The Twisted Case of Mary Yoder
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- Опубликовано: 5 апр 2021
- Mary Yoder was a successful chiropractor living in upstate New York. However when she suddenly fell very ill, an investigation began. But who could be behind it? With the finger being pointed in all directions, accusations of framing would be thrown around. But who was really responsible?
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The takeaway for me is; never do a police interview without your attorney present. Whether you're innocent or not.
Right?! So so accurate.
I think I paused the video thrice during the interrogations just to scream in frustration at this.
Absolutely!!
Also never take a polygraph/lie detector test even when innocent.
It's a known fact if you've been through trauma or suffer with panic and anxiety that it will give it a bad reading and then you are looked at like you're guilty.
NEVER talk to cops without a lawyer. DO NOT SPEAK
the fact that the concentration at death is higher than when she was admitted doesn't prove anything. Loads of chemicals get stored in various organs and as such are not in the bloodstream to be tested until much later.
Mary probably had the protein shake before lunch and most drugs are pretty ineffective in your stomach only visible until it reaches the liver, kidney and intestine several hours later!
@@rockyBalboa6699 also look up carb supplements, most have a delayed dosing effect to give the best muscle growth effect.
yes theres so much more going on there that simply cannot be accepted in a silly statement like that.
That's interesting. Makes sense.
Yes. It would have spiked again in the blood after a certain hours of ingestion.
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If she hadn’t sent that letter to the police they would have never found anyone culpable.... they had nothing. She basically pointed the finger at herself 🤷🏻♀️
Right!!! She literally framed herself lol.
@@disarray1611 What goes around, comes around
And why didn't those sisters give all that information from their letter during the trial? If there was something there it would of gone somewhere. It's a sexier story when a cheating spouse does it.
@@alucard6919 I thought the same thing. That coupled with the fact that a higher court denied her appeal.
What a dummy lol
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@@UVtec And are turdy years old
Itll mean you been murdered
@@sirtnfol8476 I was just thinking the same thing! I love Mike, and if I’m murdered someone please let
him know! However, I hope he NEVER has to tell the story of my death!
Do you have Life Insurance tho? If no, then that's not likely to happen
She of her own accord, confessed to sending the letter to police. Also, She changed her defense during the second trial, which is interesting .
Exactly! If she was not involved, why confess to the letter? If she is innocent, I would have said NO way I sent that letter. And would have been more believable that the husband could have done it since he has access to her computer. Having said that, a lot of people confess when they are innocent......🤷🏼♂️🤦
@@migz121 That is what makes me know she is guilty. If she hadn't admitted so readily to writing the letter, some of the conspiracy theories would make more sense.
@TDPMAYHEM this is not a movie, do you really believe what you said? the only one who try to frame other is her
@@migz121 But the letter led them to her, which she admitted to right away....I dunno, this is a weird one. This seems like a case with motive, and given that she broke up with Adam, and was being paid by Mary (her job), I don't see a proper motive.
@@razoo911 I mean, try to explain the dosing at hospital then.
If Adam was involved in his mother’s murder, I wouldn’t think he would be dumb enough to leave the drugs where they would be easily found by police nor would his father let that happen IF they were in on it together. Adam was clear across the country also. She had the credit cards and searches on her phone. She wrote the letter out of spite. I say the correct person was convicted.
Of course they would if the plot all along was to get rid of them both since he had that sexual assault charge hanging over his head. Well, this sure took care of that didn't it?
@@theclassysassymama7515 only her fingerprints were on the colchicine found in Adam’s car. Explain that away.
@@theclassysassymama7515 and about that "sexual assault", her pictures of her injuries seems to be taken from the internet.
That's a good point. Adam would be smart enough to get that far away from him, not under his seat
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She admitted to writing the letter, I feel like this is the most condemning fact in the case.
That and the phone stuff.
Seriously. What a effed up family of “sisters”, clearly thinking if the husband goes to jail maybe they can inherit some of the cash. She WROTE the letter!! Someone smart enough to plan this all out isn’t going to leave the damn evidence under the seat of their car MONTHS later, and she just happened to know it was there?? Wrote a letter that would send him to JAIL for murdering his own mother, and she’s INNOCENT?Riiiiight. People going to whatever website mike mentioned aren’t using their brains. She is guilty and has been denied an appeal people! Look at the evidence, not the emotions from some screwed up people.
Same.
I'm absolutely appalled by the American justice system. It's a mockery. Letting laymen decide over a defendants fate who have no special knowledge or experience is a travesty. Even though there was circumstantial evidence you can't force a decision from the jury when it's obvious that there is reasonable doubt.
Ya probably her search history is even bigger. You know I have to add after thinking, you are right. Because the search history could have somehow been someone else, but she said she wrote it..
I’m baffled as to why the husband and son were given immunity just for being witnesses during Caitlyn’s trial. I’ve never heard of such. Why would they even expect something in return for testifying at the trial of their wife’s/mother’s murder. Especially if they are innocent.
So, even if they come out and admit they did it…they can’t be tried.
Would not be surprised, at all, if they DID do it. Actually leaning more that way now.
My guess is bc the defense was going so hard, along with Caitlin and Mary's sisters, to blame one or both of them. The. Husband dating the sister, the son having "evidence" planted in his car. I think they spoke to their lawyers who said, "You need to be careful bc they are going to really try and pin this on you." That's my opinion. She did it.
She did it. Very easy case.
Kaitlyn admitted writing the letter early in the police interview. She claimed the son admitted his guilt to her at that point, which again is before the interview turned into an interrogation. With just a simple question, "did you write the letter" she said yes and gave a reason for writing it.
