Knew you would not be able to resist another fiddle with it after the comments, glad you ended up with the best combo, so far . Be worth getting a youth to try it out 😀
Enjoying the content and well done for getting it back on the road. Noticed you were riding without gloves though. Dress for the slide, not for the ride! They can’t protect you on a shelf at home. Love the content and don’t want you to get injured.
Bought a new exhaust for mine (TGB Bullet 50), bought the Tecnigas Next-R, and now it does about 35mph with no other modifications. Didn't even remove the choke in the carburetor or re-jet it yet. I have a bunch of 21mm carbs laying about in a box, so I thought I might as well swap the carb as well as putting a pod-filter on there. Will probably get some more power in the top-end, at least I hope so. Anyway, great videos Martin, very easy to follow for someone who's never worked on a scooter before, only geared mopeds. Definitely subscribed!
The weather has been bad in the midlands these past weeks hasn’t it Martin. We had thunder storms and rain .yesterday it absolutely bucketed it down in leicester ,the mrs got caught out in it whilst I was looking at it through the window lol 😏😆 another good educational video . Thank you mate. 👊🏻
Martin had one that wouldn’t Rev took exhaust off for test ride revved it brains out ,exhaust blocked with carbon cut exhaust in half pulled the guts out no more problems and sounded great for the lass that owned it 👍👨🏻🏭
Hi Martin I’ve done a few of these Chinese scooters and I’ve found as you have no mater what you do with the rollers / clutch / belt it makes very little difference to the top end speed …the Chinese imports scooters are normally restricted via the revs via the cdi unit they work like restrictors that hgv trucks have once it hits a set speed the limiter will kick in and reduce the speed the cdi would need replacing for one without the limiter fitted or you can discount the the limiter wire ( wiring diagram needed ) this would then allow the scooter to Rev higher hence more top end ..Peugeot scooters have thus system just recently had one doing 34 mph did the cdi and if now hits 42 mph even with me on 15.5 stone ..keep up the videos they are Bob on
I wondered about that speedo and chuckled when you banged it with your fist 😆 regarding the wart on your elbow Martin put some tea tree oil on it as I had one on my finger tried freezing it cutting it off with a Stanley blade had no joy, put Australian tea tree oil on it everyday and it was gone in a week or so.
Try mixing the weights mart 3.5 & the heavier ones, obviously in order like 3-7-3-7-3-7 for example I found it to be the best for top end increase to 50 mph, good video keep on going mate your get there
Hehe I was close to 19st then I had the triple bypass... now 13st going down from a 36 inch waist to a 30 too, still got me strong arms and shoulders but can now wear M trousers which I ain't done since I was a teenager O.o
0 to 60 in a decade?? 🤣🤣 thinking of getting a scooter myself to tinker with, might even go in for my bike test too while im at it. 😁 Great vid martin! 👌
Hi Martin, I’m sorry but it made me laugh when you were down to 25 mph😂 slower than my Puch 😂 I can’t get 30 mph, I think they are trying to keep us slow, just take it on the chin and enjoy the views😂. Interesting though how much difference it made. Good video 🙂👍
You have 3,5 and 7 grams, try alternately and you have approx 5 gram (GY6 engine). I am around 5,5 grams and pulls ok and speed to 70 km (60cc) with 2 shims on the variator axle cus the belt not reache all powerband without it (pulling). Sry my bad English Martin, but loved it ;p
Im having doubts that speedo is wrong , have you tried using your phone on gps to get a better reading of speed. Seems like that's as fast it's gonna go, which is prob good enough . Good vid. 👍
Taking me back to being 16 again . And now I want to buy another moped lol . I just want that excitement of gaining 2mph and cracking the 60mph barrier 😅
Hey mate, I own one of these scooters and I’ve managed to get about 45mph out of it. When I first got it the rear brake caliper was seized and the brakes rubbing was causing the speed to be restricted to about 36mph. I have the stock spring in and 8g stock rollers and the take off speed is better than a stock aerox and it still hits 41-42 mph consistently. The only modification that I’ve made to my bike is a derestricted cdi unit which I ordered off of pedparts. It’s located in the battery housing. I’m about to order a derestricted yasuni Z which should push the top speed to about 50-55mph. I weigh about 72kg so I am am a bit lighter than you hah
