Nice video, I think you made a mistake at the end as the part talking about building in the case etc starting @ 21:06 is repeated at 22:54. I thought it was youtube or my internet messing up at first lol.
Thank you for the time and effort you put into your video on the CS382 setup. I recently moved one of my workstations/servers to a CS382 Silverstone NAS case with Windows 11 Pro as my base server, utilizing Storage Spaces. I wanted to keep things simple. Currently, it serves as my workstation and main Plex server, managing all my media, including TV shows, movies, music, pictures, and backups from old PCs. I have a second Plex server that is essentially a storage space running Windows 11 Pro in a Fractal Meshify 2 case. I’m working on transferring it to a second CS382 case to set it up solely as a Plex storage server. I wanted a straightforward way to store my media and documents, and Windows Storage Spaces does that without the need for Docker and other add-ons. If I ever need those, I’ll use a separate server or workstation for them. Your setup and methods have been really inspiring. Remember, no matter what others may say or suggest, it’s your creation to enjoy. Thanks again!
Thanks for this overview, was very interesting. I am using the same case and almost exactly the same setup - only difference is I got Windows 10, and I am using it as a hybrid server/workstation instead of remote access. Glad to see I am not the only crazy person using Windows and Hyper-V as a homelab haha!
@@GrumpyWolfTech fair enough. I tried Server before, and not only are there driver issues, but also some apps just straight up refuse to work… For example, TeamViewer randomly decided my lab is a business environment. Other apps might still work but licensing cost goes up. All this to say, in my experience desktop Windows just works with no issues whatsoever.
Just FYI there is such a thing as a slim DVD drive bay to 2.5" Drive bay adapter. You can also get a 5.25" to 4x 2.5" adapter to get @ 5 extra SSDs installed.
02:06 power connectors are not either or. You need both connected on both back plane blocks. 2 each, so 4 in total connected. Confirmed in my build with SS a few months back
@GrumpyWolfTech Up to you. I told Silverstone I'm running 4 x 12TB and 4 x 16TB 7200 SATA drives and they said you won't have the amperage with all of them spun up
Thanks for a very detailed setup, I ordered the Silverstone CS382 after your video :) I saw that you have tried both SAS and SATA drives in your setup. Does the usual SAS to 4 sata port breakcout cable also work for SAS drives, if I have the LSI controller?
I did Windows storage spaces for my retro gaming and lost everything when it failed. I went to Unraid which has dual parity array, cache, vms, dockers etc and haven't looked back!
Hi man and thanks for the interesting review! I'd love to know fi you mounted it in a rack or if you keep it as a tower. I'd really love to use one in a rack so i'm looking around about it. Anyway i'm one of those who can't very well understand why someone would choose windows server for this use-cases but i'm also one who lives by "if it works don't change it" so i can understand. Still i would feel bad not pointing out what i would do differently if you reading this are thinking about doing something like this. First i'd use proxmox that it's an open-source-free hypervisor ( virtual machine manager ) who has snapshot capabilities and other easy way to backup and it's no more than an afternoon of "work" to set up, even if starting as a newbie to linux. If you just want to use it to create a windows vm as a gaming pc and a backup it's probably even less time and you have an added layer to access your pc in case something happens ( starting and turning off Windows remotely, controlling it, repairing it, easy reinstalling etc.. ) Case in point about the video- AMD drivers. Using proxmox and its drivers you could easily pass virtual cores to a windows server VM without problem ( if you can virtualize windows server, which i believe so but i never used it. ) Anyway, i don't understand why the complicated "download from the server fast" bit when you can simply play directly from it...? ( via parsec or even more simply steam direct play ) Proxmox or not, with your setup i would simply fill the server with a big GPU an even bigger CPU ( if you have kids for example ) and then sell + replace all the other pcs high tier components with low power cheap ones, and directly game and work from the server. As i've said i never used windows server, but i'm sure that's one of the most useful feature about it - having multiple users with each is own set of resources. In Proxmox you would have to make a single VM for each account but no biggie, still would work great. Maybe i didn't get everything ( skipped the Hyper-V bit ) but it doesn't make lots of sense to me to have 1 server with the games stored and then download them on my local machine, with 2 cpus 2 gpus and all the rest involved. Maybe it's me. P.S: I feel the normal job and this as a hobby but... Switching from windows server to proxmox (for example) it's a rare video ( never seen one ) + all the " after 1 month/ after 3 months/ what i prefer in windows server vs proxmox( or other)/ what i miss the most/ Should you switch from windows server to proxmox(or other) etc. etc... " These are just the first titles for videos that came to my mind in one go, using your unique perspective of a player and advance homelab user with windows server.. It seems very valuable to me in terms of content. Anyway cheers and nice video!
