Malcolm was cut off so many times, and for him to maintain composure while standing firm on his points made me realize the pressure that was on him. He’s not just representing himself he was representing the organization and the religion he practiced as well as his race.
Malcolm was making some naive arguments at this point in his life still. His heart was in the right place, but he was totally blind to the fact that the American Black Muslim idea of building a sovereign nation in and-or out of the United States was a total fantasy. And that was just one the many "charlatanical" concept the muslims were feeding it constituency, and Malcolm was too angry at Whites to see it. Malcolm was a dreamer. Baldwin was a realest.
It’s funny how the White Man continues to interrupt Malcolm X; even though he asked him a question. Simply because he want give him the answer he wants.
Seems to me his goal was to get Malcolm X to say something that would divide civil rights into two opposed camps; to pit them against each other. It just amazed me how Malcolm X can keep his cool and his focus in the face of this bs.
The patronizing tone of the manufactured white race and those who subscribe to it is no less patronizing and disgusting today. It requires great patience for us who are blessed to be non-white to endure the barbarism of white people who are so evil and insecure to have committed and continue to commit endless crimes against humanity while simultaneously dragging their troglodyte asses around preaching to others about what others should do. The audacity of such an evil people.
@@chris424cm You're right, of course, but my point is that we never get used to disrespect, regardless of how familiar it might be. Such educated individuals having to continuously deal with that is not natural bro. It is so stressful that we have to react at some point. To be honest, from today's perspective, I do not know if I would have had that sort of patience.
Every single phrase that comes from Malcolm X's mouth is always quite enlightening and educational. Even the demons in this video couldn't squash his God-given wisdom, even though they tried, each time that what was being shared was crucial to our knowledge. Thank you, Malcolm, for going to battle, here, for us.
If Malcolm were truly wise hed recognize how Islam and Christianity are both used as tools to subjugate the masses, making people more subservient to the system in which they live!!!
This Shit crazy it’s 2024 and we’re still asking for the same thing they was asking for in 1961 black ppl it’s time for us to rise and do for our own 🎯💯
@@YaYa_1435 get out of here with what ?? The truth . You mad your own people give you away to the white man lol. You need to go back to Africa and take it up with them instead of begging the white man so much lol. You weren’t the Africans wearing gold, youre bloodline was born to be servants.
@@gordongambilljr What solutions did Baldwin offer to the 'race problem?' He sound like a philosoper. Funny how you call Malcom a dreamer when 60 years later all the things he predicted align perfectly. Even had a whole black president and yet blacks are still begging and mourning. Perhaps his skepticism was justified.
I love how Mr Baldwin had evolved to the point where he could unequivocally say that he didn't need anyone to tell him he was a man! Malcolm was very eloquent even though he was clearly being thwarted in every possible way! What a visionary loss to mankind!
@@gordongambilljr Divide ➗ and Conquer, They both are intelligent and Malcolm X was the more influencing and the real leader of the two ,but Baldwin is very smart and mentally sharp. But he was not of the soldiers mind set that's needed outside of speaking,a man must be will to physically and mentally discipline his self and others. 😊
Yeah I realize listening to him in these years of the 60’s that he was way ahead of his time. He was fighting the issues that, here, these people couldn’t see yet but people in the 80’s and 90’s dealt with.
Yes indeed! He was the one in this debate that was clear, articulated points, and with profound clarity. Man, he is good! Look up other debates he's involved in. Whew!
@@DreDaDon16 Not sure that I understand. At any rate, Baldwin and Malik El Shabaz stood on business when it came to fighting for equity and justice for African Americans. Study their speeches.
@@DreDaDon16♥️🖤💚 James Baldwin and Bayard Rustin Were Gay....But They Were The Most Intellectual Organizers And Spokes Persons Of The Civil Rights Movement....Do Some Research In Black People History....👁️👁️
♥️🖤💚Black Family....We Have To Teach Black History 24/7/365 To Our Young People.... To Give Them A Sense Of Black Respect and Black Pride..... And To Never Stop Fighting For Black Justice and Black Equality In Our Country America....👁️👁️
Hey, you "red, black and green," folks, you only speak for you "pan-africanists," No matter how many videos you put up on RUclips, nobody is listening anymore. Either go back to Africa or get a life. You do not speak for Americans!
The person who tried to argue that since the Black American was the most educated of all the Black diaspora that they should be good boys and girls and essentially thank whites for that struggle.
Because we live in a socially white constructed society. Hence, white people are comfortable setting the rules. And, many black people can't realize that they are socially white brainwashed. They think thinking by themselves. The reason why they think Malcolm X is a fool. But actually, sociologically, he is the one who better understand society than those so called schoolars.
@@IloveswedesWas US slavery as brutal as Haiti ? Why didn’t American Blk people fight back like Haitians ? Only 1 , relatively big slave rebellion of NAT TURNER and that too of just 200 slaves . 1 big Rebellion was of John Brown and he was a YT man .
And the notion that black Americans were the most educated non whites in the world is a false narrative, the YT man asked if there was any universities in Africa south of Egypt, and there were many one that was not in direct control of colonizers was that of the university of Addis Ababa in Ethiopia. But the sense to think that universities are the only path to education is also another false statement, many Ethiopians were educated by churches pre WW2
Malcolm X is answering the old white man questions deductively, yet the old white guy lacks deductive reasoning, Malcolm is showing him the root cause of a false sense of integration and why we reject a hypocritical integration (without privileges).