That letter she wrote was so damning, especially with her knowing where the evidence was. I mean, who keeps evidence of his murder in his car for months!? We've all see these criminals and how they rush to get rid of evidence!
His car was nasty af
@@cedrickluge8854 my car is dirty af but if I committed a crime I wouldn't leave the evidence in there.
It would be still be absolutely plausible that she planted the drug/poison for the sole purpose of trying to get back at Adam; even though he didn't do it OR she DIDN'T do it. And if you're trying to get someone blamed for something- and if a person knows what the cause of death was (as she did) - it's completely logical/plausible for said person to look up the substance that caused the death in order to figure out where to buy it.
I am so torn on this one because the husband literally immediately moved on to a romantic relationship with his long term wife's SISTER!!! That's not normal and is a stronger motive than the son hoping to get money from his mother's estate; given that most often, the estate lawfully goes to the spouse if said spouse is also the bio parent of all applicable children.
@@shannondavidson683 the timing if the searches and ordering is important. You are absolutely right that maybe she knew and researched but didn’t actually do it. In such a case she could very well have been planting the evidence after she realised the murder plans were actually real.
Facts that & the phone searches gave it away for me that it was her
Kind of alarming that if it weren’t for her family ordering a toxicology report, it may not have been done. Fuck’s sake.
They kind of wanted to put the girl away maybe?
@@vallorahn Hmm, maybe. But the phone searches alone are hard to dispute 🤷🏻♀️
I’m interested in why one was not performed the moment she was admitted to the ER. Lazy work.
It got done because of them being in the medical field, I doubt it would've happened if it was just us lay people. We'd had to pay for it ourselves or it probably wouldn't have gotten done.
@chris kibodeaux that's not necessarily true, if the coroner wants he/she can make the cause of death undetermined. They're a medical family and raised the issue, if it was a layperson that's probably what would've happened and they would have to pay for the toxicology report.
"...chiropractor, Mary Yoder would crack the back." Oh Mike, you're delightful 😂
There's no question or doubt in my mind that she did it. Justice was served!
Mike can brighten any day even telling some horrifying murder tales.
He's like the Bluebird of Murder Happiness 🐦
Oh yeah!
Cheers to that!🥂
Agree!
Saw this after I pretty much said this 🤷♀️ facts.
Best line: "Ninety percent of the time, it's 100 percent the spouse, am I right?" 🤣 I love your math, Mike.
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Yeah he actually makes complete sense in this.
Hysterical!
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So happy for us you help us understand. Mary Valletta!
Maybee u did not understand.....
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I've had to plant Autumn crocus which is where colchicine comes from, when I worked at a greenhouse while I was studying for my botany degree. Didn't like it, I wore gloves. It was used in the botanical field to induce polyploidy in plants. Polyploidy is useful for causing speciation.
I can legally grow the devil's lettuce in my state, and knowing what I know, I would never use colchicine. If I wanted to make different varieties of plants, I'd do it the old fashioned way, by cross-breeding.
Ooo autumn crocus? Like as in it blooms in autumn? How fun, I didn't know that existed! I'll have to look that up. Early spring blooming and autumn blooming plants are my favorites lately.🌱🍂
Hmm … then imagine adding a little colchicine to grow _artemisia ssp._ (I’m not a botanist, but I do know one thing about sagebrush :)
Funny thing is, colchicine IS the old fashioned way to grow weed. Or _an_ old fashioned way.
It was big in the 70s.
Weed is much much stronger now without it
If the father and son did it....how would they get her to frame herself with that letter...?
No level of smarts can get you to that favorable a scenario.
I never thought of that. Who the HECK would write a letter like that when she was willing to get back with him after the mother died? She would either care about him too much to send it or HATE him enough TO send it. It was the 2nd
The computer forensics we're very incriminating to Katelyn. She confessed to the letter and she tried to frame her ex.
Why are you assuming they planned that? That doesn’t even make sense.
@@markmike7933 Why is it unreasonable that she got back together with him after she found out the mother died but then later found out about what he did and wrote the letter? It’s perfectly reasonable that she could have got back together with him but did not love him enough to defend his actions or keep quiet about it.
@@OWOT-re5jf Can you explain what computer forensics you’re talking about? I am not trolling. I am genuinely curious. All the computer forensics said that she accessed the gmail account from work and her phone. But both Bill and Adam have access to her work computer and I know countless BF/GF’s that have access to each other’s phones. Was there a piece of evidence that was a smoking gun? Again, I am not trolling. Genuinely trying to understand this case and wondering where the “smoking gun” is. Thanks in advance for a reply.
I hate that she was crying saying her life was over when she was caught. like no.. MARY'S life is over. honestly disgusting.
Murder like that is the ultimate selfish act. Of course she's only sad about her own life, while still being able to live it.
Bingo
Yup!
idk this case has way to much doubt for me to say she did it the way the husbend acted after is weird i dont think she should have been convicted they had no real evidence sounds like the jury was tired and the ones that said no were forced into saying yes
@@tang6654 people have been convicted with far less evidence. She was definitely involved, she was caught lying, admitted to writing the letter, and they caught her red handed buying the drugs that where planted in his vehicle.
If anyone else was involved, she would of ratted them out first and spilled the whole plan for a better deal. Instead she kept trying to cover her ass and playing dumb, well untill she couldnt play dumb anymore.
