I'm LOVING Stories 2 so far, but I really prefer how genes worked in the first game. If we could have the first game's gene system, mainly the permanence of your monster's new element, but with the "put them anywhere you want" feature from Stories 2, I think it would be perfect. Also, it's a shame how elements no longer have as much of an effect on monsters and their kinship attacks. I really hope it's just broken and not intentional, because changing monster elements and seeing it reflecting in their kinship attacks (not just the end explosion) was one of my favorite features from the first game.
Mhs1 had fewer monsters and was easier to animate. You'd have to manually create several kinship attacks per element for every monster unless they literally just change the colour of the effects to reflect the colour you're using. That would be amazing, but that would require separate assets and probably would take another month or two worth of development.
it honestly just feels broken when you compare it to MHST1, and it probably is. they probably were expecting everything to be working right on release but something mightve happened. the pandemic, even though its getting to an end is still here and this could be one of the many things it affected, just a wild guess tho
@@Aykalia It's not broken, quote from developer: "In Monster Hunter Stories, we included a mechanism to change the attributes and elements of Monsties through channeling, but we have omitted that this time" So they removed it, the broken part is that there is still left over that should be gone, not the other way around.
Here’s to hoping they come out with a patch to fix all the bugs in the elements soon! Still going to enjoy the game to the fullest, even if a few things are broken.
@@FakeHeroFang I saw already and I am extremely pissed that they are treating the remnants of a great game mechanic as a bug and plan to completely remove it in a future update
It'd be much easier to just have the "Gene dominant" color take over the monster visually. This way they wouldn't need to change every Kinship animation out there to match, I just want my Thunder Naruga back- Looks wise, at least. At the very least let us earn "Monstie Layers" for the colors
Really sucks that the elememt system got destroyed. It was what kept me coming back to stories 1 just putting different elements on monsties and seeing how they look.
Yeah If the element system was like stories 1 or similar I would be experimenting as much as a mad scientist but with the system as it is now really sucks and is a bummer that it's this way and the fact that the devs wanted to get rid of it since the rite and element swapping is one of the major reasons I wanted Stories 2 besides the story.
Pretty disappointed with how theyve butchered the element change system in this game. It used to be hard to get certain really strong element monsties at certain points in the last game which was why having the element change was so useful. Having an ice Yian Garuga, a dragon Seregios or Molten Tiggy, having a water Green Nargacuga, HELL even the preorder bonus monsties I got such as my water Rathian or Fire Zinogre that helped carry me through points of the game and provided so much more flexibility. Getting to change an element meant I could have more focus on making sure I could vary my team more/have my favorites/make sure I had more attack type variation while still keeping every element type on my team. It sucks as honestly changing elements was one of my favorite parts and I made such good and interesting monsties. They tried to change the system but messed it up. I kinda miss how simple the element resistances and strengths were in the first game and them being unchanging with level and how I could see every one. I'm still trying to work out the use and ability of all my monsties and my own gear due to the lack of transparency of resistances themself vs the first game They really did kill one of the key components of the first game in terms of customization and mystery. In seeing another person's team and not knowing what elements they would have until the monstie came out.
@King Ghidorah75 The fix would be to remove it all together. "In Monster Hunter Stories, we included a mechanism to change the attributes and elements of Monsties through channeling, but we have omitted that this time"
I love them changing elements, it makes there so much more to do for me, having a team of the same monster that all deal different elemental damage, and all look unique from each other
I think its because they used the first game data quite a bit in this sequel. (same animations, etc). So it effects the "OG" monsties appearance normally but not the new monsties. They must have cut corners and left in a lot of data from the first game without bothering to remove some of it such as the colour change. Maybe its to touch up on it later, or maybe they decided halfway through, hey this is a ton of work, our deadline cant allow us to make any more. This is probably why one of the NPCs have a fire element coloured Velocidrome, without any fire element genes.
@@asheronwindspear552 I think the theory here is that they didn't add the color changes, but rather some of the programming that caused them still exists in the game from portions they used from the first Stories. Perhaps it was an oversight when they were intending to fully remove the element changing system, or perhaps it simply became too difficult to remove it or it was decided it would take too much time or cause worse bugs to happen.
The first game wasn't clear on how this change worked, but after a little research, the system was actually brilliantly simple. You got to see all elements, all genes that increased elemental attack would influence your monstie, and it would stick permanently onto the monstie because there was no elemental growth through leveling. I admit, I did already intend to not mess with elements too much, unless a monster already had a specific inclination to a secondary element, or maybe do my meme builds for an Ivory Lagi with Rath genes and a Ratha with Lagiacrus genes... But still, this is so opposite of what the first game promised. If I can't have a dragon Anjanath or a fire Deviljho or a water Gammoth, then these monsties aren't fully customizable.
@@Ochobi_8bit the only big criticisms I heard were accusations about it taking attention away from Rise, not much in the way of attacks on the game itself.
@@generic........ Personally, I have several criticisms: - Bland and barren overworld environments. - Den designs are extremely repetitive. Combined with my first critique, it exacerbates the monotony of exploring dens. - Lack of battle music variety and no music during overworld exploration. - Double attacks have no drawbacks and are far too easy to pull off. This trivializes most engagements. - Forced AI companions that make encounters unnecessarily more difficult and often frustrating because of poor AI programming. - The ability to change monstie elements which adds a layer of complexity to the rite of channeling system.
I am genuinely so sad that this feature was only partially implemented. I absolutely loved changing the element of my monsters in the first game and seeing how cool their kinship skills looked and how cool their color changes looked... I had things like a dragon Azure Rathalos, a water Seregios, and an electric Shrouded Nerscylla and it was my favorite thing that kept me coming back time and time again to keep getting monsties and changing their typings to see what they looked like. Heck, it was one of the only reasons I kept going back to the game, even well after they stopped adding content to it (like after they didn't localize the extra story stuff and not adding the extra elder dragons + Rajang)
Interesting that they want to promote variety with making your monster builds, but then break the part that actually reflects your customization I agree and hope that this is a bug that will be patched
Yeah now the variety is my zinogre looks the exact same as another persons zinogre and I cant mix element genes to throw out crazy random combos that might be better like my dragon quropeco against a dragon weak element monstie. Only thing they really did was add rainbow gene and it feels like a big downgrade to me.
Yeah, I honestly think that this system is kinda unfinished or was quickly thrown together, so hopefully they can fix this in the future by letting you see all of your monstie’s elemental status and increase certain elements higher then normal
@@Element-rb6ez I believe I saw the developers mention somewhere that development on this game started not long after the first launched So it could just be the remains of the old system that they put in really early, but broke when stat growth was reworked Would explain why it only shows on a select few monsters, a majority being from the first game
@King Ghidorah75 Yeah I'm glad Stories 2, World and soon Rise are on PC since mods can help to fix broken features like the element swapping and add stuff like making non monstie monsters monsties is nice. All I need now is a PC or something like the steam deck or a full on PC but for me that years from now.
Finally, I was waiting for information about that because I did it a bit at random in the first game... And didn't find that much things about it in any vids. And so about all of the issues, this could be broken and fixed later with updates
I'm really glad that you guys and other youtubers were able to bring info like this and the unobtainable monsties to the masses before we sunk hours upon hours into working on things that as it is now just aren't obtainable. I, and I'm sure lots of other people, really appreciate your hard work. Hopefully Capcom will take notice of this and roll out a patch to fix the elemental weirdness at some point in the future.