Interesting conversation. Baldwin and Malcolm had different presentations of similar issues. They both knew that, first, they were black men in a country that didn't want them and, STILL, doesn't. Personally, I feel that the facilitators did their best to pit Baldwin and Malcolm against each other. Mr. Lincoln the same. I agreed with parts of each, regarding their ideas, referring to Malcolm, Baldwin, and Lincoln. This conversation unfortunately goes on to this day.....
It's not "what" so much as "who" has not changed. Things have changed because of judicial decisions and legislation that was "forced" upon white people. Unfortunately since white people haven't changed that much, the imagined "progress" white America thinks exists doesn't. But far too many of us believe it as well.
This was a great conversation,in 1961some of the same topics in 2024 still being discussed, Everyone on the panel had a point or biases about the government, race, and economy. The white guy said blacks unite it would be a catastrophe, but they never will.. Wow!
So to summerize: *Moderator asks Malcolm a question* *Malcolm begins to answer by providing full context* *Moderator cuts off Malcolm* *Malcolm begins to answer the question directly* *Moderator cuts Malcolm off again and then turns the question to the other White guy* *Other White guy makes incorrect, inflammatory statement about the Black Muslims and Black Americans* *Malcolm jumps in to call BS and begins to explain why it's BS* *Moderator cuts Malcolm off, then turns the question over to Baldwin* *Baldwin supports Malcolm's overall point and begins to expand on it* *Moderator cuts off Baldwin and turns back to the other White guy* *Malcolm chuckles in the background because he knows a con job when he sees one*
That's the point not to let him clarify any point because he can show why WE need to get away from the HOPE which White folks are trying to sell the undecided negro and the NAACP is a spy organization for white folks to get the militant Black people out of the Way because they funded to control the agenda of black people. Where are the Black leadership now and what are they saying that Black people to do. Where's Jesse, where's Al Sharpton, and what are they saying? They have and ALWAYS followed the script that white folks wrote for them,and are still writing but these young people are not going for the BS
Some of us do care. That's why I'm listening to this interview now: for inspiration and understanding. I'm also an educator and plan to respectfully engage my middle school students with these thought leaders’ ideas 🤫
James Baldwin most ariculate, brillant mind, writer we have ever produced. He synergistically came on many angles to come to Malcolms defense: " It is important if the Muslims hate, you,.Most Black people dont trust white people and most Black people hate you.".The reason why Min.Malcolm did not answer certain questions directly was because he as man said and the Hon..Elijah Muhammad guided the NOI and not be charged with Treason or sedition.Most brillant man in our history: the Most Hon.Elijahuhammad!! W5X
humans are tribal to the point of destruction. they love to possess thing and others as richness is power and a sensation of divine importance. alwats was and always will be a human defect.
This was a very interesting interview . We were able to understand more about the Black Muslim movement in the early 1960’s . I understood this as a discussion about the nature of race relations in the U.S. at the time in history AND how various Black American leaders viewed HOW to gain a better economic foothold and more self determination political power in the U.S. for all Black Americans I do believe it to be interesting for the NOI to position itself against the white society of the United States and for the NOI to campaign for the creation of an independent African-American nation-state, calling for African Americans to be economically self-sufficient and separatist. Unfortunately , there was a lot of back and forth parsing words and the group of interviewees had a hard time as a group agreeing to what the other person was saying All of that said , this is 60 years ago . I’m not Black , but I can easily see and recognize that the average non White citizen in the U.S. has a more difficult time for achieving his or his share of the “American Dream “ economically and politically . So as an American , I’m disappointed to know this despite efforts by many good people and three generations . I’m looking forward to REAL progress here . Malcolm X wasn’t willing wait 1000 years or 100 years . We are at 60 years .
“Why has the white man done so much to help the Negro?” “Change comes slow or not at all” -Lauren Hill. I thought this question based on the context of this conversation was ignorant at best. I’m sure Malcolm and James had to hold themselves together not snap over that question. Especially living as a black person during that era. Baldwin literally moved to another country because it was so bad as black man here during those times. I’m aware of Mr. Baldwins sexuality but people didn’t see him as gay first, they saw him as black.
👍🏾 who cares about what he loved in the 1930s, 40s or 50s in this interview he was fighting for Us... He was a great communicator and always told it like it was... We have No leaders today
8:00 Damn. This is prescient as heck on the part of Jimmy. Its coming true today. "If you want to know who rules over you, then take note of who it has become illegal to openly slander."
Who are the others on the panel in this debate? The moderator is biased in his questions meaning that he's looking for answers to his commentary rhetoric that is being posed as questions.
I looked up the panelists and all four of them were Black men. Some comments have falsely stated that a panelist was “white”. That’s incorrect. George Schuyler was a Black Harvard graduate and he was probably Christian and I’m guessing C. Eric Lincoln was Christian also and he wrote a book about the Black Muslims. I bring that up because of the topic and the dissenting opinions highlighting the Black Muslims. I’m 5 minutes in and the antagonism and rudeness towards Brother Malcolm is astonishing. This has been a topic none of us have been able to settle with a clear view of identity and how we use our agency in this racist and economically imbalanced society. Looking at this conversation from this current era, the socioeconomic climate this panel is debating is still relevant. Also, I don’t like the gaslighting being displayed. The dissenting opinions are giving “respectability” is the best method for the Black community to get ahead in this country. Schuyler was down-right rude! Along with the moderator.