@@lorenzonicastro8399 I do plan to do a short follow up showing my network setup. I also just bought a unifi 8 Port 2.5gb switch with 2 SFP+ ports for 10gb.
Have you perhaps checked the idle power consumption of the system (at the socket?). I plan to build a similar server but I wonder about the power consumption.
I didn't, but I did set the TDP to 65 watts, since this cpu is 105 and I generally don't need it. Only reason I went with this cpu and not just the non X version was I got it on sale for $220 which was cheaper than the non X variant at the time.
My server with dual Xeon's and 512gb of ram, I use Windows as well, Windows 10 Enterprise, your right, use what you are familiar with, I've gotten some flack about it as well, but hey its does exactly what I want it to do and has been for years now. I don't personally like to fight with an OS when it doesn't like something when I can just install a different OS that does everything I want anyway.
seems about right except im using standard 10G over RJ45 not fibre, but yeah ive seen speeds upto 2.3gbps on steam doing transfers, dispite having 60mps normal download speeds, occasionally it will surprise me and do 80-90mps dll but thats about it for my broadband, that case is very tight for a server, my dual epyc motherboard would never fit in there. Yeah i had Server 2019 for a while, didnt see much advantage over normal windows except for hdd format was different, and lacked for gaming, so didnt see the point for my use case. if your going all out Unraid or whatever, youd be better of with something other than windows like TrueNas, Linux, Unix etc....
honestly I didn't even notice the board supported it until you said something since it wasn't a feature I was really looking for. Going back and looking at ecc now though I'm still not sure if I would, price is pretty high and the fastest I see is 4800, I really wanted 6000, since at the time I built the pc 6000 was the sweet spot for the infinity fabric for the AMD 7000 cpus. It's the same speed I run in my gaming PC. Fair point though.
@@GrumpyWolfTechyou can now get 5600 in ECC from Micron. That is the fastest ECC can go at the moment. Depending on if you want single or doubke rank, the price isn't too much more than non-ECC Udimms.
honestly I've never had an issue with it, and anything SUPER critical I keep stored on onedrive or google drive. Though now that I know the board supports it (I didn't notice when I bought it) I may switch to ECC in the future.
I can see you don't usually build PC, cos the way you install MB 1st then the CPU and cables. And nothing wrong with windows as server or NAS OS, but I do prefer windows server version, less things to worry about later.
lol, I've been building PCs probably longer than you've been alive. There is literally no reason to not put the mobo in first. I like having a solid place for my mobo when I'm putting everything together, this isn't an issue in 99% of builds.
The PSU is not a fire hazard, please do some research on different psu's before you comment. Also it sounds like you don't understand the difference between an internal and an external IP address. You can't dox me off that IP address since it's an internal IP address.
@@GrumpyWolfTech That PSU is trash. I'm a network engineer, this is what i do. I was referring to a non static IP, but you already said you set to static, so i said nevermind. Segotep has pretty bad reviews, and is on a lot of do not buy/buy at your own risk lists.
@@jdsim9173 I worked for MS in networking for 7 years, lol. Also I would love to know what reviews you are looking at. 2445 reviews on amazon. 4.5 stars. 4 out of 5 eggs on newegg, and the bad reviews were for the fan going bad after a couple years.
