@@popfox2195 early 20th century German communist movement try and take power before immediately descending into infighting and getting steamrolled by Freikorps literally every time challenge: Difficulty: Impossible
Well, Germany wouldn't be able to crush their communist insurgencies from 1918-19 and would fall to them, the whites would win the Russian civil war, some fascist party would win in France, wanting revenge on Germany for the devastation of ww1, Britain would be the same but more independent and would be the least fascist out of the axis and other stuff
Mussolini remained in the PSI being somebody else who created fascism (but Mussolini still took power), the failed painter decided to blame jewish capitalists and "fight for the proletariat", while Tojo for an unknown reason became communist. Stalin was in the Mensheviks, which managed to defeat Lenin; and became more liberal. Chiang Kai Shek realized that he ought to be more fair to peasants if he didn't want CCP to take over, so he became social democratic. Petain was begining to embrace ultranationalist ideals and he couped French Government. Churchill joined the BUF and advocated for a more corporatocratic variant of fascism. MacArthur couped American Government during Great Depression and spartanized US so it "could be purified"
less genocide by Germany and less massacres by Japan at the least, though I don't know what the fuck the Americans will do in this timeline given the "purify the world" national foci they have....
@@danielutriabrooks477 Yeah: if it’s from a TNO prospective, we can see Europe being dominated by the Comintern of Hitler, with Russia falling into anarchy, and a Cold War between the Comintern and America, the last fascist power on earth. If we follow the mood of the video (so with the politicians having opposed ideals for no particular reasons, so let’s just imagine they all grow up in believing something different) after Hitler’s death , germany will be fought between Heydrich (leader of the Stasi, loyal to the semi independent French Volksstaat), the Hitlerite (otl Stalinism) Borman, the Stratocratic Communist Goering and the Revisionist Socialist Speer. After the death of Mussolini, the Democratic Socialist Galeazzo Ciano will try to impose Socialist Democracy, opposed by the hardline Italian politburo led by Comrade Scorza. If the Crisis isn’t solved, a coup by the fascist movement may occur, creating Black Italy (led by the Eco-Fascist Laura Conti, to name one possibility) Then I can’t came up with other scenarios lol
Would make more sense if these guys were in charge: Germany: Otto Strasser/Joseph Goebbels (never became fascist) Italy: Mussolini (staying as leftist like in KR) USA: George Patton UK: Oswald Mosley France: Jacques Doriot Russia: Konstantin Rodzaevsky/Joseph Stalin (flips to fascism)/Alexander Kerensky (democratic) Japan: Sanzo Nosaka/Ken Satayama China: Dai Chunfeng/Wang Jingwei
I am just gonna say that is this what would happen if ww2 didn't start until 1960, but then I see the leader portrait and their ideology, not sure what to feel about this
It would be a hella buffed Germany, maybe even winning ww2, since Germany was preparing for a war in 1949, in the case of Poland giving Danzig to Germany
@@Acuarea Germany would have defeated the Allies easier, at least for a while, but I don't think that they would have stood a chance against the Soviets, as they were preparing for a war too. They would have pretty much recovered from the Great Purge, Holodomor, and the transfer of the big factories to the Urals. Also, they would have ended the fourth five-year plan (1944-1949) and they would have a much much better economy and industrial capacity with a population of nearly 200 million people (without annexed territory).
Kadets wanted to keep fighting WW1, def not the best party, they did not care about the millions of average Russian empire subjects dying in a useless war
@@ABPHistory They had their faults, all the parties did, but unlike some other major parties at the time they: 1. Pursued economic liberalization 2. Pursued democratic reforms 3. Supported Private Property 4. Supported Minority rights 5. Were against anti-Semitism 6. Supported unions and workers (Yes the other leftists parties did too) 7. Supported Religious freedom and free expression I am aware that there plenty of parties that supported at least one of two of these, but the Kadets supported them all and are better in mind for it. They are a lot like libertarians in the USA, albeit more centrist. So while yes, this is my own personal bias speaking, I just feel that they were the best party in Russia, just not perfect.