So did I! I had to see WHO this rude, antagonistic man asking the questions was! You are correct; everyone on the panel was black. I figured Schuyler was a conservative and I was right! Thar explains his attitude towards Malcolm. This is an excerpt from an article on him. "In the early 1950s during the investigations led by Senator Joseph McCarthy, Schuyler’s political views shifted from moderate to extreme conservatism. By the 1960s Schuyler criticized and condemned social activists such as W.E.B. DuBois, Malcolm X, and even Martin Luther King Jr. in journals such as the arch-conservative John Birch Society’s American Opinion. Schuyler’s conservative opinions eventually cost him his job at The Pittsburgh Courier, as many readers threatened to cancel their subscriptions in protest to his columns. Schuyler published his autobiography, Black and Conservative in 1966, but he never again attained the popularity he had in the 1920s or 1930s."
This got me so pissed! Condescending, minimizing, and forcing an untrue narrative about group in which he is not a member! Malcolm and James Baldwin are some calm brothers because the level of disrespect is crazy!
They really didn't want Malcolm X to speak because they feared he would have hundreds of more followers at the end of the conversation. A feared & intelligent man is a force to be respected and Malcolm X was feared and intelligent too and that's how come they feared him as a speaker and leader. 🤔
Malcolm X’s name is a stroke of genius I think, “X” marking a deprivation (black people being uprooted from their past and their identity erased), but crucially, he didn’t adopt an african name or muslim name like others. The “X” is more radical, because it symbolizes the unique opportunity of blacks in america to create something entirely new, the independent nation he was talking about. It’s a similar situation in post-colonial countries, “decolonization” isn’t reverting back to how things were before, but creating something entirely new and unique from your situation…
I can't stand to see & hear docile & agreeable black men. Malcolm was the realest one here. You don't have to agree with your brother, just don't let THEM see it!!!! This Yt man didn't deserve to be breathe the same air as them.
When Malcolm was in the Nation, he wasn't as great an orator. Once he was able to speak his own mind through what he learned, that's the Malcolm I pay attention to.
Disagree. I think he's one of the greatest orators this nation has ever had. He's at the top of the food chain in that regard, Mr. Baldwin slightly below him.
Malcolm X obtained a law degree whilst in jail. He beat white Ivy league college debaters as a self made man. He was a genius and a true revolutionary. 👍
Interviews such as this during that time period were very consistent. A fact finding mission. A public interrogation. As well as trying to get the interviewee to say or agree to exactly what the interviewers agenda is. The problem is that the people who are the most polarizing are way too smart to follow the interviewers' script. Not everything is as simple as "yes or no." And it frustrates to opposition when intellectuals don't answer questions in simple terms.
So sad that both of them could not live to see Obama in office. I would’ve loved to hear their response. Both brilliant men with great insight and passion!!
Malcolm X was a religious extremist, a very noble and admirable one but an extremist nonetheless. Baldwin was a very thoughtful, heartful and nuanced commentator. Extremism always gets more attention than nuance because it can be more easily understood.
it should be noted that Malcolm X's views on race and the relationship between whites and blacks altered significantly from the time of this interview (particularly following his pilgrimage to Mecca)
What a god damn expert X was at public speaking. If you asked me out of all the people in history id least like to debate... its him. And maybe Cicero.
Kamala Harris was named after Kamala in Siddhartha. mala means bad in Spanish, acajudi100 RUclips in my 82nd year. Hola from Queretaro. RIP STUDS AND JAMES. THANK you.
kamala is a hindi name. this comment is ridiculous. thats like saying "barack obama... BAR... bars are where people drink alcohol." what did you prove?
A black man / women is not decolonized until he leaves this reliogions its just like african countries taking out the France man but welcoming the chines and Americans you are not free you just changed your master
Malcolm never calls himself the number 2 that was a instigator and he caught it and the other guy says something about warfare Malcolm said nothing about fighting anyone terrible behavior Malcolm and James Baldwin was too powerful for those people whom they were talking too wonderful history two of the greats so proud of them
New book 2023. Teaching white supremacy by Donald Yacovan. They stopped teaching white supremacy in public schools 1776-1965 due to Martin Luther king and Malcomb x.
While I greatly enjoy hearing Malcolm and James having a good debate, I cannot say I miss this style of journalism, where the interviewer or moderator cuts off, and tries to control the narrative instead of allowing the debate to happen naturally. Each person here was constantly cut off, interrupted and pushed towards other topics.
The others are misconstruing, interrupting, covertly saying that Malcolm x is drawing out his 'answers' .....tough panel / host to have an intelligent respectful conversation/ debate.... Mx and Baldwin held it down in spite of the blatant Bs !
Wow, the majority of the time, these men are trying to condemn Malcolm but not listen to anything he had to say or was saying. They knew very little but had a bunch of false ideas. The only person who didn't try to bash Malcom was Mr. Baldwin. Event thoug he had his difference. I think this whole argument was not about race relations. It was about the Islamic movement and if it was a violent movement?
After all that, they still didnt want to hear or accept the anwsers Malcolm or Balwin gave ... But whoever the House Servants were showed themselves as wemps
hearing how clearly and explicitly the truth is laid out, and how it is able to be seemingly disregarded simply because the "moderator" is part of the power structure, it's so worrying and disheartening. but it shows the issue is not one of simply spreading knowledge/information, it is about fighting a power that has a vested interest in the problem perpetuating.
This is as about as bad faith argument as it gets. These disingenuous cowards and hate mongers didn’t want to table a respectful, insightful conversation. They wanted to paint the NOI as a hate group and wouldn’t allow Brothers Malcolm or Baldwin to give context and clarity to anything that went against their agenda. I applaud their patience but I wouldn’t have made it halfway through this discussion without excusing myself.