Few things, if you don't mind: 1. I wouldn't take this case as it doesn't have enough airflow for 8 drives, 2 cards and a 105w CPU. It might be cool now, but if you plan to edit using this storage solution, prepare for some heat issues 2. Windows 11 is, IMHO, a really bad choice, considering Microsoft is constantly releasing bad updates which causes reboots and sometimes system crash. You mention that you have 2 RUclips channels, so I assume you don't have much free time, specially to learn something entirely new, so in that case I would actually recommend buying a good and cheap nas from Qnap or Synology. It doesn't take long to create volume and share, and the best part - your system will last longer, without shoddy updates, crashes and reboots
Been using windows 11 since release on my desktop, laptop and tablet, literally 0 issues with it. Only problems I have is AMD drivers on occasion, which I blame AMD for. As I mentioned a NAS is more expensive than this case, I've gone that route before, one of the sata ports went bad. I'll stick with a good company that I can rely on and know will honor a warranty if I need to use it. Lastly I currently have 6 HDD in this thing, it runs perfectly cool, no issues at all with heat.
Some years ago I remember I had to setup a small server for a cpuple particular tasks so I tried linux which I've never used before and after about 2 days and don't know how many hours I gave up and went with windows 7, set up the stuff I needed and in about 45 minutes I had a working server 😂😂😂 so I do understand where you coming from, today the only reason I'm using unraid instead of windows is because the same thing unraid is way faster to get what I need done than windows and a couple stuff that windows simply doesn't have, atleast not out of the box. Love your build, I'm waiting for the Jonsbo N5 case to come out on amazon or newegg to do a small upgrade to mine.
If you use a kind of linux and specialized NAS distros, perhaps you sata/SAS board will work as originally was. Windows is not the best NAS system, can be used to ? yes, but other are more recomended. All your problems listed in this video is because windows and compatibility with hardware as you wish, and windows dont let "you wish", it must be in the windows way. If you choose windows because games and steam, it can be solved with virtualization - and it make sense just if you use your NAS SERVER as a desktop, it makes no sense for me, or it is a desktop or it is a server, the two at same time cannot be. You must make a choice, and in my opinion, the best is turn this machine just a server, dumb server, without monitor, just management by ethernet/browser (as the majority of NAS systems do). And them into you pc/desktop you can make use of the services provided by the server, like a drive with the steam games (maybe a scsi drive exclusive for this). And the other things will work same as before.
What are you even talking about? If you are talking about the pcie card I had then no you are wrong since the card was literally defective. Secondly there was no "compatibility" issues. It was simply a matter of AMD not putting out server drivers for a board that wasn't designed for it.
YES ANOTHER PERSON THAT DONT LIKE ASUS i dont like them cos there boards are crap and i mean the ones form 1997 dont like msi stand for More 5hit Inside,,,,thats what i do dvd or blu/ray cos they cant take them back
Nice, didnt know that Steam can find your server in local network. Such a save of time. 2 questions 1. How you connecting to your VM Machine from your PC. Is it only RDP >> ip >> credentials ?? 2. For What are you going to use your VM Machine ? I mean not exacly but for example for what it can be used to ??
You can use the ip, or just use the pc name I'm using the vm machine to um... acquire things from the internet, thus having a vpn on it and not the main os :P
Nice video, I think you made a mistake at the end as the part talking about building in the case etc starting @ 21:06 is repeated at 22:54. I thought it was youtube or my internet messing up at first lol.
You're right, oops.
Thank you for the time and effort you put into your video on the CS382 setup. I recently moved one of my workstations/servers to a CS382 Silverstone NAS case with Windows 11 Pro as my base server, utilizing Storage Spaces. I wanted to keep things simple. Currently, it serves as my workstation and main Plex server, managing all my media, including TV shows, movies, music, pictures, and backups from old PCs.
I have a second Plex server that is essentially a storage space running Windows 11 Pro in a Fractal Meshify 2 case. I’m working on transferring it to a second CS382 case to set it up solely as a Plex storage server. I wanted a straightforward way to store my media and documents, and Windows Storage Spaces does that without the need for Docker and other add-ons. If I ever need those, I’ll use a separate server or workstation for them.
