They both have their perks. I have an electric kit simply because I live in a condo. Kinda nice to be able to plug in headphones and know that I'm not pissing off my neighbors
A couple hundred dollars could get a gas powered generator. Instant power. You could play your drums on a rowboat in the middle of the ocean if you wanted.
if you add up the cost of a good acoustic kit, good hardware, good cymbals, good mics, mic stands, cables, you are going to spend more on an acoustic kit.
If you're not gigging or recording then you just need the kit, cymbals, and hardware and you save a bunch. They feel great but are so frickin loud. That is the big downside.
My first kit was an electric kit it was a roland just over 1900 and my second kit was a pearl export acoustic with zildjian k custom cymbols and a pearl double bass pedal and all my hardware it all added up to just shy of 1900
A good drum kit will most likely last me my whole life time and beyond ! Not sure if electronic kits are at the point where I could say the same? And I don’t need to pay a fortune for a shell that will last! yamahas mid range kits like the stage customs are tanks !
I think the audio experience is much better with electric drums because of the difficulty of getting that acoustic set to sound the way we are accustomed to hearing them from studio recordings.
Lol serisuly the 80s had electrics guitars and used old acoustic drums and the sounds they made were epic now it sounds like shit with mordern electric guitars because the sound tone is tuned and it sounds different too be honest it would suck if I had to listen to a legend like queen and have his songs redone with mordern equipment it would probably make me cry because it's killing the orignal the orignal will always be better it's not a drum if it does not go bang bang it's the feels the nostalgia of real talent
Well if he has both then obviously he prefers acoustics for live work and electric for recording and practicing, as he said he uses them. No one minds if you make too much noise on the stage.
It sounds good when you hear about having thousands of sounds on the electronic kit until you realize that a lot of the presets are just thrown in for the bragging rights and don't sound good. When I play my bandmate's $1,500 set for rehearsal, he has 50 presets and I had to make a hybrid of three to get the only usable kit combination. Not to mention the lack of dynamic contrast (even on the most sensitive pads the market has). With acoustic drums, the dynamic contrast, tuning, technique, different heads, different cymbals, and their infinite surface area gives infinite possibilities not limited to the manufacturer. Not that I hate electronic drums, they have practical application. They just aren't very practical for anything I use them for. If you want to play anything with a human feel with perplexing rudimental passages, any dynamics, or pull multiple pieces of sound out of a single piece of percussion, then definitely go with acoustic drums. Electronic drums are made for simplifying things, but ultimately need a lot of care to make them practical for studio or live use. they deserve the same amount of attention as acoustic drums in practicing and musical understanding before making musical ideas that are cohesive and interesting. The different presets make them worth an investment if you play tons of styles and use sounds you physically don't have access to. But ultimately, the music I create needs the human feel to make it stand out. I'll go acoustic every time.
You shouldve mentioned the feel and response of an electronic kit is very different. and how you said its a hassle to record acoustic drums and buy mics, sure they might be an expense but its soooo worth it cause it sounds soo amazing! And its just keeping it real and authentic you know.
Ben Gosling also, GREAT difference between the TD-10 and TD-12 (versions before this one), read: something you can actually afford to buy at around 3,000 back then, as a floor model, possibly. I dislike the cymbals and high hat non-responsiveness. My friends earlier TD-12 has a GREAT high hat. Very responsive and doesn't physically move, so that means you could be insanely fast. They changed it to mine, which sucks. I've been fighting to get it right since I bought it. Yes, we're using worthy pedals. All DW. The feel between them is like a totally different instrument, also. My other 2 are Sakae Pac-D and Vistalite. Big kit hardest to play (big drums=harder to be fast), but minimal maintenance on either. Ludwigs have those horrible floor tom legs which don't always work. For a price difference of almost 2,000, the Sakae floor tom legs have never made the drum fall over. After V-drums, there really IS no substitute. The small e drum kits sound ok while you're on them, but even Yamaha sounds atrocious from across the room. And they have extremely cheap pedals that have a nasty feel. Roland always sound great from anywhere. They're just too expensive now, at about 5,000 for the full size kit, and now they made them huge, which makes them as stupidly hard to move as a big acoustic kit. They don't need to be big in diameter. Don't get too wasted to play and aim your stick; work on stick control! Electronically, they're not beautifully made inside. It's more 3 pounds of poo in a 2 lb bag, as I hear it. You'll probably need an electronic rebuild between 10-15 years, unless you leave it in basement, attic or garage, which is a bad idea and make that much sooner. They can be hard to fix once screwed up, so use them often (bad stuff happens to things you don't use), and don't leave/use them in any damp place.
