Compound Turbo Design and Sizing Working on First Gen Trailer Towing Power House with Area Diesel
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- Опубликовано: 9 сен 2024
- In this video I take a dive into the components I will be using to build a Compound Turbocharger Setup for my Dodge Cummins 12V. This setup is designed with driveability and useable power in mind more so than a racing max power setup. Increasing fuel mileage and lowering EGT's is a desired benefit. Follow along for the build and for the results. Also be sure to check out Area Diesel's video @AreaDieselService on machining the exhaust housing and subscribe to their channel as they have good diesel content on a broad array of topics. Thanks for watching!
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Thanks again to everyone for the comments/watches and checking out our channel and business. We try to keep up with the video comments to answer any specific questions, but you can also hit up our chat now feature on our website (www.areadieselservice.com) or email (parts@areadiesel.com) / call (1-800-637-2658) for more immediate response M-F 8-5 ~~~~ And as always a HUGE THANK YOU to Brian!
Area Diesel has a good guy in the videos. I enjoy listening to him, using the correct terminology and describing everything correctly as I listen to fact check him lol. He really seems to know his stuff and I intend to use them in the future for injectors and such. Brian get rid of those 3.07's! In my opinion they really load the engine and make it work all the time. Especially towing and with the awful gaps in the Getrag. Happy to see you doing more 1stgen Cummins content, the stuff I know you for.
I like the 3.07 for towing because I can run in 4th and not kill the tranny. With no trailer it is very free running even in 5th. With the right turbo setup it should be strong in that 1500-2500rpm range I usually run in. The Ve fuel falls off with rpm so I can make more power and torque by making a setup that lives down low. Also it is nice to just come off idle and bam it is gone like a 450+cid gas engine. 🙂
For the first third of the video, I thought this was for the forklift. 😳
Looking forward to seeing how it works out for ya, Brian. I've got an 01 Cummins that is looking for a towing upgrade.
Forklift engine bay is pretty narrow. It would be hard to fit a set of twins in there.
Gday Brian, sounds like it’s going to be an interesting build series, I hope you guys are ok after the tornados, we have been watching it on the tv here in Australia, bloody sad mate, Cheers
I had some wind damage but nothing major.
OMG, this is going to be so nice! I can't wait for the install and first drive!
Brian, I viewed Area Diesel's video and I was rea;;y impressed with their equipment and machining talent. While you have the brain power and manual machining skills you really should up your game.
Thanks for the view John!
Only thing I know about turbos is how to spell the word..
Lookin forward to it!!
Awesome! Looking forward to watching this come together 👍
Nice Brian, can't wait to see the build up and installation!
You and me both!
You look like a kid opening presents on Christmas Day!!! Merry Christmas to you Brian!!🎄
You too!
I will be watching these segments with great interest. Please show as much of the fabrication and thought on placement as you can stand to video! Learning from other fabricators is extremely satisfying.
Will do!
Proper turbo application is tricky enough on its own, so of course you launch into a compound turbo setup. If anyone can pull this off it's you, Brian!
Brians got some boom boom☻
Funniest line of the day..."no one wants to hear that for thousands of miles especially when you get older" What was cool in my teens makes my ears bleed at 56.🙄😁👍👍
Watched the Area Diesel video already so good to see the parts have arrived at your workshop, looking forward to seeing how all those parts go together :)
More to come!
This will be a fun series to watch! I’m running an HX40 over an HT3B in my 2nd gen 12V. The 40 was modified by Piers Diesel wayyy back when which helped the lag. It’s pretty old school still a bit laggy (as you mention) but it’ll move enough air to burn all the fuel I can hose through a set of DDP4 injectors. I do tow a lot and egt’s are rarely a concern.
You’re going to love this setup!
That was a really common setup 15 years ago. I can even remember installing some of those kits. Lots of them used the stock turbo with a 21cm exhaust and the 3b they still made a huge difference in gets. Curios how far back you got yours is your engine fire ringed or piano wired gasket?