Your setup and methods have been really inspiring. Remember, no matter what others may say or suggest, it’s your creation to enjoy. Thanks again!
Thanks for this overview, was very interesting.
I am using the same case and almost exactly the same setup - only difference is I got Windows 10, and I am using it as a hybrid server/workstation instead of remote access.
Glad to see I am not the only crazy person using Windows and Hyper-V as a homelab haha!
lol. I honestly really wanted to use windows server, but it just doesn't play nice with AMD drivers :(
@@GrumpyWolfTech fair enough. I tried Server before, and not only are there driver issues, but also some apps just straight up refuse to work… For example, TeamViewer randomly decided my lab is a business environment. Other apps might still work but licensing cost goes up.
All this to say, in my experience desktop Windows just works with no issues whatsoever.
Just FYI there is such a thing as a slim DVD drive bay to 2.5" Drive bay adapter. You can also get a 5.25" to 4x 2.5" adapter to get @ 5 extra SSDs installed.
Love this case. I recently went with a new case that has 4x 3.5 bay trays. Hard to find cases wth lots of drive bays.
Whats the model?
@@eduard0321123 Fractal Design Core 2500
21:50 You know there are just 5 screws holding in the hard drive chassis, slide it out so you can access the whole motherboard to work on it
02:06 power connectors are not either or. You need both connected on both back plane blocks. 2 each, so 4 in total connected. Confirmed in my build with SS a few months back
No you don't, mine is literally running just fine with just the SATA connectors.
@GrumpyWolfTech Up to you. I told Silverstone I'm running 4 x 12TB and 4 x 16TB 7200 SATA drives and they said you won't have the amperage with all of them spun up
Thanks for a very detailed setup, I ordered the Silverstone CS382 after your video :)
I saw that you have tried both SAS and SATA drives in your setup. Does the usual SAS to 4 sata port breakcout cable also work for SAS drives, if I have the LSI controller?
I did Windows storage spaces for my retro gaming and lost everything when it failed. I went to Unraid which has dual parity array, cache, vms, dockers etc and haven't looked back!
unraid is S+ tier
I’ve looking at the CS382!!!
Hi man and thanks for the interesting review! I'd love to know fi you mounted it in a rack or if you keep it as a tower. I'd really love to use one in a rack so i'm looking around about it.
Anyway i'm one of those who can't very well understand why someone would choose windows server for this use-cases but i'm also one who lives by "if it works don't change it" so i can understand.
Still i would feel bad not pointing out what i would do differently if you reading this are thinking about doing something like this.
First i'd use proxmox that it's an open-source-free hypervisor ( virtual machine manager ) who has snapshot capabilities and other easy way to backup and it's no more than an afternoon of "work" to set up, even if starting as a newbie to linux. If you just want to use it to create a windows vm as a gaming pc and a backup it's probably even less time and you have an added layer to access your pc in case something happens ( starting and turning off Windows remotely, controlling it, repairing it, easy reinstalling etc.. )
Case in point about the video- AMD drivers. Using proxmox and its drivers you could easily pass virtual cores to a windows server VM without problem ( if you can virtualize windows server, which i believe so but i never used it. )
Anyway, i don't understand why the complicated "download from the server fast" bit when you can simply play directly from it...? ( via parsec or even more simply steam direct play )
Proxmox or not, with your setup i would simply fill the server with a big GPU an even bigger CPU ( if you have kids for example ) and then sell + replace all the other pcs high tier components with low power cheap ones, and directly game and work from the server. As i've said i never used windows server, but i'm sure that's one of the most useful feature about it - having multiple users with each is own set of resources. In Proxmox you would have to make a single VM for each account but no biggie, still would work great.
Maybe i didn't get everything ( skipped the Hyper-V bit ) but it doesn't make lots of sense to me to have 1 server with the games stored and then download them on my local machine, with 2 cpus 2 gpus and all the rest involved. Maybe it's me.
