‘Unbelievable’: Australia the ‘only nation’ to build nuclear subs with no nuclear industry
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- Australia is planning to become the “only nation in the world” which has ever operated and owned a nuclear submarine without a nuclear industry in the country, says The Australian’s Foreign Editor Greg Sheridan.
“All the other nations in the world which own and operate nuclear submarines have big nuclear energy industries,” he told Sky News host Steve Price.
“The idea we can do this without having any other nuclear industry is just one of the many sort of fanciful, unbelievable aspects of AUKUS.”
1. Buy nuclear sub from America.
2. Stick a 'Holden' badge on it.
3. Do subby doughnuts in the gulf of Carpentaria.
Funny,😊 but we probably should buy rather than build.
Why on earth would you want to own one ?!
Let you know who, fight their own wars on own turf for once !
Putin visiting North Korea just put a dagger through the heart of AUKUS.
There will be no nuclear subs.
@@suzettevdm51 Longer range, faster, no need to surface to recharge batteries or enter a port to refuel diesel which makes them visible and vulnerable to attack.
Can stay submerged for months.
Yes Australia will never get those Subs . War will intervene.
WHEN ?
@@fredkarnak483apparently in 5 seconds according to this guy 😂😂
@@fredkarnak483thanks to bent Oz politicos and rhinemetal we are already at war .
No one is tutching Australia lol😂
We NEVER were. In the meantime, we are GIVING the Americans Billions of dollars to improve THEIR shipyards while building up our bases for AMERICAN and UK nuclear subs to visit/live.
The VERY best we can ever hope for is to have SOME Australian servicepeople trained in submarine operations to serve on US owned and operated subs.
They're talking 30 years. Well, Steve and Greg will be dead, as will many of us. Buy off the shelf now.
Yep, same with all the climate change talk.
@@Barney_Rubble247 True, that alone is the biggest scam ever perpetrated against the citizens of a nation. Yet many appear to have drunk from the elixir of doom.
Agreed. If we try to build them ourselves, it'll either take virtually forever or more likely, NEVER happen.
"Stupid is as stupid does"
Forrest Gump
It's a little unfair to call Australia a "Nation," we're more a daycare center for scared children.
More like a nation who's leading cause of death of young people between the ages of 15 to 25 is suicide...it's absolutely disgraceful..
More like a adult Center ruled by children.
Kids manipulated to be scared, taught to be scared,,,how can they not be scared, without out someone teaching them otherwise?,,,we need a leader... Assange..... Assange... Assange...out leader is free..
@@sdjuxu The cowards running governments and police departments during covid weren't children, neither were the "men" of this country the majority of which bent over and took it. I'm not talking about literal children but adult children.
Labor is finished. That didn’t take much. One term Albo , well deserved.
Hope you are right
Ah, except it was the LNP that signed us up for the subs...and of course their finished...lol.
Australia is finished
@@adminaccounts807nuh uh
@adminaccounts807 why lol 😂
the Australian Government is supporting UK industry & Economy. Get out of it. our tax not well spend.
Yeah,we aren’t just getting shagged by Britain, we are getting shagged by u.S and Britain. It’s a shambles of a deal.
No matter what we do the friggin climate is always going to change. Coal, gas, nuclear 👍 No to wind turbines and solar farms.
aussie is the servant of yankee 😢
Go back 80 years and witness Australia's engineering capabilities ,home grown capability ,not an off shoot of some foreign company . It all went to Asia with whitlams lima agreement signature .
Australia can't even build houses to solve the housing crisis. It has no hope in building a sub.
Once you've travelled the World you soon realise Australians aren't the sharpest tools in the box!
@@GLEN-ys7qtsome*
Because manufacturing needs a strong power base, not weak renewables. How about stop looking for the lazy, easy way out of everything.
Don't forget the shonky work tradies do when building houses.
Nor does it political or media class have the gumption to stop immigration, which would surely do more for housing than any other single action
It will be a miracle if we aren't in a Pacific conflict long prior those Subs hitting the water.
Yes yes funny state of affairs now who signed up to Nuclear submarines when Australia didn't have a Nuclear industry.