What does WW2 look like in Asia then? EDIT: shamelessly riding my first comment to post this lol (This Video-OTL) Japan = USSR (will probably invade China right after WW2) Russia = USA (doesn't really make sense ideologically though) Germany = France (targeted by Axis) Italy = UK China = Poland (will probably get screwed by both Japan & Axis, but doesn't really make sense to be the first invaded) France = Germany (seems like the one starting war over Rhineland) UK = Italy (less ideological than Italy/USA) USA = Japan (the ally overseas)
Russian and Japanese Cold War in Manchuria Russian lend-lease to China to make sure they win the civil war so Eurasian democracy could be secured post-war Uneasy partnership with Japan against Mac Arthur’s American imperium Generally, try to scramble to hold as much land from the axis as possible to minimize Japanese/socialist influences in Asia post-war Russian/allies invasion/liberation of Alaska minimal allies' intervention in Europe on the side of the Germany/Italy Russian liberation of Iran and from it expand Russian democracy to the British raj and the rest of the Middle East and maybe liberate Egypt too if the allies were lucky Russian discovery of the atomic bomb In the last years of the war, the United allies coalition nuked Washington DC, San Francisco, and Anchorage to finally try to get America to peace out it fails hard Operation downfall and unthinkable is drafted more nukes are prepared to be used against the Americans On d-day, the United allies landed in California trying to make as much chaos as possible to annoy the American and fuck up their control of the Americas as well as use California as a launching point for further deployment of the atomic bomb At this point, the war has become a slogfest America has gone full enclave using endless waves of minutes men and militias to fill in the gaps between the lines and chemical weapons to gas out the allies from Alaska/California Allies are barely holding on to Alaska and California using democratic collaborators to fill in the gaps between the lines while trying to bomb the rust belt to stop American wartime production Eventually, both sides are too tired to continue any further a DMZ is established and America is split between the democratic West and the militarist east Latin America is fully liberated from American rule Cold War begins between the democratic world headed by China and Russia vs the socialist world order headed by Germany and Japan with America being a wild card trying to overcome the two
Communist Japan trying to bring freedom to the people of Asia, I guess(? There would also be the fact that many of the colonies/dominions from this axis within Asia would also probably be in the bad guy ideology (can’t say cuz RUclips)
@@newguy8288 basically that’s probably British raj and indochina would probably be hell holes rn and Japanese probably gotta have Manchuria be the exiles place for the Maoist post Chinese civil war
Based wholesome Sun Yat Sen China, gigachad liberal democracy Russia? If the Russian spirit was combined with democratic ideals, I’d have legitimately wished for this universe, even as an American.
Literally the Divisorius Revolutionibus timeline, where Russia became fascist and Germany became communist because Hungary successfully broke away from Austria during the 1848 revolution
Not really since Russia became Democratic while US,UK and France became Fascist but this is somewhat close to DR (Since the Axis except Italy is Commie)
@@NewRepublicMapper he was a socialist, not a communist, he was also a pretty atypical socialist: he had some nationalists views pretty early on in his journalists career (he wanted Italy to enter in ww1).
@@maximillianx1395 What are you even talking about? He literally had the view of any other socialist party in Europe who supported their gouvernments in WW1, just not the Italian one.
that moment when stalin and shek are the only wholesome members in allies
Chang is his last name, not Shek
Shrek
Chiang Kai Shrek
shank guy shrek
Didint know that shrek was fighting on chineese nationalist side during the ww2 😳
Keep in mind Karl Marx unironically expected this to be the timeline
I mean if any of the like 14 attempted communist uprisings in Germany actually succeeded it maybe have been😊
@@popfox2195 early 20th century German communist movement try and take power before immediately descending into infighting and getting steamrolled by Freikorps literally every time challenge:
Difficulty: Impossible
@@conserva-chan2735 Lol
@@conserva-chan2735 i wonder which movement these freikorps soldiers will end up supporting
@@andreamarino6010 stahlhelm, then Kapp, then DNVP and Zentrum, then, y'know...
Someone'll have to explain to me the lore of how this timeline became possible
Well, Germany wouldn't be able to crush their communist insurgencies from 1918-19 and would fall to them, the whites would win the Russian civil war, some fascist party would win in France, wanting revenge on Germany for the devastation of ww1, Britain would be the same but more independent and would be the least fascist out of the axis and other stuff
Crack
Mussolini remained in the PSI being somebody else who created fascism (but Mussolini still took power), the failed painter decided to blame jewish capitalists and "fight for the proletariat", while Tojo for an unknown reason became communist.
Stalin was in the Mensheviks, which managed to defeat Lenin; and became more liberal. Chiang Kai Shek realized that he ought to be more fair to peasants if he didn't want CCP to take over, so he became social democratic.
Petain was begining to embrace ultranationalist ideals and he couped French Government. Churchill joined the BUF and advocated for a more corporatocratic variant of fascism. MacArthur couped American Government during Great Depression and spartanized US so it "could be purified"
Okay, but... _Commie_ Hitler?
@@ernestorivas3764надеюсь немцы победят
Not sure if this timeline would've been better or worse
less genocide by Germany and less massacres by Japan at the least, though I don't know what the fuck the Americans will do in this timeline given the "purify the world" national foci they have....
