ONE YEAR BENCHMARK - PC Case Air Pressure Investigation Pt. 1
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5 bucks says they forget about this a year from now!
Let's remind them to it each video :) 355 days to go :)
EDITED thanks
Their electricity bills won't let them.
It's 'remind' not 'remember.'
jeonjaeng 5 bucks theres a power outage
compared to what that whole warehouse draws on a monthly basis, i dont think they'd really notice 3 computers without any peripherals.
one month later: LTT OFFICE FIRE! (NEXT WEEK ON VESSEL!!!!1!!1!)
Vessel? Don't think so, keep you fakts straid. :D
Eleven months later: LTT OFFICE FLOOD, THANKFULLY LIMITED TO BEHIND THE SETS
vessel is dead btw
I think that's the joke....
vessel was shut down awhile ago
Im still waiting the 1 year results
Look at the upload date
2 more months
Not long now, 1 more month.
Dankerino Nicherino can't wait for it
Next month bro
*WHERE ARE THE RESULTS???*
television and cheese Im upset
Is it on floatplane or are the three computers still behind the sets?
no results, no floatplane subsciption
It's not on floatplane Yet
Link in my comment (list the comments by time to find it).
Please give it a like and bring it up so other people can find it too
All the PC's were not switched on at the same time, the results could have been entirely different..
A couple seconds would not matter, considering theyre gonna be back their for a year.
wrong!
Dear donald Trump: You do your name justice
obvious joke?
They'll be turned off in the same order and difference in time then...
I hope Luke knows how useful his tests are! The heatpaste application style one has been particularly useful in non-pc related projects for me personally, so they are actually useful for non-PC uses as well. Totally bummed about having to wait a year to find out what happens though... :(
YEAH, IM EXCITED THOUGH. BUT I DO KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN.
woah. super weird seeing you here lol. love your videos by the way.
Hey fancy seeing you here, now make more videos. you never have enough to watch._.
When I saw that video I immediately thought about your wooden PC case and how you managed that vertical airflow. Your videos are awesome man. Keep it up!
Two of my favourite channels in one place! :)
D E A D L I N E !
?????????
Where is the result??? ლ(ಠ_ಠლ)
Link in my comment (list the comments by time to find it).
Please give it a like and bring it up so other people can find it too
ruclips.net/video/dLX54ounENY/видео.html
Part 2! Pop corn ready!
Where's the freaking desk pc video?!
check @LinusTech on twitter. It coming along, slowly.
It turned into a laptop pc.
it's painted and ready for final assembly.
tomorrow or the day after that i think
after the one year benchmark
You should livestream the pcs. literally watch dust settle.
A new definition of watching grass grow.
Yes! The online betting scene would skyrocket.
...I would watch the fuck outta this tho.
To the twitches! :P
if they like building pc's they need to make a supercomputer
Common, already one year :D
Link in my comment (list the comments by time to find it).
Please give it a like and bring it up so other people can find it too
ruclips.net/video/dLX54ounENY/видео.html
Well it's been one year!
I was really hoping they filmed this a year ago.
Me Too
well now they did... and we still dont have it :(
Trevor Sutter Not a year until December.
Trevor Sutter not quite yet man
just under 2 months
thats just sad... should have done it a year ago
Marcio Cattini yea. Now we have to wait. -_-
player555 :(((
guys this was recorded a year ago pt 2 is coming soon
Alipro123YT thank god!
you can find the results since ....1990
WELL THEN!!!??? We've passed the 1 year mark
I rely want to see if the pcs did survived running 1 year straight
Rodrick Explores I really wanna see if he forgot about it
Especially with all the set construction they've been doing...I always wonder "ok but what about those dusty systems?"
It annoys me that he never mentions it!
Its Roshy look on his twitter or Instagram
if they survived i need to show this to my dad
last time i was this early, linus still had ideas
Genuinely made me lol
Roasted.
HOW TO why I find this usefull
Can you imagine if the results are literally doesn't matter
Well, at least they already fucked it up. By having different amounts of fans on the cases (inny outy 5, inbetweeny 6) they rendered the test invalid, because now they aren't comparing different intake setups, but different fanamounts. Big fat heyho for a good year of unsusable testing...