Well it was the LNP😂😂😂
We don't get a vote???
It was Albanese who signed the deal. He had the chance to back out. Now he is posting Simpsons 3 eyed fish memes. Either he signed it knowing Labor would back out of it later, against the majority opinion of Australians (again) and breaking yet another election promise, or he was fully committed to having a nuclear industry in Australia. Which is it? He looks pretty silly either way.
@@ivanf6938 Yes but Albanese would have been bashed if he hadn't this was an LNP deal remember Macron called the PM at the time dishonest and a liar.
You mean the
UNI PARTY
LIB/ LAB
NO DIFFERENT
@@trg9765 lucky we have nationals and greens as rudders!
Typical…Australia always signing up for stuff they don’t understand…😂
Good on you Peter for standing up for Australians first and putting his job on the line over the 2030 targets that labour has no hope of meeting like seriously…
Dutton is desperate...he knows he's a dead man walking...the latest Nuclear catastrophe is simply handing more LNP votes to the Teals...onya Dutts.
She is Australian citizen then she have no right to interfere in Chinese affairs.
You are correct . Cheng li . Is a convicted spy . If the charges , what ever they are dismissed , Julian Assange case . Would he be allowed in government house to interview American vice president in Australia 🇦🇺?? Well would Julian Assange be allowed to interview American vice president ??? . So why would Cheng Li . A convicted Spy , be allowed to interview a Chinese 🇨🇳 vice president in Australia ?? . So Australia has a convicted Spy in the journalist category. ?? Is that good for Australia ???. Time for Australian politicians to wake up to them selves don’t you think ?? Andrej Kondisenko Cairns Australia 🇦🇺
I don't think our politicians and business men are mature enough to manage Nuclear anything.
Time to cancel the nuclear subs!!!!
Save huge money for the nationals 😂
We already compensated a billion bucks for the Barracuda deal cancellation, ya want pay Britain and the yanks off ….. again 2x?
@redherring9497
Give them nothing. Cancel the damn subs.
@@leonharrison800 too late bro, the cheques been settled
Cancal subs. Reduce immigration. Build houses.
The subs were a shit idea and waste of money
Surely some sort of package would of been a better option.
State of the art long range surveillance birds is what Australia needed.
What we got was yellow submarines
@Barney_Rubble247
Exactly. Well said.
Technology is changing all the time. Theirs no telling that nuclear subs will be useful in another 20 years. Especially at the rate some countries are developing underwater detection systems..
A huge chunk of our military expenditure gone in 6 missile strikes, probably less if their docked.
Excellent interview. Thank you…👍👍💪💪🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺
380 billion $ for 8 nuclear powered subs for that money Australia could purchase a squadron of B21 stealth bombers 12 off the shelf destroyers and 24 frigates. 2 jump jet aircraft carriers, including 12 conventional powerd subs and 100 nuclear weapons. Would have a hell of a lot more capability than just 8 nuclear powered submarines. What a waist of $
Nuclear sub is extremely unlikely to even be tracked when on patrol and can strike anywhere in the world. All those things you listed need a lot of manpower, maintinence, training costs, ect.
@@legacyexploits8501 I think you missed the point. By the time we actually get the stealthy world cruising country killer subs we may not even have a country to defend. Too many of these pipe dream mega deals are outdated before they can even decide on the paint colour and what trim and dash mats they want. The second world war was won on mass production over quality. Why because any defense or assault has to be on the spot and relentless , its not won with paper weapons that rely on an enemy to be willing to wait until they are built outfitted debugged and delivered. Little own the time to get crews up to speed on.
The USA went to the moon with no space industry a decade earlier. They did that not because it was easy, but because it was hard.
Because they could! (JFK)
But Australia is Not USA.Australia is a backward Australia
What a ridiculous analogy. It's total stupidity.
@@jamesyoung4834 Why? Thrill me with your acumen.
Funny about that America went to the moon back in the 60s yet they can’t go there today. They are hoping to get back there by the end of the decade I guess they forgot how they did it last time
A nuclear power plant has started construction at Jervis Bay in NSW. Just finish it, then we don’t have to listen to anymore ridiculous carryon.