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She willingly admitting to write the letter before knowing she was a suspect tell us everything we need to know
I honestly can't believe that Caitlin can't get a retrial solely based upon the fact that the trial would have ended in a mistrial and the judge force them to go back in and make a decision even though they clearly weren't able to previously. I don't understand how a judge is legally able to force a jury into making a decision that they have already told the judge they are not able to do. Sounds illegal as hell to me when they've said that they want a mistrial
Who ever installs a camra with more then 10 pixels in the interrogation room will become a millionaire.
the interrogation footage from the new jim cant swim video is pretty clear
@@lotjeeeeh the footage being from 2018 probably plays a part in that
@@frosty_teacup so a camera with more than 10 pixels has been installed thats my whole point
@@lotjeeeeh I meant in comparison to this case, which was from 2018. Although you'd think that upstate NY PD would have a higher budget for this kinda stuff than Parkland, FL PD 🤔
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I wasn't expecting to learn a new way to increase weed yields, yet here we are.
yeah but its poison! Whatever happened to good old fashioned manure?! lol
@@primesspct2 Depending on who's consuming it and how much, manure CAN be poison... just saying.
@@primesspct2 for real lol and there are some bad ass weed fertilizers out there for growing that are natural too
yes. the weed is highly enjoyable for a hip lad like myself as well. I like turdels
Colchesine increases polyploidy in plants making them more genetically vigorous and it can be used to increase the chance of female seeds and therefore less useless males to kill off, before they can fertilize the females, resulting in unwanted seeds in the final product (the buds).
Manslaughter?! That was cold blooded premeditated murder! No conscience for 2 days watching her suffer. That’s disgusting she barely got manslaughter.
Facts!
Buuut she got 23 years. That's a lot for manslaughter, no? Esp if innocent.1st: life, no parole. 2nd: up to 25+parole. Manslaughter: α𝐍ᲧƬɦ𝐢ᑎɠ. All I know is they all seemed like they were fake crying at the sentencing, but esp the 2 men. If Bill was that smart then he'd have to predict everyone involved's reactions for everything to fall into place. But I did think someone re-dosed her at the hospital. Why'd she get back with Adam after he assaulted her? I guess she felt bad for him? 😳idk.
Bro wtf. When youre that naive. Maybe dont even comment? Idk, just a suggestion
If it was true that the toxicity in her body was increasing throughout Mary's stay in the hospital, MAYBE there's a stronger case for the dad. However, she was the one who 'confessed' on someone else's confession. She said his boyfriend confessed that he did it. And THEN they're blaming the dad for doing the hacking and shit? She has a lot more 'inconsistencies'.
Or it's one of them things where so much in her system it increased through the day.
Excellent point! The sisters are crazy and angry. They have zero evidence
What a truly f**ked up situation.
Mary didn’t deserve any of this, bless her.
This case is really disturbing- Mary was an innocent in a Den of Thieves.
Totally agree with you 100%
I know right, its disgusting. I am so annoyed, these cases are always upsetting but what happened to this poor woman has really enraged me.
It boggles the mind that someone so close to her could do this, whats really upsetting is that it could have been any OR all of them... how messed up is that??
If I knew who it was and the punishment was left up to me then the bastard/s would be VERY VERY SORRY!!! That poor poor woman, omg I am so annoyed...
Yeah well imagine how bill feels...
@@tomasotreasaigh111 I have seen some other supposedly “good trusted friends” that the victim really trusted more than family end up dead. It’s like you don’t know if the “friend” wants to be close to you as a friend or to get close enough to kill you
Well, they were into herbs and nature, of course they had tree children.
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Nicely done. A tip of the hat to you.
Hahaha 😂
Always ask for an attorney, especially if you’re innocent!
I totally get the feeling that she thought she would get away with it. She was shocked 😳 but they figured her out easily… the ego of some people 😔
The g/f wrote the letter about where the poison could be found, only one way she could have known that... the right person is in jail...
Planted by her maybe?
@@danesworld it had to have been planted by her. She would know her boyfriend's contact info the best, and have access to his vehicle.
Yep and admitted to lying to police. The right person is in jail.
Exactly. If she hadn't admitted that she wrote the letter, then it would be more believable (not much though) she was framed. However, if Bill had been framing her, the fact that she wrote the letter to the police to frame Adam could not have been part of Bill's plan.
Yeah it's not like if Adam had "confessed" to her that he would mention the murder weapon is under his seat.
Why did she confess to sending the Anonymous letter? If she was actually framed she would’ve known nothing about it.
Exactly 👍
Doh!
The letter wasnt the framing the computer searches were.
all she had to do was NOT send the letter and just say he confessed to killing the mother. They would of searched and found the bottle but she is stupid and wanted to frame him so sent the letter which all it did was actually point fingers at her for her stupidity. Glad she was made out and the point when she vomited is when she knew she fed up!
@@laylabeee555 Ah, but what about the female voice who'd spoken to the colchicine seller to finalize buying the drugs and the DNA found on the drugs that matched Kaitlyn. More evidence than presented in the video had pointed to her.
I have learned a few things from watching these. Never let someone take out life insurance on you. Never talk to police without an attorney no matter what. And 3rd .... Never go anywhere dressed like I am going to bed. Because if I am ever missing they are going to pull crappy cctv footage of me at walmart or the gas station, ya know the last place i was seen, and there i will be with my hair a mess, no makeup and wearing pajamas at 3 pm
I find it appalling that companied would even let someone else take life insurance on another person. I tried to have my husband do it for me but the insurance refused to let him fill out the paperwork or make any changes toward it until it was signed off or cleared with me.
@@BabyKangaroo279 Yes it is disturbing to see how many people take out a policy on someone else and make themselves the beneficiary, they should make a law that it requires both parties signatures, proof of id and even be notarized ... elderly people are being taken advantage of all the time as well
i must admit- this is the first video from this channel where the ending left me unsatisfied. i dont know if its due to faulty police work, or lack of information on the case, but none of the possible motives seem very convincing. also, none of the suspects/family members (outside of Mary's sisters) seem to display the commensurate amount of grief or outrage. i dont know. as you said- something's missing
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"Vengeance, thy name is Kaitlyn." I blame Johnny Cochran for all these attorneys who try to be witty and fail so badly.