@@retrorestore Fair enough, in regards to one of your previous video on installing the new cylinder kit and the speed that you’re achieving I have to say that I really don’t believe that it was a 70cc cylinder as the bike stock makes almost 5bhp at certain RPMs and I’ve seen a lot of 70cc kits for this bike making close to 15bhp like the stage6 sports pro MKII
You may possibly get a different result with a different spring now that the clutch isn't slipping. I said the red spring may have been too strong but it most likely wouldn't be working to its full potential if your clutch was slipping when you had the red spring fitted. The only spring you've really tried with the new bell housing is the white spring. Just a thought, you never know 😁👌
Might be worth changing the coil to a orange performance one and performance cdi as tgb have rev limiters they kill the revs will ignition cut outs low at 7k or 8 a think i had one mate you won't get no more speed till change them and upjet the main in carb a couple sizes 7gram wieghts is fine lighter wieghts is just for acceleration should do about 45 mine did that was about 14 stone tho
I'd go for heavier rollers Martin. You'll easily get another 10 mph out of that and maybe more. I'd try an 8.5g, 10g and 12g if you feel like pushing the boat out.
I have to admire your determination Martin,,, great video as always,,, would you not take those high spots off the pads for a better contact? is it not just slipping?
When you upped the cylinder, did you up the exhaust? Zorsts are tuned to the capacity of the cylinder and wondering if the exhaust is restricting as 30cc up on the capacity you should be getting more than 5-6mph. Think a Vespa 90 is a 60-65mph and the Vespa PX80 again easy for 60 mph. The exhaust dictates quite a lot in the whole "fuel pump" the engine is, if it can't expel the extra burnies quick enough it restricts the inflow so you get less angry pixies exploding and less speed.
If people or u believe it's the actual body weight of 16 stone then surely u should get someone that weighing less than 16 stone to see if u can get more than the 36mph. Good luck and ejoy the videos 👍
Unfortunately most uk peds are restricted by gearing and obviously power. With a decent performance variator and clutch contra and pad springs, you’ll get 40-50mph with some patience
So… break it down… bigger variator for higher top speed, lighter weights to achieve a higher (power band) rpm, stiffer clutch pad springs to enable higher Rev engagement, contra will need experimenting with to cope with all these factors. Probably start on a soft contra
Too heavy variator weights, 7 or 7,5 grams is too much. Should be doing a lot better with about 5,5-6 grams, guessing you could hit the 40-mark quite easily with that. I have been fiddling with a great set of various chinese scooters in the past, but now I am only into Piaggio/Gilera =) Good luck, hope to see a follow-up video! Greetings from Sweden
New sports exhaust my 50 cc April’s sr done 30 soon as I put a sports exhaust on 45 with out new clutch spring and variator kit when I got them done it went off the clock at 50 mph that should do at least 60 with a 70 cc kit
Those SR's were quick scooters. Yours must have been left restricted of it only did 30mph. A lot of scooters are just restricted by a plate that unscrews on ten variator and removing the air recirculation bit on the exhaust. A decent pipe will definitely give more gains again.
The standard main jet size on the tgbparts. Co. UK website that sells genuine factory parts is a size 60 I heard in the video you said it had an 85 in there it seems a lot bigger than genuine factory size have a look for yourself just search tgb x50r main jet and the tgbparts UK website comes up in the list
37 mpg is good for 50cc moped ,even fitting decenct exhaust will maybe up it to 40 ,ok for a 16 yr old kid ,. although they all fatter than 16 stone anyways muchen on all the fast food cheese burgers and pizza
Here’s what I don’t get… why would changing the weights alter the top speed (rather than acceleration) when the pen trick you did before seemed to suggest you were already getting the full range of travel on both pulleys?