Loving the game, but this is really a huge problem. I’ve spent most of my time playing trying to get my Tigrex to look like my one from the original stories, but clearly there’s not even a point anymore. It’s going to be a huge disappointment if it doesn’t get fixed soon, it was by far the feature I was looking forward to most with this game
Question, is it possible to max level a monstie first and then change their element as a workaround? I'm assuming this wasn't their intention, but I was wondering if that could work in the meantime
@@714KH I don't think so, since their inherent element scales higher and higher at higher levels, meaning it will always be a bigger number than the other elements no matter what boosts you give the other elements.
@@Ryodraco oh, so you're basically saying that no number of genes would outmatch it's max number in its native elemnt, so it wouldn't even change elements at max level?
@@714KH Yep, apparently the highest level at which changing elements can work is level 15 (or maybe it's level 15 that it stops working, Arekkz Gaming just made a video on it if you want more details).
Thank you soooo much. I thought I was just being a blind moron for not being able to find the elemental values per monstie, now I just know that capcom was a wee bit of a jerk on this part
there was an interview, I think by siliconera, where the developers said they removed the feature to change a monstie's element. so, if I had to guess, what's happening here are leftovers from a mechanic that was removed late into development, but they didn't fully get rid of it.
Looked it up for you: "In Monster Hunter Stories, we included a mechanism to change the attributes and elements of Monsties through channeling, but we have omitted that this time. We decided it is more efficient to develop strengths (for example the original attributes), and even among users who played Stories, not many people knew how the mechanism worked. Instead, for Stories 2 we greatly increased the number of skills that can be passed down, which I think increases the fun of creating original monsters." - Kenji Oguro, Director
@@awildbidoof6155 It means it wasnt intended to be in the game at all, and all this is probably a left over from the stories 1 game engine/code. Its more likely to be patched out rather than fixed.
@@Missiletainn This makes me sad, but thank you for clarifying. I wanted to make a mini Seregious with fire element and call him Slim Bazel. but if the element thing doesn't work then that's a shame.
@@Missiletainn "increases the fun of creating original monsters" Oh yeah, cause nothing says "more original" than a simple skill, definitely not something like an entirely new element and physical/cosmetic change to the monsters appearance. "So what can your pet do?" "It knows how to sit." "WOW, that's SO original. Mine just has fur of fire and knows how to breathe flames, totally lame."
Personally this is absolutely gutting, I never got to use the system properly in Stories 1 because I didn't have a DS and wasn't going to pay £20 for the mobile version so I was really excited to change colours of monsters on Stories 2 but now seems like it'll never be possible. I hope they retcon their decision to omit it and update it back into the game.
I'm curious, why do you not want to pay $20 for the mobile version? I know mobile gaming gets a bad rap but the mobile port is quite good, and its a full length handheld console game for $20. Tbh I'd much rather pay a bit upfront than getting bombarded by ads by freemium games.
@@GeanAmiraku I can't get stories 1 on mobile since I don't have a mobile phone, that it for me. Yeah I know " Why don't have a mobile phone" because I don't like small screens since they are hard on the eyes and the extra features on a mobile phone to me is no worth it. Like I wouldn't mind a cell phone if it only worked as a phone to call other people but nowadays mobile phones are pretty much mini computers and I'm not interested in that sort of stuff.
"In Monster Hunter Stories, we included a mechanism to change the attributes and elements of Monsties through channeling, but we have omitted that this time" - The dev.
Changing the kinship attacks to match every element seems like a lot of extra work for a very small but admittedly nice change. I do however wish the color change system would work and that elemental shifts were a thing. That sort of system can add a lot of depth and can be fun to see it all come together. Monsters would keep their individuality with things like their base stats speed tiers and the like but if someone wants to go an extra mile to make an Ice rathalos it should be possible.
With the fact that there isn't supposed to be an element change at all in MHS2 as per that interview, potential bug fixes and patches will likely get rid of the elemental/aesthetic change entirely to reflect developer intent of removing the feature wholesale. So you can still load up on elemental moves, just don't expect to turn your Monstie into a different element type entirely.
Which would then face more outrage because it's something that would make the predecessor a better game. The fact that it seems to be bugged out or leftover code means that they could either implement or remove the feature. It would be in everyone's best interest to have it be the former.
This better be fixed by the time I get my Thorgigante, because I WILL be turning Nerg into a Thunder element God. I want this to be reflected on his appearance too >:l
I had one of those back in the first game, that was my best nargacuga and my green nargacuga was a fire one. like brothers that went in opposite gene directions.
This is a simple scaling factor issue. Instead of converting the main element and adding a small percentile amount, it just adds a flat buff. So naturally as you progress the element buff you gave the monstie will be outgrown. Instead of a flat buff like say +20 Ice you can use a multiplier to keep the value slightly buffed but in the element of your choice. Example all elements become ice and get a 1.1x boost. In this way you keep your element of choice and still get a buff. It should go without saying though that this would break the game rather quickly as everyone grabs the best monstie and makes a version for each element.
Hope it gets fixed so it'll stay the element we make said monstie, idc if it's not optimal. I just want to see the cool effects and colors. Haven't tried the pvp yet, don't think I will unless someone shows reasons to do it such as the rewards. I'm not the biggest fan of PvP outside of the FromSoft games, but still would PvP occasionally when the mood strikes me
Hope this isn't spammy, but I really want this quote from a developer interview to get noticed and I don't think it's been put in anything except replies to comments. "In Monster Hunter Stories, we included a mechanism to change the attributes and elements of Monsties through channeling, but we have omitted that this time. We decided it is more efficient to develop strengths (for example the original attributes), and even among users who played Stories, not many people knew how the mechanism worked. Instead, for Stories 2 we greatly increased the number of skills that can be passed down, which I think increases the fun of creating original monsters." - Kenji Oguro, Director So with this all evidence points to them having intended to remove element changing from the game, and we can assume something went wrong where the mechanic remained but in a mostly broken form.
@@seb24789 Here you go then, it's the part where he is asked if any features from the first game were cut: www.siliconera.com/interview-all-about-monster-hunter-stories-2s-beginnings/
This change from the first game is the biggest disappointment I've ever had with a Monster Hunter game. The concept of changing my monsters' elements as I see fit was one of my favorite parts of the first game and I was massively hyped to return to it in this game. Losing that feature honestly dents my interest in even finishing the game in the first place, as good as the rest of it is. It's like they made massive leaps forward with *every* other system from Stories 1, and then gouged out the coolest part...
element changing is baked into the engine and like original stories was intended to be a full feature. however the devs decided to not focus on it this time around because not many people used, or even knew about it in og stories. so in stories 2 its unfinished and not fully implemented. hopefully they rectify this with a patch or dlc because its an awesome system and it seems to be gaining some attention.
Yeah since you can essentially make new subspecies, rare species, etc. so removing one of the more interesting features or having it so its pointless to do so is saddening to me.
I honestly think all of these problems making elemental monsties are just bugs that have not been patched out yet. Hopefully around the time Palamutes is released, this is fixed.
Funny bit, I have a Water Azure Rathalos (I wanted to cover all 6 elements with my all dragons team and A.Rath, DQ Rath, and Kushala drew the short straws) and even though its dominant element has long returned to fire, it still shot water in a beam struggle with a Red Khezu just now. It didn't hit the elemental weakness so it appears to just be visual, but it's neat that it still has *something* aesthetic for all its water genes.