Yea, if they don’t quit,they need to split!😂😂😂
Hell hath no fury......
Jeeze, gimme a break 😂
Really?? "Hell hath no fury...."? If I was a juror, I would have rolled my eyes.
I was rolling my eyes so hard when that came up
@@flygurlual1 Not bad
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Kaitlyn planning to frame Adam through the letter and, planting of the Colchicin in his car tells us of her mindset and how she may have been meticulous enough to plan the murder. Plus, administering the poison on Mary's drink would point more towards Kaitlyn than Bill and Adam.
What killer keeps the murder weapon of their own mother under the front seat of their own car for 6 months? And if the father and or son wanted to really frame her wouldn’t they hide the pills in her car?
Ya....her car. Wouldn't be difficult whatsoever
Exactly. She's 100% guilty.
Did you see the state of the inside of that car?! It looked like the county DUMP!
@Orie Cipollaro The theory is based on the idea that they wanted her to look like she not only did it but tried to frame them. Her whole letter, which led to the evidence in the first place, is based on her knowing all these details of the murder because someone else told her. Therefore, leaving evidence with the person she wants to frame makes sense. So basically BECAUSE they would not keep it for so long it would look more like someone placed it in their car.
@TDPMAYHEM This is the most ridiculous theory I've ever heard. I hope you never get jury duty.
22:34 Gotta admit I laughed when he said "why didn't she just post nasty comments on Facebook like normal people" 🤣
It's normal behavior now but definitely not normal
Hmmm...that 'zinger' struck me as VERY odd. This is, after all, the woman who supposedly cold-bloodedly poisoned your beloved "soulmate of 40 years", & he's playing to the gallery for cheap laffs?!? Weird & creepy as ferkuck, imho...
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People act and react to death in vary strange ways. Some people try to hide their pain by joking and completely blocking their emotions. Some people are just cold-blooded but that doesn't mean they are guilty of murder.
The way people behave is only relevant to questioning in regards to actual evidence, and even then their emotions don't really matter, it's what they say or leave out. Even the language they use may be relevant.
@@timotakkinen2695 Pardon me, Timo, but I never said that I thought that Bill's inappropriate joke made him guilty of murder (there's plenty of OTHER evidence for that, apparently!).
I'm well aware that people react in many different ways to stress, but I still think that Bill's joke was weird & creepy as ferkuck - at the very best, displaying an autistic-level lack of appreciation for propriety (which could be MORE likely, tbh, him being a 'big-brained succesful scientist' & all), & at the very worst, displaying a super-reptilian cold-bloodedness to his soul-mate's truly tragic demise. But not (possibly) loving Mary no more DOESN'T automatically make him her killer, neither (Hey Mike - PLEASE quit your Insurance Dance here, thank you! LoL). So, sorry to say, but my opinion remains unchanged there! ☺️
As far as who DID kill Mary, I agree with our dear Mike, that this case appears simply too hard to call EITHER way on ANY of the three main suspects. This was evidenced by TWO hung juries in Kaitlyn's case (though as we know, the second was forced to make a decision by the judge, thus making a complete mockery of the "trial by jury" system, imho, but that's a whole NUTHER can of worms, which I've opened in a separate post on this thread a few hours before composing this reply).
And as for Bill & Adam, the fact the State had to offer them IMMUNITY from prosecution in exchange for their testimonies, suggests to me that EQUALLY weak (yes, weak) cases could well have been built against THEM as well - otherwise WHY offer such a carrot in the first place? But y'know, thanks to THAT brilliant legal maneuver, after Kaitlyn's first trial was hung, the State COULDN'T try Bill & Adam, even if they'd wanted to.
Addendum: For what it's worth (which ain't much, as I wasn't at either trial), MY "gut feeling" is that either ALL THREE were involved in the murder to a greater or lesser degree, OR that yes, Kaitlyn was indeed framed by Bill &/or Adam. But as we all surely know by now, gut feelings ain't worth diddly-squat, ESPECIALLY from the likes of 'Armchair Detectives' like you or I (NO offence meant, but I honestly believe that unless a person was in that courtroom for the duration, it's - virtually - impossible to judge from one or two or however more RUclips videos & news items - even such elegantly-presented one's as 'That Chapter' - though I cannot deny it's fun to try!).
What I AM more (reasonably) certain of, is that in this case, like those pesky Japanese 1980s "Robots in Disguise", there's MORE here than meets the eye.
Peace be with you!👍☺️👍
@@MothraBlues You should be a trial lawyer 😂
Wow this family is absolutely torn apart by this tragedy. It's hard to believe what happened but I can see why the jury thought there was enough evidence to point to Katie but the fact that the family stood up for her makes me wonder.
I guess I'm jaded. But Bill and Adam's impact statements, both seemed fake as hell.
Two different juries couldn't bring a guilty verdict. How many times can you try a person? Until the prosecutor wins? I always thought you only needed one person to vote innocent and that's the end if it. Then the jury is just fed up with the process and wants to go home so the hold outs just say fine, hang her?
Actually i think marys fam supporting kaitlyn has more to do with them being really pissed bill hooked up with another sister. I read the whole post the sister wrote on that website promoting KC 's innocence and bill and adams guilt. Their reasons are weak at best and kinda dumb at worst. They also arent that reasonable. I think they arent seeing clearly because of grief and anger over bill and cathy getting together.
