Garage Therapy - Snow Foam Review
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Jon, sorry to hi-jack your thread but you've really turned me into a Bilt-Hamber Fanatic! I bought a gallon of both Touchless and Auto-foam and I'm amazed at how it just melts the winter muck of this Chicagoland winter!
Use some of the surfex HD also, amazing products.
Welcome to bikt hamber it's very hard to beat this stuff I am yet to find a product. If you find in the summer or windy conditions the snowfoam comes off quickly or dries up try adding 30-50ml of another known thick foam so it clings longer and if you car us extremely dirty and left for months like someone else mentioned add some bilt hamber surfex hd to the mix 🔥😎
Autofoam is the only snow foam I’ve found to work, although you do have to use quite a bit.
@@Captainrave I have used 4 oz to 1.5 gallons in my IK Foam 9 Foam sprayer at the quarter wash since it's cold out and that ratio has melted the winter muck away and it was sooooo crusty, that blew me away! I'm wondering how it will work when it warms up❗🤔
I have a lot of redundant foam bottles after using BH touchless.
Unless something new is hands down amazing I can’t warrant adding another bottle to the pile. (Limited space)
Thank you for taking the time to conduct the review Jon. As always we are very appreciative of your channel and the service your channel gives to our industry.
Some information that will help answer some questions you and the viewers have posted:
1) Foam Thickness.
This is an incredibly concentrated product. As a result, you need less to gain a good amount of foam. When we have developed this snow foam we tested the most popular pressure washer and lances setups on the market. We found that at this concentration of product, it done the best across the many permutations of setup (GPM, Orifice Sizes, Snow foam lance, hard vs soft water etc.
The benefits of a concentrated product are that you can dial in the foam to the performance of the setup one has to get a nice wet consistency of foam. We do not recommend having a thick foam as shown in this review as it doesn't do enough work on the dirt. of course at high concentration less product does more and thus cost per use falls.
2) Cost.
We are a small brand and we are trying our very best to create the best products we can with the resources we have at our disposal. We do not have the same buying power or facilities as some of the fantastic brands do out there. The biggest factors for the cost are concentration, high quality non caustic raw materials and the R&D we put in. We feel the concentration brings the cost per wash on par with the market. It is something we will try to improve when the global economic situation improves.
3) Cleaning Power.
The product is a powerful pre-wash. To extract the best performance, you have to firstly choose the right ratio/pir for the dirt level of the car and also use the foam setting on the lance to dial in the consistency of the foam to ensure the wetting is at appropriate levels. Soon as this is balanced well the cleaning performance really shines through at great dilution rates.
4) Foam Lances.
We have found that the MJJC produces too much foam for a product as concentrated as /ONE: Snowfoam at its fullest setting. We do recommend people dial back the foam setting to create that great balance of foam wetness we are after. We have found that other lances produce better results out the box at the fullest setting.
5) Product placement.
It was a tricky task not fit the Snow Foam into our system as Decon Shampoo is so effective and powerful. One of the reasons why we placed this into the maintenance side is due to its non-caustic nature and its ability to be used at a low dilution and still achieve great results. A snow foam needs to be usable all year round not just for winter. If the foam is too thin, its not good in the summer, if the foam is too thick, it doesn’t wet the panel thus doesn’t clean as well.
We hope this adds some value to the discussion. We also hope you continue to test and adjust for a wetter foam as we are confident you will unlock the cleaning power you are after and add another plus mark to the review.
Nah autofoam or magifoam beats this easy lads
If you are set on a certain PIR you can’t make the foam wetter without diluting it more.
@@alexlundgren940 you base line the consistency of foam required and you then figure out the pir on the dial setting with wet foam.
Great to see a genuine manufacturer reply to a reviewer with information on your products!
*The benefits of a concentrated product are that you can dial in the foam to the performance of the setup one has to get a nice wet consistency of foam. We do not recommend having a thick foam as shown in this review*
The product instructions say to calculate PIR on the highest foam setting, and for best results spray onto the car in the high foam setting. The product specifications say its formulated to be High Foaming yet it now works better with wet lower foaming. Too many contradictions here but for the money I had high expectations and thought it was average.