My theory is that entering a breath fight depends on the existence of a gene allowing "elemental ranged attack". Then it depends on that specific attack, so if your monstie's ranged attack is a blob of water instead of the usual fireball, it will be a water beam when the breath struggle happens. I encountered the same thing with my attempt at a fire Zamtrios (before I knew this didn't work past level 20-30) and that's the reasoning I came to. The thing I'm interested in now, is what happens if you put, say, both a "water beaming" gene and a "fire beaming" gene on a monstie? Will it pick the highest damaging one for its beam fight? Will it pick one randomly?
They could change elemental stat growths in level up to go off of its primary element that it has now instead of what it’s base element is supposed to be, like maybe make their elements grow by the blocks, but have those blocks change to reflect what their primary element, like that aptonoth gaining a higher growth rate in ice after having it changed to their primary element, instead of normal
I would personally like it if CapCom added a way to change the colors of a monstie. An Idea that I had was that there could be these "coloration genes" that you can apply to a monster to change their color while keeping its stats the same. It's a shame that they're patching color changing out of the game entirely since it's a bug. That sucks since I really wanted to have a Rathalos with dragon gene colors.
This game does not want to give any good Nargacuga eggs. Every single Nargacuga Egg I find is a regular one. But oh boy does the game like to give me super rare Royal Ludroth and Blue Yian Kut Ku eggs. Especially the damn Ludroth eggs. I got a million of those.
I almost want to say that the coding on the genes is messed up: that the Element Up genes are meant to increase the growth rate stats. So while it wouldn't have an immediate factor: it would eventually level up to gain that new feature as the genes take over. Which would make a decent level grind for end game part of the play where once it is useful you then switch it out for better genes such as attacks and or the like. That being said, you would think this could also be passed down via all element genes to have that passive effect. Because that was arguably half the fun in stories 1 like Josh and Cotton's ice deviljho.
Funny story - the first Molten Tigrex egg I ever got had Dragon Boost L and Dragon Boost XL genes on it, when it hatched, so it was born as Dragon element. I changed those genes, though, so now it's non-elemental as normal.
As much as I've been enjoying the game so far I'm super disappointing to hear this. The first game got it right the first time, so why Capcom thought they should "fix"this is beyond me. Again I love the game but this is just as bad as them putting new monsters in the game but not giving them monstie counterparts (ex. Tetsucabra, Duramboros, Larinoth, etc.)
PLESIOTH. I was so hyped to get a cool Piscine Wyvern Monstie plus it had water element so that was awesome and BAM can't get it as monstie. same with Duramboros, sad.
Most of this game was ported over. While this is one of my favorite games ever. A lot of this was super super lazy, and they took out the element changing because its more fun to have the original monster.. There was probably 0 effort in making this game..
I believe they will update and fix this if enough people keep asking for it. The MH team are good at listening to their fans feedback, like how in ice borne they added a guard point to the gunlance slinger animation after fan request
I'm pretty sure in Stories 1 you could see every element stat on your Monstie. What's it weak against and how much the element did- like a 7 for dragon, -2 Ice(random stats) if that makes sense
Damn. So I can't make my Thunder Quropecko and Ice Nercylla from the first game. It was the excuse to use low level/early game monsties and now.... I'll still try, hopefully the team sees that people were expecting it as a feature and they put it fully back.
You can actually check their element affinity during channeling. When you go to add a different element to the monstie it will show the elemental changes on the right. You just have to make sure the one number is larger than the others for these changes to occur.
@@pringleeinhorn148 Leftover from MHS1. "In Monster Hunter Stories, we included a mechanism to change the attributes and elements of Monsties through channeling, but we have omitted that this time" So they removed it, but they forgot a bit.
I REALLY hope they did not remove this feature..the reason why I love mhs was because element change affect the monster and their kinship attack particle/visual effect..
They said on stream that they took it out. Yes yet it has been removed at least if you level your monsters anyway. Tbh it makes little sense to have monsters be specific elements if you can make everything anything anyway.
I went from super excited to incredibly upset. Changing a monstie type was so fun in the first game and I just assumed it wasn't in the sequel. Then I find out it is, but apparently it's a bug and they're taking it away? Please don't do this to me capcom, please just fix it to make it work, don't take such a fun feature away from us.
I hatched a dragon Aptonoth very early in the game, didn't show as dragon in the battle and reverted to normal after leveling up. Simply to say, I'm beyond disappointed considering Kayna's Velcidrome can stay water no matter how many times he levels up. Since then I've been trying to get my Pukei-Pukei to ice and my Paolumu to dragon ( because I thought it'd look neat ), so far no such luck here either despite I think putting in Ice+ Gene or Dragon+ Gene. I might have to double check.
It'd be better if they just had an item to change it's primary type to whatever element, then damage would just scale off that element regardless of it it's main element is higher or not.
To change change the system they will need to either make it a variant of the first game and make it so you can see the actual values of it and make it so that you change the blocks are (for that one monstie you are trying to change, not all of them) or they need to change it so it's literally flat values for everything and each element gene has a value that you can increase the flat amount. They could also do the first thing by making it so depending on the % increase in an element, that's how much a monstie will gain with 10% being one block, I feel like that would be the best way and easiest for the team to implement
11:56 I disagree, it doesn't make your choice more meaningful, all it does is remove choice, if you want a team with all elements at least. You already have to worry about attack types (power speed tech) and non combat skills (since to properly explore you need at least fly, jump, swim, and ivy climb, and you could even add rock breaker into the "necessary field skills") so now if you want a team that is efficient both in combat and out of combat, well safe to say you're not gonna be able to have many of your fav monsters... Heck I already struggled to do so even without considering elements, and I'm missing rock breaker. So yeah, you have a choice, Either run with ur favs and not be able to do shit, or pick an effective team that you don't like, great, meaningful choices don't you think ?
They'll need to change how monsties level to increasing the element by the current highest element not the original. The rite of channeling should be absolute, this has to be a programming mistake.
I got really confused on the lvl 10, 10, 30 graph because Fire is on there twice. I was like "it's not higher at 30 and then oh wait there it is again."
What..the..f&)$ CAPCOM?! What the hell are we going to do with our favorite monsties when they’re either, for example, a thunder Seregios, or fire element Nergi when it doesn’t matter anymore?! OH GOD ITS RUINED😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
Needs patching. Also for god sake they show us all stats not just highest. It's very relevant to know how strong my ice type monster is vs thunder, not just vs fire or ice...
I hope the update that “fixes” this adds a rideable Tetsu, Duramburos, Seltas and Seltas Queen, and Plesioth. I’m gonna cry if I’m still missing something.
I think this may have been intentional but scrapped in development. It would explain why some monsters have seemingly irrelevant element bonuses on hatching. But as it stands its a broken half idea. Would be great if properly implemented though and would make many monsters more fun to use.
If it’s the case that your monstie will eventually change back to they’re default type after a period of time levelling them up, it doesn’t seem worth the effort to change they’re type in the first place. I hope it’s an over sight that’ll get fixed with a patch.
the only thing that needed changing from the originals gene system was being able to channel from anyslot to anyslot; i really dont understand why they went through with these other poorly thought out changes (this is a symptom of genes not giving bonuses with the introduction of level scaling elemental stats... but they also removed level up movepolls; replacing them with genes so every monster can have every ability; which lowers the niche potential... AND allowed bingo stacking; which opens up a bunch of optimisation problems that i fully expect to see represented in competetive)... like the original was far from perfect (i.lagi was the strongest monster in the game with very little competition), but they took the wrong route to fixing problems and ended up making more
I'm sad that this is broken in this game. It was one of the biggest features within monstie "training" that was in Stories 1, and I really hope they fix this. Perhaps they could make it so if they have a "____ attack up" gene, then that type of attack will be scaled faster as it levels up as well. Or maybe they could fix it to have the same system as the first game.