@@kristyhoward6897 its really not a good idea to judge guilt and innocence soley on things like that. No one can predict how they will respond to shock, grief, and truama. And it is just as normal to behave bizarrely, irrationally, nonsensical, illogical, and even to shut down completely as it is to respond in a more "socially acceptable " way. Humans are also notoriously bad at judging deception and consistently overestimate their ability to be able to.
Body language is a tool that cant be used alone. And you can't infer anything accurately without knowing a persons baseline. And even if you accurately determine what emotion à person feels, body language cant tell you why they feel that way. There are hundreds of reasons to feel anything. No matter how obvious you think the reason is for something.
Also, you should know that most of what is commonly believed about body language, like certain movements or expressions mean this or that, esp when it comes to signs of deception, have been debunked by psychology and the FBI's behavioral analysis unit. So, id be real careful about judging guilt and innocence by something like that. Their victim impact statements. Victim impact statements are when à victim or their loved one(s) get to tell the now the convicted person who changed their life, how that person effected them. How their crime effected them. I really wouldnt say things like "it seemed so fake to me and unbelievable " in a situation like this. Victim impact statements are highly personal, and usually are a result of a horrific truama that directly effected you. And you have to say how that truama hurt you, effected you, changed your life, how you feel about the person who was convicted by society in a court of law for being responsible for this terrible, permanent, life changing event in your life. And you have to read it, in open court, to the person who hurt you and/or your loved one, possibly with cameras and then people on youtube are gonna watch it for the rest of your life, judging and making comments about how believable your performance was and speculating if you had anything to do with the crime.
Id just keep that in mind. These are human beings. And they have human responses. And this is real life. You get to end this video and never think of this case again if you dont want to. But, that was his mother. And his wife. And their mothers/ wife's family was out there saying THEY are the ones responsible for your mother/wife being murdered and gone. This is real life. This is their life. They have to live with this the rest of their lives. We can all afford just a little more compassion.
Her family is stricken with grief and can’t imagine such a “sweet” girl being the culprit, but that doesn’t mean that it didn’t happen. Everything points to her.
She did it. no question. She is a crazy person. claiming rape as revenge didn't work so she does a murder was going to frame him but got back together he then broke up with her and she tried to frame him.
Imagine if we got into it AND gave it a gew🤯
That'd be too much to handle
Oooo! 😯
@@ThatChapter I concur😆
As long as we stopped kicking the tyres first.
@@laulau194 I think that makes it a treefur
Every time i hear a prosecutor open up with "hell hath no fury like a woman scorned" i just roll my eyes. Literally gets said every time a woman stands trial i swear to god
Ikr
I rolled my eyes the moment I heard that, too!
I think you can see the Judge’s eyes roll so far back he almost falls off his bench.
I haven't seen a defence or prosecution attorney on videos like this that didn't come across as a twat
You must have no life experience if you don't know that's true. The Greeks knew it long ago.
Mike: “ Yada, yada yada,” Jerry should feel so honored!
If I am Bill and Adam I would sue the sisters for defamation of character as somebody has already been convicted of these crimes and they have absolutely no proof to back up their wild speculation
Mike: He is an avid mystery murder buff
Me: Deletes internet history
Lol. I always delete my browser history when I close out of the browser. Old habit.
That’ll fix it
Don't worry bud, Google still has your data stored. Forever. 👀
@@jessicas253 Truth!
I'm sure it's perfectly legal and all for your safety that your every keystroke, password and any website you CONSIDERED looking at as well as every friend and associate who ever crossed ur digital path is all in a nice tidy little data mined package with your name stamped on top for the JIC.
Doncha sleep better knowing this!? China is upfront about it!! Building levels of society based on web activity. AWESOME!
The worst things one of my ex-girlfriends ever did after a break-up was put dead fish under my bed and red paint in my deodorant.
*Thanks for NOT killing my mom 'Angie'!!* 😂
This made me giggle, thanks Keith!😊
😮
Red paint lol that's brilliant 🤣🤣
With my ex-girlfriend, I thought there was a dead fish under my bed when we were together. Thanks Becky! ;) It felt wrong when I was writing it but...here we are.
Luckily, my "psycho" gf didn't choose me to go nuts on...
*She admitted to writing the letter. And the search history on her phone cannot be explained in any other way. She's guilty as sin*
I like when the cops ask "if they were working with anyone" or "maybe you only wanted to hurt her, not kill her?" to get them to slowly tease more and more admission out of them by parsing some blame off to it being someone else's fault or unintentional
that relatable moment when you murder your ex's mom so you can get back together and then frame your ex when you break up again
ah, young love
I can FEEL the sarcasm dripping from this... lol
lol we've all been there!
And i thought keying my exes car was bad 🤷♂️🙆♂️
@@bendover9663 I wish I had the courage to enact some type of revenge against my ex
Everybody's gotta go through it, at some point..
She lied about the details & knew where to specifically find that drug container. That in itself is suspicious enough. If Adam had done it, he would have disposed of it a long time ago. This is a pretty straightforward case tbh
I agree these points are hard to ignore and her search history.
Lol you can't assume he would of gotten rid of it. He should have but you're not new here, you know criminals tend to be sloppy
@@1091hurricane yea but once you lie , there's no reason to trust you cos what are you trying to hide
I'm not on anyone's side in this but if Adam and his father were in on it together it's doable. Adam knew her, so he'd know she'll rat him out if he confessed and that it would all look ridiculous and lead back to ex-girlfriend.
@@bluegreen5377 that would be plausible... if she hadn't lied about the details. She has no reason to lie if she is innocent
The way Kaitlyn acted during the police interrogation was maddening. Those cops had some patience because I couldn’t stand that wide eyed innocent act.
