I get mothers have an attachment to the baby while pregnant so a stillbirth/miscarriage is absolutely terrible to them. But can we please normalise supporting the fathers. It’s not just the woman losing a child, it’s both parents. Marie should be supporting her son AND daughter-in-law, but her mind immediately goes to comforting the woman. Men need emotional support just as much as women. I hope anyone who goes through this seeks support ❤
OA there are also surrogate Mother’s and if two Gay Males were wanting to adopt but their surrogate had a stillbirth. Do you think it’d be even sadder for the Father’s????? 😭😭😭😭😭💔💔💔💔💔
@@ChelseyLinden I never said it’s sadder I said BOTH should be supported as they are BOTH sad, so why ignore the father’s pain? Same-sex parents are different considering they are both the same gender which means no gender double standards can be made with the couple. Surrogates/donors also feel grief. It’s normal.
The acting in this storyline has been top tier! My heart is absolutely broken for Leela, Joel, Marie, and even Warren. No one deserves this pain. Those poor souls
the sad thing is for leela its not just acting, she actually went through this thats why at the end of the episode before this it said "in memory of penny leigh barber" , so if anything shes just reliving the entire thing
Kirsty is one very strong woman to willingly put herself back into this headspace after her own real life baby loss journey. I can't imagine how traumatic that likely got for her at times while filming. You can really see her channelling real feelings and experiences in these scenes and it broke my heart to see it. A strong woman and an incredible actress. Bravo. 💜
true, dads shld get the same amount of support as the mothers. i understand the mother probably feels it harder cause they have to carry the baby but i’m sure dads feel just as devastated.
They don't in real life either, my partner never got the support he needed after we lost our daughter, I was offered counselling straight away, its wrong men go through the pain of the loss too
Considering the entrance she had when she came to Hollyoaks, she’s really turned a corner and has been supportive when needed, Marie has really redeemed herself
Jamie Lomas (Joel's dad Warren) also suffered a baby loss 15 years ago. His son, Archie was born severely premature and then died within minutes of his birth.
@user-cd4zq4ry9k OA we know that. I think Starr Beatles was only just saying that this also happened to the actor who plays Warren Fox as a memory for him too.
@@ChelseyLindenI’m sure it did. His ex wife Kym Marsh who in was coronation street did a similar storyline which was equally heartbreaking. I’m sure those horrible memories came flooding back for him, it’s so awful and beyond unfair.
This wasn’t even acting… it was Kirsty reliving those horrible moments and giving man other people out there a glimpse into what really happens when a child is lost… she did such an amazing job and good on the show for highlighting such a still taboo subject…
I notice that everyone is backing Joel and rightfully so because he lost his son as well not just Leela. That being said, I think the only reason Joel stayed with Leela was because she was pregnant, I'm sure he does love her but I don't think he was ever in love with her. We all know he really wants to be with Cleo. On a side note, say whatever you want about Warren but he really loves and would do anything for his family.
I don’t think he’s in love with her either, if he really loved her then why did he kiss Cleo when he was drunk? I think he saw Leela as just a bit of fun if I’m being perfectly honest and the truth always comes out when you’re drunk as they say.