Well there is a slight percentage increase for other element damage based on color. Like 3 purple in a row gives dragon attack. That would help scale those base values back up.
The devs have literally said in a bug report that the element change isn't a feature in the game. They're not meant to change elements at all as of right now. Whether or not they'll change that is a matter for debate and possibly with enough community feedback they may patch it in... Then again, community feedback isn't exactly making Rise any better so...
At this point, it would probably just be better to add a feature letting us change a monstie's color for fun as long as it has a gene of the element you want the color of.
The general issue is that Monstie genes are all flat modifications rather than % (or perhaps even growth modifiers), and is an issue with the overall system even outside of the "element change" mechanic. It effectively means that any skills provide less and less of a difference as your actual level increases. That +20 HP is a massive difference at low levels, but when base HP is getting into the 300s, an extra 20 is pretty insignificant. I was extremely displeased seeing a self-heal each turn gene on my Mizitsune, only to see it healing a paltry 10 per turn which is nearly pointless. Back to the topic at hand though, as said in the video, the growth rates eventually outstrip any element bonuses and make the Monstie revert back eventually. The entire system would work if the element+ genes also had "And causes increased growth in the element". That's literally all it would take. Done. But for some reason the devs simply decided not to.
The Astalos kinship skill lost some of the electric bubbles when it was dragon powered. It loses part of the attack animation when its element is changed.
I changed my molten tigrex into a water monster, now it's a non element, but it did what I wanted and got me through the elders lair when I didn't have a water monster on hand.
This is so sad :(! I wanted a Dragon Kushala Daora because there's no other technical monstie that I want in my party but I already have Velkhana and he's ice too ;--;
They need to fix this My god the rite of changing was awesome in the 1st game and all monsters can change colour and element And the gene could be any type of gene to change the element as long as it was the element you wanted And they kept that type via level up How did they screw this up... Im very disappointed
Didn't they say the color change was a bug and they are gonna patch it? Disregard this if it's brought up later because this was posted halfway through
Arekkz's video on this topic mentions an article where the producer (I think) mentions removing this feature because people were confused by it in the first game.
Well the Element change issue is sad since one of the main things I wanted to during high rank is messing with genes and making unique monsties like a Arzuros or Kecha Wacha which used roars and paolumu's air blasts or a Lightning Zamtrios, But since this issue is a thing I probably won't do that then, which is sad.
Personally the fact that the colors don't stay changed puts this game below the original, that feature was one of the coolest parts of the game. Even if everything is better than stories 1 the loss of color changing alone makes it a worse game. Still a good game though but not as good as it could and should be
Wasn't that mostly because the game didn't make it obvious that it was even an option? Of course the average player won't use it if they don't know it exists without stumbling upon it. If so then those play stats don't mean anything about how appreciated the feature would actually be. Forgive me if I'm wrong here but I just don't remember the game ever telling you specifically that you could change the colors.
@@Wren2772 actually their was a whole cutscene showing a monstie changing color and turining into a fire element in the old game [I forgot the monster name but its the big snow rabbit]
@@fishkingoftheaquarium7605 Fair enough, but did it explain how to do it? Was it easy to find that info again later? It looks like even IN the interview everyones linking to for the reasoning of this, the devs said "not many people knew how the mechanism worked" rather than not many people wanted to use it. I just don't see that as a valid reason to scrap it rather than make it more prominent/accessible, because clearly enough people find cosmetics and customization very important, if they didn't then capcom wouldn't be getting so increasingly scummy with the cosmetic DLCs and character edit vouchers.
I'm LOVING Stories 2 so far, but I really prefer how genes worked in the first game. If we could have the first game's gene system, mainly the permanence of your monster's new element, but with the "put them anywhere you want" feature from Stories 2, I think it would be perfect.
Also, it's a shame how elements no longer have as much of an effect on monsters and their kinship attacks. I really hope it's just broken and not intentional, because changing monster elements and seeing it reflecting in their kinship attacks (not just the end explosion) was one of my favorite features from the first game.
Mhs1 had fewer monsters and was easier to animate. You'd have to manually create several kinship attacks per element for every monster unless they literally just change the colour of the effects to reflect the colour you're using. That would be amazing, but that would require separate assets and probably would take another month or two worth of development.
it honestly just feels broken when you compare it to MHST1, and it probably is. they probably were expecting everything to be working right on release but something mightve happened. the pandemic, even though its getting to an end is still here and this could be one of the many things it affected, just a wild guess tho
@@Aykalia It's not broken, quote from developer: "In Monster Hunter Stories, we included a mechanism to change the attributes and elements of Monsties through channeling, but we have omitted that this time" So they removed it, the broken part is that there is still left over that should be gone, not the other way around.
Minus the fact that in first game you couldn't put genes wherever you wanted. That sucked lol
You're goddamned right
When you said "this is broken" in the title, I expected it to be overpowered and incredibly useful.
Now I see it was the exact opposite. :(
As it should be
The same words, having to opposing meanings. How poetic.
Now give me my SUNSET MANGO COLORED MIZU YOU DA-
@@Tamanegi-P yeah it's shit. I mean the shit..wait...
@@busharmann the game should be broken? Doesn't make much sense.
@@readmylipsmum1079 I think he meant it should be broken as in incredibly useful
Here’s to hoping they come out with a patch to fix all the bugs in the elements soon! Still going to enjoy the game to the fullest, even if a few things are broken.
This system has to be fixed!
I wnat to make fire pukei and water anjanath
That and hopefully they fix all the monsters with the wrong roars and sounds to their correct ones, my Nerscylla shouldn't sound like a chicken
I need a fire legiana, plz capcom
Who's gonna tell them? :^(
@@FakeHeroFang I saw already and I am extremely pissed that they are treating the remnants of a great game mechanic as a bug and plan to completely remove it in a future update
It'd be much easier to just have the "Gene dominant" color take over the monster visually. This way they wouldn't need to change every Kinship animation out there to match, I just want my Thunder Naruga back- Looks wise, at least.
At the very least let us earn "Monstie Layers" for the colors
Really sucks that the elememt system got destroyed. It was what kept me coming back to stories 1 just putting different elements on monsties and seeing how they look.
Yeah If the element system was like stories 1 or similar I would be experimenting as much as a mad scientist but with the system as it is now really sucks and is a bummer that it's this way and the fact that the devs wanted to get rid of it since the rite and element swapping is one of the major reasons I wanted Stories 2 besides the story.
in the first game I chose monsties by how they looked after the element change of the one I needed
Pretty disappointed with how theyve butchered the element change system in this game. It used to be hard to get certain really strong element monsties at certain points in the last game which was why having the element change was so useful.
Having an ice Yian Garuga, a dragon Seregios or Molten Tiggy, having a water Green Nargacuga, HELL even the preorder bonus monsties I got such as my water Rathian or Fire Zinogre that helped carry me through points of the game and provided so much more flexibility. Getting to change an element meant I could have more focus on making sure I could vary my team more/have my favorites/make sure I had more attack type variation while still keeping every element type on my team.