@@Ray-dv1md Nope, the footings were completed. Covered by gravel now to preserve them, and later every enviro-analysis was completed, just for good measure.
ANSTO has a reactor to produce radiopharmaceuticals even if Australia doesn't currently produce power from nuclear processes. So there is currently a knowledge base in Australia.
You should have used Lucas Heights most wouldn't know what ANSTO was. The technology is no secret we have the capability. But as usual it will be distorted bastardised and politicised. Lib won't achieve any plants in their 3 yr term.
Hope nuclear subs, weapons and wars can feed their own people in the future. Great hope and strategy indeed.
Once you've travelled the World you soon realise Australians aren't exactly the sharpest tools in the box! Those subs are never going to be built!
The money for the subs will build twelve 1.2GW nuclear reactors. And the reactors are buy off the shelf current design technology.
There is no buy off the shelf nuclear reactor liar. Not one Nuclear PS has been built in a Western Country this century that hasn't been more than US$10 Billion over budget and over a decade late. Do you want to have the most expensive electricity on the planet?
@@tsubadaikhan6332yes because it produces a truckload of energy and we can use that instead of a failing power grid
Snowy hydro 2.0 good thing, 12 billion on completion. producing 2000 GWH = 2 TWH annually.
1 nuclear reactor I think is still a good thing, costing 6 to 8 billion, producing 7 to 8 TWH produces 80 to 90% of the time, lasts 40 to 50 years
Solar rebates cost the tax payer around 1 billion dollars per year, approximately 2.6 TWH in total is produced by solar which does not work at night marginal when cloudy and panels last 15 years. To increase that figure you need more roof tops or more land.
As of June 2024, there are 59 nuclear reactors under construction worldwide. China leads with 25 reactors, followed by India with 7, and Turkey and Russia each having 4 reactors under construction. Other countries with ongoing nuclear projects include Bangladesh, Egypt, Japan, South Korea, Ukraine, and the United Kingdom, among others.
Is Australia going to be a smart country or just a dumb arse one with no manufacturing, no AI darter centers, no housing for poor or elderly, and our universities will be redundant in the future as every country will have access to AI.
Politicians have been drinking too much of the World economic forum cool aid, Albo just wants to be friends with our biggest threat and does not have the balls to do what is in the best interest of Australians.
Australian Politicians should be all sacked for poor performance on all fronts, at least Scott Morrison had some balls, and looks like Peter Dutton is growing some
All figures quoted are from Chat GTP4
Just stop now, seriously it's not even a close argument
@@jamesyoung4834 Last I checked we still have free speech in Australia. Oh, except if James disagrees. GFYS
Mate, I'm not really against Nuclear, but how do you argue against the fact that by any measure Nuclear is the most expensive way to produce power per kilowatt hour that we know of? Not one Nuclear PS has been built in a Western Country this century that hasn't been more than US$10 Billion over budget and over a decade late. By the time we build a Nuclear PS we'll have developed batteries that will make them instantly obsolete. I'm not against Nuclear, but I don't want to have the most expensive electricity in the world.
@@tsubadaikhan6332If South Korea can do it, so can we.
@@tsubadaikhan6332 At the rate that Australia is expanding its population and the shift to only evs in the future, the reality is we just will not be able to generate enough electricity to function. The life cycle of solar is half that of Nuclear, the manufacture of green tech is not very green, that's why China is relying on coal and Nuclear to prop up its Hydro, solar and wind to make the green tech. 25 nuclear plants under construction from the country that makes 95% of renewables. In ten years most countries will still generate a fair portion of its power from nuclear with 95% reliability of generation. From what I been told from every western security expert, is that armed conflict with China and the west is highly likely somewhere in the next 30 years.
From a country of incredible shed-to-global innovators, to a swamp of 🤑 residential property speculators who couldn’t build working, cost-effective large infrastructure to save your lives 😂 🇦🇺
jjsc4396, Yes, You have just nailed the originating cause of Australia's manufactured property boom : tax payer funded benefits for property investor/speculators, now coupled with a huge immigration program which exacerbates the problem. Neither "side" wants to rectify this problem. Clearly they don't care about Australian home seekers. Recently they have been talking about their Big Australia program which should really be called the Big Brazil program, that is what they intend to turn Australia into, and people still vote for them ?