It doesn't matter if someone hates another. What matters is if and how, more importantly, that hatred can be transformed through tangible, applied, non-theoretical means within society. That has only happened one way in western society.
Baldwin v Buckley got me here, I wish he were still alive. He’d have been the first black president. Malcom idk ugh about but his intro seems a bit emo 🖤 so I’m hoping he gets over himself and just proceeds to impress. ☪️ worships the same god as the Christians so while I understand back in to this day many don’t understand this but yeah, your citizens my boy, just calm down. 😅he was fueled by anger it seems. Whether justified or not it’s never gunna help. For instance chapter four verse 29 of the Koran is something the Jihadist need reread.
He's right that's why most "black" businesses struggle look at the farmers and how hard it is to get grants ect..and that's why some have to raise prices another factor is other folks who don't want to trade or do business with" black" folks..they dont want folks to succeed h Look at redlining how its harder to get loans etc. And they love using dei for everything it's called including people of all backgrounds if you have the credentials but they don't see that or want to see and don't want it because just like then they want to be the only ones in control and at the same time destroy everything
Malcolm was cut off so many times, and for him to maintain composure while standing firm on his points made me realize the pressure that was on him. He’s not just representing himself he was representing the organization and the religion he practiced as well as his race.
That was annoying me 😂
James Baldwin and Malcolm x were in the same room as each other? No way my two favorite people 😂
Malcolm was making some naive arguments at this point in his life still. His heart was in the right place, but he was totally blind to the fact that the American Black Muslim idea of building a sovereign nation in and-or out of the United States was a total fantasy. And that was just one the many "charlatanical" concept the muslims were feeding it constituency, and Malcolm was too angry at Whites to see it. Malcolm was a dreamer. Baldwin was a realest.
I was thinking the same thing!!!
Yep and they admired one another.
Yeah, they had a few disagreements, but for the most part they were on the same team.
It’s funny how the White Man continues to interrupt Malcolm X; even though he asked him a question. Simply because he want give him the answer he wants.
Seems to me his goal was to get Malcolm X to say something that would divide civil rights into two opposed camps; to pit them against each other. It just amazed me how Malcolm X can keep his cool and his focus in the face of this bs.
C'était des interrogatoire plus que pour éducation du peuple 💚🌴☀️🐪🌍
No change there, then.
@@markandresen1The same in 2024!
They've had that tradition for decades here.
He quotes Malcolm saying that black people don't trust any white person, and then he demonstrates WHY.
I know that’s right.
2 way street, with plenty of evidence in both lanes...
@@mostlyunimportant3846 Oh, really? What have Black people done to negatively impact your quality life over a period of _centuries?_
@@mostlyunimportant3846lol wayyyyyy more on 5he white side don’t even try lol
@@mostlyunimportant3846it smells like mayonnaise in here all of a suddenly
What patience both Baldwin and Malcom must have had with this patronizing tone.
For REAL!! I know they looked at each other after that one guy spoke . And the OTHER black dude sounding like a House Negr0! Ish was CRAZY
The patronizing tone of the manufactured white race and those who subscribe to it is no less patronizing and disgusting today. It requires great patience for us who are blessed to be non-white to endure the barbarism of white people who are so evil and insecure to have committed and continue to commit endless crimes against humanity while simultaneously dragging their troglodyte asses around preaching to others about what others should do. The audacity of such an evil people.
It's not like they were unfamiliar with their tone, so why would it be surprising?
@@chris424cm You're right, of course, but my point is that we never get used to disrespect, regardless of how familiar it might be. Such educated individuals having to continuously deal with that is not natural bro. It is so stressful that we have to react at some point. To be honest, from today's perspective, I do not know if I would have had that sort of patience.
Every single phrase that comes from Malcolm X's mouth is always quite enlightening and educational. Even the demons in this video couldn't squash his God-given wisdom, even though they tried, each time that what was being shared was crucial to our knowledge. Thank you, Malcolm, for going to battle, here, for us.
If Malcolm were truly wise hed recognize how Islam and Christianity are both used as tools to subjugate the masses, making people more subservient to the system in which they live!!!
This Shit crazy it’s 2024 and we’re still asking for the same thing they was asking for in 1961 black ppl it’s time for us to rise and do for our own 🎯💯
Shows you we haven't made progress under false promises
@@karriemburton9024facts 😢
We gotta take care of the Latinos first. This was there land. But no one’s talks about that
@@durtylyfeeso7889 get out of here with that lol
@@YaYa_1435 get out of here with what ?? The truth . You mad your own people give you away to the white man lol. You need to go back to Africa and take it up with them instead of begging the white man so much lol. You weren’t the Africans wearing gold, youre bloodline was born to be servants.
I really appreciate how Malcolm kept his cool demeanor as the host tried to rile Malcolm's feelings.
When you know yourself and you are self assured with confidence!
You can handle anything society throws at you..
I care
Malcolm x intelligence is unmatched
Well said
Two of the most brilliant mind's even. Malcolm x. And James Baldwin. 💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿
Nah. Idealistically, Malcolm couldn't wash James Baldwin's socks for real. Malcom was a dreamer. Baldwin was a realest.
@@gordongambilljr What solutions did Baldwin offer to the 'race problem?' He sound like a philosoper.
Funny how you call Malcom a dreamer when 60 years later all the things he predicted align perfectly. Even had a whole black president and yet blacks are still begging and mourning. Perhaps his skepticism was justified.
You got it backwards, Baldwin was the dreamer and integrationist. Malcolm X, was a realist with a plan.
I love how Mr Baldwin had evolved to the point where he could unequivocally say that he didn't need anyone to tell him he was a man!
