I have a sportster build and have been tuning without adjusting the min map. I'll run it tomorrow with 5k less tomorrow. Thanks for the video! I'll get the target tune next but have to get the 18mm bungs installed in my short shots.
Perfect timing! I just recently finished welding in the new bungs for TT. I am starting the auto tune process with the map you provided for my FM107 kit. You mentioned 3 20 minute sessions - Any harm in doing more than 3?
Is there plans plans for more in-depth videos on Dynojet tuning? Very interested in upgrading to Auto tune or target tune . I am currently running Dynojet with Fuel moto tune .
Awesome video! Very useful. I'm planning to start basic autotune session for my 2016 VRSCDX. When you say be sure to flash your non autotune map after each autotune session, I don't understand, it would make more sense to flash to new learn values each time? Or do you mean I must wait after these 3 autotune session and then flash the all learned values? I don't get this step of the process..
Hi. Great video, absolutely great help. I own a PV for my 2012 FLTRXSE CVO. If you allow me to ask 2 questions, for my specific case: 1) when you're doing an Autotune session and have to stop your bike for some reason (get more gas, police, heat, etc...), what do you do before turning the ignition off, but still want to continue with the AT process afterwards? 2) i went from an 19'' front wheel to a 23'' one, so, what would be the advised Speedometer calibration value to have? Thank you so much and please keep on doing a great job.
You have probably already figured this out, but- the Autotune will continue to run after you have turned the bike off and back on. It’s like “pause” on a video game. 2) the speedo is based on flashes from the transmission sensor, so as long as the rear wheel+tire diameter did not change (it shouldn’t have) your Speedo setting should not need adjustment.
Great video and thanks for posting. Quick question: I'm not sure I'm clear when you say be sure to "flash your non-auto tune map" at the 6:34 mark. My understanding is you'll have the original map and and then an auto tune copy. I would think you'd want to do the remaining two (out of all three) sessions agains the auto tune copy and not the original. Is that right?
The example was given in the scenario where you have performed one or two auto tuning sessions, you are ready to go for a third auto tune session as you have enabled auto tune on your latest auto tune created fuel map, however you instead want to go out for a long ride and not auto tune your motorcycle. Simply flash back into your ECM the latest fuel map exported through the auto tune process and you will be ready to ride. Don't hesitate to contact our technicians for further assistance.
ok, that makes sense and thanks so much for the clarification. Just getting going with the DynoJet PV2 for my Sportster now that I've done a 1250 kit and want to do some auto tuning.
Fuel Moto - I also have a question(s) at the same point (6:34) in the vid. So why do you have to “flash a non auto map” after turning off Auto Tune? Doesn’t it just default back to your latest downloaded tune? What is a “non auto tune map? Great vid. Keep’em coming😉👍
I just put the system on my 2017 SGS with stage 2. Dynojet sent me a tune for the cam, pipes, and intake that i installed. It works great and i did a few auto tunes to dial it in for the stock O2 sensors. I put the wideband kit in yesterday and went back to the base tune then started auto tune all over. I have 2 rides in at about an hour each but i noticed that it turned off the closed loop when i went into auto tune. Do i finish auto then turn closed loop back on or leave it off?
So if you have one of these systems, why would one need a dyno tune if whatever data the tuner got on the dyno can potentially be over written by whatever data the dynojet pro has collected over time?
6:30. “You can do these sessions on different days, just make sure to flash your NON AUTO TUNED map. Don’t just disable auto tune.” I don’t understand. What do you mean? What will happen?
Do I require the Power Vision to be on my Harley CVO Ultra prior to me adding a Target Tuner? Once I have a Target Tuner installed do I need to do anything further or will the Target Tuner do it all for me?
Did high compression pistons and a cam this winter on my bike, now trying to tune it. I bought the wide band and they are 8n the o2 ports but it keeps telling me 0 cells hit and 0% learned. Gotta be doing something wrong. I do love the power vision this is clearly user error lol
@FuelMoto So if you have the powervision and the Target Tune, do you still recommend doing auto-tune sessions? Or is that basically negating the function of the Target Tune?
You would still want to autotune, in the screen to select the sensor type you’d just select target tune. Plus you have to be starting with a target tune map, if you buy from fm they supply them for your config. I have read that there is something not right about the way auto tune works with target tune but I don’t know enough to really explain it. May want to research before embarking on that journey.