It sucks as honestly changing elements was one of my favorite parts and I made such good and interesting monsties.
They tried to change the system but messed it up. I kinda miss how simple the element resistances and strengths were in the first game and them being unchanging with level and how I could see every one. I'm still trying to work out the use and ability of all my monsties and my own gear due to the lack of transparency of resistances themself vs the first game
They really did kill one of the key components of the first game in terms of customization and mystery. In seeing another person's team and not knowing what elements they would have until the monstie came out.
@King Ghidorah75 The fix would be to remove it all together.
"In Monster Hunter Stories, we included a mechanism to change the attributes and elements of Monsties through channeling, but we have omitted that this time"
do the colors of an Anjanath change? if so, what changes?
I love them changing elements, it makes there so much more to do for me, having a team of the same monster that all deal different elemental damage, and all look unique from each other
I'm assuming Capcom patches some of these later on, it can't be a choice that it's like this.
Especially since it worked perfectly in stories 1
I think its because they used the first game data quite a bit in this sequel. (same animations, etc). So it effects the "OG" monsties appearance normally but not the new monsties. They must have cut corners and left in a lot of data from the first game without bothering to remove some of it such as the colour change. Maybe its to touch up on it later, or maybe they decided halfway through, hey this is a ton of work, our deadline cant allow us to make any more. This is probably why one of the NPCs have a fire element coloured Velocidrome, without any fire element genes.
@@devilalastor3320 Except now it sounds like a design choice to have the monsters have their true element be their static value increases
@@swaggercat9000 If it were a choice then why add the colour changes at all? That would mean they put time and work into something unnecessarily.
@@asheronwindspear552 I think the theory here is that they didn't add the color changes, but rather some of the programming that caused them still exists in the game from portions they used from the first Stories. Perhaps it was an oversight when they were intending to fully remove the element changing system, or perhaps it simply became too difficult to remove it or it was decided it would take too much time or cause worse bugs to happen.
The first game wasn't clear on how this change worked, but after a little research, the system was actually brilliantly simple. You got to see all elements, all genes that increased elemental attack would influence your monstie, and it would stick permanently onto the monstie because there was no elemental growth through leveling. I admit, I did already intend to not mess with elements too much, unless a monster already had a specific inclination to a secondary element, or maybe do my meme builds for an Ivory Lagi with Rath genes and a Ratha with Lagiacrus genes... But still, this is so opposite of what the first game promised. If I can't have a dragon Anjanath or a fire Deviljho or a water Gammoth, then these monsties aren't fully customizable.
Yeah I would have made a lightning Zamtrios, a Arzuros or Kacha Wacha that uses roars for attacks and stuff like that.
I'm so happy that many people are enjoying Stories 2 so far, despite all the criticism it had before it's full release.
Honestly, it's my game of the year so far. I'm enjoying it so much
there were criticisms?
@@Ochobi_8bit the only big criticisms I heard were accusations about it taking attention away from Rise, not much in the way of attacks on the game itself.
Never heard criticism lol
This game is soooo good tho, and the story is building off the first game more than I expected!
Love it
@@generic........ Personally, I have several criticisms:
- Bland and barren overworld environments.
- Den designs are extremely repetitive. Combined with my first critique, it exacerbates the monotony of exploring dens.
- Lack of battle music variety and no music during overworld exploration.
- Double attacks have no drawbacks and are far too easy to pull off. This trivializes most engagements.
- Forced AI companions that make encounters unnecessarily more difficult and often frustrating because of poor AI programming.
- The ability to change monstie elements which adds a layer of complexity to the rite of channeling system.
I am genuinely so sad that this feature was only partially implemented. I absolutely loved changing the element of my monsters in the first game and seeing how cool their kinship skills looked and how cool their color changes looked... I had things like a dragon Azure Rathalos, a water Seregios, and an electric Shrouded Nerscylla and it was my favorite thing that kept me coming back time and time again to keep getting monsties and changing their typings to see what they looked like. Heck, it was one of the only reasons I kept going back to the game, even well after they stopped adding content to it (like after they didn't localize the extra story stuff and not adding the extra elder dragons + Rajang)
Interesting that they want to promote variety with making your monster builds, but then break the part that actually reflects your customization
I agree and hope that this is a bug that will be patched
Yeah now the variety is my zinogre looks the exact same as another persons zinogre and I cant mix element genes to throw out crazy random combos that might be better like my dragon quropeco against a dragon weak element monstie. Only thing they really did was add rainbow gene and it feels like a big downgrade to me.
Yeah, I honestly think that this system is kinda unfinished or was quickly thrown together, so hopefully they can fix this in the future by letting you see all of your monstie’s elemental status and increase certain elements higher then normal
@@Element-rb6ez I believe I saw the developers mention somewhere that development on this game started not long after the first launched
So it could just be the remains of the old system that they put in really early, but broke when stat growth was reworked
Would explain why it only shows on a select few monsters, a majority being from the first game
@King Ghidorah75 Yeah I'm glad Stories 2, World and soon Rise are on PC since mods can help to fix broken features like the element swapping and add stuff like making non monstie monsters monsties is nice. All I need now is a PC or something like the steam deck or a full on PC but for me that years from now.
@@malachilewis96 unfortunately, as of now there still hasn’t been any mods to bring back the color change system
Finally, I was waiting for information about that because I did it a bit at random in the first game... And didn't find that much things about it in any vids. And so about all of the issues, this could be broken and fixed later with updates
I'm really glad that you guys and other youtubers were able to bring info like this and the unobtainable monsties to the masses before we sunk hours upon hours into working on things that as it is now just aren't obtainable. I, and I'm sure lots of other people, really appreciate your hard work. Hopefully Capcom will take notice of this and roll out a patch to fix the elemental weirdness at some point in the future.
Loving the game, but this is really a huge problem. I’ve spent most of my time playing trying to get my Tigrex to look like my one from the original stories, but clearly there’s not even a point anymore. It’s going to be a huge disappointment if it doesn’t get fixed soon, it was by far the feature I was looking forward to most with this game
Seems like that interview where they explained that the feature was omitted and why needed to get seen by more people than it did.
Question, is it possible to max level a monstie first and then change their element as a workaround? I'm assuming this wasn't their intention, but I was wondering if that could work in the meantime
@@714KH I don't think so, since their inherent element scales higher and higher at higher levels, meaning it will always be a bigger number than the other elements no matter what boosts you give the other elements.
@@Ryodraco oh, so you're basically saying that no number of genes would outmatch it's max number in its native elemnt, so it wouldn't even change elements at max level?
@@714KH Yep, apparently the highest level at which changing elements can work is level 15 (or maybe it's level 15 that it stops working, Arekkz Gaming just made a video on it if you want more details).
Thank you soooo much. I thought I was just being a blind moron for not being able to find the elemental values per monstie, now I just know that capcom was a wee bit of a jerk on this part
there was an interview, I think by siliconera, where the developers said they removed the feature to change a monstie's element.
so, if I had to guess, what's happening here are leftovers from a mechanic that was removed late into development, but they didn't fully get rid of it.
Looked it up for you:
"In Monster Hunter Stories, we included a mechanism to change the attributes and elements of Monsties through channeling, but we have omitted that this time. We decided it is more efficient to develop strengths (for example the original attributes), and even among users who played Stories, not many people knew how the mechanism worked. Instead, for Stories 2 we greatly increased the number of skills that can be passed down, which I think increases the fun of creating original monsters." - Kenji Oguro, Director
@@Missiletainn so does this mean it was intended to be this way? and they don't have any plans to change it?