@@bcbloc02 it was probably back in about 2004, like you said it was common back then. I ran the modified 40 as a single for several years before adding the rest. The head is “o-ringed”. It’s been a pretty reliable setup for me, I ran it for years on my ‘96, then bought a ‘98 12V back in 2013 and swapped everything into that truck.
@@woodenhead8887 I have one guy here local I did a setup like that for that pulls a backhoe. It was built with 370 pistons 5x.014 injectors a 215hp pump set to cut fuel just before the timing retards fire ringed with stock head bolts. It dynoed 550hp and 1200tq at Scheid one year. It is still going with over 300K miles now only had the valves adjusted and a couple of fuel transfer pumps.
I have a 63/71/14 on my truck now and super laggy gonna upgrade to compounds just can’t decide between a he351 62/65, 63/68/12 or 62/65/12 paired with a 171702 75/96/1.32 or a s480 with a 1.10-1.25 AR. If you have any recommendations of which s480 to run or opinions on the combination I would appreciate it.
Truck is a daily driver and would like to still be able to tow my 10,000lb camper here and there (once a year at most) looking for a 600-700hp. It seems anything over 750hp and daily driven don’t mix.
This is a great project and thanks for explaining low RPM boost.
Can't wait to hear the sweet music your truck will be making. I for sure will be here, I only wish I was able to help you put it together.
Take Care and Stay Safe.
Bob
You lost me after you opened the first box but I can't wait for the series to start. Always interesting and informative videos Brian. Hope that you missed all the horrible weather. Best wishes to you and your family for a wonderful holiday.
Very fortunate for no real damage as I discovered today that storm cell that destroyed Mayfield tracked right over my house later.
I watched the Area Diesel video yesterday and was wondering when you would have this one up. Looking forward to the videos of this project. We really need to get the Area Diesel machinist a lead hammer for adjusting castings in his lathe, that ball peen hammer really made me nervous!
Stop, Hammertime.
I had to go back to 2:36 a couple of times. What I heard the first time was "Bailey Driver"
Now that Baily is 16 he drives all the time. :-)
Do what ever you want, you do it right. I wish you and your family Happy Christmas.
Let there be boost!
Nice parts, ready to go.
Thats some nice parts Brian. Looking forward to seeing how it comes together and how the truck runs with this turbo. Should be a real nice setup!!
Looking forward to the installation and results.
Interesting project, Brian.
Merry Christmas and may health, wealth, and happiness reside in your home.
Thanks for sharing.
Thanks!
God that truck is gonna be awesome! I can't wait to see more!
Hey Brian, hope your OK and the tornado's missed you.
Outstanding Brian looking forward to the build
Very neat stuff. Looking forward to seeing the project. Thanks
Thanks for the turbo knowledge. I'll be watching your videos.
Im looking forward to this build .. and hearing your commentary on the why's and how's of your choices. I couldnt supress a small chuckles around the 5 min mark when you tapped your head and "reasons" .. gotta keep a few secrets in the bank!!!
Thanks for sharing 🇨🇦
Right on
The internet already knows the largest turbo is always the correct design. It improves bottom end all the way through red line. Improves responsiveness and efficiency. I mean I even started growing hair on the top of my head again. Largest turbo is the only way to go! LOL
Bigger is better!
HES A MAD MAN!!!!!
Looks like a great Spring an early Summer project. Thanks for the look.
Good video brian
You didn’t even watch 2 minutes before posting that lol
@@brianwalk108 I always watch the entire videos since the channel interests me..but I always give a like and a comment first so that I don't forget .. I have to respect the few serious channels that are on RUclips..a greeting
@@TrPrecisionMachining ha ha me too, the RUclips machinist Channels are awesome, haven’t found one yet that I didn’t find interesting
@@brianwalk108 I invite you to take a walk through my little channel and maybe some video is of your interest .. a greeting from Spain
@@TrPrecisionMachining challenge accepted!