You don't seem to understand the test, I look forward to your video (and first) on you tube explaining how ur test it better.
Rumplelumpa Snickerdoodles that's... Not the test friend. The test is about in vs our pressure. It shouldn't matter how many fans there are. What they should be measuring is positive vs negative pressure. On the gradient one will possible perform better than the other and then you can basically do more of that, so add more fans in a certain configuration to make it more in pressure or out.
See this guy get it
Yes. Remember the test on airflow/cable management affecting cooling?
Phase two one year from now, no difference in the amount of dust... let's try putting a stuffed Snoopy plush toy in and see how that affects it!
Anybody else here to see how long it's been?
Dan Broady yeah
9 months
10 months
2 months
1 YEAR
sooo i think they screwed us over :/
ONE YEAR BENCHMARK - PC Case Air Pressure Investigation Pt. 2 : we burned the set
4:05 there's just a monitor laying down screen downwards
TRIGGERED
BURN LINUS NOW
It's in-case Denis walks by.
whats wrong with a monitor laying screen downwards?
And when you press 4:05 on PC, Luke literally says thick butt.
TRIGGERED
it's fine the bezel will protect the screen
you think we forgot... HAHA we didn't, and can't wait to see what you have in store for us
Are we there yet?
are we there yet?
are we there yet..?
Luke's just going to forget about this, isn't he?
What if they forget to turn the pc back on if there is ever a blackout of some sort
Patrick Star they'd have to add however long it took to the test.
You can set it up in the BIOS to auto turn on once power is restored. But who knows if they did that or not.
doesn't LMG have a big ass UPS battery that would keep those powered on during a power outage?
There will always be sources of error with every experiment. This would probably just end up being one of them.
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HOLD UP! are we not going to measure the internal temperature or keep track of power consumption? Are you going to put them under load at all? It just seems like a lot of trouble for very little data.
This has nothing to do with temps or power, just the amount of dust the case fans bring in.
Might as well kill three birds with one stone though right? I mean it is a year long test.
Dust comes in when the fans blow right? If these computer are just sitting idling the fans wont be running as hard as they do under load right? And if the fans aren't running efficiently they will have to run more right? So an efficient set up, on average, will be cooler and use less power... and the fans will blow less... and have less dust.
Sean McDonnell case fans always spin at the same speed, regardless of load, unless you set up and configure a fan controller.
Sean McDonnell your theory could be true if the fans are PWM if there not then they will be running fullspeed 100% of the time if its hooked up on the highest voltage (12V)
edit: i mean if the fans are connected with a 4 pin fan connector(pwm)
IT IS TIME
I didn't forget about this. Hope they didn't either. lol
bcredeur97 oh they did
They didn't!
Wait! You didn't start this benchmark on January? SHIT
But now he can make arewinde just before 2018. :D
You could have only powered the fans. This would make much more sense.
*thank you gif*
Wouldnt that remove the variables of fan management that software takes care of? Isn't that unrealistic?
Son Goku the thing is the fans will run as low as possible because apparently, there isn't even an OS on these PC's so the fans spin at a constant speed
El Diablo they didn't fuckin throw them away
if they test bench those pc's now and a year from now they can also test the drop of performace on those pc's depending on the type of air flow they had. So it's a performance loss test, not only a dust-in-case test.
It's been a year and one day jeez the anticipation is killing me.
I totally thought this was done a year ago and you were showing us the results now XD damnit. guess i should have bought my computer next year.
I fell for the same click bait title!
They are getting worse.. :(
eh i'm not too mad about that. technically the video is exactly what the thumbnail said it'd be about. I just made incorrect assumptions.
WHERE THE HELL IS SCRAPYARD WARS
Avinash_ ITS up my ass
BananaMasterRace lmao edits his comment, fuckin nub.
DO NOT FORGET to track the temps at regular intervals throughout the whole process.
neoqueto they're too lazy for that..