I thought her demeanor supported the theory that she was guilty. She struck me as very cold and calculating. My mother used to say "the quiet ones are the worst."
There's so much evidence proving Katelyn's guilt & it's sad that some people refuse to accept the truth & continue to point the finger at 2 innocent people who have been through enough hell.
Ummm so much evidence? You are kidding right? That's why Mary's family supports her? Lol
@@emmagrant3312 sisters were not even on speaking terms with Mary for over a year. It's in the trial transcript which is available online. Yes, evidence convicted Kaitlyn including her figuring dosages and fatal dose. DNA in the inside of the cap. So much evidence. Mary's true family doesn't support Kaitlyn.
@@emmagrant3312 IP addresses don't lie, there was plenty of evidence. The family made that statement BEFORE all the evidence was available, they changed their tune after the evidence came out.
@@commoguru what an ignorant thing to say. IP addresses can absolutely lie. Haven't you heard of hackers or do you just not know how the internet works? But the big question is who had the motive? What could she possibly gain by killing the mother when she would have been happy for her and Eric to be together? Everyone in the family reportedly liked her a lot. There is zero logical reason to kill and it's her paycheck ffs! Also they said she broke up with Eric and that he was alleged to have raped her. This logical Eric and Bill had more to gain by her death and the inconvenient patsy is out of the picture.
@@emmagrant3312 There are plenty of families that support heroin selling dope dealers, or murderers in gangs and everything else. Some people just cant see the bad in someone, or just doesnt care to becauseee its their family. So that doesnt really matter if you get what i mean lol
“She was improving in opposite world”
This poor woman but that made me laugh lol
Read this as he said it 😂
Hey Mike! Just want you to know we appreciate you too!
Thanks so much, Ben!
@@ThatChapter just made my day, cheers
I’m always looking forward - I catch myself checking daily sometimes . Even my 83 year old mum enjoys Mike and can flash a weird O hand sign .LOL 🌸
Mike. If you could look into a case that is still unsolved and do a video on it I would appreciate it. In 1993 in Florida a classmate a little younger then myself was murdered. Her name was Jennifer Odem and her killer has never been caught. Her parents are getting older. They deserve some closure. So could the community. You have a large following and it would be an intresting story to tell. Perhaps we could actually get a break in the case. Please help this family.
Not a single tear when she proclaims her innocence…I would’ve been bawling my eyes out.
How often did she buy pre paid cards? How long before the crime were the cards purchased? How much money was loaded onto the cards? Were they used to purchase other items or just the drug? I feel like these answers would prove her guilt or innocence.
I don't think it really matters after she admitted to purchasing them...
Not really
That Chapter doesn’t seem to be running out of pages any time soon😂😂 Mike is the “🐐” of story telling!!!
As long as there are murders he will be going strong haha
Sad to say! He will never run out of content😧
A Mr Ballen and TC collaboration..... I can dream:)
@@Wife_Mother_Failure only is Ballen pronounce 3 as “tree” during the video😂😂.
“Vengeance, thy name is Kaitlyn.” These attorneys stay giving us a performance of a lifetime.
Such a hard job, might as well add some spice
Very americanised though. As someone who works in UK trial courts, it's just bluster; flowery language purely for the cameras. Must make good money for the TV contractors though, they seem to thrive on drama.
Seriously, they're always so dramatic
That shit was hella Shakespearean
I hate this shit and it shouldn't be in court. It's emotionally manipulative and objectively meaningless regarding evidence of guilt.
Have to say I'm not a huge fan of crime and mystery stuff, but these are so easy to watch. Watching real-life dysfunctional folk has its own reassurances, but when it's presented as well and professionally and humourously as this, well I have to give it a goo!
Great video. I have watched this case by many youtubers, however, you brought out points I had never heard before!!! Excellent investigating job well done! Cheers
"Adam thought he was being-" *Mike draws a heart with his fingers* "-framed"
Framed with love 😛
I thought that was a weird shape for a frame while watching 💁🏽♀️ I laughed so hard at this comment 🤣
@@chaoselemental6759 +!!a+a!!
Where was it?
@@daddyland It's at 10:37
She would of gotten away with it, if it wasn’t for her meddling letter!
Exactly. Why write the letter? And if Adam or the Dad did it then how did she know it was buried under the seat of Adam's truck? She says he supposedly confessed to her, I guess she could say he told her where he was keeping it. But I find it hard to believe that part of that confession was telling her "And I hid the evidence under the seat of my dirty ass truck where it's been sitting for the last 5 months!"
Thank God for those morons.
@@evanmarschand9930 It wasn't enough that she murdered the guys mom. She wanted to put him away for the rest of his life as well. Pure evil.
*would have, not of
I know!!! But why though? She disrupted the whole family!
Mike, I love your style. Your facial expressions are priceless. You can make the most horrific stories entertaining. Thanks for all of your work.
I love your commentary and channel. Keep up the great work.
The way Caitlyn couldn't explain the credit cards and froze bc they surprised her with that information makes me believe she did it.
Yeah most people know exactly where their money is all the time especially a secretary or whatever she was
No, she was showing so much emotion and tears at 23:00, no way she guilty
I agree...her body language was screaming anxiety and guilt
@@GardenGuy1943 True, I honestly believe the son and father did it, she actually showed more emotion towards the death of her boss than the so called love of her life and the son together.
Well I’m not on either side I feel like there’s not enough evidence either way on either side, I’m still shocked they found her guilty, something is going on with that whole family, including something kaitlyn. But maybe she remembered having those prepaid cards and just couldn’t explain how those transactions were there because she truly didn’t know because she wasn’t the one who made them. Not sure if that’s what she did or why she did it but just looking at another side to it.
