Love the opening JT. I've been seeing these spokes more and more and was curious about trying them. Sounds like these would be ideal on a hardtail too.
@10:36 It's worth mentioning that all of the rims with the HAWK30, HAWK 30X, & HAWK27 are manufactured by We Are One in Kamloops, BC. Available hubs are either from Berd, Industry Nine of Asheville, NC or Onyx of St. Augusta, MN. Of course the warranty of these wheelsets is provided by Berd regardless, but it's nice to know where the components are manufactured and by what companies.
My set is about 4 years old. I've never had to true them, but it is an easy process. They supplied me with a tool for use in truing with the wheelset. You could buy a couple of extra spokes, if you're worried. Berd recommends "tightening" them up after a while, but I haven't found that to be needed. They remain a great wheelset.
For a hardtail this wheelset is perfect, your suspension should do all those things instead of a wheel. The zip rim is interesting because it flexs and lets it grab the trail.
Good point. My experience is that these wheels smooth out a lot of the micro chatter you get on certain trails, the kind that mechanical suspension just can’t react to fast enough.
As an older rider I really appreciate verticle compliance. Some say Alloy wheels offer more VC than does carbon. Not exactly sure about that but I wonder how berd spokes would feel/perform laced to alloy wheels, Thoughts?
Good question. I think the reason this particular set works so well is because the rim is specifically designed for a compliant spoke, hence the shallow rim depth to allow for flex. If they can do that with an alloy maybe that could work too? Idk. I know in general alloy has a “memory” and can only flex so many times before it becomes “work hardened” and then can become brittle. But I bet there is some new fancy stuff that could work. 🤷♂️
I'm curious about these spokes long term, but sounds like it's made of a robust material. Onyx has hubs for rope spokes. If you like puns: I spoke too soon. This is going to cause some tension. Good thing nobody roped you into this. But clearly you can't do this with no strings attached. Looks like you were on a roll.
@@deanl1108 nope. Not even close. I just make bad financial decisions. 😂 I ended up with we are one hoops because they have a lifetime warranty, and onyx hubs and Berd spokes
The problem that the spokes would fail still on the metal part first., because they are not triple butted plastic. So durability is under question. But it can be resolved
CORRECTION: I quoted the wrong price for my Berd Wheelset. My setup is $2,095 with the Talon hubs, NOT $2,295
Love the opening JT. I've been seeing these spokes more and more and was curious about trying them. Sounds like these would be ideal on a hardtail too.
Thanks! I laughed a lot editing it lol. These would be perfect on a hardtail. Anything that helps reduce the “hard” in hardtail is a good idea IMO. 👍👍
@10:36 It's worth mentioning that all of the rims with the HAWK30, HAWK 30X, & HAWK27 are manufactured by We Are One in Kamloops, BC. Available hubs are either from Berd, Industry Nine of Asheville, NC or Onyx of St. Augusta, MN. Of course the warranty of these wheelsets is provided by Berd regardless, but it's nice to know where the components are manufactured and by what companies.
Absolutely. Thanks for pointing that out 👍
My set is about 4 years old. I've never had to true them, but it is an easy process. They supplied me with a tool for use in truing with the wheelset. You could buy a couple of extra spokes, if you're worried. Berd recommends "tightening" them up after a while, but I haven't found that to be needed. They remain a great wheelset.
That’s great to hear! I bought extra spokes and the tool right away just in case as well.
Compelling reasoning behind a Berd wheel set. I did notice the Berd wheels were quieter on the trail than your other wheel set. Thanks, JT!
Thanks brother! Yes, I didn’t expect them to be noticeably quieter either but it’s a nice benefit.
Honestly, I thought they deadened trail noise, too. Not just mechanically quieter. 🤔
If you get a chance to ride some def try them out. It’s super cool that they are in Minnesota too 🤌
Clever content!! Super interesting, as always! 👏🏼
Thank you! Tried to mix it up a bit on this one 👍
For a hardtail this wheelset is perfect, your suspension should do all those things instead of a wheel. The zip rim is interesting because it flexs and lets it grab the trail.
Good point. My experience is that these wheels smooth out a lot of the micro chatter you get on certain trails, the kind that mechanical suspension just can’t react to fast enough.
As an older rider I really appreciate verticle compliance. Some say Alloy wheels offer more VC than does carbon. Not exactly sure about that but I wonder how berd spokes would feel/perform laced to alloy wheels, Thoughts?
Good question. I think the reason this particular set works so well is because the rim is specifically designed for a compliant spoke, hence the shallow rim depth to allow for flex. If they can do that with an alloy maybe that could work too? Idk. I know in general alloy has a “memory” and can only flex so many times before it becomes “work hardened” and then can become brittle. But I bet there is some new fancy stuff that could work. 🤷♂️
The intro was fun and thanks for the info
Glad you liked it, it’s truly my pleasure 👍👍
"OH, God, that's the wrong line!"
If I had a dime...😅
Right!? 😂. Even on trails I ride all the time!
I'm curious about these spokes long term, but sounds like it's made of a robust material.
Onyx has hubs for rope spokes.
If you like puns:
I spoke too soon.
This is going to cause some tension.
Good thing nobody roped you into this.
But clearly you can't do this with no strings attached.
Looks like you were on a roll.
I love a good pun! 😂😂 nice work.
I’m also curious about the long term strength of these spokes. Time will tell
I’m getting the Berd TR30 27.5” for my pivot trail 429. But why is the warranty not as good on these?
Nice! Those will be really nice 👍. Not sure about the warranty on those, you might wanna email berd.
You must be rich then.
@@deanl1108 nope. Not even close. I just make bad financial decisions. 😂
I ended up with we are one hoops because they have a lifetime warranty, and onyx hubs and Berd spokes
$2300 is a lot of cheddar, even in Wisconsin. That being said, I think “buy once, cry once” applies here. 🤑
lol that’s a great way to look at it!
actually I messed up, my setup with the Talon Hubs is "only" $2,095 👌
This is how you know the cycling industry has run dry of new ways to take your money.
🤣🤣 they will always find another way. I mean, now I need sram AXS transmission on all my MTB’s 🤷♂️🤦♂️
Absolutely shocking price. You can buy a full new mtb for the price of them wheels.
Yep that’s true.
The problem that the spokes would fail still on the metal part first., because they are not triple butted plastic. So durability is under question. But it can be resolved
Good to know 👍