
@@Wild-Card07 I don't think they care, they seem plenty willing to throw resources away to me.
@@hanzzel6086 true…
@@Wild-Card07morality is subjective, keep it for yourself
I know super mutants like Fawkes or Lily would love to become human again and all those poor centaurs
Fawkes prefers the term "Meta Human" and I'm not gonna argue with someone that can turn me into paint.
El supermutante amigo del 3 estaria feliz de ser humano nuevamente, aunque tendria mis dudas, ya que al ser supermutante tiene ventajas y posiblemente sea un especimen estable con su mente y no pasaria a ser una piedra por el deterioro mental
If i were virgil i wouldn't have waited until after leaving the glowing sea to drink that
Nah, the conversation should of gone "I won't make any super mutants who don't wanna be human"
Then that would be none of them. East coast mutants are generally very stupid and even Westcoast mutants who did keep their humanity prefer being mutants
I love the part where Virgil says : "heal yourself strong, get Dante. after that, we'll settle the matter"
Finally, something i didn't know. I never got Strong as a companion due to game crashes in that area.
it would be a cool mod to have it where for dialogue you can convince the good professor to make a serum that gives the super mutants and memories and intelligence back and dials down over aggression so they can decide for themselves. it should be an easier serum to make, while he works in the final one. In game mechanics. You get the option to bring him supplies so he can craft it this serum for you. To make it more complex, It will be two injections you administer through the syringe gun in order that incapacitates super mutants for five minutes then makes them NPC you can recruit for your settlements. Dropping 20 dialogue trees and have them buffed in 20 different skills so they can specialize for farming merchant scrapping guard work or other such things.
Fascinating! I need to have strong around some more! Didn't know he would react to vergil like that! That makes sense and it's a cool detail! 😅👍🏻
Now there might be a couple super mutents who wiuld like to be human again,but there are potentially hundreds who perfer being as they are
You're assuming any of them have the mental faculties for it. All Super Mutants were never given a choice to become Super Mutants. The Super Mutants never asked for consent from their victims, so why bother asking them for consent when they just want you dead and to consume your flesh.
Bethesda when retconning all of the downsides of being a super mutant with a funny little side quest
The institute could avoid all of their problems if they could get it through their skulls that they can’t decide for everyone
I think it's very important to don't always do things that your companion will like cuz it doesn't feel like your choice anymore.
It does open a surprisingly layered question. Super Mutants (at least in FO4) are sentient, autonomous beings that seemingly hold their whole identity in their being a super mutant. They’re violent, yeah - but turning them into humans is tantamount to unconsensually digging around in a psychopath’s brain to make him more docile.
Strong is actually right. Though they are evil, super mutants are what they wish to be.
mostly because most of them are losing their grip on reality and, at times, sentience. None of those who became SM wanted to become one. After all, little to no madmen realise they are in fact insane.
bro thats just toxic Empathy you got there.
Super mutants are legit straight up mentally handi capped toddler's who don't have a point of view to look and choose from due to there individuality being stripped away and even than I doubt strong even understands the gravity of what it actually means to give his consent and choose.
And MF most super mutants aren't like Marcus who by the way wants to become human again due to his mind not being destroyed by the master. And bro this is the wasteland those same mutants who are trying to protect with the excuse "2 wrongs don't make a right" would eat you on sight not really out if malice but due to the simple there mentally broken and not being mentally cognitive enough to actually under the gravity of right or wrong. its not that they don't understand right or wrong they just don't understand the very weight it holds the same way children get the concept but can't fathom the responsibility it brings.
And it's the goddamhe waste land if there's a way to get rid of super mutants without pulling a brother hood of steel and genocidimg them which is the most logical reaction due to how much trouble they are than would you take it?
As they re store there numbers by kidnapping more humans who in turn become super mutants who in the process want to stay as super mutants due to the person inside of them being dead.
It's like denying a dementia patient a cure because they keep forgetting they have dementia and in the process don't want it. Isn't that harming the patient and leaving there lives ultimately worse of because you can't grow a pair to actually save them because it doesn't fully align with your ideals?
Try to put yourself in the perspective of a waistelander who lives in the fallout universe and actually supplying yourself with that same level of POV, instead of looking from it from our comfy modern point of view as the closest most of us in this comment section could ever get to actuall struggle is working at Costco and not being able to pay tuition, as that's the POV your looking from.
And doing so do you realize asking super mutants nicely on whether or not they want to be human again so they can't stop eating people unless there intelligent as Marcus is an ultimately dumb and stupid descion. As the idea that benefits nobody because you want there consent which just ends with more people getting killed.
That why I'm saying we all gotta grow a pair especially when making descions based of what your character itself would make if you ultimately lived in that world. Where life is Hard, food is scarce and where your more likely to get turned in to a cabab sandwich than actually live to old age. And that's how I base most of my descions when playing RPGs such as fallout as it helps getting immersed in to the game.
By making descions I would make if I lived in that world and lived the life my character lived through a experienced and bassing my descion making around that. Not what I would do if my life consisted of doom scrolling on tik tok and buying door dash after a fallout playthrough.
Not even, and what even gives him the right to speak on behalf of all super mutants? It’s like 2287, they can speak for themselves
Vergil really thought he could take on a supermutant and the guy that just went and blew up the institute he wasn't that smart
i remember after this you have a conversation with him and he has a charisma check or something and he understands why virgil himself or something like that
strong is just that one companion you bring with you if you want to do a war criminal route but also want a companion that will give input (sorry dogmeat)
You can also calm strong down and settle things peacefully
I did this, Strong being my all time favourite companion. But for whatever reason, whenever I load my save I still have the "Check on Virgil" quest, even though the cave on the map says: [CLEARED]
After this I sat that guy in the bench. Is bad enough he dislike anything I do like even getting on a power armor. That whole jock dumb outburst did for me. He is down at Jamaica plains by himself.
And thats why strong stays on that tower.
If strong gets cured, it'd he a human who sounds like Goku. Seems that's a good trade, ngl.
I get it. Most super mutants other than masters just don't have the cognitive ability to see the logic in being healed. That might also be exactly why they should be healed but still,if they didn't want to turn and then was pissed as a human they might still be just as aggressive.
What I think is hilarious is if you destroy the institute Virgil goes insane saying you destroyed humanity's last hope it's like dude have you forgotten why you left
Imagine if you could give the serum to strong instead of Virgil
Headline: Post-pocalypse Egghead NOT *Concerned* With *Consent*!
This is the canon ending to the FEV cure