Malcolm was very eloquent even though he was clearly being
thwarted in every possible way! What a visionary loss to mankind!
@@gordongambilljr
Divide ➗ and Conquer,
They both are intelligent and Malcolm X
was the more influencing and the real leader of the two ,but Baldwin is very smart and mentally sharp.
But he was not of the soldiers mind set that's needed outside of speaking,a man must be will to physically and mentally discipline his self and others. 😊
James Baldwin was such an insightful and brilliant man. We need more like him, though he was unique.
Yeah I realize listening to him in these years of the 60’s that he was way ahead of his time. He was fighting the issues that, here, these people couldn’t see yet but people in the 80’s and 90’s dealt with.
Unique can’t be code for gay… unique means unique and gay means gay!
James Baldwin orates beautifully.
Yes indeed! He was the one in this debate that was clear, articulated points, and with profound clarity. Man, he is good! Look up other debates he's involved in. Whew!
Well he was a battyboy they do everything in cursive 😂😂😂
@@DreDaDon16 Not sure that I understand. At any rate, Baldwin and Malik El Shabaz stood on business when it came to fighting for equity and justice for African Americans. Study their speeches.
@@sherrittahughesphdlpcHis name at that time was MALCOLM X.
@@DreDaDon16♥️🖤💚 James Baldwin and Bayard Rustin Were Gay....But They Were The Most Intellectual Organizers And Spokes Persons Of The Civil Rights Movement....Do Some Research In Black People History....👁️👁️
♥️🖤💚Black Family....We Have To Teach Black History 24/7/365 To Our Young People.... To Give Them A Sense Of Black Respect and Black Pride..... And To Never Stop Fighting For Black Justice and Black Equality In Our Country America....👁️👁️
Hey, you "red, black and green," folks, you only speak for you "pan-africanists," No matter how many videos you put up on RUclips, nobody is listening anymore. Either go back to Africa or get a life. You do not speak for Americans!
Be an individual instead of a variable of a group, and you'll be heading in the right direction
The person who tried to argue that since the Black American was the most educated of all the Black diaspora that they should be good boys and girls and essentially thank whites for that struggle.
Forgetting that they caused our demise for 250 years of slavery. They always forget that part.
Because we live in a socially white constructed society. Hence, white people are comfortable setting the rules. And, many black people can't realize that they are socially white brainwashed. They think thinking by themselves. The reason why they think Malcolm X is a fool. But actually, sociologically, he is the one who better understand society than those so called schoolars.
@@IloveswedesWas US slavery as brutal as Haiti ?
Why didn’t American Blk people fight back like Haitians ?
Only 1 , relatively big slave rebellion of NAT TURNER and that too of just 200 slaves .
1 big Rebellion was of John Brown and he was a YT man .
@@bobfaam5215do your research before asking RUclips comment sections to educate you on your lack of knowledge.
And the notion that black Americans were the most educated non whites in the world is a false narrative, the YT man asked if there was any universities in Africa south of Egypt, and there were many one that was not in direct control of colonizers was that of the university of Addis Ababa in Ethiopia. But the sense to think that universities are the only path to education is also another false statement, many Ethiopians were educated by churches pre WW2
Malcolm X is answering the old white man questions deductively, yet the old white guy lacks deductive reasoning, Malcolm is showing him the root cause of a false sense of integration and why we reject a hypocritical integration (without privileges).
lacks deductive reasoning and is moving in bad faith too
@@Couriousartist3855 Except the " old white man" is actually an old black man.
hahahahahaha...the blackboy doesnt even know what hes talking about...the white man is dumbing down even hosting this
And the struggle continues even 60 years after this conversation!!
The interviewer seems to think black people in America should be grateful!!!
Incredible notion!
It's something that current politicians and pundits try to espouse that same rhetoric. Dr. Sowell and Candice Owens try to say the same thing.
So Democrats are following Malcolm X ideology ?
@@Blackronin357 So Democrats are following Malcolm X ideology ?
they should whitey
Interesting conversation. Baldwin and Malcolm had different presentations of similar issues. They both knew that, first, they were black men in a country that didn't want them and, STILL, doesn't. Personally, I feel that the facilitators did their best to pit Baldwin and Malcolm against each other. Mr. Lincoln the same. I agreed with parts of each, regarding their ideas, referring to Malcolm, Baldwin, and Lincoln. This conversation unfortunately goes on to this day.....
This is horrible. Poor Malcolm and James. It’s hard to understand how these guys continually kept their cool with such mean spirited stupid people
The moderator has a clear intent to stoke a glib idea of Malcolm’s points
I was thinking the same thing listening to this. They weren’t giving them the answers they wanted to hear.
They were able to keep their cool because they weren't going the satisfaction of being riled by a white man.
I agree with you 💯 👍🏽 😁 Malcom X ✊🏽
James makes some strong points ✊🏽
It’s crazy to hear this cause nothing has honestly changed since 2024
It's not "what" so much as "who" has not changed. Things have changed because of judicial decisions and legislation that was "forced" upon white people. Unfortunately since white people haven't changed that much, the imagined "progress" white America thinks exists doesn't. But far too many of us believe it as well.
Malcolm is the most loving ❤️ man
This was a great conversation,in 1961some of the same topics in 2024 still being discussed, Everyone on the panel had a point or biases about the government, race, and economy. The white guy said blacks unite it would be a catastrophe, but they never will.. Wow!