Feel so sorry forLeela and Joel loosing their baby😭But Joel is grieving too! It was an accident putting the blanket in there but he needs support and love too x
Jesus, I can’t even imagine losing a baby that far along in pregnancy, the baby would’ve been full-term by then and ready to be born, I am so sorry for your friend but I’m glad that she got her rainbow in the end
Since they stopped showing this show last Dec here in the US. I haven't been able to watch. But watching Joel and Leela. My heart breaks. I'm balling over here. Tearing me up
Oh my OA poor Joel and poor Leela this is so heartbreaking I’m so hurt this is really awful. I’m glad Marie was there to comfort and support Leela when she heard her crying upstairs I can tell she’s definitely hurting and I also am sorry for Kitty Leigh Porter’s loss of her baby Daughter poor thing really has been through a lot in her life as well. It was an accident when Joel put his blanket in the washing machine he didn’t know it was in there it’s so tragic seeing her sobbing in it I can’t imagine what it feels like for him and her this is really hurtful. Joel did the right thing going to his Father Warren for comfort and support (truthfully I wish he would’ve gone to Cleo or maybe Tony considering he too lost a baby Yeas ago with Mandy only that was different) still I hope Warren will be there for him to honor his loss. 😢
@@CherryBlossomBlyue OA no I really wish he would’ve gone to her and also Leela to Mercedes (even though it would’ve been awkward for both of them) either way I still am glad he went to his Father and Marie was there for Leela. ☺️
When someone loses a baby,you lash out at anyone, (i know because my first born died 3hours after she was born) yes joel is hurting too ,but eventually leela will come around to support joel she is hurting more because she carried the baby
My son was born at 28 weeks and 3 days and he died at 2 weeks old in the NICU. I'm glad that more people are talking about baby loss as its surprisingly common yet a subject people don't want to go near. I hope it shows how men need support in times like this too. It hurt my fiance just as much as me.
fs she is grieving and just saw her dead son blanket in the washing machine and took away hers on smell. She is lashing out which some people do not everyone grieves in the same space what you want her to do it is either that or lash out and hit him because he has anger and grieve. There is a thing called space
She wanted to do this storyline to raise awareness because it isn’t talked about enough, there still seems to be a taboo around talking about deceased babies
Bravo! Moral of the story: Rather be a writer and live through the emotions for 30 mins of writing these heavy scenes than play them out day in and out as an actor on a soap. Much respect for the craft. ✊ PS: Anyone know the name of the South African actress who's the spitting image of this one: 8:10?
@@tracyjacob7091How tho, I completely understand if the blanket was wrapped around the baby how she wouldn't want it to be washed, however how does the blanket smell like the baby when she hasn't birthed it yet, I'm confused cause she is still pregnant isn't she, unless I've missed something.
@@ChelseyLinden Cleo and Joel relationship is a shambles fs how many times do they break up and get back together if you keep breaking up with the same person guess what that means your relationship ain't ever going to work or you wouldn't keep breaking up
@@grantmcroberts4089 OA they keep doing the same thing with Eric and Nicole. I’m not fond of those two anymore but I don’t care what other People say I will always be #TeamCleoJ Grant. ☺️☺️☺️☺️☺️
i feel so so so bad for joel he literally didn’t have his mum cause she was with leela but i get leela is greiving but so is joel and it’s so sweet to see joel go to warren my heart full on breaks when he starts crying x
I get mothers have an attachment to the baby while pregnant so a stillbirth/miscarriage is absolutely terrible to them. But can we please normalise supporting the fathers. It’s not just the woman losing a child, it’s both parents. Marie should be supporting her son AND daughter-in-law, but her mind immediately goes to comforting the woman. Men need emotional support just as much as women.
I hope anyone who goes through this seeks support ❤
OA there are also surrogate Mother’s and if two Gay Males were wanting to adopt but their surrogate had a stillbirth. Do you think it’d be even sadder for the Father’s????? 😭😭😭😭😭💔💔💔💔💔
@@ChelseyLinden I never said it’s sadder I said BOTH should be supported as they are BOTH sad, so why ignore the father’s pain? Same-sex parents are different considering they are both the same gender which means no gender double standards can be made with the couple. Surrogates/donors also feel grief. It’s normal.
@@Yi-Zhu.Lou. OA I’m not saying that at all I’m just saying it as an example even if they’re the same Gender. 😔
@@ChelseyLinden Why do you always have to bring up something completely unrelated and inappropriate to this heartbreaking storyline.
@@gunnyo50 OA do I have to explain it to someone like you? No.