@@awildbidoof6155 It means it wasnt intended to be in the game at all, and all this is probably a left over from the stories 1 game engine/code.
Its more likely to be patched out rather than fixed.
@@Missiletainn This makes me sad, but thank you for clarifying. I wanted to make a mini Seregious with fire element and call him Slim Bazel. but if the element thing doesn't work then that's a shame.
@@Missiletainn "increases the fun of creating original monsters" Oh yeah, cause nothing says "more original" than a simple skill, definitely not something like an entirely new element and physical/cosmetic change to the monsters appearance.
"So what can your pet do?"
"It knows how to sit."
"WOW, that's SO original. Mine just has fur of fire and knows how to breathe flames, totally lame."
Personally this is absolutely gutting, I never got to use the system properly in Stories 1 because I didn't have a DS and wasn't going to pay £20 for the mobile version so I was really excited to change colours of monsters on Stories 2 but now seems like it'll never be possible. I hope they retcon their decision to omit it and update it back into the game.
I'm curious, why do you not want to pay $20 for the mobile version? I know mobile gaming gets a bad rap but the mobile port is quite good, and its a full length handheld console game for $20. Tbh I'd much rather pay a bit upfront than getting bombarded by ads by freemium games.
@@dai8217 It might depend on the user's phone? I didn't regret buying it but sometimes I thought my phone would explode.
@@GeanAmiraku I can't get stories 1 on mobile since I don't have a mobile phone, that it for me. Yeah I know " Why don't have a mobile phone" because I don't like small screens since they are hard on the eyes and the extra features on a mobile phone to me is no worth it. Like I wouldn't mind a cell phone if it only worked as a phone to call other people but nowadays mobile phones are pretty much mini computers and I'm not interested in that sort of stuff.
In the first game, I had an electric Blue Yian-Kut-Ku. Best thing ever. Yellow and blue looked great on it.
I want it back.
Lets just hope they add something to atleast only change the colors :c
they could fix problem 6 by making the "X element" gene's also affect that elements growth rate in addition to its flat bonus it gives
based on how dragon astalos's attack looks there is no way it can be intentional and most likely something will be done about it on the next update
"In Monster Hunter Stories, we included a mechanism to change the attributes and elements of Monsties through channeling, but we have omitted that this time" - The dev.
@@thealarm7057 p
Changing the kinship attacks to match every element seems like a lot of extra work for a very small but admittedly nice change. I do however wish the color change system would work and that elemental shifts were a thing. That sort of system can add a lot of depth and can be fun to see it all come together. Monsters would keep their individuality with things like their base stats speed tiers and the like but if someone wants to go an extra mile to make an Ice rathalos it should be possible.
With the fact that there isn't supposed to be an element change at all in MHS2 as per that interview, potential bug fixes and patches will likely get rid of the elemental/aesthetic change entirely to reflect developer intent of removing the feature wholesale. So you can still load up on elemental moves, just don't expect to turn your Monstie into a different element type entirely.
Which would then face more outrage because it's something that would make the predecessor a better game. The fact that it seems to be bugged out or leftover code means that they could either implement or remove the feature. It would be in everyone's best interest to have it be the former.
@@BlaizeTheDragon Well what if they do remove element change just maybe somehow implement a color change thing for your monstie?
Imagine getting an elder dragon and changing its element just to have it factory reset after a mission.
I would really hate to be that guy.
This better be fixed by the time I get my Thorgigante, because I WILL be turning Nerg into a Thunder element God. I want this to be reflected on his appearance too >:l
@@Nynja123TRT ol dede kind of had a point were literally just fucking around with a monster's genes for our own bidding
@@siei3i37 well he should have told me dad in the first game! xD but yeah, fair point. But I just wanted cool looking monsties I swear!
I hope they patch this so I can make a water Nargacuga someday. Love how in-depth the video is.
I had one of those back in the first game, that was my best nargacuga and my green nargacuga was a fire one. like brothers that went in opposite gene directions.
@@hunterkun2918 Yeah I would like to do that with stories 2 and maybe have more customization with the colors with cosmetic genes or mutations.
@@malachilewis96 Sadly they decided to take it out and in an update, will remove the color differences in a whole.
@@hunterkun2918 That sucks.
@@hunterkun2918 They WHAT? Is that confirmed?
If capcom hears the community, they may fix it. 👃👃👃
This seems like a massive bug that Capcom couldn't get rid of before launch, but maybe it will be fixed in the coming weeks through a patch
My favorite Monstie from stories1 was a gene changed Paralysis Tigrex. It looked amazing and was so stupid fun to fight beside
This is a simple scaling factor issue. Instead of converting the main element and adding a small percentile amount, it just adds a flat buff. So naturally as you progress the element buff you gave the monstie will be outgrown. Instead of a flat buff like say +20 Ice you can use a multiplier to keep the value slightly buffed but in the element of your choice. Example all elements become ice and get a 1.1x boost. In this way you keep your element of choice and still get a buff.
It should go without saying though that this would break the game rather quickly as everyone grabs the best monstie and makes a version for each element.
Hope it gets fixed so it'll stay the element we make said monstie, idc if it's not optimal. I just want to see the cool effects and colors. Haven't tried the pvp yet, don't think I will unless someone shows reasons to do it such as the rewards. I'm not the biggest fan of PvP outside of the FromSoft games, but still would PvP occasionally when the mood strikes me
Hope this isn't spammy, but I really want this quote from a developer interview to get noticed and I don't think it's been put in anything except replies to comments.
"In Monster Hunter Stories, we included a mechanism to change the attributes and elements of Monsties through channeling, but we have omitted that this time. We decided it is more efficient to develop strengths (for example the original attributes), and even among users who played Stories, not many people knew how the mechanism worked. Instead, for Stories 2 we greatly increased the number of skills that can be passed down, which I think increases the fun of creating original monsters." - Kenji Oguro, Director
So with this all evidence points to them having intended to remove element changing from the game, and we can assume something went wrong where the mechanic remained but in a mostly broken form.
I've seen that quote a few times, but never any actual source on it.
@@seb24789 Here you go then, it's the part where he is asked if any features from the first game were cut: www.siliconera.com/interview-all-about-monster-hunter-stories-2s-beginnings/
This change from the first game is the biggest disappointment I've ever had with a Monster Hunter game. The concept of changing my monsters' elements as I see fit was one of my favorite parts of the first game and I was massively hyped to return to it in this game. Losing that feature honestly dents my interest in even finishing the game in the first place, as good as the rest of it is. It's like they made massive leaps forward with *every* other system from Stories 1, and then gouged out the coolest part...
element changing is baked into the engine and like original stories was intended to be a full feature. however the devs decided to not focus on it this time around because not many people used, or even knew about it in og stories. so in stories 2 its unfinished and not fully implemented. hopefully they rectify this with a patch or dlc because its an awesome system and it seems to be gaining some attention.
It's sad they are removing this completely, I'd love if they at least reimplemented it in the future
Yeah since you can essentially make new subspecies, rare species, etc. so removing one of the more interesting features or having it so its pointless to do so is saddening to me.
In Stories 1, I made a team that was five Zinogres, one for each element. It makes me really sad that I can't do that in Stories 2.
I honestly think all of these problems making elemental monsties are just bugs that have not been patched out yet. Hopefully around the time Palamutes is released, this is fixed.