Great video. I have a 2010 Dyna and just installed 583 easy start cams, thunderheader and S&S stealth air cleaner. I ran Autotune basic 8 times driving all different roads. Wow what a difference. My question is the idle is set to 1k but the engine can't hold idle and stalls. I need to gently hold the throttle so it idles. Other than that she pulls hard. What should I do? Add more fuel to the low range in quick tune? I appreciate any help.
Sam D you can go program Vehicle then hit quick tune and adjust your idle up 50 rpm at a time all the way too 2000 etc. fixed easy as that don’t forget to refjash after ur adjustment , done mine tonight . Was stalling on me , after I ran auto tune, I only had to add 100 rpm to fix the issue
Sam D when you do your first ride and your done does PV save ur rides info for next rides or if not how. I understand 1 ride and flash but multi rides ???
I have a 2015 vrod muscle thinking about already got high flow air cleaner thinking about 2 into1 ground powder exhaust I figure I'll need wideband o2 would target tune and power vision be a good option I'm assuming yes
So when in auto tune basic, you ride say 20 minutes, come home then what, does power vision take off from where u left off from first ride. Or do I turn it back on and just start over with hopefully the last rides Info / tune. I understand the first ride when done use ur 1st ride info to flash ur tune but multiple rides ?? What does PV save ur info for each ride then flash it ????
Good Run down on how it all works.... question. Do you have to have the power vision to run the autotuned? or can you simply hook in your O2 sensors and connect to you Power commander V and enable it. then ride, reconnect after the ride and flash it?
I can I get a base map from you guys my power vision did not come pre-installed with any base maps and I looked on dynamic jets site and they don't have my bike a 2020 softail standard with a s&S AIR CLEANER and cobra deoblo 2into1
Just bout a pcv and auto tune for my 2010 z1000. Was wondering if it’ll show my cylinders in the map section of the auto tune? If I only have one o2 sensor how can it tell which cylinder is doing what? I’m either confused or really misinformed.
im confused! just bought this for my 2017 road glide special. during the three 20 min sessions do I select a new slot or select the slot I previously auto tuned???
Either will work. Some like to overwrite the slot if you dont care to compare the changes. Other use different slots to open the files later and compare the changes. Either way just remember to use the modified tune and turn off autotune
Hi there,I have a PV with the wide band o2 sencors and I have run autotune turn .My question is in the data hit screen I am not getting color hits ,I can see the hits box going across the green screen but no orange or red. Any advice please .
I'm looking at doing the s&s 107ci big bore or 110ci and 89cc heads with Andrews 67H cams. I all ready running the power vision. Would this benefit me vs the stock narrow band? Once I got it built I was going to take it right to the dyno to get tuned?
You can go two ways, buy powervision and get autotune pro with wideband o2 sensors. Or just buy powervision and take it to a professional dyno to set you up. Buying a powervision with out a way of reading AFR through the exhaust would be just guessing and not effective. The powervision on it's own would only give you a canned basic tune to download.
To actually use your PV to its best you have to buy another $600 for the auto tune kits with wideband sensors . Holy crap $1000 for a complete tuner. Unreal. Got to admit even with the latest download no more decell pops and more response
Everything falls apart when you're at the end of a autotuned/target tune session. You turn the bike off and now what... there are NO PRECISE instructions. I watched the videos and when I got to the point where I exit the datalog screen, it all goes to hell because What I see on my Power Vision is not what I see in the video. Instead of building on then previous session it wants to write the session learned to the ECM.. WHAT IS NEEDED is a precise second by second sequence of key presses and what exactly is happening between and after each key stroke. I have no idea whether I'm adding information, over writing information, storing information. When I do the disable autotuned/ enable auto tune it wants to write to the ECU... what gives?
I AGREE MAN! YOU'D FIGURE THESE GOOFBALLS WOULD DO A VID WITH THE DAMN PV IN HAND!! FROM WHAT I FOUND OUT THROUGH OTHER COMMENTS PERTAINING TO AUTOTUNE YOU ARE SUPPOSE TO KEEP USING THE ORIGINAL SLOT YOU USED TO AUTOTUNE TO KEEP AUTOTUNING AND HONING IN!