Hello Jon from Australia🙃 I'm sure this will open a can of worms but to help any brand of snow foam you should start like this : rear of car 1st starting at lowest areas and then carry on to the lowest areas on sides front and then work your way up till you have finished at the roof...This will give your snow foam the longest dwell time at the dirtiest areas.. When it comes to rinsing off again start at the bottom and work your way up so you can easily see where you have rinsed off rather than washing it all off in some random rinse method.. think about it it does make perfect sense...😉
Makes absolutely 0 difference to the outcome & if you need to rinse bottom to top in order to remember what parts of the car you have rinsed... well you shouldn't be allowed to operate a pressure washer unsupervised 😉
Hi Jon
I know someone has already commented to say it does not perform well with the MJJC Lance. However, I used it with same lance and ratio as you did and was fairly disappointed. So contacted Maz and he suggested turning the dial down slightly with the mjjc. So I did and also changed the orifice for the bigger size. Results were much better and on par with autofoam in my opinion. So the key trick is to not have it to thick as it needs to be wet. Basically thicker is not better
But by turning down the dial, you are reducing the product ratio, so you need to add more product to bring it back to the advised PIR. Adding more product then makes the foam thicker again so that doesn't solve the problem.
The product needs to be revised to remove some of the foaming agents if the thickness of the foam hampers it.
I’m sorry Jon don’t use the MJJC lance the best way to use this snowfoam is 100ml to 1:5 litres of water in a pump sprayer allow to dwell treat it as a citrus product then if you are going to use a snowfoam lance use anything but the MJJC lance it makes the foam far to dry I found this in tests before I reviewed it also 50ml/60ml with 500ml of water in my BigBoi lance worked perfectly I should also point out the name is just basic to keep things simple it doesn’t effect the products performance I’m sure people in the comments section will disagree with me on my comments but these are my findings after doing my own tests many thanks Jon for your videos 🙌🏻🇬🇧
if we use it in a pump sprayer we are not following the instructions on the bottle. we followed the instructions to the letter and showed results. Ive also used this in MTM and my PA lances since Im having similar results. Its a decent product with high quality materials used but I would like to see the foaming action lowered a bit so I can up the concentration without it getting too thick. Other than that I think its a winner.
My new go to foam. I use 40ml and top the lance bottle to 500ml and it works a treat. I prefer the slightly wetter foam from the MTM lance👍
Good review John from a BH user. But a missed opportunity to compare it with BH Autofoam. Could have used GT on one side of the car and BH on the other. The obsession with snow foam thickness is misleading - it’s how well the product cleans that really matters.
Yeah agree, was hoping for a comparison to BH too, perfect chance for it.
Hi Jon, GT snowfoam is the only one I could recommend. From all the ones I have tried it stands out head and shoulders from the rest
From watching Jons video and how he had to give it two attempts, second with such a high concentration, convinces me more that In your test it was the roadrage that broke the dirt down. Also it had the cleaning power rather than the GT snowfoam.
The film of dirt was still quite visible after the second attempt.
As always thank you for taking the time to share your content.
@@swift2117 still cant agree with Jon, I have used it a number of times since my video with just the foam & its the only one I could recommend🤷♂. At the end of the day you need to use the one that works for you
Just out of curiosity have you tried Bilt Hamber autofoam?
@@swift2117 Hi yer, yes and Im really not a fan. Over rated and ridicules dilution rates. I was so unimpressed I gave 5lts away🤷♂
@@ObsessiveCarDetailer Thank you Martin, appreciate the honest opinion.
So this Garage Therapy really put on a "Snow Storm" but clearly Bilt-Hamber Touchless or Auto-foam is waaaaay ahead ❗
yes, Garage therapy is snake oil m8, stick with Bilt Hamber for the win.
I personally found it good at removing dirt but really poor at removing traffic film on my Ranger.
I've not gone back to it since. I much prefer the zero decon.
It's very odd because other than me, then Nick at Gillywash, and now you, everyone else has not seen such issues and vehemently argues to the contrary. I was ultimately *extremely* disappointed.
As for people saying don't use a snow foam lance, but to use a pump sprayer.... the clue is in the name.