Apparently they intended to remove this feature and because of reused code we have the broken transformations now.
Funny bit, I have a Water Azure Rathalos (I wanted to cover all 6 elements with my all dragons team and A.Rath, DQ Rath, and Kushala drew the short straws) and even though its dominant element has long returned to fire, it still shot water in a beam struggle with a Red Khezu just now. It didn't hit the elemental weakness so it appears to just be visual, but it's neat that it still has *something* aesthetic for all its water genes.
My theory is that entering a breath fight depends on the existence of a gene allowing "elemental ranged attack". Then it depends on that specific attack, so if your monstie's ranged attack is a blob of water instead of the usual fireball, it will be a water beam when the breath struggle happens. I encountered the same thing with my attempt at a fire Zamtrios (before I knew this didn't work past level 20-30) and that's the reasoning I came to.
The thing I'm interested in now, is what happens if you put, say, both a "water beaming" gene and a "fire beaming" gene on a monstie? Will it pick the highest damaging one for its beam fight? Will it pick one randomly?
They could change elemental stat growths in level up to go off of its primary element that it has now instead of what it’s base element is supposed to be, like maybe make their elements grow by the blocks, but have those blocks change to reflect what their primary element, like that aptonoth gaining a higher growth rate in ice after having it changed to their primary element, instead of normal
I’m a bit disappointed because I enjoyed it In the first game, I liked seeing the changes a lot so I wish you could still do so
How could they mess this up, nothing needed to be improved from the first game
Let's not go that far, there were a number of things that needed improving and did get improved.
@@Ryodraco and in turn we lost the coolest feature from the original game
That's why they tried to remove it.
@@captainswagger2838
Me: Did you do it?
Capcom: Yes.
Me: What did it cost?
Capcom: Element change.
We have to be loud about this to get it fixed, voice it on Twitter too
I would personally like it if CapCom added a way to change the colors of a monstie. An Idea that I had was that there could be these "coloration genes" that you can apply to a monster to change their color while keeping its stats the same.
It's a shame that they're patching color changing out of the game entirely since it's a bug. That sucks since I really wanted to have a Rathalos with dragon gene colors.
This game does not want to give any good Nargacuga eggs. Every single Nargacuga Egg I find is a regular one. But oh boy does the game like to give me super rare Royal Ludroth and Blue Yian Kut Ku eggs. Especially the damn Ludroth eggs. I got a million of those.
For me it was Basarios
I almost want to say that the coding on the genes is messed up: that the Element Up genes are meant to increase the growth rate stats. So while it wouldn't have an immediate factor: it would eventually level up to gain that new feature as the genes take over. Which would make a decent level grind for end game part of the play where once it is useful you then switch it out for better genes such as attacks and or the like.
That being said, you would think this could also be passed down via all element genes to have that passive effect. Because that was arguably half the fun in stories 1 like Josh and Cotton's ice deviljho.
Funny story - the first Molten Tigrex egg I ever got had Dragon Boost L and Dragon Boost XL genes on it, when it hatched, so it was born as Dragon element. I changed those genes, though, so now it's non-elemental as normal.
so in short the change of elements is fucked up in this game, lets report it to capcom so they fix it
As much as I've been enjoying the game so far I'm super disappointing to hear this. The first game got it right the first time, so why Capcom thought they should "fix"this is beyond me. Again I love the game but this is just as bad as them putting new monsters in the game but not giving them monstie counterparts (ex. Tetsucabra, Duramboros, Larinoth, etc.)
PLESIOTH. I was so hyped to get a cool Piscine Wyvern Monstie plus it had water element so that was awesome and BAM can't get it as monstie. same with Duramboros, sad.
We appreciate all the hard work that went into this.
Most of this game was ported over. While this is one of my favorite games ever. A lot of this was super super lazy, and they took out the element changing because its more fun to have the original monster.. There was probably 0 effort in making this game..
@@Wystoroyah He is talking about the video.
I believe they will update and fix this if enough people keep asking for it. The MH team are good at listening to their fans feedback, like how in ice borne they added a guard point to the gunlance slinger animation after fan request
So i bought the game, soooo did they fix it?
@@nemodemigodofstuff6373 Alas no 😭
I’m hoping there’s a patch or something for this because it was my favorite part about Stories 1
I'm pretty sure in Stories 1 you could see every element stat on your Monstie. What's it weak against and how much the element did- like a 7 for dragon, -2 Ice(random stats) if that makes sense
Damn. So I can't make my Thunder Quropecko and Ice Nercylla from the first game. It was the excuse to use low level/early game monsties and now.... I'll still try, hopefully the team sees that people were expecting it as a feature and they put it fully back.
You can actually check their element affinity during channeling. When you go to add a different element to the monstie it will show the elemental changes on the right. You just have to make sure the one number is larger than the others for these changes to occur.
A bit dissaponted on this 😢 hope it's bug xD
Why would they bother giving every monster several pallet swaps if it has no purpose? seems very odd to me.
@@pringleeinhorn148 Leftover from MHS1.
"In Monster Hunter Stories, we included a mechanism to change the attributes and elements of Monsties through channeling, but we have omitted that this time"
So they removed it, but they forgot a bit.
I REALLY hope they did not remove this feature..the reason why I love mhs was because element change affect the monster and their kinship attack particle/visual effect..
They said on stream that they took it out. Yes yet it has been removed at least if you level your monsters anyway. Tbh it makes little sense to have monsters be specific elements if you can make everything anything anyway.
I went from super excited to incredibly upset. Changing a monstie type was so fun in the first game and I just assumed it wasn't in the sequel. Then I find out it is, but apparently it's a bug and they're taking it away? Please don't do this to me capcom, please just fix it to make it work, don't take such a fun feature away from us.
I hatched a dragon Aptonoth very early in the game, didn't show as dragon in the battle and reverted to normal after leveling up. Simply to say, I'm beyond disappointed considering Kayna's Velcidrome can stay water no matter how many times he levels up. Since then I've been trying to get my Pukei-Pukei to ice and my Paolumu to dragon ( because I thought it'd look neat ), so far no such luck here either despite I think putting in Ice+ Gene or Dragon+ Gene. I might have to double check.
It'd be better if they just had an item to change it's primary type to whatever element, then damage would just scale off that element regardless of it it's main element is higher or not.
Im really enjoying the game but im pissed that the color changing isnot like the first game they absolutely need to fix this in a future update
I was about to make my fire Lagombi again like in MHS1, but I guess I will say "Nevermind!" now xD
To change change the system they will need to either make it a variant of the first game and make it so you can see the actual values of it and make it so that you change the blocks are (for that one monstie you are trying to change, not all of them) or they need to change it so it's literally flat values for everything and each element gene has a value that you can increase the flat amount. They could also do the first thing by making it so depending on the % increase in an element, that's how much a monstie will gain with 10% being one block, I feel like that would be the best way and easiest for the team to implement
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I disagree, it doesn't make your choice more meaningful, all it does is remove choice, if you want a team with all elements at least. You already have to worry about attack types (power speed tech) and non combat skills (since to properly explore you need at least fly, jump, swim, and ivy climb, and you could even add rock breaker into the "necessary field skills") so now if you want a team that is efficient both in combat and out of combat, well safe to say you're not gonna be able to have many of your fav monsters...