You could spend hours changing weights to get the perfect solution. You only really need a strong contra spring if you have much higher power, and belt slip. On to the next one Martin. 👍
It should def do 45mph at least...when I was 16 I had a 50cc piaggio nrg derestricted with sports exhaust it would do 60-63mph easy...surely that thing should do 45mph
@@retrorestore Good as you dont want to get to carry away with it, As its not worth it. And you have got some better projects to do, And looking forward to see how they turn out.
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Well done Martin I love your enthusiasm never giving up until you find the root cause of the problem
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Thank you very much!
Knew you would not be able to resist another fiddle with it after the comments, glad you ended up with the best combo, so far . Be worth getting a youth to try it out 😀
Enjoying the content and well done for getting it back on the road.
Noticed you were riding without gloves though. Dress for the slide, not for the ride! They can’t protect you on a shelf at home. Love the content and don’t want you to get injured.
Martin, nice one your determination an enthusiasm to solve the problem is fabulous great video 👍
Thanks 👍
Have to admire your perseverance Martin. 👍 It's been good content.
Nice work, really interesting ! Have a great weekend and enjoy the soccer game ! Thanks Martin ! 👍⚽️
Thanks 👍
Bought a new exhaust for mine (TGB Bullet 50), bought the Tecnigas Next-R, and now it does about 35mph with no other modifications. Didn't even remove the choke in the carburetor or re-jet it yet. I have a bunch of 21mm carbs laying about in a box, so I thought I might as well swap the carb as well as putting a pod-filter on there. Will probably get some more power in the top-end, at least I hope so. Anyway, great videos Martin, very easy to follow for someone who's never worked on a scooter before, only geared mopeds. Definitely subscribed!
Thanks bud, glad you enjoy the vids.
The weather has been bad in the midlands these past weeks hasn’t it Martin. We had thunder storms and rain .yesterday it absolutely bucketed it down in leicester ,the mrs got caught out in it whilst I was looking at it through the window lol 😏😆 another good educational video . Thank you mate. 👊🏻
really liked watching you working on this been a bit of a puzzle
Cheers Nev, its a learning curve for me and I thought i'd take everybody along lol
Great work Martin thanks for that also I got the stickers bud thanks again you guys are now on my wall of fame haha
No problem 👍
Great to see your got a bit more speed out of it. It will make someone a great bike.
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Great series of videos thank you 👍
Glad you enjoyed it
Martin had one that wouldn’t Rev took exhaust off for test ride revved it brains out ,exhaust blocked with carbon cut exhaust in half pulled the guts out no more problems and sounded great for the lass that owned it 👍👨🏻🏭
Thank you very much from 🇺🇸is seems harder & harder to find truth, so glad I found you & your channel, God bless & have a great day/night Peace 🤠🙏🙏🙏
Thank you so much.
I knew Martin you would keep going ,thanks for keep going it's interesting and speed is an addiction 😁👍
Thanks 👍
Great Vid Martin 👍
Thanks 👍
Nice work Martin! 36/37 mph
On a 50cc scooter isn't bad at
All....some 50cc s dont go that
Fast...a Great Scooter for
Cruising around....👍
Thanks 👍
Brilliant Martin again. If in doubt give it a clout 🤣🤣👍🏻👍🏻
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Yes I watched it let's goo..👌🏼👍🏼
very helpful martin as usual
Great work and thanks for sharing this with us take care
Thumbs up Martin you should be able to do that blind folded now youve done it that many times now lol 👍👍👍👍
Hi Martin I’ve done a few of these Chinese scooters and I’ve found as you have no mater what you do with the rollers / clutch / belt it makes very little difference to the top end speed …the Chinese imports scooters are normally restricted via the revs via the cdi unit they work like restrictors that hgv trucks have once it hits a set speed the limiter will kick in and reduce the speed the cdi would need replacing for one without the limiter fitted or you can discount the the limiter wire ( wiring diagram needed ) this would then allow the scooter to Rev higher hence more top
end ..Peugeot scooters have thus system just recently had one doing 34 mph did the cdi and if now hits 42 mph even with me on 15.5 stone ..keep up the videos they are Bob on
I have fitted an unrestricted cdi Richard.