It would be worse, the Axis would've won.
@@mike7671 This is a TNO super event, so an allied victory is also likely. Now I'm only thinking about what kind of german unifiers we could have
@@danielutriabrooks477 Yeah: if it’s from a TNO prospective, we can see Europe being dominated by the Comintern of Hitler, with Russia falling into anarchy, and a Cold War between the Comintern and America, the last fascist power on earth.
If we follow the mood of the video (so with the politicians having opposed ideals for no particular reasons, so let’s just imagine they all grow up in believing something different) after Hitler’s death , germany will be fought between Heydrich (leader of the Stasi, loyal to the semi independent French Volksstaat), the Hitlerite (otl Stalinism) Borman, the Stratocratic Communist Goering and the Revisionist Socialist Speer.
After the death of Mussolini, the Democratic Socialist Galeazzo Ciano will try to impose Socialist Democracy, opposed by the hardline Italian politburo led by Comrade Scorza. If the Crisis isn’t solved, a coup by the fascist movement may occur, creating Black Italy (led by the Eco-Fascist Laura Conti, to name one possibility)
Then I can’t came up with other scenarios lol
@@danielutriabrooks477 imagine having "good guy" Oskar dirlewagner as an unifier 💀
that moment when china is literally sun yatsen dream
Actually based.
Would make more sense if these guys were in charge:
Germany: Otto Strasser/Joseph Goebbels (never became fascist)
Italy: Mussolini (staying as leftist like in KR)
USA: George Patton
UK: Oswald Mosley
France: Jacques Doriot
Russia: Konstantin Rodzaevsky/Joseph Stalin (flips to fascism)/Alexander Kerensky (democratic)
Japan: Sanzo Nosaka/Ken Satayama
China: Dai Chunfeng/Wang Jingwei
our struggle 💀
Tbh I would honestly want to see a mod of this and how wacky you could make it
Wholesome stalin
Eh seems shittier, capitalism will kill plenty of people
Custom event: * shows a world even worse than our timeline*
Tankies and manchildren: "EMUGEHRD IT'S SO HECKING WHOLESOME EBIN CHUNGUS!!"
reddit is down the hall and to the left
What's the point of this comment
I am just gonna say that is this what would happen if ww2 didn't start until 1960, but then I see the leader portrait and their ideology, not sure what to feel about this
It would be a hella buffed Germany, maybe even winning ww2, since Germany was preparing for a war in 1949, in the case of Poland giving Danzig to Germany
@@Acuarea Germany would have defeated the Allies easier, at least for a while, but I don't think that they would have stood a chance against the Soviets, as they were preparing for a war too. They would have pretty much recovered from the Great Purge, Holodomor, and the transfer of the big factories to the Urals. Also, they would have ended the fourth five-year plan (1944-1949) and they would have a much much better economy and industrial capacity with a population of nearly 200 million people (without annexed territory).
Is it me or is this opposite day?
0:47 Kadets were the best party in the Russian Empire, nice to see them back for this!
Kadets wanted to keep fighting WW1, def not the best party, they did not care about the millions of average Russian empire subjects dying in a useless war
@@ABPHistory They had their faults, all the parties did, but unlike some other major parties at the time they:
1. Pursued economic liberalization
2. Pursued democratic reforms
3. Supported Private Property
4. Supported Minority rights
5. Were against anti-Semitism
6. Supported unions and workers (Yes the other leftists parties did too)
7. Supported Religious freedom and free expression
I am aware that there plenty of parties that supported at least one of two of these, but the Kadets supported them all and are better in mind for it.
They are a lot like libertarians in the USA, albeit more centrist. So while yes, this is my own personal bias speaking, I just feel that they were the best party in Russia, just not perfect.
When the national socialist were actually socialist.
I like the drums 10/10
what drums 💀
@@HeadsetHatGuy the part that play in the beginning you malignant hamster
@@truwu8177 malignant hamster lol
What does WW2 look like in Asia then?