"She got better- in opposite world"
You speak like a doctor's handwriting Mike, never change ❤️
LMFAOO
I also enjoyed that comment of Mikes :)
👍😄
No smart person would take the chance of the police not looking further than it being in the truck.
She thought she was too smart for her own good. She wrote the letter, had it sent to the office, she obviously can’t send it to her house. The part you know she tried to set the son up… he was out of town and the med just so happens to be in his vehicle? The girl he’s not dating anymore knows it’s in his car? How often are you in someone’s car and know precisely where something is? She’s conniving and spiteful.
Those tears and silence in the interrogation room seals it for me. Like she's out of planned excuses and the constructed veil has fallen down around her.
especially when she said her life was over.. no innocent person thinks that. they believe they'll be ok because they're innocent .
Right.
For me I knew during the first exchange with the cop
"did you do this because you wanted us to know?"
"yea"
"or... did you want to see Adam get in trouble?"
"nooo... it's not to see Adam get in trouble"
How do you have such a short answer for a huge event like "yea" and then have a long answer for something that should be simple like "did you do it get your bf in trouble" I'm sure the cops picked up on her tone and body language as soon as they met her
@@itsmeais1736 or she knows that the cops arent gonna let her go until they run her down and get something from her. she even said that she didnt feel safe in there with her cuz she knows cops arent there to help. she could have been silent and composed and people would say that makes her guilty!
Or she’s realizing that she’s being accused of something she didn’t do and is in shock..
"Retirement was looking more and more, you know, bodacious you might say." No Mike, no one has ever said those words, ever...
😂😂😂
Perhaps no one in the U.S. said it but the Americans stopped speaking English a long time ago.
But we all love that he did.
You my friend, have obviously not seen Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure!
I was trying to fill out an online form so I could book some outside swimming (due to lockdown), and it asked me which English do I speak, is it, European English or American English? That's the first time in my life I've been asked that let alone in that way. Very surprised by it.
I just refilled my prescription for colchicine, my gout hasn’t cleared up after nearly 3 months. They are tiny little tablets, and now very expensive - $116 USD for 30 tablets! What a bizarre case.
Mike you are my hero bruh, you are doing what I wish I could do talk about true crimes and human behavior with the world, you are the best at it , keep it up !
Lesson learned: colchicine increases the growth and yield of weed. Thanks Mike.
Been taking colchicine for over ten years now and never knew this 😂
Sell ya boy a zip my dude
and turns what could be a good medicinal herb into a deadly poison
Soaking seeds in a colchicine solution can result in changing the chromosome arrangement, so you end up with twice as many chromosomes and extra expression of THC. A bit technical, but prob. not too hard for the dad with the PhD. Was popular back in the 70s - now people rely more on specially bred strains. No idea how I know this.😵💫
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I like that Mike cracks jokes in these but none of them are distasteful.
I agree. I hate buzzfeed and other channels that seem to just use the stories as a way to do a comedy routine and seem to have no respect for the subject. Mike makes jokes but none that undermine the seriousness of the cases.
Yes that’s a special talent.
He really is one of the most highly skilled presenters I've ever seen.
@Sean john What video was that?
The very first Mike video I watched he cracked a joke that threw me off and I almost stopped watching it... but by the end of the video I was hooked. Glad I stuck it out. He is brilliant.
Mike Man you're videos are dope! For someone with insomnia and serious mental health it helps keep my mind busy and kills sweet time! Keep it up homie!
I just noticed on this rewatch, I think that there isn't a million cuts makes this channel so much more pleasant to watch. The multiple cuts I've seen from others starts to aggravate me for some reason. Also, not using random, incorrect stock footage like a young woman in a short, modern dress with her hair down running, when it's a case from the Victorian Era of a middle-aged woman's murder.
The second theory would make sense except for the fact that she admitted to sending the letter.... that letter was suspicious AF
Yeah the fact that the meds were still under his seat this entire time is hella suspicious. That makes it seem like a frame job for sure.
Right! Also buying the pre paid cards that where used to buy the meds
Everything leads back to her.
Exactly what I thought. We are talking a orgy of evidence here. Even the police felt it was too convenient. Kaitlyn all but wrote "im framing my ex boyfriend" on her forehead after she admitting writing that letter. And as far as the rape goes most people who get raped by a boyfriend don't typically hook back up with him after getting raped.
I agree. The letter sent by her was the Achilles heal
Kaitlyn had searches on both her phone and computer, as well as the cards that made payment. But if you want to argue that the father did it, and that he was a master criminal, then why would he plant evidence in his son's car instead of Kaitlyn's car? Makes no sense to muddy the case by making the son a suspect instead of boosting the case against Kaitlyn. Only Kaitlyn benefits from the poison found in the son's car. So she did it.
When Katlyn cries, it is
Fake
Yes!!!
Right, her excuses are absurd. And if Adam or the Dad guilty then how did she know it was buried under the seat of Adam's truck? She admitted she wrote the letter. She says Adam supposedly confessed to her, I guess she could say he told her where he was keeping it. But I find it hard to believe that part of his "confession" was telling her "And I hid the evidence under the seat of my dirty ass truck where it's been sitting for the last 5 months!"
And if the Dad supposedly did and was framing her by using HER computer, cellphone, and her prepaid cards to search poisons and eventually order it why the hell would he plant the bottle under his SON's car seat,, thereby framing both of them? Then there is the insane, later assertion that ADAM wrote the letter "telling the truth"...what motive would he have to send that to the cops? Why would he write an anonymous letter that pointed to himself and have them digging through his truck where the poison was?