And those saying don't use the MJJC lance, that may be true, but where does the instructions state that? It is the ONLY snow foam I know of that's "funny" about lance choice. You don't get that "fussiness" with any of the others, and they just work. Jon did exactly as I did, FOLLOWED THE INSTRUCTIONS, and got the same results. What hope has anyone who just buys this stuff got (who isn't in the GT discussion Facebook group constantly reading posts about "what dilution are you using" 30 times a week, trying to find the best mix, in the best lance, at the best top dial setting)?
I'll revisit it again in the summer as I see its potential for "summer dust", but for me in winter, on my car, it's a resounding "No" 👎.
Too many gt fan boys yes they have very good products but this one isnt simple martin at ocd cant say a bad word anout GT 😂
Sadly I must agree
Not great at removing traffic film such as you get from motorway driving in the rain.... general dirt is OK but not film at this time of year....
However I'm persevering and will figure out the sweet spot for my set up because ivecseen it working and I know it does work
I'm going to be doing a test of it against Touchless and Autofoam for my channel in the coming weeks; I always end up liking AutoFoam more than the others as it works well across the range, it doesn't seem to have special use cases.
did you review this on your channel Dave?
@@ForensicDetailing I did but never published it.
I have to say my findings were identical and I was typically brutal.
I sent my findings to Maz and had a fair bit of back and forth trying different things, but I never really got it to work for me on traffic film.
I had actually come off RUclips before that video was due out and haven't published since.
I don't envy you though, I smashed WP 8below a while back and the backlash was furious.
Hi Jon, interesting review.... been a ONE snowfoam user from day one, with MJJC MTM PF22 and a generic Lance...
In regards the MJJC you have to crank the adjustment back a bit between ¼-½ turn to get the right consistency, as you said in a previous video similar to snot!
Use an MTM PF22 and it's on the money out of the box. Diveway stays cleaner when used right too.
1:9 is suitable for most jobs once consistency is adjusted, recently did a Range fresh back from a trip skiing in the Alps... and was 95% clean at 1:9 ratio... As you rightly pointed out ifnthe foam is too dry won't clean properly, and yours was way too dry... The 1:3 is past Instagram Foam 🤣
Have a play with it and will be good to get your thoughts, I've put it up against 8Below, IMax, KKD Blizzard Xteme and my experience is it beats them all when used properly...😉
Great demonstration of the product, but also of the short comings of the MJJC lance, it creates foam that's too thick in some cases, so you don't want to run it with the draw nozzle set to maximum. Quarter turn back and it's a lot wetter.
product instructions state to use the high foam settings for best results.
@@ForensicDetailing I know. It's maddening isn't it, we've got a way to sort out the variance in lance and pressure washer setup's affecting dilution ratios, and now this.
I will say that the MJJC lance is the best one out there for the Bilt Hamber foams though.
I really enjoy using this product over the top of my citrus Oil
Jon its hard to disagree with you when your fully transparent and unbiased . I am done with the days of thick foam I just want cleaning power in pre snow foam which is safe on my last stage protection (wax ,sealants ,ceramics etc) and if it's thick then that's a bonus . My go to is bilt hamber touchless or bilt hamber autofoam which is very hard to beat based on power and price.
I love the garage therapy range..the shampoo is the market leader imo....so when they released the snow foam i bought 5lt without hesitation...unfortunately i still have around 3lt left..i just dont find it cleans as well as Bilt-Hamber...especially on unprotected paint...and it was on my drive for days which is a negative for me
Good review as always Jon, something I've seen mentioned about GT Snow Foam, is that it doesn't like the MJJC foam lance, so perhaps the Lance is playing a part in it being less effective. However I'm not entirely sure, whether the issue with the MJJC lance is widespread or a few isolated incidents. I've actually just bought 5litres of the stuff to try out. Based on my maths, the cost per wash, at 3% PIR isn't far off Bilt Hamber Auto Foam at 4% PIR.
We've done the same maths and reached the same conclusion. I'm going going to re-run the test I did with Gyeon foam against Touchless and Autofoam in my channel, but with GT snow foam instead. Based on this video it doesn't look that effective, but at 9:1 in the bottle, based on my lance, I think that's producing
@@SuperchargedLlama I'll keep an eye out for that video then.