13.2 14.6 A Dumb Tier 1 support people could not even tell me for an example how much you should increase fuel delivery for better drive ability better throttle response and cooler engine i.e don't turn your exhaust purple ..
It all depends on riding style and fuel mileage. I found a nice happy medium is 14.3-14 in cruising area, 13.9-13.5 in mid to upper throttle area, and 13.5-12 in WOT areas.
Yes! The Dynojet Power Vision does have the ability to alter the speed limiter to a value that you could not physically reach, thus 'removing' the speed limiter.
Have to rely on the auto tune as powervision neglected to provide any tunes for 13 touring and the few they have for 12 and below don't have any options for my simple setup.
Jeffery Baker call dynojet they come up with new downloads almost monthly. That’s what I did I have a FLSTSE2 CVO. FIRST DOWNLOAD THEY SENT ME MY MOTOR FELT TOTALLY DIFFERENT, more response and no decell pops
Though this isnt fuel motos fault it was aggravating to have to drive and hunt down 4 rinkey dink screws and nuts that didnt come with the mounting kit
Don't waste your money on Dynojet, their Powervision just blanks out and they don't care about fixing the issue. Go check out HDForums and you will see the list of people who are complaining about this.
Dynojet has a lot of wrong and outdated on their web site. Level 1 customer support does not really understand what you can install and what you need and don't need to build a system ..
Harley Davidson is one of the most efficient ways to turn gasoline into Noise with very little Horse Power as a side effect.. I wish I could find a video like this on modern liquid cooled motorcycles.. I will watch the rest of the video to see if I can gain any base knowledge..
These Dam Tuners are waste $$$ and time...best thing to do is bring it to a Pro Tuner Shop in your area, because all you end up doing is screwing up the EMC and $400.00 or so bucks...where you could applied that $$$ for a pro tune and a good shop will back-up the tune most of time for a year at no cost.
It's more like $250 and hope they tune worth a shit I bought the pv with target tune and runs better than what hyperformance tuned it well worth the money and customer service is top notch
I often here that comment from a so called professional tech. My tuner has already saved me thousands. $508 is what a harley dealer charged me for a tune and dyno run, ( no parts installed). Most tech will just pull a Map from there library of tunes then charge the full service price. I've installed cams, heads, exhaust and air cleaner on all separate occasions of which would have cost me nearly 3k through a tech shop. So yeah 400 for the tuner and another 400 for the target tune, I'll take that anyday vs a shady ass tech who runs generic map and charges full price.
@@bsmagee86 is there a big difference between buying all the stuff from fuel Moto or taking it to a Dyno tuner and having them do it all in one session?
I bought my Power Vision from FM. Excellent service.
Thank you Fuel Moto, best purchase I made for my Harley, was the Dynojet Powervision from you with the preloaded map for my stage 2 RoadGlide ❤
I have a sportster build and have been tuning without adjusting the min map. I'll run it tomorrow with 5k less tomorrow. Thanks for the video! I'll get the target tune next but have to get the 18mm bungs installed in my short shots.
Best exclamation. Makes a lot of sense to auto tune over each session so it gets better
Very good explanation of tuning! Now I know what questions o need to answer for my application and what I want to do in the future. Thanks.
FINALLY an eazzy to understand explanation of the differences. GRACIAS😉👍👌
Thank You very much! You addressed so many issues I had no solution to them before. Great Video!!!!
When you add target tune, you will receive a new tune via email to enable it through Powervision, correct?
Those Big Taco’s are the only glasses I ride with lol. Wish they were still around.
Perfect timing! I just recently finished welding in the new bungs for TT. I am starting the auto tune process with the map you provided for my FM107 kit. You mentioned 3 20 minute sessions - Any harm in doing more than 3?
Nope, you can do more no problem.
Is there plans plans for more in-depth videos on Dynojet tuning? Very interested in upgrading to Auto tune or target tune . I am currently running Dynojet with Fuel moto tune .
Yes, we will be doing more in depth videos on Auto Tune, Auto Tune Pro and Target Tune.
Awesome video! Very useful. I'm planning to start basic autotune session for my 2016 VRSCDX. When you say be sure to flash your non autotune map after each autotune session, I don't understand, it would make more sense to flash to new learn values each time? Or do you mean I must wait after these 3 autotune session and then flash the all learned values? I don't get this step of the process..