So to summerize:
*Moderator asks Malcolm a question*
*Malcolm begins to answer by providing full context*
*Moderator cuts off Malcolm*
*Malcolm begins to answer the question directly*
*Moderator cuts Malcolm off again and then turns the question to the other White guy*
*Other White guy makes incorrect, inflammatory statement about the Black Muslims and Black Americans*
*Malcolm jumps in to call BS and begins to explain why it's BS*
*Moderator cuts Malcolm off, then turns the question over to Baldwin*
*Baldwin supports Malcolm's overall point and begins to expand on it*
*Moderator cuts off Baldwin and turns back to the other White guy*
*Malcolm chuckles in the background because he knows a con job when he sees one*
JOB 15:5 🤫
That’s literally every Malcom interview/debate I thought I was the only one who noticed that
@@obadiahpeoples1834you know the bigoted moderator is going to deflect, divert and try to divide
That's the point not to let him clarify any point because he can show why WE need to get away from the HOPE which White folks are trying to sell the undecided negro and the NAACP is a spy organization for white folks to get the militant Black people out of the Way because they funded to control the agenda of black people. Where are the Black leadership now and what are they saying that Black people to do. Where's Jesse, where's Al Sharpton, and what are they saying? They have and ALWAYS followed the script that white folks wrote for them,and are still writing but these young people are not going for the BS
I see how Huey and Bobby evolved, and utilized the knowledge and wisdom of the philosophies.
Dont forget Fred
The greatest fear of an oppressor is retribution
Facts, you got the whole point and the absolute truth.
I love the interviewers try to twist words and etc. They trying to make Malcolm and Baldwin look like they don't know what they talking about
Very Deep discussion
Brother X points the direction
Mr Baldwin shows us the way.
Wonderful description
beautiful way to put it
Poor brother Malcolm gave his life for people who don't care.
Stop putting everyone in one box AND ignoring what has transpired since his passing. You’re showing your lower level intelligence.
Please stop being easily fooled by these troglodyte yt supremacist trolls. Notice op’s name. SMH.
Some of us do care. That's why I'm listening to this interview now: for inspiration and understanding. I'm also an educator and plan to respectfully engage my middle school students with these thought leaders’ ideas 🤫
@@MrAirnike8same type of distraction tactic demonstrated in this audio. To some degree by both inflammatory parties.
“People”?
No one has the answer. But one must concede that the path forward must be paved together.
James Balwin, Malcom X in the same room!!! What they know about that!!
James Baldwin most ariculate, brillant mind, writer we have ever produced. He synergistically came on many angles to come to Malcolms defense: " It is important if the Muslims hate, you,.Most Black people dont trust white people and most Black people hate you.".The reason why Min.Malcolm did not answer certain questions directly was because he as man said and the Hon..Elijah Muhammad guided the NOI and not be charged with Treason or sedition.Most brillant man in our history: the Most Hon.Elijahuhammad!!
W5X
Typo, " it is not important if the Muslims hate you."
I see to extremes in the black movement Martin on one side and Malcom on the other side James B sat in the middle all 3 were great Men.
Able to send a someone to the moon but can’t share the pie that both have worked for
humans are tribal to the point of destruction. they love to possess thing and others as richness is power and a sensation of divine importance. alwats was and always will be a human defect.
Moon landing was fake
Able to do both and so much more if not for selfishness and fear.
@@misterman2830 16:23 16:36
Do you really think men went to the moon?
This was a very interesting interview .
We were able to understand more about the Black Muslim movement in the early 1960’s .
I understood this as a discussion about the nature of race relations in the U.S. at the time in history AND how various Black American leaders viewed HOW to gain a better economic foothold and more self determination political power in the U.S. for all Black Americans
I do believe it to be interesting for the NOI to position itself against the white society of the United States and for the NOI to campaign for the creation of an independent African-American nation-state, calling for African Americans to be economically self-sufficient and separatist.
Unfortunately , there was a lot of back and forth parsing words and the group of interviewees had a hard time as a group agreeing to what the other person was saying
All of that said , this is 60 years ago . I’m not Black , but I can easily see and recognize that the average non White citizen in the U.S. has a more difficult time for achieving his or his share of the “American Dream “ economically and politically . So as an American , I’m disappointed to know this despite efforts by many good people and three generations .
I’m looking forward to REAL progress here . Malcolm X wasn’t willing wait 1000 years or 100 years . We are at 60 years .
Two great brothers.
“Why has the white man done so much to help the Negro?” “Change comes slow or not at all” -Lauren Hill. I thought this question based on the context of this conversation was ignorant at best. I’m sure Malcolm and James had to hold themselves together not snap over that question. Especially living as a black person during that era. Baldwin literally moved to another country because it was so bad as black man here during those times. I’m aware of Mr. Baldwins sexuality but people didn’t see him as gay first, they saw him as black.
👍🏾 who cares about what he loved in the 1930s, 40s or 50s in this interview he was fighting for Us... He was a great communicator and always told it like it was... We have No leaders today
During that part I literally screamed "WTF", I think my neighbours heard me.
Correct we are Black first, foremost and always; before any other degree of intersectionality.
8:00 Damn. This is prescient as heck on the part of Jimmy. Its coming true today. "If you want to know who rules over you, then take note of who it has become illegal to openly slander."
That's a quote from Voltaire. Quite a popular one.
"If you want to know who rules you, it's those you cannot criticize..."
@@sianefer-ptah1258That is not a quote from Voltaire. That is a false atttribution
Who are the others on the panel in this debate? The moderator is biased in his questions meaning that he's looking for answers to his commentary rhetoric that is being posed as questions.