Democracy like Covid crackdowns in Australia??😂
Why are we allowing visa free trips here from China for 5 years just because they offered it to us? This is how the EU was started. Bad Bad underhanded move from Labor, once again!
Go visit, better than reading a thousand books.
NATO out of the Pacific
What the use .it's better to have a friendship than have enemies. We are in Asia and need to live together with our neighbours .what can 3 subs do we should get our priorities right ✅️ Why create an enemy when we are friends. Peace to Asia.We really don't want Asia to become like the Middle East.
Try telling the Chinese that 😂
@@Afan-bm6hg We don't have to tell them. It's enough for the US to just stop provoking them.
Our Asian and Pacific and Indian neighbours support our having nuclear submarines. What are you on about?
So…. If we get invaded without nuclear submarines to defend us do you think a ragtag fleet of 30 year old combat vessels are gonna stop an entire fleet?
@@CASA-dy4vs Absolutely not. But a fleet of nine nuclear attack submarines at a cost of $400 billion are not going to do this either. There are more effective measures.
Thanks greg i have more respect for you.
Voldamort talk shit again
Just shows the idiocy of the government. What a mob of bozos
I was always under the assumption that when fusion reactors are feasible, was the goal.
Unfortunately they've only been a decade away since the 1950's.
@@tsubadaikhan6332 Well, in this country they'll never support nuclear otherwise. - Frankly, I dunno why its even a conversation. We have several coastal areas with geothermal hotspots, that are not that deep for permanent undersea facilities.
Seriously, why are we always dealing with this last-century bullshit in Oceania. This is American gov't thinking. Makes no sense.
The U.S. is struggling to ramp up its submarine production.
Russian titanium sub Project 705 Lira became the fastest, deepest-diving submarine in the world. So fast, in fact, that it was reported they evade Western torpedoes.
American industry withdrew from titanium sponge production by 2020 and now relies entirely on foreign sources mainly from Russia. 😂😂😂
I’m dumbfounded. The alternative is glaringly obvious . Then again, it’s only about their pockets, isn’t it?
Sky was being inflamitory by sending her.
She was charged but not convicted or cleared of sharing Chinese secrets and she turns up at the first visit of a chinese official in years.
Yeah Sky whats that look like?
build them in Adelaide fine but do not bring a reactor anywhere near Adelaide . We do not have the experts to manage it
Only the workers from Tonsley Park could pull it off.
We need a leader with foresight for the future decades. Dutton is the man
We couldn’t even build a conventional subs that was a disaster.
You ain’t building shit
Nonsense, every citizen builds one daily.
Misleading headline: We do not have the ability to build nuclear subs....maybe one day, but not anytime soon.
Bad luck go fix you destroyers getting 1 tapd no oneder people piss on usa these days
Oh well we will be the First Nation to do so . A first for us and the World .
Can you remind me how to safely dispose of nuclear waste?
And what do we do at Roxby Downs? Breed Glow in the Dark Chinchilla's?
Laughing out loud from France.
Nuclear? sorry think you forgot to adress a few problems with nuclear:
1. Human error and with the fast decline in intelligence this is sure to increase.
2. Earthquakes- no control and truly devastating to structures no matter how well built.
3. Waste - we already have a poor record on planning and dealing with that little problem and one look at the person who was working in the area in America that tells you how seriously that subject is taken!
4. The most disturbing of all aspects - one little balloon with one little detonator and 💥and that is for the structure and the waste!