Heck I already struggled to do so even without considering elements, and I'm missing rock breaker. So yeah, you have a choice, Either run with ur favs and not be able to do shit, or pick an effective team that you don't like, great, meaningful choices don't you think ?
agree
They'll need to change how monsties level to increasing the element by the current highest element not the original. The rite of channeling should be absolute, this has to be a programming mistake.
Someone forgot to type % at the element boost genes
I got really confused on the lvl 10, 10, 30 graph because Fire is on there twice. I was like "it's not higher at 30 and then oh wait there it is again."
I feel like this is just a small bug that they're gonna patch in an update.
From other comments it seems to be intentional from an interview they did
@@agentace1476 wonder if this would apply to things like blast or poison since they aren't elemental attacks.
@@Atzuma99 that would be awesome if it didn’t though Imagine a bomber aptonoth
@@Atzuma99 those are statuses not elements so no they wouldn't change anything even if the system was working/intended
What..the..f&)$ CAPCOM?! What the hell are we going to do with our favorite monsties when they’re either, for example, a thunder Seregios, or fire element Nergi when it doesn’t matter anymore?! OH GOD ITS RUINED😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
I hope they fix this cause I miss my fire tigrex and ice brute tigrex and water rathian.
Needs patching. Also for god sake they show us all stats not just highest.
It's very relevant to know how strong my ice type monster is vs thunder, not just vs fire or ice...
MY BOY ASTALOS WHY I WANTED A DIFFERENT COLOR
I'm disappointed that I cannot have my dragon elem Brute Tigrex like I had in stories.
Honestly, I'm surprised they somehow forgot to take this out. Because it clearly isn't meant to be here. Thanks for the video
I hope the update that “fixes” this adds a rideable Tetsu, Duramburos, Seltas and Seltas Queen, and Plesioth. I’m gonna cry if I’m still missing something.
Hmmm, I can only guess that the team working on the game will have to update.the game with the needed fixes
From other comments I seen they said it’s intentional and from an interview
@@agentace1476 it wasn't intentional. There are supposed to be no changes when a monstie changes element, not the broken ones or any at all.
I think this may have been intentional but scrapped in development. It would explain why some monsters have seemingly irrelevant element bonuses on hatching. But as it stands its a broken half idea. Would be great if properly implemented though and would make many monsters more fun to use.
If it’s the case that your monstie will eventually change back to they’re default type after a period of time levelling them up, it doesn’t seem worth the effort to change they’re type in the first place. I hope it’s an over sight that’ll get fixed with a patch.
Did they fix the color thingy already?
just started playing the demo 2 days ago and planning to buy the full game,,,
the only thing that needed changing from the originals gene system was being able to channel from anyslot to anyslot; i really dont understand why they went through with these other poorly thought out changes (this is a symptom of genes not giving bonuses with the introduction of level scaling elemental stats... but they also removed level up movepolls; replacing them with genes so every monster can have every ability; which lowers the niche potential... AND allowed bingo stacking; which opens up a bunch of optimisation problems that i fully expect to see represented in competetive)... like the original was far from perfect (i.lagi was the strongest monster in the game with very little competition), but they took the wrong route to fixing problems and ended up making more
I'm sad that this is broken in this game. It was one of the biggest features within monstie "training" that was in Stories 1, and I really hope they fix this. Perhaps they could make it so if they have a "____ attack up" gene, then that type of attack will be scaled faster as it levels up as well. Or maybe they could fix it to have the same system as the first game.
Well there is a slight percentage increase for other element damage based on color. Like 3 purple in a row gives dragon attack. That would help scale those base values back up.
The devs have literally said in a bug report that the element change isn't a feature in the game. They're not meant to change elements at all as of right now. Whether or not they'll change that is a matter for debate and possibly with enough community feedback they may patch it in... Then again, community feedback isn't exactly making Rise any better so...
At this point, it would probably just be better to add a feature letting us change a monstie's color for fun as long as it has a gene of the element you want the color of.
The general issue is that Monstie genes are all flat modifications rather than % (or perhaps even growth modifiers), and is an issue with the overall system even outside of the "element change" mechanic. It effectively means that any skills provide less and less of a difference as your actual level increases. That +20 HP is a massive difference at low levels, but when base HP is getting into the 300s, an extra 20 is pretty insignificant. I was extremely displeased seeing a self-heal each turn gene on my Mizitsune, only to see it healing a paltry 10 per turn which is nearly pointless.
Back to the topic at hand though, as said in the video, the growth rates eventually outstrip any element bonuses and make the Monstie revert back eventually. The entire system would work if the element+ genes also had "And causes increased growth in the element". That's literally all it would take. Done. But for some reason the devs simply decided not to.
Your right it’s broken
And Gone Broken and gone
The Astalos kinship skill lost some of the electric bubbles when it was dragon powered. It loses part of the attack animation when its element is changed.
I changed my molten tigrex into a water monster, now it's a non element, but it did what I wanted and got me through the elders lair when I didn't have a water monster on hand.
I’m very mad that they are going to remove the visual and elemental powers in the next patch
Thunder Mizu looks beautiful!
if it doesn't get fixed or the monstie primary element is as intended maybe we could get a update for layered elements
This is so sad :(! I wanted a Dragon Kushala Daora because there's no other technical monstie that I want in my party but I already have Velkhana and he's ice too ;--;
You know what we need an update to fix this so we can make a rainbow color team
They need to fix this
My god the rite of changing was awesome in the 1st game and all monsters can change colour and element
And the gene could be any type of gene to change the element as long as it was the element you wanted
And they kept that type via level up
How did they screw this up...
Im very disappointed
Didn't they say the color change was a bug and they are gonna patch it? Disregard this if it's brought up later because this was posted halfway through
I feel that it's massively bugged
this won't deter my brother from making a team of elemental tigrex.
Weather or not they intended this they should be forced to fix it and add cors to monsters that don't change for some reason.
Arekkz's video on this topic mentions an article where the producer (I think) mentions removing this feature because people were confused by it in the first game.
I sincerely believe, that this "feature" was just dropped during development ina WiP state.
Well the Element change issue is sad since one of the main things I wanted to during high rank is messing with genes and making unique monsties like a Arzuros or Kecha Wacha which used roars and paolumu's air blasts or a Lightning Zamtrios, But since this issue is a thing I probably won't do that then, which is sad.
Personally the fact that the colors don't stay changed puts this game below the original, that feature was one of the coolest parts of the game. Even if everything is better than stories 1 the loss of color changing alone makes it a worse game. Still a good game though but not as good as it could and should be
I don't see how removing one thing that most players evidently didn't use (which is one reason they said they removed it) could make it a worse game.
Wasn't that mostly because the game didn't make it obvious that it was even an option? Of course the average player won't use it if they don't know it exists without stumbling upon it. If so then those play stats don't mean anything about how appreciated the feature would actually be.
Forgive me if I'm wrong here but I just don't remember the game ever telling you specifically that you could change the colors.
@@Wren2772 actually their was a whole cutscene showing a monstie changing color and turining into a fire element in the old game [I forgot the monster name but its the big snow rabbit]
@@fishkingoftheaquarium7605 Fair enough, but did it explain how to do it? Was it easy to find that info again later? It looks like even IN the interview everyones linking to for the reasoning of this, the devs said "not many people knew how the mechanism worked" rather than not many people wanted to use it. I just don't see that as a valid reason to scrap it rather than make it more prominent/accessible, because clearly enough people find cosmetics and customization very important, if they didn't then capcom wouldn't be getting so increasingly scummy with the cosmetic DLCs and character edit vouchers.