The acting in this storyline has been top tier! My heart is absolutely broken for Leela, Joel, Marie, and even Warren. No one deserves this pain. Those poor souls
the sad thing is for leela its not just acting, she actually went through this thats why at the end of the episode before this it said "in memory of penny leigh barber" , so if anything shes just reliving the entire thing
It's a shame 😭
@animator2k yeah I know which makes me feel her pain even more. She's so brave for going through this trauma again
Kirsty is one very strong woman to willingly put herself back into this headspace after her own real life baby loss journey. I can't imagine how traumatic that likely got for her at times while filming. You can really see her channelling real feelings and experiences in these scenes and it broke my heart to see it.
A strong woman and an incredible actress. Bravo. 💜
He’s grieving too where is his support 😢. He just made a huge mistake and who is there to comfort him
OA at least he has his Father Warren.
His dad is and Norma too
@@mackenziemiller33 Exactly.
true, dads shld get the same amount of support as the mothers. i understand the mother probably feels it harder cause they have to carry the baby but i’m sure dads feel just as devastated.
They don't in real life either, my partner never got the support he needed after we lost our daughter, I was offered counselling straight away, its wrong men go through the pain of the loss too
Poor Joel, dads need support too
That’s what I’ve been thinking
@@ameliarose8822same here he felt like he did something wrong
She’s just angry
Exactly
He does, but both of them don’t know how to support each other. I don’t think leela meant to shout at him
I absolutely love Marie in all of this. Shes been so amazing supporting both Leelya and Joel 😊
She’s gone up in my estimations. I thought she would be a nightmare of a character but I’ve really warmed to her, she seems genuinely lovely.
Complete opposite of Roxy Mitchell (who Rita Simons played in Eastenders 2007-2017)
@@abbiehlucy she is my fave hope Joel and Leela make it though this .
Considering the entrance she had when she came to Hollyoaks, she’s really turned a corner and has been supportive when needed, Marie has really redeemed herself
She's like Donna-Marie. Wasn't too much of a sympathetic character to begin with but then really redeemed herself
Jamie Lomas (Joel's dad Warren) also suffered a baby loss 15 years ago. His son, Archie was born severely premature and then died within minutes of his birth.
I didn’t know that. Poor thing. You think this brought back memories for him too?????
@user-cd4zq4ry9k OA we know that. I think Starr Beatles was only just saying that this also happened to the actor who plays Warren Fox as a memory for him too.
@@ChelseyLindenI’m sure it did. His ex wife Kym Marsh who in was coronation street did a similar storyline which was equally heartbreaking. I’m sure those horrible memories came flooding back for him, it’s so awful and beyond unfair.
@@abbiehlucy OA way way beyond unfair. 😭😭😭😭😭💔💔💔💔💔
@deb9631 OA no worries. ☺️☺️☺️☺️☺️
This wasn’t even acting… it was Kirsty reliving those horrible moments and giving man other people out there a glimpse into what really happens when a child is lost… she did such an amazing job and good on the show for highlighting such a still taboo subject…
poor joel and leela, my heart breaks for anyone that has had to experience this kind of pain irl.
I notice that everyone is backing Joel and rightfully so because he lost his son as well not just Leela. That being said, I think the only reason Joel stayed with Leela was because she was pregnant, I'm sure he does love her but I don't think he was ever in love with her. We all know he really wants to be with Cleo. On a side note, say whatever you want about Warren but he really loves and would do anything for his family.
OA I have mixed feelings about Warren Fox and I’m not fond that he’s making Ste sell drugs when he just lost a Grandson. 😭😭😭😭😭💔💔💔💔💔
I don’t think he’s in love with her either, if he really loved her then why did he kiss Cleo when he was drunk? I think he saw Leela as just a bit of fun if I’m being perfectly honest and the truth always comes out when you’re drunk as they say.
@@Rebecca_Bailey OA exactly. This is why I still and always ship #CleoJ.
the mum always take it hardest they carry the baby and give brith to the baby ,
@@MichelleLohde-uv2rx Nobody was disputing that, all we were saying was a father deserves compassion and support too.