But from my own testing it doesn't clean as well as Autofoam at the same dilution so... at 3% compared to AF at 4% it doesn't perform as well so their is no benefit imo. It's a good foam, it cleans well but it falls just short of AF on performance & significantly more expensive.
Eventually been waiting on a u to do a review on this, a side by side comparison against BH and WP 8 Below would be interesting 🙌🏻
I tend to tone the mixture down to create a more wet, thinner foam, also I use it in the Autoglym lance, as the MJJC Lance is known for its ability to produce thick foam, so the Autoglym one seems to get it just nice, not tried it in my MTM one yet, also I have to say I always use a citrus pre wash, Valet PRO or Road Rage depending, either before or just underneath, I'm sure the majority of people who do this for a living or are a keen enthusiast probably do the same and yes I know that can come across as sounding a bit counter intuitive to some because they see a Snowfoam as the only thing needed if ur pre washing, but people in the know, know for better results, use a citrus pre wash.
Great review Jon, I'm glad I watched this video, you saved me £35, the bilt Hamber is still "undefeated"
I'm not saying that Garage terapy snow foam is a bad product, but from what I've just seen on the video, it's not worth the price 😉 but that's just my opinion
Love the dirt simulator. I always compare products to BH in my head lol.
This won’t pull me away from BH Auto-Foam or WP 8 Below. I don’t care about quality of foam, thickness or dwell times. I just want something that shifts the majority of road film.
I also use a karcher k7 and mjjc pro2 foam cannon and the foam is way to thick for my liking at 10/1!! I was my car weekly no matter what so it never gets dirty so I find a a20/1 ratio perfect!!!!
Jon,
NTA is short for nitrilotriacetic acid, its been used for many years as a sequestrant/Chelating agent in many cleaning products but as its classified as harmful to humans formulators are using safer alternatives and classing them as Nta free.
I was just about to buy 5L of this before watching the video! With BH auto foam and touchless but already in my detailing inventory after watching the video I’ve decided to save myself 35 quid
10 litres of autofoam all day long
Hi Jon, I found the same as you didn't really do anything at 1-10. I dont use an mjjc lance and had a nice wet foam and still wasn't impressed. Increasing the ratio and adjusting the dilution to get a nice thin wet foam at 3% and it starts to work. Unfortunately not as good as touchless which for me in the winter months is unbeatable.
Its interesting how different reviewers get different results with the same product
Different incentives
@@bf3256 Maybe
Sorry Jon I’m sticking with Bilt Hamber class leading performance mate.
This time of year, if there is thick road film I'm starting to spray either Autofoam or Surfex directly onto the lower really dirty sections with a sprayer (around 2% PIR). Then apply Autofoam over the whole car just to stop it drying out so it can all dwell nicely. I'm not sure I've seen anything in GT SF to make me transition at that price point - the PIRs would be about the same but the £££ is higher, and I'd still need to use other products to do the heavy cutting.
I do the same but just bought hdd roadrage to try instead of surfex
Been using this foam since it came out! Absolutely fantastic to get rid of this Damn salt and road film! Would definitely recommend this product! 🤙🏻
Marvellous mate. I would agree with your comments, based on your results. For a winter wash I prefer getting that stuff off quick, and the way you were scrubbing the paint, freezing the old knackers off, and the way the foam sat on the drive, its a big no from me. You would probably need a pre wash/tfr for the pre wash.
Good video Jon, but absolutely love GT Snowfoam (sugar based), usually use it or Infinity Wax's PowerFoam (also sugar based), and again I make a cocktail with AM Foam or GT Decon to get good cleaning results. Doesn't need to be thick, just 'cling n clean', otherwise my elderly neighbours think its snowing again!! 😁
As you have mentioned many times John thick isn't always good. And it looks awful on the drive after you have finished! You will never move all of the dirt without a contact wash. But what you can do is get rid of the really abrasive stuff, and most snow foams will do that. Personal favourite is Koch GSF. Cost effective and as good as anything on the market. P.S LOVE the Koch jacket!