Very interesting project Brian.
Thanks for sharing.
Interesting I will be watching . My Dodge is 2001 6 speed .
This'll be good. I'd like to see the kid that things he really has something run up against you. Like the long legged R-model that the wrench man had doctored running up with a Pete on the big road around 90 m.p.h. Side by side the Pete driver hollered 'Watch this' and grabbed the last one when my pal in the Dog hollered back on the c.b. 'Watch THIS' and grabbed one too. Be good for going to get more bonz. Scratch the knothead for me and GBWYall!
I'm really looking forward to this one bud, thanks!
Looking forward to this project Brian.
I am very interested to see how this turns out as I just picked up a 1996 P-pump truck. Looking at a couple compound setups, one of them uses a VGT setup and controller so you exhaust braking like the later models. Hope this gets done soon, I will be glued to the screen! If you were closer I would come help!
VGT adds performance at the expense of longevity and a lot more cost in my opinion.
@@bcbloc02 wish they made a real jake for the 5.9...
It would be a great test to run the s300 first. That would be the best baseline for the compounds. Thanks for the documenting the build.
Brian, "only" 400 HP? You're slipping up! Great to see you coming up with some fantastic stuff.
Good project Brian
🇬🇧🙂
Brian - your link to Area Diesel's video has an embedded timestamp in it, so it causes the video to start at about 5:41 into it. I'm pretty sure that was not intentional. You need to pull off the "&t=341s" part at the end of the URL. Besides that, thanks for the update - it's way over my head, but still interesting.
I tried to fix it but can't tell if it did. Thanks for the heads up! Computers are also way over my head. LOL
@@bcbloc02 It's not exactly right, but it now seems to work. Now the URL has a rogue "=0s" on the end. I think your browser (or YT) is trying to be 'smart' and making a URL designed to 'continue' where you personally left off. Not sure how one normally copy/pastes a raw URL into a YT description box. You may get a best URL by going to the video and using the 'Share' button and copying the URL it shows there. I know a bit about computers (my career world for 30+ years), but they never cease to come up with new ways to do unexpected things. grrr.
Cool 👍👍😎👍👍
Looks like a fun project Brian.
Yeah I think you surprise the shit out of Abom when you took off on that forklift. It looked like a dragster off the line.
Vroom vroom!
Cool
Brian, don't make me get my new 7.3 power stroke out... looking forward to this build. Ford did my build $23,000.
Have you seen the Cummins Cuda Muscle Rod Shop is building for Matt from the Demolition Ranch channel ? it has some crazy Turbo stuff happening.
Love your videos
Merry Christmas Brian! It looks like Santa has come early!
For sure! Santa likes to trade $$$ for goodies. :-)
Right on man 👍👍
I hope you are alright from the Tornados.
No major damage here. Very fortunate!! Thanks for keeping us in mind.
Brian, are you sticking with the VE? Hope so! Can't wait to follow along. I'm currently gathering parts to build my '70 Sweptline with a ve-pumped 12 valve. The turbo I want to run is still a big ???. I doubt I will pop for compounds. But this will still be super interesting.
If you tow compounds are the way to go. Empty truck you have a lot of options depending on how you want the power curve. Yes my truck will stay a VE the built in timing advance allows for superior driveability and fuel mileage versus a p-pump although it does power limit you. I( am power limited by my radiator size anyway as the frontal area of these trucks isn't enough to cool over 600hp i don't think regardless of what radiator you put in it. My common rail buddies find they can't run over about 500hp continuous or coolant temps eventually heat soak and they derate. Of course they are grossing 40k to be putting down that kind of hp for several minutes pulling grades.
Hiya Brian
The name of this turbo build should be "How Dare You" 😉
I am trying to decrease smoke and increase efficiency so maybe Greta will approve?? Of course I am still burning dinosaurs so probably not. LOL
Brian, you have that CNC milling machine sitting unused in your barn shop you would need to acquire that profile measuring tool and some programs and you could do that type of work for fun and profit and maybe stat along a whole new path. By the way what happened to your girl friends car engine project?