They do need support too but I can’t blame her for acting that way at first she will calm down soon just an awful mistake x
R.I.P baby Noah.😢
Poor things they really must be going through a lot. 😢
My days im crying. This is so so so for both of them😢😢😢😢😢❤️❤️❤️ really hope they will get support both
poor joel and leela 🥺 1:59
I agree, but it is a good storyline .they have a good job told
Especially when it already happened to leela in real life
@@phillipbates9587 they gonna put Joel and cleo back together ?.
Literally bawling my eyes out 😭
this is a parents worst nightmare (so sad)
It's really heartbreaking none of this should be going threw any of it at all its not far
I hope that they can work things out they need each other
Poor joel it was an acsident this has been hard 2 watch this happend to one of my friends a few years ago
I’m sorry for your Friend’s loss.
Shes angry at the world
@@Calaveraqueen24 OA she seems like it. 😔😔😔😔😔
Feel so sorry forLeela and Joel loosing their baby😭But Joel is grieving too! It was an accident putting the blanket in there but he needs support and love too x
My friend lost her baby at 39 weeks in 2022 she’s just had her rainbow baby I saw how much it broke her
Omg at 39 weeks 😢😢😢! I feel so horrible for your friend. I'm glad she has her rainbow baby now❤️🩹
Jesus, I can’t even imagine losing a baby that far along in pregnancy, the baby would’ve been full-term by then and ready to be born, I am so sorry for your friend but I’m glad that she got her rainbow in the end
The struggle to watch this 😫 😢 i hope they both heal from this
Since they stopped showing this show last Dec here in the US. I haven't been able to watch. But watching Joel and Leela. My heart breaks. I'm balling over here. Tearing me up
Same I wish they bring it back 😭😭😭
@@firozecooper5368Good news Hollyoaks is available nationwide on RUclips since Monday only a week behind the UK airing.
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Oh my OA poor Joel and poor Leela this is so heartbreaking I’m so hurt this is really awful. I’m glad Marie was there to comfort and support Leela when she heard her crying upstairs I can tell she’s definitely hurting and I also am sorry for Kitty Leigh Porter’s loss of her baby Daughter poor thing really has been through a lot in her life as well. It was an accident when Joel put his blanket in the washing machine he didn’t know it was in there it’s so tragic seeing her sobbing in it I can’t imagine what it feels like for him and her this is really hurtful. Joel did the right thing going to his Father Warren for comfort and support (truthfully I wish he would’ve gone to Cleo or maybe Tony considering he too lost a baby Yeas ago with Mandy only that was different) still I hope Warren will be there for him to honor his loss. 😢
Can you please shut up about the oa its getting on my nerves.
@@KrisPowell-Blue_Forevercome on, leave them alone. Nobody forces you to read their comments and leave a mean reply
@@TheMissileHappy OA exactly.
Yeah Cleo is probably the wrong person to go too
@@CherryBlossomBlyue OA no I really wish he would’ve gone to her and also Leela to Mercedes (even though it would’ve been awkward for both of them) either way I still am glad he went to his Father and Marie was there for Leela. ☺️
When someone loses a baby,you lash out at anyone, (i know because my first born died 3hours after she was born) yes joel is hurting too ,but eventually leela will come around to support joel she is hurting more because she carried the baby
1:50 Peri hugging Leela!!
She does have a heart😂😂
My son was born at 28 weeks and 3 days and he died at 2 weeks old in the NICU. I'm glad that more people are talking about baby loss as its surprisingly common yet a subject people don't want to go near. I hope it shows how men need support in times like this too. It hurt my fiance just as much as me.