P.S: I feel the normal job and this as a hobby but... Switching from windows server to proxmox (for example) it's a rare video ( never seen one ) + all the " after 1 month/ after 3 months/ what i prefer in windows server vs proxmox( or other)/ what i miss the most/ Should you switch from windows server to proxmox(or other) etc. etc... " These are just the first titles for videos that came to my mind in one go, using your unique perspective of a player and advance homelab user with windows server.. It seems very valuable to me in terms of content.
Anyway cheers and nice video!
@@lorenzonicastro8399 I do plan to do a short follow up showing my network setup. I also just bought a unifi 8 Port 2.5gb switch with 2 SFP+ ports for 10gb.
You mentioned you were going to put links in the description?
You're right, I'm sorry. It's updated now
i trie that gpu for transcoding once, and it really struggled.
eventually I coughed up the money and got an rtx 4060 low profile,
cracking case! i bet it will weigh a ton if fully loaded with drives.
Have you perhaps checked the idle power consumption of the system (at the socket?). I plan to build a similar server but I wonder about the power consumption.
I didn't, but I did set the TDP to 65 watts, since this cpu is 105 and I generally don't need it. Only reason I went with this cpu and not just the non X version was I got it on sale for $220 which was cheaper than the non X variant at the time.
My server with dual Xeon's and 512gb of ram, I use Windows as well, Windows 10 Enterprise, your right, use what you are familiar with, I've gotten some flack about it as well, but hey its does exactly what I want it to do and has been for years now. I don't personally like to fight with an OS when it doesn't like something when I can just install a different OS that does everything I want anyway.
seems about right except im using standard 10G over RJ45 not fibre, but yeah ive seen speeds upto 2.3gbps on steam doing transfers, dispite having 60mps normal download speeds, occasionally it will surprise me and do 80-90mps dll but thats about it for my broadband, that case is very tight for a server, my dual epyc motherboard would never fit in there. Yeah i had Server 2019 for a while, didnt see much advantage over normal windows except for hdd format was different, and lacked for gaming, so didnt see the point for my use case. if your going all out Unraid or whatever, youd be better of with something other than windows like TrueNas, Linux, Unix etc....
Any reasons you didn't go ECC?
honestly I didn't even notice the board supported it until you said something since it wasn't a feature I was really looking for. Going back and looking at ecc now though I'm still not sure if I would, price is pretty high and the fastest I see is 4800, I really wanted 6000, since at the time I built the pc 6000 was the sweet spot for the infinity fabric for the AMD 7000 cpus. It's the same speed I run in my gaming PC. Fair point though.
@@GrumpyWolfTechyou can now get 5600 in ECC from Micron. That is the fastest ECC can go at the moment. Depending on if you want single or doubke rank, the price isn't too much more than non-ECC Udimms.
Btw - you don't need the Nvidia GPU on the machine since the CPU has video decoding logic built in and you can use it with Plex
yes it does, and it's not nearly as good or reliable as nvidia for transcoding.
no ecc ram could be dangerous for your data ;-)
honestly I've never had an issue with it, and anything SUPER critical I keep stored on onedrive or google drive. Though now that I know the board supports it (I didn't notice when I bought it) I may switch to ECC in the future.
No ZFS on his system - chances to lose data are (almost) close to none (especially he have DDR5 who plays nice with M$)
unRAID!
I know, I know xD
@@GrumpyWolfTech 😂😂😂
@@V1N_574can't teach an old dog new tricks 🤣
I can see you don't usually build PC, cos the way you install MB 1st then the CPU and cables.
And nothing wrong with windows as server or NAS OS, but I do prefer windows server version, less things to worry about later.
lol, I've been building PCs probably longer than you've been alive. There is literally no reason to not put the mobo in first. I like having a solid place for my mobo when I'm putting everything together, this isn't an issue in 99% of builds.
BTX case
Your PSU is a fire hazard. Never skimp on a good PSU.
Don't share by IP, always share by FQDN, DCHP can change. NVM, you got it.