Measuring temps under load at the end of the year will be enough IMO
Not without a baseline, it won't. We don't know what the temps are of the different setups in the beginning, so we won't know their delta afterwards.
They'll still perform better or worse relative to each other
You don't understand how testing works, do you? If you don't have a baseline, any tests done after the fact are less informative, because you won't know where you started. It could be that the balanced (leaning positive) airflow rig has the best cooling potential now out of the three, but could become the worst at the end of the year (not likely, but possible). By those findings, you would say balanced airflow rig is the worst, when really it was the best, but became the worst due to dust buildup or whatever. If you had the baseline, you would have that data, and would be able to make a determination on exactly how *much* thermals suffered (or didn't suffer) due to a year of dust buildup.
If they didn't take temperature measurements when they built the rigs, the only thing we'll be able to know in this test is the amount of dust buildup.
i wonder if those pcs are still up and running
January 2018 still no part 2...
don't worry a year will actually pass in just few days... 😎
Eirini M >_>
365 to be precise
365 1/4 to be precise
i dunno where you live but in our univers´s earth year passes in 20 days...
actually a little less than that, but im too lazy to do the math rn.
#LinusOutOfIdeasTips
IT'S BEEN A YEAR! WHERE'S PART 2?!
COME ON!!!! Been waiting all year for this.
I'm to early to see any fights about how stupid this is...
It's not stupid though.
FIGHT!
The energy bill will be huge lol
It is really stupid. Without the results the video is pointless and not even slightly fun to watch, they should have made it one video a year from now and just not said anything on their channel. Maybe mention the test on twitter, but this is a waste.
The biggest letdown of the year, no difference anywhere
Hmm. So that's all LMG can do?
I mean the concept behind this is awesome! But you do not really use the full potential in this. What about some remote monitoring and capturing of temperature data of the HDD / SSD, GPU, CPU, Mainboard so that after a year there could be some deeper analysis. Also what about running periodic stress tests on the hardware (GPU / CPU / RAM / HDD) for example, test each host 3 hours a day (one 3 hour period after another to avoid interference between the hosts)? This could then be a great follow up to your "hardware degradation over time" video by having baseline data (hardware "performance" / "score") from now and comparing it one year later. What about making your predictions today to be able to compare them with the results later on? What about giving us detailed information on the hardware as well as posting some baseline data (e.g. Temperatures, fan RPM)? Did you even set the fan curves in the BIOS / UEFI to the same settings? What fans are used (why not using LTT Noctua fans for highest static pressure to max things to their extremes)?
What you do now is mostly wasting energy for no real analysis. Basically, three "identical" PC's idling there for a year, probably even without an OS and without any "scientific" data except dust collection?
You could have made this even more awesome by providing a sweet website displaying all data mentioned above for the community so we could follow along. ...hmm. I see wasted potential in this project.
What do you think?
6 days!!!!! I have waited for sooo long! Almost a year in fact! 😅
Hey Luke! You should hook these to your network, and have them run Folding@home!
If you're gonna be using the power to keep them running, you might as well have them DO something. I'd love to see what these PCs can do when left to fold for a whole year!
they'll be space heaters! lel
Brad Gefroh Running PCs with high load for such an extended period of time could damage them, thus ruining the experiment
Jack McMeme They can set it to 50% of max, and that hardware is brand new, running it at a constant load for any reasonable length of time SHOULD be no problem.
Jack McMeme Not really if you leave it at stock and temps are below 75c 24/7. I've ran an overclocked 5820k 24/7 for a year straight doing BOINC distributed computing. With the voltage at 1.3 vs the stock 1 to 1.05v it degraded a bit but was fine.
I bet they will forget of those PC's and in 2018 someone on WAN show will remind them.
Tomás Jarsun they did
Ok. so this is the first video in a part 2 that will be released 1 year from now...
This is just dumb. I'll have forgotten everything about it by then.
Why not release this video a year from now and connect it with part 2?
Tony Atzen That's what I thought this video was, I am now disappointed
Yeah. Very disappointing.