So, shall I watch another snowfoam video or just read the comments below....turns out Bilt Hamber hasn't been dethroned (Thank god- I've got loads after watching Jons Video's) and saved myself 35 minutes. Not that Jon isn't entertaining and he makes great effort and takes pride, I'm just invested in Jon's Bilt Hamber recommendations 👍
I use it at 10:1 but tend to have to use road rage underneath it first to get more bite, otherwise I get the same results as you
Would be Interesting to see you compare v1 with V2. I have recently purchased V2 to try something different and I am very pleased with it so far.
I'm still yet to find a snow foam which comes close to Bilt Hamber.
And the winner and still champion....Bilt Hamber. Whew! Having two 5 liter jugs of BH in the garage, thanks to you (!), Im glad I don't need to buy another product.
Great video John, I would love to see snow foam been used on a really dirty car.
Thanks again for a great honest review Jon 👍
I didnt rate gt yes it gives thick foam but as we know that means nothing without the true cleaning power....bh auto foam or touchless will forever be my go to....bh would have eaten all that film away
I feel for brands that will get compared to bilt hamber, because for cost/power there is no better than auto foam and touchless
Look forward to the V2 review!
Where is Reg. That guy cracks me up. He reminds me of frank Spencer, from ‘some mothers do have ‘em’
All reviews I've seen say to dial it back to make it wetter and then it works fine, plus the mjjc Lance just doesn't work for GT snow foam
But if you dial it back you reduce the concentration levels. You then need to add more product to hit whatever PIR is recommended & then you are back to thick foam. It DOES NOT solve the problem that the product has too much foaming agents within it.
Product instructions say to use in high foam setting
Hi Jon, great video, and timed perfectly for me as I was literally just about to buy some of this stuff. I've enjoyed using some of the other GT products, so had high hopes for this. Guess I'll stick with BH auto-foam or give touchless a go! Are you intending to do a 2022 snow foam comparison?
Love the content mate, very easy to watch. Anything with the m4cs in particular as I just picked my m3cs up and have spent the last week on it. 3 stage correction with csl and exo.
found this review a tough one….love GT and been meaning to try this. I think it looks way too foamy for me. Price isn’t too bad. Don’t mind the name. Bit harsh on it to compare it to decon wash - one is a shampoo, the other a snow foam…GT needed a gentler maintainance pre wash. One burning question - did it hang around on the drive for ages afterwards? I can’t bloomin stand that !
@@adblf that’s what i feared….it’s another great thing about Autofoam - it’s powerful but is gone from your drive nice and quick
I love that car jon. Absolute unit! Great choice mate.
Sunday brew at the ready per usual. Weather is shite here so nothing is getting done today xD
Hi John could FDC do a Youtubw short on the best impact angle for a pressure washer.
Does dirt spray off better at 90 deg impact angle or 45 degrees or something else?
Thanks for your awesome channel.
Come in at angle m8. Safer if there's any chips.
My conclusion is this, ALL snow foam is a waste of time water and money, you are better off just using a citrus cleaner on the high dirt, like the rear and lower areas first and then just pre rinse the car before contact wash
Yet to find a citrus cleaner that cleand as well as Auto Foam so your comment isn't accurate at all.
Hi Jon. Great video as always. It’s also great to see an unbiased review on this product. I’ve been a long term user of Auto Foam and nothing comes close to it in terms of cleaning power, in my opinion. Would you say Auto Foam has better cleaning power than this?
pound for pound yes
@@ForensicDetailing thanks for the response. I was considering buying some of this stuff, but I won’t now. I mainly use Auto Foam, but also use Labocosmetica Neve/ Primus or AD Magifoam. Will stick to these. Thanks.
good review and vid, thanks for sharing1
I've been using garage therapy tyre conditioner and applying it with the car scope dressing brush (rebranded makeup brush) with stunning results. I don't think any other dressing applicator comes remotely close, the gyeon one was probably the worst I tried.
I'd like to see dedicated tyre cleaners vs APC (e.g surfex); YUM undress looks pretty good for instance. Tyre cleaning on an unmaintained car has to be the shittest job, scrubbing 4+ times per wheel is ball busting for so little payoff.
GT Decon at 1-9 is a one hit job on tyres.