Hi.
Great video, absolutely great help. I own a PV for my 2012 FLTRXSE CVO.
If you allow me to ask 2 questions, for my specific case:
1) when you're doing an Autotune session and have to stop your bike for some reason (get more gas, police, heat, etc...), what do you do before turning the ignition off, but still want to continue with the AT process afterwards?
2) i went from an 19'' front wheel to a 23'' one, so, what would be the advised Speedometer calibration value to have?
Thank you so much and please keep on doing a great job.
You have probably already figured this out, but- the Autotune will continue to run after you have turned the bike off and back on. It’s like “pause” on a video game.
2) the speedo is based on flashes from the transmission sensor, so as long as the rear wheel+tire diameter did not change (it shouldn’t have) your Speedo setting should not need adjustment.
Great video and thanks for posting. Quick question: I'm not sure I'm clear when you say be sure to "flash your non-auto tune map" at the 6:34 mark. My understanding is you'll have the original map and and then an auto tune copy. I would think you'd want to do the remaining two (out of all three) sessions agains the auto tune copy and not the original. Is that right?
The example was given in the scenario where you have performed one or two auto tuning sessions, you are ready to go for a third auto tune session as you have enabled auto tune on your latest auto tune created fuel map, however you instead want to go out for a long ride and not auto tune your motorcycle. Simply flash back into your ECM the latest fuel map exported through the auto tune process and you will be ready to ride. Don't hesitate to contact our technicians for further assistance.
ok, that makes sense and thanks so much for the clarification. Just getting going with the DynoJet PV2 for my Sportster now that I've done a 1250 kit and want to do some auto tuning.
Fuel Moto - I also have a question(s) at the same point (6:34) in the vid.
So why do you have to “flash a non auto map” after turning off Auto Tune? Doesn’t it just default back to your latest downloaded tune? What is a “non auto tune map? Great vid. Keep’em coming😉👍
I just put the system on my 2017 SGS with stage 2. Dynojet sent me a tune for the cam, pipes, and intake that i installed. It works great and i did a few auto tunes to dial it in for the stock O2 sensors. I put the wideband kit in yesterday and went back to the base tune then started auto tune all over. I have 2 rides in at about an hour each but i noticed that it turned off the closed loop when i went into auto tune. Do i finish auto then turn closed loop back on or leave it off?
Is that "built" map the result of corrected VE values or is it the result of corrected injector pulse width?
So if you have one of these systems, why would one need a dyno tune if whatever data the tuner got on the dyno can potentially be over written by whatever data the dynojet pro has collected over time?
6:30. “You can do these sessions on different days, just make sure to flash your NON AUTO TUNED map. Don’t just disable auto tune.”
I don’t understand. What do you mean? What will happen?
Same
Do I require the Power Vision to be on my Harley CVO Ultra prior to me adding a Target Tuner? Once I have a Target Tuner installed do I need to do anything further or will the Target Tuner do it all for me?
Soooooooooooooooo GOOOOOOOOD MAN !!!!
THANK YOU
Did high compression pistons and a cam this winter on my bike, now trying to tune it. I bought the wide band and they are 8n the o2 ports but it keeps telling me 0 cells hit and 0% learned. Gotta be doing something wrong. I do love the power vision this is clearly user error lol
This or Thundermax?
So with the TargeTune kit I can Autotune my Bike an then it corrects itself to stay on the Target that was set by the Autotune.
Great informative video. Thank you.
Installed the target tune on my 17 RG . Updated the map . Now the cells are not populating in the “HITT” screen. Any suggestions.. thanks
Has dynojet come out with a fix for autotuning the spark tables yet?
@FuelMoto So if you have the powervision and the Target Tune, do you still recommend doing auto-tune sessions? Or is that basically negating the function of the Target Tune?
You would still want to autotune, in the screen to select the sensor type you’d just select target tune. Plus you have to be starting with a target tune map, if you buy from fm they supply them for your config. I have read that there is something not right about the way auto tune works with target tune but I don’t know enough to really explain it. May want to research before embarking on that journey.