I looked up the panelists and all four of them were Black men. Some comments have falsely stated that a panelist was “white”. That’s incorrect. George Schuyler was a Black Harvard graduate and he was probably Christian and I’m guessing C. Eric Lincoln was Christian also and he wrote a book about the Black Muslims. I bring that up because of the topic and the dissenting opinions highlighting the Black Muslims. I’m 5 minutes in and the antagonism and rudeness towards Brother Malcolm is astonishing. This has been a topic none of us have been able to settle with a clear view of identity and how we use our agency in this racist and economically imbalanced society. Looking at this conversation from this current era, the socioeconomic climate this panel is debating is still relevant. Also, I don’t like the gaslighting being displayed. The dissenting opinions are giving “respectability” is the best method for the Black community to get ahead in this country. Schuyler was down-right rude! Along with the moderator.
So did I! I had to see WHO this rude, antagonistic man asking the questions was! You are correct; everyone on the panel was black. I figured Schuyler was a conservative and I was right! Thar explains his attitude towards Malcolm. This is an excerpt from an article on him. "In the early 1950s during the investigations led by Senator Joseph McCarthy, Schuyler’s political views shifted from moderate to extreme conservatism. By the 1960s Schuyler criticized and condemned social activists such as W.E.B. DuBois, Malcolm X, and even Martin Luther King Jr. in journals such as the arch-conservative John Birch Society’s American Opinion.
Schuyler’s conservative opinions eventually cost him his job at The Pittsburgh Courier, as many readers threatened to cancel their subscriptions in protest to his columns. Schuyler published his autobiography, Black and Conservative in 1966, but he never again attained the popularity he had in the 1920s or 1930s."
Legendary Late Great Black Revolutionary Freedom Fighter THE HONORABLE BROTHER MINISTER MALCOLM X! Student Of THE MOST HONORABLE ELIJAH MUHAMMAD 👊!
Bro I'm from South Africa 🇿🇦, i can't believe Mr.Malcolm X and Mr. J.Baldwin had a discussion or even a debate 😪
This got me so pissed! Condescending, minimizing, and forcing an untrue narrative about group in which he is not a member! Malcolm and James Baldwin are some calm brothers because the level of disrespect is crazy!
the lack of respect u d continued interruptions is frustrating to listen
😢 Black people can use whatever they want.We just can't own any thing of significant value to help us rise up
They really didn't want Malcolm X to speak because they feared he would have hundreds of more followers at the end of the conversation.
A feared & intelligent man is a force to be respected and Malcolm X was feared and intelligent too and that's how come they feared him as a speaker and leader. 🤔
They HATE conceding to Malcolm lol 😂😂😂😂😂
Malcolm X’s name is a stroke of genius I think, “X” marking a deprivation (black people being uprooted from their past and their identity erased), but crucially, he didn’t adopt an african name or muslim name like others. The “X” is more radical, because it symbolizes the unique opportunity of blacks in america to create something entirely new, the independent nation he was talking about.
It’s a similar situation in post-colonial countries, “decolonization” isn’t reverting back to how things were before, but creating something entirely new and unique from your situation…
He then adopted "Shabazz" or "a mighty and glorious people"
That was the standard practice of many NOI members. Such as Clarence 13X
I can't stand to see & hear docile & agreeable black men. Malcolm was the realest one here. You don't have to agree with your brother, just don't let THEM see it!!!! This Yt man didn't deserve to be breathe the same air as them.
Was this conversation last weekend?
We need Malcolm Back GOD 🙏 PLEASE NOW MORE THAN EVER
A great man who never got a chance so far ahead of his time the things that he was talking about then still holds true today
27:28
I felt every word of that statement
When Malcolm was in the Nation, he wasn't as great an orator. Once he was able to speak his own mind through what he learned, that's the Malcolm I pay attention to.
Malcolm X was always a great orator but Malcolm X could never truly be great until he was fully able to evolve after leaving the N.O.I.
Disagree. I think he's one of the greatest orators this nation has ever had. He's at the top of the food chain in that regard, Mr. Baldwin slightly below him.
Malcolm X obtained a law degree whilst in jail. He beat white Ivy league college debaters as a self made man. He was a genius and a true revolutionary. 👍
@@jenharris-du6ji, most certainly was
Then you missed out of 10 years of greatness.. he communicated for the laymen to understand in Our community
Interviews such as this during that time period were very consistent. A fact finding mission. A public interrogation. As well as trying to get the interviewee to say or agree to exactly what the interviewers agenda is. The problem is that the people who are the most polarizing are way too smart to follow the interviewers' script. Not everything is as simple as "yes or no." And it frustrates to opposition when intellectuals don't answer questions in simple terms.
So sad that both of them could not live to see Obama in office. I would’ve loved to hear their response. Both brilliant men with great insight and passion!!
WTF?!! Both would have been incredibly disappointed, just like so many of us. Obama stands for everything that these two great men do not!
I doubt Malcom would have been fooled by tokenism
At 50:19, you can hear a long sigh from Baldwin. Perfectly captured how I feel every time Scholar spoke.
Malcolm X was a religious extremist, a very noble and admirable one but an extremist nonetheless. Baldwin was a very thoughtful, heartful and nuanced commentator. Extremism always gets more attention than nuance because it can be more easily understood.
it should be noted that Malcolm X's views on race and the relationship between whites and blacks altered significantly from the time of this interview (particularly following his pilgrimage to Mecca)
Time proved malcolm x right
I like that they presented ideas and debated it professionally
Malcolm X is the most intelligent and highly intellectual Black of our contemporary time.
Malcolm would be disappointed in Black people now.