Looks like the new parts and adjustments worked. All that's left is to fix the exhaust and speedometer.
I wondered about that speedo and chuckled when you banged it with your fist 😆 regarding the wart on your elbow Martin put some tea tree oil on it as I had one on my finger tried freezing it cutting it off with a Stanley blade had no joy, put Australian tea tree oil on it everyday and it was gone in a week or so.
Nice one Adie.
Nice work and it sounds smooth.
Am liking theys moped videos, coz av got a moped project
thumbs up martin
Yeah think it's running as good as it's going to run you've done a great job you can sell it now Martin 👍
another great video.......
Thanks again!
great video martin keep up the good work :)
Thanks 👍
Try mixing the weights mart 3.5 & the heavier ones, obviously in order like 3-7-3-7-3-7 for example I found it to be the best for top end increase to 50 mph, good video keep on going mate your get there
I can see you are pretty determined to try and solve this :-) four seasons weather in an hour
You could have a restriction in your exhaust. It’s definitely worth changing to a quality pipe.
Already removed the restrictor in the exhaust
Hehe I was close to 19st then I had the triple bypass... now 13st going down from a 36 inch waist to a 30 too, still got me strong arms and shoulders but can now wear M trousers which I ain't done since I was a teenager O.o
0 to 60 in a decade?? 🤣🤣 thinking of getting a scooter myself to tinker with, might even go in for my bike test too while im at it. 😁
Great vid martin! 👌
If u are going to get one make sure its something u can find parts for as some scooters are hard to find parts for
@Dazzy 84 Parts for Kymco are extremely hard to come by Been waiting months to try and find some bits for a stolen /recovered 50 cm 2t
Fast enough with all them dame pot holes about lol the bike looks well tidy 👍
You went past my house on witham road👍👍
You want heavier rollers Martin as lighter will give better pull away but heavy will give you more top end
With your speedo, I would fit another type of speedo, GPS instead. Maybe an app or something.
Hi Martin, I’m sorry but it made me laugh when you were down to 25 mph😂 slower than my Puch 😂 I can’t get 30 mph, I think they are trying to keep us slow, just take it on the chin and enjoy the views😂. Interesting though how much difference it made. Good video 🙂👍
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You have 3,5 and 7 grams, try alternately and you have approx 5 gram (GY6 engine). I am around 5,5 grams and pulls ok and speed to 70 km (60cc) with 2 shims on the variator axle cus the belt not reache all powerband without it (pulling). Sry my bad English Martin, but loved it ;p
Im having doubts that speedo is wrong , have you tried using your phone on gps to get a better reading of speed. Seems like that's as fast it's gonna go, which is prob good enough . Good vid. 👍
I really like this video how are you
Was just thinking "How accurate is that speedo really?" then it started blinking lol
You'd be better off with a phone in your pocket with a gps app.
Can't remember about the exhaust, is it stock and derestricted? Otherwise, I believe the exhaust could be the bottleneck
Taking me back to being 16 again . And now I want to buy another moped lol . I just want that excitement of gaining 2mph and cracking the 60mph barrier 😅
Good times lol
love it !!