She got another car so now it is just I need to fix it to sell it project.
Xmas has come early apparently!
Wow.
What kind of power numbers are you shooting for on the 12 valve?
I am guessing it will be 400-450rwhp
So why the T6 frame on the atmosphere charger instead of T4 if the A/R is the same? You already said you aren't going to be spinning it high. Just trying to understand, not question.
The casting I have to hook the exhaust housings together is made for t6. I also think there is some transient benefit to having some plenum volume between the turbo stages. No concrete data but seems it is that way from my experience.
Brian
very Interesting project you have going there. now for info I am never going to attempt such a project. OK my BMW has a turbo and a traction battery . here is my question do these turbos operate in parallel or series ? , a BMW we had a couple of years ago was badged twin turbo , but the mark one eyeball could only see one , I assumed it had vanes in it to alter the boost , it worked well and did not have a noticeable lag but that may have been the 8 speed steptronic box and the ECU making adjustments on the fly .
How's Bailey doing ? the Bailey we sponsored is now with his blind owner and is doing very well . latest one is Kevin , that makes 8 dogs we have sponsored though their training
be safe and say safe from Stuart & Linda
They are series in my setup and thus compound. I have seen a turbo that had 2 different sized compressor wheels on the same turbine shaft so perhaps that is what you had.
@@bcbloc02 thanks Brian for the info
Would a 5.9 24 valve use the same turbos as you 12 valve? I would assume so. I can't wait to see this series finished.
Yeah displacement and rpms is the key factors in sizing.
Do you see a CNC in your future?
I mean I own one but don't know hardly anything about programming or running it so it is something I would like to get into but finding the time to learn it all and get it setup and going has been hard.
does your truck have overdrive. i had one that had 3.07 gear but no overdrive always wanted to see how one would do with 3.07 and over drive and lockup
Yeah mine is a 5spd manual so 4th is direct and 5th is a .77overdrive
So buddy, don’t you have a bench that doesn’t have nothing on it? I feel the pain of your knees (my knees couldn’t take it)
Can't wait to see the coal roll.
Curious as to what size turbine wheel and housing a/r you’re running on the low pressure?
87mm with a .90ar
Brian, where u at?
Shelby County Ky
What’s a good way to contact u. Thanks.
email me bcbloc02 at yahoo
fun stuff, will that stocking hat be sufficient trade to get you out of fixing her car ? :)
I hope! LOL
x1100 fork is over 500hp i think
Perhaps I need to preface it with highway width. The 10 and 12ft wide forklifts don't count because they won't go down the road legally.
you must have survived the tornados Merry Christmas
Yeah fortunately the tornadoes were 100mi south of here.
that 472 should be really good.. From my experience with the HE351cw I just love how it drives, I have a 67mm turbine in mine and don't see any reason to want smaller, especially on an automatic tranny truck.. Power driven diesel/horsetorques diesel put down 1300hp with a 351 and I think an S475 or 480... My goal is 1000 hp so I'm looking for an S475
Look forward to seeing yours come along!
The 72E outflows the old 75. Either would be very tapped out at 1000rwhp I would think you would need to be at an 80 or bigger to support a solid grand to the tires.
@@bcbloc02 true.. but upgrading within a frame size shouldn't be too hard.. in "fun mode" 1000hp would be nice, but it won't have to live at that power level long.. it'll probably be half that most of the time. What did you figure peak power capability would be from your setup? Staying with the VE pump you're probably going to be fuel limited more than anything
@@Rx7man I doubt it will ever be over 500rwhp with the 12mm VE My goal is to have egt's stay under 1200deg under all conditions. Peak power for this setup should be right at a grand if egts and fueling were not an issue.
Hey Brian you need to be more careful in the first part of your video I can see your Johnson.
Oh that took me a minute