Seriously, try cleaning a car that lives in the countryside, gets absolutely caked in the shit from the lanes, one coat of snowfoam just doesn't cut it at all, so would like to see a product used on a truly dirty car.
I try it found it didn't clean heavy stuff unless stronger like you did but then cost go up . Also to much foam hanging about for 2days at times . Starting to use road rage at 10-1 cleans and cheaper or citrus cleaner
@Obsessivecardetailer carried out an honest review on this product a while back.
Personally this is why an enthusiast need a few SF's one thick smells great satisfying and one which actually does its job👍🏼.
AD Magifoam is £18 a litre without any deals.
Wanna see KKD/Squid Link testing if you haven't already.
I'm convinced it was the hdd roadrage that did most the work in that video.
Go check out his video on hdd roadrage.
Before he applied the GT snowfoam he put the roadrage on the car.
This video just shows two attempts with GT snowfoam and the results are disappointing.
Plus side is that GT are very focused and determined and I think we will see a v2 of the snowfoam soon.
Maybe I should buy this to mix it with my Bilt Hamber. So I can do all those "I'm washing my car" foto's.
I used Autoglym. Not impressed! Tried BH touchless and loved it. Shifts the dirt and disappears from the driveway quickly. I won’t be trying the garage therapy
I still wouldn’t be happy with the finish (25min 15sec) on the sill. You can still see where you wiped by hand. I buy 25litres of Turtle Wax Professional Wash n Wax from Costco and use as snow foam with similar results for much less ££££.
It seems premium brands imagine a different world from weekend warriors - full of slightly dirty almost new cars inside shiny bespoke studios where something like this at 1:10 would be great. For us though it seems it just isnt powerful enough and if you do crank it up it becomes silly expensive and mad to consider buying…..
Not a fan of the thick foam, just clinging there and doing naff all. Question is how much did it "soften" and how much work did the pressure washer do after the product was long gone...?!
I want that hat 👌
Just doesn’t seem to cut it cleaning wise compared to things like BH - I want one of those hats John, get a Imran to give you some giveaways! 👍
Hi John, quick random question. How often would you suggest properly cleaning and conditioning your car leather? Did the whole agitation with a brush and then conditioned yesterday and curious how often that should be done? Cheers, great content as always!
Hey Josh we did video on this. Search how to clean and protect you car leather
Hi. What snow foam do you recommend for a ceramic coated vehicle please ?
Jon, how often do you/would you recommend to wash your car? Advice states once every two weeks. What's your thoughts?
depends how dirty it is and how much time you have on your hands :)
@@ForensicDetailing how about during winter? Incredibly difficult to keep a car clean. Perhaps once a week if needed?
I tend to do 14 days
Back to the bilt hamber :)
John bonymans blizzard says very alkaline so will it strip wax etc.have you ever thought of reviewing any of the 25 litte offerings available on eBay Jenny chem etc also have you ever reviewed 201-1 shampoo made by car car chem for valeting products. Car chem do there own 1600-1 but believe this is only in 5 litre cheers
Most snow foams are advertised as non alkaline and let's face it most who watch your Chanel look after the cars regularly so never really dirty
bonnymans blizzard works well its wont strip waxes mate 4.75 for 5 litres.
Cheers
Will this product be suitable for a Matt Paint finish? - are you doing a video on the best detailing products for a Matt Paint car?
hello my friend this quesiton needs to go to garage therapy I cant provide product support for them. matt cars I want to look at this later on my friend.
@@ForensicDetailing Thanks
I'm a big fan of GT stuff but I won't be using this, why? Specifically BECAUSE it's thick. It sits around on the floor for ages and the minute you move the car it's all over your wheels and lower panels just like every other thick foam. I'll stick with Bilt Hamber thanks at least I can wash it away fairly easily AND it cleans like no other snowfoam does! If I was a detailing product manufacturer I'd do a deal with BH, change the colour slightly, put it in my own bottles with appropriate labels and not even bother making my own, no point when the best by far already exists.
Foam party at Jons 🤣
Hey Jon, how long does the foam take to disappear from the ground? Anything like Autoglyms Polar Blast it takes aaaaaaages? BH Touch-less is my current go to.