!. thats why they are using passive safety options now 2. Australia doesn't have big Earthquakes(like 9+, ours what 3?) 3. your sorta right on this but wrong too the waste produced by old school reactors is little compared to coal ash waste(its toxic and radioactive) and renewable have bad toxic waste as well, two if we went with liquid fueled reactors instead of solid fueled reactors you go from ~1% burn up to over 90% burn up with the liquid fueled reactors so even less waste and 4. err what? a dirty bomb? Don't think any nuclear reactor has ever been blown up(yet outside of war i guess) so not an argument against them
If we use Greg Sheridan’s analogy there would have been no moon landing or exploration of oceans, blood transfusions, brain surgery etc etc etc
If no one has ever done it before than woe is me it may never happen or could never happen…
Thank god we have people of faith and foresight or nothing would happen ever…
Great point !!
Dan Andrews can build the reactor's
Let’s build the empire back up. Gettin the boys back together.
A nuclear reactor needs to be safe with no maintenance.
Because inspectors can be bought and funding can be cut.
Humans are too short sighted and given enough time safety standards will fall and funding will get cut and maintenance will not be carried out
Definitely not needed.
Hydrogen is out and I can't see why we don't make our own ❤
Is our democracy perfect?????
Whistleblower sentenced to 5 years jail for exposing alleged war crimes in Afghanistan, have the alleged War criminals faced any investigations ??
These submarines are a waste of taxpayer’s money. I’d rather see this money spent on nuclear power in lieu of hideous windmills.
The high cost is a deterrent but even just 1or 2 plants is a wise contingency
Ive got an idea we could store the nuclear waste at Byron Bay 😂
You are making Crocodile Dundee aka Paul Hogan turn in his grave with your idea, mate! Loved him
Yeah maybe eventaully we get a few warheads to go with them from us ever think of that?
Even Dutton is unsure of Queen Fudd's exact gender....he/she or it😂😂😂
Don't really have to have nuclear industry to have nuclear reactors can just import them, same with the subs should be just buying them its going to take to long to build them here to be worth it 2040s umm wft why bother...would need them in a few year to maybe early 2030s at latest..
How can we have nuke subs with a NO nuke policy.😊
We have a no nuclear power generation policy.🙄
We could have a state of the art steel industry and by saving all that land from solar panels we could plant pine trees and get a new timber industry for the housing market. SA and NT should band together and put the plant somewhere near the middle and start putting on our big boy pants and export our power and products to Wa and the eastern Australia. We have everything we need to prosper except cheap electricity
Both projects are stupid, but to choose the most expensive form of electricity is beyond nonsense.
Very Easy to Build the Sub.
It will be like having a Battery Operated Toy. Everytime we need something we will pay through the nose. 😆
Also looking at a train line to the airport in vic..😂
Australia should buy off the shelf, this is just taking far too long!
From whom ?
You don't have to worry about the subs Russias president visiting Nth Korea has put the AUKUS deal to bed.
Tt
It's all about America!!!
Why is it all about America? Our first sub and warship were built in UK and Scotland and so were other naval vessels since WW1, some have been built in Spain.
Was it all about UK, Scotland and Spain because we sourced naval vessels from those countries too?
nuclear submarine without a nuclear industry in the country ! at the cost of the Australia ta payer $368 billion dollars , PS ...can some one confirm this amount is in Aussie or US Dollars please ! I can't able to check / confirm this any were please .
MORE BS FROM BOTH SIDES.
😂we will be poorer in 10 yrs
Lberals destroyed the manufacturing industry.
Typical Labor, don’t worry about what the rest of the world know and does as they clearly are all wrong, Labor knows best 😂😂😂
It was the Liberals who stopped building Australia’s nuclear power plant at Jervis Bay.
Just an American poodle😂😂
Just take to Toyota service center 😅👍🇦🇺🇦🇺
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Nuclear subs need to be nuclear-armed if they are going to be a deterrent.
First we need nuclear power plants and then nuclear weapons. But then again we have too many woke green party supporters who will block roads and ports in protests 🤦
No, they are already a deterrent due to their speed and no need to surface to recharge batteries or enter a port to refuel, plus their endless range and ability to stay submerged for months at a time.
I'm looking forward to Peter Dutton being PM. As soon as Forest Gump is out of office along with his far left fruit's the better.
To the Australian fairdinkum people Says IAM that Iam Amen and Amen We will have Nuclear subs but No Nuclear to power these subs Says IAM that Iam Amen and amen
😊