Fuck it, I'll just forget about it. It will make sense again a YEAR!! from now. :/
me too. i was super-impressed with the planning/patience behind it. then the ad rolled XD
Wes Tech Games I'll hope so too.
fking cry babies jesus christ wtf is wrong with ya
You missed it by 10 days Luke. Dang it.
It's been a year boys, I need the conclusion!
Please make sure the bioses are set to power on after power failure. This way the computers turn back on if there is a blackout.
youtube is going to unsub me before i see part 2
TODAY!!!!!!!!
its been a year and 10 days....
Does he at least have them all doing folding at home?
Beastleviath Probably just idling so the fans are on. Having them run full tilt for a year would introduce a higher risk of component failure. Thus requiring a rebuild and would mess up the experiment.
Beastleviath agreed. you beat me to the comment
So where did the conclusion video go?
It is past a year where is part 2
Almost there. I keep remembing and coming back here to check if they haven't forgotten to do the end video yet.
Especially with all the changes and rebuilds they are doing to the office, I'm surprised no ones taken off a set wall and discvored these wondering why they are on.
Come on already
Who else is waiting for the finale in 2017?
We’re still here bro
Please put out the video, been waiting a year for this!
You should have started this video a year ago.
I think its cute that Luke named the cases after his children.
You're fucked in the head.... I like you :)
I just happened to check this today and it marks exactly one year XD gonna be looking for it
cant wait for the long awaited for pt 2
ONE YEAR BENCHMARK - On Carpet vs Not on Carpet
Nice! this it the stuff i subscribed for :)) Can't wait for end of 2017 xD
I know, right, I love watching videos that have no educational or entertainment value just because linus wants to split every video into many parts. I have a feeling this video will start to get good around the 525600 minute mark, though.
odobenus159 I instantly had to calculate how many days 525600 minutes equal to.
Florian Schmidt 365
Nicco Borgioli lol
Almost a year. I've been waiting so long. Can't wait
Luke's explanation right at the beginning alone warrants a thumbs up.
If you run this for a year you should really collect more data than just dust accumulation! You should benchmark them running prime95 and record the temperatures now, and then repeat that test in a year to see if any cooling efficiency was actually lost (instead of a year from now just saying 'well look, there's dust, it MUST be significantly worse'). I would probably go whole hog and outfit the cases with multiple temp sensors that report their values a few times a day to a server that collects the readings for the year.
isn't the point of Inney having all the intakes filtered???
PaxGrime | Viper Boosting but for the people watching this video 99% of us won't buy a case w/o intake filters... They've been preaching it for years
PaxGrime | Viper Boosting yah I don't really see the poing in having those spots set to intake.. seems pointless to me
+PaxGrime | Viper Boosting - That's not true. I've never seen a case with a filtered rear fan mount, but the top is filtered on a lot of cases, especially if you discount the real budget cases.
I added a filter to the rear fan mount when I used it as an intake. It was on an old Dell that didn't have any separate case fans, only a fan on the power supply as an exhaust.
Thanks guys! Great content. Keep THIS kind of work up!
Well it has been over a year now .. where are the benchmarks? Been waiting for this for a year!
Should've done this 1 year ago, but release Part 1 and 2 together today.
A YEAR HAS PASSED
Just saw the tweet today about the conclusion being finished. Came back to rewatch Part one to refresh my memory
Yes I was antsy back a year ago when I saw this and thought to myself oh my gosh I have to wait a year. We need our part 2!
According to the LTT Forums, part 2 will come out sometime in February
still waiting
It's been one year now
Ready for next part
So close, yet so far. I'm excited.
Where is our update!!!
Well it's been more than said amount of time... Is there going to be a conclusion or not?
Time's up! :) We need to see the follow-up!
I can't wait for this next video to drop
Looks like they will start filming it after the CES, that's what Luke said on WAN show.
I was really hoping this video was done 1 year in advance so we'd have the results now
Can't wait to see the results.
just 2 more months HYPE!!!
This better be happening :)
Kai Zander shocker the video isn’t coming out!
Boosted Lawnmower nooooooooooooooo! (Vader)
is part 2 on floatplane or something?
5 days! Here we go!