Good question... @FuelMoto please answer
Great video. I have a 2010 Dyna and just installed 583 easy start cams, thunderheader and S&S stealth air cleaner. I ran Autotune basic 8 times driving all different roads. Wow what a difference. My question is the idle is set to 1k but the engine can't hold idle and stalls. I need to gently hold the throttle so it idles. Other than that she pulls hard. What should I do? Add more fuel to the low range in quick tune? I appreciate any help.
Sam D you can go program Vehicle then hit quick tune and adjust your idle up 50 rpm at a time all the way too 2000 etc. fixed easy as that don’t forget to refjash after ur adjustment , done mine tonight . Was stalling on me , after I ran auto tune, I only had to add 100 rpm to fix the issue
Sam D when you do your first ride and your done does PV save ur rides info for next rides or if not how. I understand 1 ride and flash but multi rides ???
@@warrendemartini6533 hey youre one of my favorite guitar players
I have a 2015 vrod muscle thinking about already got high flow air cleaner thinking about 2 into1 ground powder exhaust I figure I'll need wideband o2 would target tune and power vision be a good option I'm assuming yes
So when in auto tune basic, you ride say 20 minutes, come home then what, does power vision take off from where u left off from first ride. Or do I turn it back on and just start over with hopefully the last rides Info / tune. I understand the first ride when done use ur 1st ride info to flash ur tune but multiple rides ?? What does PV save ur info for each ride then flash it ????
Good Run down on how it all works.... question. Do you have to have the power vision to run the autotuned? or can you simply hook in your O2 sensors and connect to you Power commander V and enable it. then ride, reconnect after the ride and flash it?
You need the power vision for everything he mentioned in the video.
I can I get a base map from you guys my power vision did not come pre-installed with any base maps and I looked on dynamic jets site and they don't have my bike a 2020 softail standard with a s&S AIR CLEANER and cobra deoblo 2into1
Just bout a pcv and auto tune for my 2010 z1000. Was wondering if it’ll show my cylinders in the map section of the auto tune? If I only have one o2 sensor how can it tell which cylinder is doing what? I’m either confused or really misinformed.
When you export the settings it says reset values do I say yes or no when it I get that prompt
im confused! just bought this for my 2017 road glide special. during the three 20 min sessions do I select a new slot or select the slot I previously auto tuned???
Either will work. Some like to overwrite the slot if you dont care to compare the changes. Other use different slots to open the files later and compare the changes. Either way just remember to use the modified tune and turn off autotune
Hi there,I have a PV with the wide band o2 sencors and I have run autotune turn .My question is in the data hit screen I am not getting color hits ,I can see the hits box going across the green screen but no orange or red.
Any advice please .
Why does every bike program have to be a windows program?
We found our neckbeard'er. Bro put down the pumpkin pixi stick home brew and re-ask that question out loud.
What is a good air fuel 14?
Best intro ever
I’m getting no hits in target tune I’ve done it before with auto tune basic on my sportster. Now on my dyna can’t do it
I'm looking at doing the s&s 107ci big bore or 110ci and 89cc heads with Andrews 67H cams. I all ready running the power vision. Would this benefit me vs the stock narrow band? Once I got it built I was going to take it right to the dyno to get tuned?
I'm wondering the same thing. Wanting to do s&s 110" sidewinder kit
Do they offer a auto tune for a ' 21 lowrider s
How would you have both target tune and PV connected at the same time. They use the same communication port no?
It connects to a pigtail that connects them both
How would power vision work on a 2003 Heritage Softail Classic when there are no O2 sensors on the bike....but it says it can be used on the bike
Limited features will be available to you in this application
You can go two ways, buy powervision and get autotune pro with wideband o2 sensors. Or just buy powervision and take it to a professional dyno to set you up. Buying a powervision with out a way of reading AFR through the exhaust would be just guessing and not effective. The powervision on it's own would only give you a canned basic tune to download.
I got a map from fuel moto
To actually use your PV to its best you have to buy another $600 for the auto tune kits with wideband sensors . Holy crap $1000 for a complete tuner. Unreal. Got to admit even with the latest download no more decell pops and more response
What happens with timing?
I bought 2 power visions thru Fuel Moto.