I’m so sorry for your loss
It’s so sad x
Lexiestephens318 WD i know. 😢
I'm sorry as sorry as I feel for Leela she is dead wrong for kicking him out. She's not the only one grieving
absolutely she shouldn't have kicked him out , that was leanne basttersby behaviour
fs she is grieving and just saw her dead son blanket in the washing machine and took away hers on smell. She is lashing out which some people do not everyone grieves in the same space what you want her to do it is either that or lash out and hit him because he has anger and grieve. There is a thing called space
@grantmcroberts4089 it's not like he did it on purpose
@@eileeneicw2802 yeah exactly it was an accident we all make mistakes
Poor Joel
Omg this got crying 😢
Omg it's so interesting seeing Rita and Glynis together in another show
Maire and Warren gives Joel and Leela to comfort terms of loss baby Noah
Poor leela worse of all it happen to her in real life too
Also happened to Jamie lomas who plays Warren and his then partner kym Marsh in 2009.
She wanted to do this storyline to raise awareness because it isn’t talked about enough, there still seems to be a taboo around talking about deceased babies
Leela i will support you every step of way i Wish Cameron could be there for Leela
So Sad 😢
So sad poor Joel an Leela
This so reminds me of losing my own son 17 years ago..
What was it that joal found tho in the bag before it cut to leela it was like a white container thing or something
she does need support but who's supporting him the dads get overlooked he lost a baby too
Poor Joel. 😭
Nice to see Rita Simmons.
Rita and Gkynis in the same show
So sad 💔💔💔💔
Bravo! Moral of the story: Rather be a writer and live through the emotions for 30 mins of writing these heavy scenes than play them out day in and out as an actor on a soap. Much respect for the craft. ✊
PS: Anyone know the name of the South African actress who's the spitting image of this one: 8:10?
8:58 where was he meant to sleep just know if we live together then no sorry but I'm not going anywhere
I feel very sorry for the Dexter and fox family
Oh Joel and Leela.
Who is Roxy on playing? Haven’t watched in years.
Poor Peri
😢😢😢😢😢
She’s just angry at the world its grief
Omg this so sad 😢
Why this was in my recommended I don’t know 🤷🏻♀️ but my goodness , I’m blubbering right now, what superb acting by all concerned …
Warren is going to go into a rage when he finds norma
He lost 3 family in a few months
😢😢
OA I know it’s hurting me too. 😢
And Ste Hay could be there for Leela as well
Whatt leela and Joel?!? Long time I haven’t watched this lol
😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢
When should mercedes be due?
Why is she angry at him for putting Noah's blanket in the wash or is the grieving talking?
5:04 WD poor Kirsty #Hollyoaks #All4!😢
who blanket was it
her dead son’s
I wish American soaps were good
Before hollyoaks was just killing off hunter and Lizzie now hollyoaks is killing off babies toooo faarrrrr
I don't understand why is she upset that he washed it?
The blanket contained the baby’s smell , the machine washed his scent away .
What happnes
What mistake?because he washed a suffering blanket She's psthetic
she lost her child so she not in the right mind. you sound like the type of person to kick a puppy
The blanket was wrapped around the baby,so she could smell him on it ,it sentimental
@@tracyjacob7091How tho, I completely understand if the blanket was wrapped around the baby how she wouldn't want it to be washed, however how does the blanket smell like the baby when she hasn't birthed it yet, I'm confused cause she is still pregnant isn't she, unless I've missed something.
@@Crazy_Witchy she had to give birth the other day
Don’t call someone pathetic when they’re grieving and not in the right headspace….thats gross
Hope Cleo doesn't take advantage of this situation 😢
OA I’m actually hoping she does.
@@ChelseyLinden Cleo and Joel relationship is a shambles fs how many times do they break up and get back together if you keep breaking up with the same person guess what that means your relationship ain't ever going to work or you wouldn't keep breaking up
@@grantmcroberts4089 OA they keep doing the same thing with Eric and Nicole. I’m not fond of those two anymore but I don’t care what other People say I will always be #TeamCleoJ Grant. ☺️☺️☺️☺️☺️
i feel so so so bad for joel he literally didn’t have his mum cause she was with leela but i get leela is greiving but so is joel and it’s so sweet to see joel go to warren my heart full on breaks when he starts crying x