The PSU is not a fire hazard, please do some research on different psu's before you comment. Also it sounds like you don't understand the difference between an internal and an external IP address. You can't dox me off that IP address since it's an internal IP address.
@@GrumpyWolfTech That PSU is trash. I'm a network engineer, this is what i do. I was referring to a non static IP, but you already said you set to static, so i said nevermind. Segotep has pretty bad reviews, and is on a lot of do not buy/buy at your own risk lists.
@@jdsim9173 I worked for MS in networking for 7 years, lol. Also I would love to know what reviews you are looking at. 2445 reviews on amazon. 4.5 stars. 4 out of 5 eggs on newegg, and the bad reviews were for the fan going bad after a couple years.
Few things, if you don't mind:
1. I wouldn't take this case as it doesn't have enough airflow for 8 drives, 2 cards and a 105w CPU. It might be cool now, but if you plan to edit using this storage solution, prepare for some heat issues
2. Windows 11 is, IMHO, a really bad choice, considering Microsoft is constantly releasing bad updates which causes reboots and sometimes system crash.
You mention that you have 2 RUclips channels, so I assume you don't have much free time, specially to learn something entirely new, so in that case I would actually recommend buying a good and cheap nas from Qnap or Synology. It doesn't take long to create volume and share, and the best part - your system will last longer, without shoddy updates, crashes and reboots
Been using windows 11 since release on my desktop, laptop and tablet, literally 0 issues with it. Only problems I have is AMD drivers on occasion, which I blame AMD for. As I mentioned a NAS is more expensive than this case, I've gone that route before, one of the sata ports went bad. I'll stick with a good company that I can rely on and know will honor a warranty if I need to use it. Lastly I currently have 6 HDD in this thing, it runs perfectly cool, no issues at all with heat.
Some years ago I remember I had to setup a small server for a cpuple particular tasks so I tried linux which I've never used before and after about 2 days and don't know how many hours I gave up and went with windows 7, set up the stuff I needed and in about 45 minutes I had a working server 😂😂😂 so I do understand where you coming from, today the only reason I'm using unraid instead of windows is because the same thing unraid is way faster to get what I need done than windows and a couple stuff that windows simply doesn't have, atleast not out of the box. Love your build, I'm waiting for the Jonsbo N5 case to come out on amazon or newegg to do a small upgrade to mine.
I actually saw that case a few days ago, though I would still use this one due to the space and the optical drive.
If you use a kind of linux and specialized NAS distros, perhaps you sata/SAS board will work as originally was. Windows is not the best NAS system, can be used to ? yes, but other are more recomended. All your problems listed in this video is because windows and compatibility with hardware as you wish, and windows dont let "you wish", it must be in the windows way. If you choose windows because games and steam, it can be solved with virtualization - and it make sense just if you use your NAS SERVER as a desktop, it makes no sense for me, or it is a desktop or it is a server, the two at same time cannot be. You must make a choice, and in my opinion, the best is turn this machine just a server, dumb server, without monitor, just management by ethernet/browser (as the majority of NAS systems do). And them into you pc/desktop you can make use of the services provided by the server, like a drive with the steam games (maybe a scsi drive exclusive for this). And the other things will work same as before.
What are you even talking about? If you are talking about the pcie card I had then no you are wrong since the card was literally defective. Secondly there was no "compatibility" issues. It was simply a matter of AMD not putting out server drivers for a board that wasn't designed for it.
YES ANOTHER PERSON THAT DONT LIKE ASUS i dont like them cos there boards are crap and i mean the ones form 1997 dont like msi stand for More 5hit Inside,,,,thats what i do dvd or blu/ray cos they cant take them back
Nice, didnt know that Steam can find your server in local network. Such a save of time. 2 questions
1. How you connecting to your VM Machine from your PC. Is it only RDP >> ip >> credentials ??
2. For What are you going to use your VM Machine ? I mean not exacly but for example for what it can be used to ??
You can use the ip, or just use the pc name
I'm using the vm machine to um... acquire things from the internet, thus having a vpn on it and not the main os :P