EDIT: shamelessly riding my first comment to post this lol (This Video-OTL)
Japan = USSR (will probably invade China right after WW2)
Russia = USA (doesn't really make sense ideologically though)
Germany = France (targeted by Axis)
Italy = UK
China = Poland (will probably get screwed by both Japan & Axis, but doesn't really make sense to be the first invaded)
France = Germany (seems like the one starting war over Rhineland)
UK = Italy (less ideological than Italy/USA)
USA = Japan (the ally overseas)
Reversed war the Chinese are the one who start the war with japan probably
China invading Japan
Russian and Japanese Cold War in Manchuria
Russian lend-lease to China to make sure they win the civil war so Eurasian democracy could be secured post-war
Uneasy partnership with Japan against Mac Arthur’s American imperium
Generally, try to scramble to hold as much land from the axis as possible to minimize Japanese/socialist influences in Asia post-war
Russian/allies invasion/liberation of Alaska
minimal allies' intervention in Europe on the side of the Germany/Italy
Russian liberation of Iran and from it expand Russian democracy to the British raj and the rest of the Middle East and maybe liberate Egypt too if the allies were lucky
Russian discovery of the atomic bomb
In the last years of the war, the United allies coalition nuked Washington DC, San Francisco, and Anchorage to finally try to get America to peace out it fails hard
Operation downfall and unthinkable is drafted more nukes are prepared to be used against the Americans
On d-day, the United allies landed in California trying to make as much chaos as possible to annoy the American and fuck up their control of the Americas as well as use California as a launching point for further deployment of the atomic bomb
At this point, the war has become a slogfest America has gone full enclave using endless waves of minutes men and militias to fill in the gaps between the lines and chemical weapons to gas out the allies from Alaska/California
Allies are barely holding on to Alaska and California using democratic collaborators to fill in the gaps between the lines while trying to bomb the rust belt to stop American wartime production
Eventually, both sides are too tired to continue any further a DMZ is established and America is split between the democratic West and the militarist east
Latin America is fully liberated from American rule
Cold War begins between the democratic world headed by China and Russia vs the socialist world order headed by Germany and Japan with America being a wild card trying to overcome the two
Communist Japan trying to bring freedom to the people of Asia, I guess(?
There would also be the fact that many of the colonies/dominions from this axis within Asia would also probably be in the bad guy ideology (can’t say cuz RUclips)
@@newguy8288 basically that’s probably British raj and indochina would probably be hell holes rn and Japanese probably gotta have Manchuria be the exiles place for the Maoist post Chinese civil war
Based wholesome Sun Yat Sen China, gigachad liberal democracy Russia? If the Russian spirit was combined with democratic ideals, I’d have legitimately wished for this universe, even as an American.
"Wholesome chunguserino heckin 100"
@@Monkechnology real????
Tojo Stratocratic Communist-Shinto Militariat System? That's Blurst to me
I think i've been drinking
Literally the Divisorius Revolutionibus timeline, where Russia became fascist and Germany became communist because Hungary successfully broke away from Austria during the 1848 revolution
Not really since Russia became Democratic while US,UK and France became Fascist but this is somewhat close to DR (Since the Axis except Italy is Commie)
Very cursed world
my brain hurts
The main problem I have t
With this is that Macarthur would NEVER in no scenario lead a dictatorship.
WW2 in Ohio be like
FUCK YEAH
Lemme guess, fascist allies and good guys axis?
Hitler is Jew
Russia is market liberal and China is social democratic, so not fully
comunists axis is not "good guys" either
@@baseditalian03 compared to whatever the Americans are doing they're pretty damned good
@@Warsie right
Who would win?
wholesome shrek
0:46 what the name of this speech, does anyone know have the link?
What kind of curse world is this
1080p 😍
Сталин и так в соло всех разнесёт.
Bruh this is so cursed 😂
China is wholesome though, I like it 👍
Hey just a question what is the photo you used for the superevent of the US soldiers?
What the heck's going on here?
it's just 'reversed'
Reversed ww2
@@johnlistrethetnecreatorand like it!
Mirror Universe
Bolshevik Mussolini.......
My eyes are bleeding.
He was formerly leftist tho so it would make sense
@@NewRepublicMapper he was a socialist, not a communist, he was also a pretty atypical socialist: he had some nationalists views pretty early on in his journalists career (he wanted Italy to enter in ww1).
@@maximillianx1395 What are you even talking about? He literally had the view of any other socialist party in Europe who supported their gouvernments in WW1, just not the Italian one.
@@NewRepublicMapper He was a syndicalist and remained one.
the axis if it was based
tru
Communism has never been a base.
Even without jokes
@@ФедорВ-г1с False
@@Revolutionary_Fish False... history?
@@ФедорВ-г1с Your History..
If Russia and china are wholesome, then which side are they on?
Fascist Britain needs another flag. The one with the lightning by Mosey for example…
You think Japan would still have Chinese colonies or did China nab them during the revolution that brought upon the Communist regime
Germany should be Anarchist
So KR?
Nahh I still support the allies in this one
Never thought i'd say that hitler was based but here we are
WTF GERMANY
The time i would support germany, italy and japan.
😳😳😳😳😳😳