The speed u are getting is about right for that engine and a person around about your size
Get your younger son to whizz down the road on it quick u might get them extra few mph out of it martin👌🏼👍🏼💪🏼
Hey mate, I own one of these scooters and I’ve managed to get about 45mph out of it. When I first got it the rear brake caliper was seized and the brakes rubbing was causing the speed to be restricted to about 36mph. I have the stock spring in and 8g stock rollers and the take off speed is better than a stock aerox and it still hits 41-42 mph consistently. The only modification that I’ve made to my bike is a derestricted cdi unit which I ordered off of pedparts. It’s located in the battery housing. I’m about to order a derestricted yasuni Z which should push the top speed to about 50-55mph. I weigh about 72kg so I am am a bit lighter than you hah
I did fit an unrestricted CDI on it. I do think heavier weights will get it to 40+ like you said but i'll leave that to the new owner.
@@retrorestore Fair enough, in regards to one of your previous video on installing the new cylinder kit and the speed that you’re achieving I have to say that I really don’t believe that it was a 70cc cylinder as the bike stock makes almost 5bhp at certain RPMs and I’ve seen a lot of 70cc kits for this bike making close to 15bhp like the stage6 sports pro MKII
You may possibly get a different result with a different spring now that the clutch isn't slipping. I said the red spring may have been too strong but it most likely wouldn't be working to its full potential if your clutch was slipping when you had the red spring fitted. The only spring you've really tried with the new bell housing is the white spring. Just a thought, you never know 😁👌
Might be worth changing the coil to a orange performance one and performance cdi as tgb have rev limiters they kill the revs will ignition cut outs low at 7k or 8 a think i had one mate you won't get no more speed till change them and upjet the main in carb a couple sizes 7gram wieghts is fine lighter wieghts is just for acceleration should do about 45 mine did that was about 14 stone tho
I'd go for heavier rollers Martin. You'll easily get another 10 mph out of that and maybe more. I'd try an 8.5g, 10g and 12g if you feel like pushing the boat out.
Nothing ventured nothing gained mate, another good vid, can’t you get a 8st pal to ride it and see??
Marty you really need to connect the the flux capacitor. #justsaying
I have to admire your determination Martin,,, great video as always,,, would you not take those high spots off the pads for a better contact? is it not just slipping?
I don't think its high spots, I think the bellhousing was ovaled.
Im no expert but it seems like a bit of a black art setting these scooters up. That said 37mph sounds good to me.
That looked like Woodhall Spa
When you upped the cylinder, did you up the exhaust? Zorsts are tuned to the capacity of the cylinder and wondering if the exhaust is restricting as 30cc up on the capacity you should be getting more than 5-6mph. Think a Vespa 90 is a 60-65mph and the Vespa PX80 again easy for 60 mph. The exhaust dictates quite a lot in the whole "fuel pump" the engine is, if it can't expel the extra burnies quick enough it restricts the inflow so you get less angry pixies exploding and less speed.
I removed the restrictor ring in the exhaust
Maybe doing a 80cc engine kit build on it will get u to around 55 to 60mph hehe
If people or u believe it's the actual body weight of 16 stone then surely u should get someone that weighing less than 16 stone to see if u can get more than the 36mph. Good luck and ejoy the videos 👍
Stagger the veriator weights three light three heavy low and top end then best of both
No Bert rocking the apple cart today.
Haha pete.
@@retrorestore Martin could you not get Jimmy to take a spin see if he gets more speed.
You need a slightly bigger variator. That will increase top end speed Same as putting a bigger front sprocket on a geared bike 👍
Great point!