It took a while not sure. I'm not too worried about that though. Sometimes I move my car and use the soap on the drive to give it a quick. Clean with the pressure washer while the duds r there
I want that Koch Chemie jacket!
Hmmm bit disappointed by the showing I must say, I had this earmarked as what would finally make me start snow foaming, as I dont currently. But blimey, what a mess that must have made all over your driveway (one of the things Im not a fan of with snow foam)! Maybe autofoam is what I should start with after all.
Thanks for the doing the test regardless. Noticed number of comments saying turn the dial down on the lance, wonder what the results would be then as other channels have spoken very highly of it...
Autoglym high foam tfr £50. For 25 ltrs
How much bar is the pressure machine?🙄
@ForensicDetailiingChannel great video and great channel, I find your videos very helpful, entertaining, and informative. I have been looking at the Krystal Kleen Detail Blizzard Snow Foam on the in2detailing website. Would it be possible for you to do a review on this. Thanks, Keep it up.
I have come to the conclusion after 4 years of using snow foams, that most snow foams and snow foaming in general really doesn't do that much to clean the car as compared to just using 3-4 wash rags. If you have to use more water than exists in the entire Great Lakes to clean the car, you may be wasting your time. In saying that, I refer to maintenance washes. if your car is covered in dirt snow foam may be a help, but I have learned to not expect much
Can I get a flake with that? 🍦
I’ve got a question for you John I’ve been using Maguires tyre dressing the purple coloured one and I’m getting a bit fed up of it as it’s a bit messy and it stinks what is the best chemical I can use to take off the old dressing as I want to start using something like auto finesse satin A water-based dressing instead of a greasy oily one
Surfex hd good start m8
Get yourself some autoglanz rebound
Bailout at 3.37 with it being £35 for 5L, Bilt Hamber is the bench mark for me on price sorry Jon
Looking for my first DA polisher any recommendations
Da8 in2detailing or das6 pro cyc
big GLUOPS OF FOAM! amazing video and commentary once again!!
I tried this product some time ago... it was ok... didn't last very long at all.
Hey John, I have a question :
Since you are probably in contact with BH , could you tell then to make a product that is already a mix of Surfex and Autofoam?
I love the mix of the 2, works wonders.
Best to ping them thing mate direct in an email or I become like a middle man messenger.
@@ForensicDetailing Wasn't meant to be a thing like that , but I tought since you are a Pro detailer you could talk to them , since I saw about the mix and loved it .
That was just an Idea anyway 👍😃
I contacted BH once and had a positive reply 😀
@@danielbrooker6859 About this idea ? or something else ?
How would you mix them!? And does it affect the foam ? I use surfex in a spray foamer on the wheels and lower area of the car and then just snow foam over the rest!
for it to be more expensive it needs to be better in performance
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Hi Jon, I'm really sorry but this review isn't a fair representation of the product and it's ability. Whilst I appreciate you have followed the instructions and only reported what you have seen there is more to this product than you have seen.
Whether this one was rushed to create content or not it lacks the usual in depth review of a product you normally deliver.
As you'll know the Mjjc produces a thick dry foam not ideal for this product turned to max. As others have said in comments, wound back to create a milky consistency and this product delivers a different result. Alternatively a different cannon like the mtm would have shown the product in a different light.
What essentially you've done is make out the product is poor leading to a potentially brand damaging review for GT who are in essence a small UK brand.
I think every gt product has appeared on my channel, not many brands can say that, which hopefully helps the brand. But we also review products here, if your looking for only positive comments you have to go elsewhere. But also this is not a mega negative review I think the product is high quality but I want more cleaning power from it. And I've used it many times now even in mtm lance.
Thank you for the reply Jon. I'm not only looking for positive comments but when I feel the review has not done a product justice I will share my point of view. I appreciate you are a reviewer so what comes with that is both points of view on a product.
My criticism still stands though. Iv used the product extensively with an Mjjc to good effect. Straight up I understand your results, I initially had them too but further testing would have yielded positive results like I now get. It does remove traffic film at lower ratios adjusted corrctly and doesn't need to be as thick at upper ratios as you've demonstrated. The dirt Sim test is flawed in some respect because the results of Zero on this video are night and day in difference compared to the results in your review you did on strip waxes. Viewers in most cases won't see that or remember it so you've essentially made One look worse than it is even if unintentionally.