It's a wild game of 4D chess. He put the bottle in Adam's car to frame Kaitlyn for putting the bottle in Adam's car. Duh. (sarcasm)
Why do witnesses need immunity?
You are one of the 3 people I like the videos of before watching. Love your videos man.
So happy Mike has been doing cases barely heard of because all of the other crimes channels are still doing the same old ,talked to death cases.
Yes and this is a real who dunit, and not just another slasher case
So Adams method of framing Caitlin was to confess the crime and tell her where he stashed the lethal drug in the hopes of her sending an anonymous letter to the cops stating his confession and where they can find the drug.
Ha good point
but also manipulating her search history and using her credit card(s) to order the "poison"
@@Lupuscrafter aha but that only shows how good a criminal he is
@@lachimolala3203 Not really because it would be way too long winded & risky. I think the OP's point stands. He would not have told her about the crime in the "hope" that she would do what he wanted her too. That wouldn't be smart, more like stupid!!!
@@Arckivio I was just kidding sorry hehe
Mike, your choice of words and often subliminal jokes are making me giggle if not bursting into loud laughter every time, your unique style of presenting so serious topics makes it hard to resist to binge-watch your channel!-))) Great content!!! (edit - typo)
You’re one of my fave you tubers. Keep up the good work mike!
Holy crap, she was 60 years old? Cheese and Rice, she looks in her 40's!! Gorgeous woman rip 🙏
Beautiful!
@@amandaoneill6040 She truly is/was.....this story breaks my heart, she was SO damned trusting and loving - She did not deserve such a terrible end 💔
She looked 60, Nowhere near 40
@@undergroundsoldierz3824 Glad I'm not the only one... LOL
@@undergroundsoldierz3824... Ya think? Then you should compare her pic at 8:46 with the ones from Jamie Salé, the former figure skater... She's 44 and looks older than Mary!
She did it. The letter saying the pills were in his car proves it to me. If he was so smart to do the perfect frame job there’s no way he’d still have the pills. And I don’t believe he’d confess to her either.
Unless he wanted her to rat on him to the police knowing that their turbulent relationship and the fact he had used her devices would only make homer look super guilty.
@@mariet4894 but she admitted to buying the credit cards used to buy the drugs, she definitely was involved to some degree. If she was told by Adam to do it then why not say that either. But claiming no involvement when her fingers are all over...
EXACTLY! Why would he confess to someone he’s attempting to frame?!
@@Deedeed33 Because his and his father's plan is foolproof enough that the cops wouldn't believe her, which is exactly what happened. Those two men worked this girl like a fiddle.
@@FernandoGastelo she said she didn't buy the cards @ 14:42. LIkely her boyfriend stole them from her and used them.
I grew up in Whitesboro. To randomly find this one...CRAZY!!
watched one of mikes videos 2 days ago .now binged watched loads more..absolutely love them !!!!
“She was my love, my soulmate” but yet you were having an alleged affair with her sister. Sure Jan
“Alleged” you said it yourself. There’s no proof of it being true..
@@v_keii4806 But it is a fact that they ended up together afterwards, right? That is still a little weird.
@@v_keii4806 Yes . That is why he married herl
Believe it or not, it is possible to have a soulmate and still have an affair. The French are experts.
Life is complex.
“90% of the time it’s 100% the spouse” Love it!
It made me laugh
This is truly a sad story. Give love to the man of her life.
Why do people talk to the police without a lawyer?
You know it's going to be a good one when you've already heard the name in the title.
As an Irishman I'd just like to say Mike is the perfect example of a modern Irish gentleman. Over the years Irishmen especially have been painted into a corner as drunken brawling yobs (we all know who I'm talking about here) but the reality is most Irishmen are smart funny considerate wholesome and charming. And young Mike here is living proof of that, I will say however Mike is extra special and we all can admit that. Cheers to you and your continued success. Do you know anyone on RUclips who's limited their Patreon to only €2, now that's a gentleman, after Patreon and the government take their cut there's almost nothing left yet he still turns out excellent videos twice a week. So please guys if you're avid fans of That Chapter join his Patreon. I'll just say it, I love you dude and that's coming from a straight married man.😀
Yea as an english guy I'd have to say if any country is full of drunken brawling yobs it would have to be england
@@heathen-greaser That maybe true but to most of the world they think everyone in England is related to the queen and speaks with a posh accent. We know that's not true but perception is more believable than the truth unfortunately.
@@countys32 I've been hoping to visit Ireland, my grandmother was proud to no end that she managed to trace her Irish heritage to the Mayflower and the presidential Kennedys, she passed 20 years ago.
Haven't heard too much about how Ireland is doing during all this pandemic bs, hopefully casual travel might be back in the cards within the year.
The other thing I think we shared was being proud most of our blood was from Ireland and only a slightly larger portion then what came from the UK came from the French.
Anyways, good evening to ya, hope you and yours are doing well in these crazy times.
@@TheLikenessOfNormal Well we love having Americans with Irish heritage over here, hopefully one day you can come and see the beautiful emerald Isles for yourself. Thank you for the reply and much love from Ireland.
My grandma is Irish and doesn’t drink neither do I
>the in-laws have a grudge against her sister's husband
Seems pretty clear what's going on here to me tbh. Isn't it the oldest trope around that no one gets along with their in-laws?
This has been very interesting. I just watched another site (not Coffeehouse Crime) cover this exact crime. I was wondering if there would be different takes since each of you would have done totally separate investigations into it. Surprisingly, you both have to same conclusion.
I like your analysis better. Plus it comes with a cute accent. ❤