Unfortunately most uk peds are restricted by gearing and obviously power. With a decent performance variator and clutch contra and pad springs, you’ll get 40-50mph with some patience
So… break it down… bigger variator for higher top speed, lighter weights to achieve a higher (power band) rpm, stiffer clutch pad springs to enable higher Rev engagement, contra will need experimenting with to cope with all these factors. Probably start on a soft contra
Too heavy variator weights, 7 or 7,5 grams is too much. Should be doing a lot better with about 5,5-6 grams, guessing you could hit the 40-mark quite easily with that. I have been fiddling with a great set of various chinese scooters in the past, but now I am only into Piaggio/Gilera =) Good luck, hope to see a follow-up video! Greetings from Sweden
I tried 5.5 gram weights and didn't improve in my previous videos
The rev needle not going into the red area it looks alot before good vid not very often u get beat lol
if you put the bandit engine in it that should speed it up lol not as crazy as some people who put a 7 litre v8 in a lawn mower and race it
Now there's an idea Dan lol
New sports exhaust my 50 cc April’s sr done 30 soon as I put a sports exhaust on 45 with out new clutch spring and variator kit when I got them done it went off the clock at 50 mph that should do at least 60 with a 70 cc kit
Page 52 in the book of things that didn’t happen 😂
Those SR's were quick scooters. Yours must have been left restricted of it only did 30mph. A lot of scooters are just restricted by a plate that unscrews on ten variator and removing the air recirculation bit on the exhaust. A decent pipe will definitely give more gains again.
The standard main jet size on the tgbparts. Co. UK website that sells genuine factory parts is a size 60 I heard in the video you said it had an 85 in there it seems a lot bigger than genuine factory size have a look for yourself just search tgb x50r main jet and the tgbparts UK website comes up in the list
The standard size is 53 for the restricted version. This was a restricted one.
I don’t think your weight is that bad.I couldn’t see a couple of stone less making much difference, maybe a couple of MPH extra.
Wants a decent exhaust putting on it
37 mpg is good for 50cc moped ,even fitting decenct exhaust will maybe up it to 40 ,ok for a 16 yr old kid ,. although they all fatter than 16 stone anyways muchen on all the fast food cheese burgers and pizza
Ok Mart onwards and upwards, time to get shut of the ' slowped ' and move on mate .. ! .. 😁
Here’s what I don’t get… why would changing the weights alter the top speed (rather than acceleration) when the pen trick you did before seemed to suggest you were already getting the full range of travel on both pulleys?
Strange isn't it.
Apple cider vinegar in wart then plaster leave for a couple of days repeat
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send jimmy out on it see wot happens . try a gps speedo app on your phone incase that speedo is miss reading
Where do you get the parts from for this scooter? I’m struggling to find some
Ebay bud.
Martin I still hear Australian accent when you speak ..
You could spend hours changing weights to get the perfect solution.
You only really need a strong contra spring if you have much higher power, and belt slip.
On to the next one Martin. 👍
try to find an over range variator if you can find one, theres a chap on here 49ccscoot he has some great vids about them
cdi has a restrictor on it
I fitted an unrestricted cdi
Why did you hit🤜🏼 the clocks🤣?
Belt will tighten with weight on bike.
It should def do 45mph at least...when I was 16 I had a 50cc piaggio nrg derestricted with sports exhaust it would do 60-63mph easy...surely that thing should do 45mph
Is there a restrictor plate in the exhaust?
I removed it.
@@retrorestore Cool,have you set the points gap and checked timing about 17 degrees before tdc?
@@retrorestore Cool, have you checked the timing about 17 degrees btdc?
its cdi ignition bud
I’d be well happy with 37 mph.
The Piaggio moped was so much better.
Or get your son to drive after you and check the real speed. 👍😎
A big hill will help 😛
This speedometer is not good, try to find a good one, and change it. The problem is solved 😎😉😁
Sounds like it's restricted
Martin go down a hill your get 40mph 🤣
Off a cliff get up to a ton 🤣🤣
This tgb should be a running joke...keep doing videos saying "final tgb video" ...please :D
Get Jimmy on it then ull really no lol
Turning into a money pit
Not any more.
@@retrorestore Good as you dont want to get to carry away with it, As its not worth it. And you have got some better projects to do, And looking forward to see how they turn out.
get under your new sun shade
Waste of time buying the bike bench lol
Haha, the other moped is on there.