Those guys are the shit they know how to make a harley run the way it should run my hat is off to fuel moto
Everything falls apart when you're at the end of a autotuned/target tune session. You turn the bike off and now what... there are NO PRECISE instructions. I watched the videos and when I got to the point where I exit the datalog screen, it all goes to hell because What I see on my Power Vision is not what I see in the video. Instead of building on then previous session it wants to write the session learned to the ECM.. WHAT IS NEEDED is a precise second by second sequence of key presses and what exactly is happening between and after each key stroke. I have no idea whether I'm adding information, over writing information, storing information. When I do the disable autotuned/ enable auto tune it wants to write to the ECU... what gives?
I AGREE MAN! YOU'D FIGURE THESE GOOFBALLS WOULD DO A VID WITH THE DAMN PV IN HAND!! FROM WHAT I FOUND OUT THROUGH OTHER COMMENTS PERTAINING TO AUTOTUNE YOU ARE SUPPOSE TO KEEP USING THE ORIGINAL SLOT YOU USED TO AUTOTUNE TO KEEP AUTOTUNING AND HONING IN!
What exactly do you have? Target tune or autotune pro? Or basic autotune? Year bike and model too.
13.2 14.6 A Dumb Tier 1 support people could not even tell me for an example how much you should increase fuel delivery for better drive ability better throttle response and cooler engine i.e don't turn your exhaust purple ..
It all depends on riding style and fuel mileage. I found a nice happy medium is 14.3-14 in cruising area, 13.9-13.5 in mid to upper throttle area, and 13.5-12 in WOT areas.
hi, does this eliminates the speed limit on my m8 streetglide special?
Yes! The Dynojet Power Vision does have the ability to alter the speed limiter to a value that you could not physically reach, thus 'removing' the speed limiter.
Yup! just set to 160mph!
Or just disconnect your speed sensor
So you have to pick one air fuel ratio for the entire fuel table?
No you can set it up based on your riding style.
Have to rely on the auto tune as powervision neglected to provide any tunes for 13 touring and the few they have for 12 and below don't have any options for my simple setup.
.....Well... They do have options just that apparently nobody was running power duels back then.
Jeffery Baker you need to call frequently. They get new downloads all the time.
Jeffery Baker call dynojet they come up with new downloads almost monthly. That’s what I did I have a FLSTSE2 CVO. FIRST DOWNLOAD THEY SENT ME MY MOTOR FELT TOTALLY DIFFERENT, more response and no decell pops
Though this isnt fuel motos fault it was aggravating to have to drive and hunt down 4 rinkey dink screws and nuts that didnt come with the mounting kit
Don't waste your money on Dynojet, their Powervision just blanks out and they don't care about fixing the issue. Go check out HDForums and you will see the list of people who are complaining about this.
Really could do without the beginning of the video
Skip past the not funny 60 seconds, all else useful
Dynojet has a lot of wrong and outdated on their web site. Level 1 customer support does not really understand what you can install and what you need and don't need to build a system ..
The intro 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤘🤘🤘
Harley Davidson is one of the most efficient ways to turn gasoline into Noise with very little Horse Power as a side effect..
I wish I could find a video like this on modern liquid cooled motorcycles.. I will watch the rest of the video to see if I can gain any base knowledge..
autotune that singing thing????!!!! LOLOLOLOl
cut the skits and get to the point
These Dam Tuners are waste $$$ and time...best thing to do is bring it to a Pro Tuner Shop in your area, because all you end up doing is screwing up the EMC and $400.00 or so bucks...where you could applied that $$$ for a pro tune and a good shop will back-up the tune most of time for a year at no cost.
@Alex Eidenier Or you pay $100 to use a PowerVision license under the tuner shops name.
It's more like $250 and hope they tune worth a shit I bought the pv with target tune and runs better than what hyperformance tuned it well worth the money and customer service is top notch
Not all tuners are created equal. They charge by the hour and I've heard plenty of guys say their bike ran shittier after the "pro" tune.
I often here that comment from a so called professional tech. My tuner has already saved me thousands. $508 is what a harley dealer charged me for a tune and dyno run, ( no parts installed). Most tech will just pull a Map from there library of tunes then charge the full service price. I've installed cams, heads, exhaust and air cleaner on all separate occasions of which would have cost me nearly 3k through a tech shop. So yeah 400 for the tuner and another 400 for the target tune, I'll take that anyday vs a shady ass tech who runs generic map and charges full price.
@@bsmagee86 is there a big difference between buying all the stuff from fuel Moto or taking it to a Dyno tuner and having them do it all in one session?