I remember watching this video a year ago and anticipating the outcome. GIVE IT TO ME!
im so excited!
If you guys have some kind of thermal imaging camera, or can get some, cell phone add on ones, and or a stand alone, and laser thermometers. Using them for updates on this, and seeing how intake and exhaust temps, internal region temps, possible warm spots can be demonstrated, and visualized if they happen. Also would have been good in the cable management vid. Looking at the temps on a chart, from specific cpu gpu mb and and any remote sensors, only shows a small part of the picture. How does dust build up where, affect heat dissipation, hot spots, or does it?
Hard drives and ssd's are often jammed in limited airflow, back of motherboard trays, cages that aren't in a direct intake fan path, down in the psu aesthetic shrouds. M.2 drives are now also being jammed in, in areas between gpu, or under one. The thing that stores any internal long term data, and generates heat of its own, is in a no air flow, or limited, blocked, placement very often. Not only is it bad on the drives, is it adding an internal case hot spot parts, possibly making the backs of motherboard trays warmer, warming the bottom of the motherboards, which also is a dead air zone usually. Jam a drive anywhere that has the least air moving, has long been a thing in pcs. Not that they need liquid cooled, or grand methods of hd cooling, but some attention, may benefit them and the other parts on thermals.
How warm do various hd, ssd, m.2 get, and mounting methods and locations, and how does that affect internal case temps and cooling in the grander scheme? Would the fan closest to a drive mount, or in front of it, be better to be an exhaust than intake, to get the heat from it out, instead of it warming the air going to heat sinks or rads? If they do get warm enough to notice, tests can be done, on different drive types and placements, and how best to cool them better, and lower their affect if there is one, on internal temps. If drives do add heat and raise internal temps, one system can run internal drives, and then run an external drive, and compare if, how and how much overall cooling is impacted or not.
Thermal cameras, and laser temp guns can be used and verify the graph plots of temp sensors, and see the sources and find better solutions, if warranted. They can also be used to see how visible observations of readings compare to graphed charts of temp readings.
A vid card mfg that forgot thermal pads on its vrms, should probably have a thermal camera as part of its QA / QC / testing, inspection procedure. Facedesk.
Air flow meter, anemometer, if you have one, or can get one, can show how much air is moving at each intake, and exhaust fan, if you want that data too, to baseline, compare, contrast changes. It can also be part of fan, case, and other testing, and evaluation, not just going by a graphed or sensor and relying on it 100% to tell the effectiveness or differences.
They do some of this stuff on making old houses more efficient, and testing hvac. A pc case is much like a house, but the goal is to get the heat out as much as possible, instead.
For all the great advances cases have made, since the 90s, often adopting modders ideas, like side windows, and fancy bells and whistles, just jamming hard drives wherever isn't ideal, long term. They have gotten more obscure where, and plastic drive mounts, seem they would be less effective at getting heat off the drives where air can help get it away from it. more insulating than anything.
Just some suggestions, keep up the great content.
It is time!! I've been waiting for 5 years
waiting for that video, hope it rolls out tomorrow :^)
Not using a UPS? I hope your power is stable during storms...
...If the power goes out, they can just turn the systems back on...
If they remember
well since they have lost power many times and screwed with videos we may see this video sometime in 2117 so a little over 101 years if part II doesnt show up in 6month ish
I don't think the power has to be on 24/7 for a year for the results to make sense.
As long as the PC's have the same general uptimes the difference won't be that noticeable unless there's power outages more than once every couple weeks.
Why not do monthly updates, a year is such a long time.
I would say even every 3 months would not be bad, I know I clean my PC monthly blowing it out with my shop compressor very carefully, but I know people who only clean their computers every 3 months to 6 months if that often.
El Generico thats what I was thinking. But just use a windowed case so you don't have to open it just look in. Maybe take a pic once a day for each? Do a time lapse after to see the buildup.
Because nobody gives a shit.
I only change my filters every year and no cleaning. I have all the fans blowing inside.
I felt like it had been a long time since this video came out. I hope the followup is posted soon.
You guys better not forget about this video!