What a god damn expert X was at public speaking. If you asked me out of all the people in history id least like to debate... its him. And maybe Cicero.
His wisdom and Words will never die.
Kamala Harris was named after Kamala in Siddhartha. mala means bad in Spanish, acajudi100 RUclips in my 82nd year. Hola from Queretaro. RIP STUDS AND JAMES. THANK you.
kamala is a hindi name. this comment is ridiculous. thats like saying "barack obama... BAR... bars are where people drink alcohol." what did you prove?
2 heavy weight brotha's👊🏾👊🏾👊🏾
Hahah😂😂😂😂😂
Malcom is smarter then all of you!!
malcolm little dick was a homosexual prostitute
A black man / women is not decolonized until he leaves this reliogions its just like african countries taking out the France man but welcoming the chines and Americans you are not free you just changed your master
I see the house ninja back then was this Lincoln dude.
And George Schuyler
15:49 the goal is not equal rights to be a consumer but to be a human
Malcolm never calls himself the number 2 that was a instigator and he caught it and the other guy says something about warfare Malcolm said nothing about fighting anyone terrible behavior Malcolm and James Baldwin was too powerful for those people whom they were talking too wonderful history two of the greats so proud of them
New book 2023. Teaching white supremacy by Donald Yacovan. They stopped teaching white supremacy in public schools 1776-1965 due to Martin Luther king and Malcomb x.
Not really
.but keep dreaming
That's definitely a lie
While I greatly enjoy hearing Malcolm and James having a good debate, I cannot say I miss this style of journalism, where the interviewer or moderator cuts off, and tries to control the narrative instead of allowing the debate to happen naturally.
Each person here was constantly cut off, interrupted and pushed towards other topics.
American Farmer- first they come for you, then they come for me. I lived through the destruction of generational family farmers in the 80's.
They still talking crazy!!😊
We must establish a society of our own
They were afraid/ threatened of folks back then even now deep down because they know what's up
Who is Mr. Lincoln? What's his first name?
Not “the language of force”, but the language of LIBERATION.
now Baldwin is a movie roll that would've been perfect for Chadwick
does anyone know what book they are the referring to ?
The others are misconstruing, interrupting, covertly saying that Malcolm x is drawing out his 'answers' .....tough panel / host to have an intelligent respectful conversation/ debate....
Mx and Baldwin held it down in spite of the blatant Bs !
The moderator continues to talk past Malcolm by asking the others questions about the Muslims, while he has one (Malcolm) sitting right there.
2024🙏
Wow, the majority of the time, these men are trying to condemn Malcolm but not listen to anything he had to say or was saying. They knew very little but had a bunch of false ideas. The only person who didn't try to bash Malcom was Mr. Baldwin. Event thoug he had his difference. I think this whole argument was not about race relations. It was about the Islamic movement and if it was a violent movement?
Malcolm was funny when dude said Muslims set a date in 1970 for Armageddon and he said I challenge this and I think you’re 1000% wrong.
Classic.
After all that, they still didnt want to hear or accept the anwsers Malcolm or Balwin gave ... But whoever the House Servants were showed themselves as wemps
What are the 200,000 African American military veterans demanding and support.
Still arguing about staying here, change is scary, we have to go.
Who leaves their home?
@@MrMonopolisticthis ain't my home it's a fucking prison
@@TamaraBlackwell as a man thinketh… read a book or two…
hearing how clearly and explicitly the truth is laid out, and how it is able to be seemingly disregarded simply because the "moderator" is part of the power structure, it's so worrying and disheartening. but it shows the issue is not one of simply spreading knowledge/information, it is about fighting a power that has a vested interest in the problem perpetuating.
Nothing has changed, only gotten worse.
yep. the white majority is getting smaller so they are fighting harder to stay in power.
26:04 Baba Malcolm X: I'll clear that up 😎
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
This is as about as bad faith argument as it gets.
These disingenuous cowards and hate mongers didn’t want to table a respectful, insightful conversation. They wanted to paint the NOI as a hate group and wouldn’t allow Brothers Malcolm or Baldwin to give context and clarity to anything that went against their agenda.
I applaud their patience but I wouldn’t have made it halfway through this discussion without excusing myself.
It’s something they don’t have they ((hounding)) us!!!!it’s ok not to have it all
It doesn't matter if someone hates another. What matters is if and how, more importantly, that hatred can be transformed through tangible, applied, non-theoretical means within society. That has only happened one way in western society.
Basically, the WM is afraid of the getback.
They're afraid of karma
Baldwin v Buckley got me here, I wish he were still alive. He’d have been the first black president. Malcom idk ugh about but his intro seems a bit emo 🖤 so I’m hoping he gets over himself and just proceeds to impress. ☪️ worships the same god as the Christians so while I understand back in to this day many don’t understand this but yeah, your citizens my boy, just calm down. 😅he was fueled by anger it seems. Whether justified or not it’s never gunna help. For instance chapter four verse 29 of the Koran is something the Jihadist need reread.
They think if they throw us a bone with fat on it, that everything is doing good. Same old story
He's right that's why most "black" businesses struggle look at the farmers and how hard it is to get grants ect..and that's why some have to raise prices another factor is other folks who don't want to trade or do business with" black" folks..they dont want folks to succeed h
Look at redlining how its harder to get loans etc. And they love using dei for everything it's called including people of all backgrounds if you have the credentials but they don't see that or want to see and don't want it because just like then they want to be the only ones in control and at the same time destroy everything
Malcolm changed his mind about Honorable Elijah Muhammed and distanced himself from Muhammed’s flock
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