Is it potentially a fussy foam? maybe. Is it as good as BH? Maybe, maybe not, that's like anything, personal preference on a products feature come into play and tbh isn't my main point here but for others it will be. But outright it's a better product at cleaning than you've reported and doesn't need to be an ice cream like foam when adjusted.
I hope you can see my point.
I can see all points, but the instructions were followed to the letter. If we adjust the ratio to wet the foam we drop the PIR below the recomended level. If the product performs better wet then this info needs to be on the instructions, or the foaming level needs to be lowered, this was my feedback. I've made the same comment about magifoam and 8 below, you can't unlock there potential without them over foaming, and no one disagreed. The dirt simm test will vary in winter because the oils in it will thicken in the cold it becomes more tacky. But we use Decon as a yardstick because we know that's very strong and can shift it. Interested to see if mas lowers the foaming, all products need tweaking. If you want I'll go 1 to 10 with mtm and wet the foam more and blast down again but I've already done to this and it's not helping it will just create more drama. Either way you can't win, when I recomend Decon wash in my best strip wash video I got accused of being biased. Cest la vie, but there won't be many review channel left in the UK at this rate because it's just not worth the hassle of reviewing stuff properly.
If there is one company that will listen it will be GT. They have demonstrated perviously launching a product and then going back and tweeking it with One Shampoo and Zero Iron Oxide so no doubt Maz will be listening and looking. I also believe there is merrit in somewhat more detailed or changed instructions.
Unfortunately the criticism of being bias or the quality of the review will always be their. That comes with the territory of the role you have taken on. You have also somewhat created the monster unintentionally with your love for BH products. Nothing wrong with that, I love them too but unfortunately people will see that at face value and the BH lovers will look to see if this is an alternative product for them to use alongside or instead of.
I think the frustration of those that have come back at you like myself are in that we know the product works effectively albeit with adjustment or by alternative application methods. Or that you do actually like it but this was not conveyed on the video maybe as intended because of the overall result. The problem was the video felt rushed(for content maybe) and not to your usual standard of in depth analysis but that has been said. If the dirt Sim acts differently in different temps, understandable but that needs explaining to viewers. Like you saying doing it again won't gain anything and just cause more issues so I don't think there is an ideal outcome for anyone.
No it's exactly the same as other individual foam tests and none of those brands came back to counter the points, neither did I get brand fanboys accusing me of bias or even blaiming the lance. Again if I was capable of bias I would not bother showing GT products I'll just take a pay check from any of literally hundreds of brands that will happily partner up. So anyone that says this review is bias is dumb. And it's the dumb people that damage this brand. I can also spot fake accounts with ease.
Bilt hamber autofoam every time
Is that what the AF stands for, Auto Foam?
I can't be bothered with all this Pea Eye Are nonsense. It all gets too technical and difficult for me due to my crap attent-shun span. I just dump 40 ml of Bilt Hamber Laboratories Auto-Foam into a 500 ml, fill the rest with tap water, connect to the gun, then just pull the trigger on my trusty old Nilfisk Sea One Two Zero Dot Seven, and then it's done! Time is money in my little bay and I just don't have the luxury of time for maths.
Until snow foam can clean the car properly, to me it's just another money making gimmick.
The v2 is better
Poor product not as good magifoam or auto foam yet martin ocd claims this is the best foam he’s used i knew he was a GT fan boy
Look how much water and time it's taking to rinse the product, ,
Not a good product in the real world,
Normalize calling products what they are. Not annoying fancy names that are hard to remember. Auto Finesse is notorious for this. Have to consult a website or manual just to figure out what each product does. NO THANK YOU. It's tacky anyway.
no where as good as BH
I found the GT wheel shampoo useless - enough to put me off this too..
@@adblf no better than a standard shampoo at suggested dilution - probably does more at RUclipsr extra glug concentration when they aren't paying
It's great for a contact wash. Lubricants, suds stay around, does a great job here. Much better than a normal shampoo used on wheels