I agree with you Justin, on most all the points. I have owned (at one time) EVERY SINGLE electronic drum module put out by Yamaha and Roland since 1997. (I'm currently on TD30 like you, and I'm not giving it up for anything) Biggest difficulty for an electronic drummer, is how the sound is *SO MUCH* dependent on the PA system you are playing through. Sound coming out of the headphone is heavenly. but the sound you hear on the PA system can vary so much. Acoustic set *always* makes sound on its own, so this discrepancy isn't that big. You place microphones around the kit and amplify them, but the sound always gets "overlaid" with raw acoustic sound + processed amplified sound. But E Drums are different in this aspect. You hear 100% of the synthesized & amplified sound. Therefore, so much depends on the quality of PA system, stage monitor/FOH setup, and the caliber of sound engineers. I can guarantee that 90% of people will not be able to distinguish E-drum sound VS. acoustic sound on recording, if you do a true blind test. Properly recorded and processed, they will both sound fantastic. I couldn't say this 20 years ago with my first drum kit TD-5. But since TD-12/20, it's virtually the same.
I agree about the PA problem. I even made a video about that. You have an incredibly impressive collection of modules. I have played most electronic drums made since 2002. Roland td30 beats them all by a lot. And none can tell a recording of that module apart from an acoustic.
I agree that "properly recorded and processed" most people won't be able to tell the difference, but if I'm just jamming out with friends in my garage, there is quite a big difference. Accoustic drums sound much more organic. It's harder to get a "dirty" sound out of an accoustic kit.
Logic Pro x, man. It's incredible. Hook your module to your interface or computer via USB and you have so many "acoustic" kits to choose from and they sound amazing. You can hook whatever speakers through your interface and it sounds top notch.
I like your video and especially the noise problem is a reason for me to practice with e-drums. I only disagree with the fact that electronics like pads and I-phones are expensive because of their components. The components of a PDX-100 cost Roland approximately 20$ including production. The rest is marketing and retailer costs. Same for the iphone, the electronic parts itself is getting cheaper and cheaper. Still the best e-drum company:)
You may be right about that. If that is the case, then one reason their cost is so high, must be product development. Roland Modules do not use samples, computer code makes the sounds. The work that goes into the modules makes the price high. And you are right about marketing. They spend alot of money on sending drummers around to different stores, making product videos. Johnny Rabb a couple years ago, and now Craig Blundell is the front man for roland drums. But most of all, they must have large profit margins.
dude i work in the semiconductor industry cost of raw materials for the component- 1 to 5% cost of production of the component 10-15% cost of DESIGN of the component 80 to 895 marketing and retailer costs are maybe 5 to 15% there is a lot of engineering and brainpower that goes into designing this stuff
As someone who has owned and used both, I'd say there's a time and a place for both. I think it's good for a drummer to be familiar with both, just like I think it's good for a drummer to learn a second instrument besides drums (for me it's synths and soon banjo). The main issue with electronic drums is that if you want one that sounds good and feels like the real thing you need to pay an arm and a leg.
As someone who is looking to get into drums myself but also encourage my son to consider drums when choosing an instrument, it seems like inspiration is everything; so that visceral feeling of beating something and it really breathing is probably more important than the tone because he ears won't even know the difference. I think I've known that all alone but wanted to find someone would would say it themselves. Most people don't mention inspiration to keep playing. It can sound good but if you're not having fun playing and don't feel motivated to play then it doesn't matter how good it sounds because you won't be playing enough.
Electronic drums aren't for everyone. I started on acoustic and then switch to electronic. If you want to start him off on acoustic drums, that would work fine. And some people find more inspiration from acoustic. I just got tired of its limitations.
Everything you said about each drum set is true, but one thing that i like about acoustic drums is that you get your own feel from it. You don't need to twist a knob to change your volume, you can just play any style of music on acoustic kits. You get your own dynamics, feel, sound and everything. And you can tune the drums to your desired sound. Buying electronic drums is kinda like cheating in a way, you're cheating to get a better sound, whereas acoustic kits you can find your own sound. Great video by the way! It has really helped me make a choice. I already have an acoustic kit and it looks, feels and sounds great!
well, with the TD 30 KV VPRO the scenario changes... the articulation and dynamic range allows you to get the feel you want without touching a knob... but that's for me... try it out... let me know how it goes.
I actually Own A Roland TD30K and I've played the KV version twice. And yes the dynamic range is good but its not perfect. I love electronic drums, they have many strengths. But that is one area they haven't perfected yet.
I can´t decide which necause if i have acoustic drums they are way too loud and it will be heard everywhere in the house and it will be annoying the neighbours but i want that feeling with acoustic drums and electronic drums make less noise,it costs less because an acoustic drum can break,tear but electronic drum can not break(they can but...) and i dont know which because i want to have that drum feeling but i do not want to make so much noise help someone, and i looked at some drums and the price is almost qual so i dont know :(
Hey man im a guitarist and i wanna start playing drums. I'm planning to buy edrums. Where does the sound come from? does it have an amplifier? sorry im a newbie
Its all good man! The pads connect to the drum module. The drum module has a quarter inch output just like a guitar that you can plug into an amp, or a direct box
great video. In my band we started to use edrums from a couple of years now and rehearsals are way better I have to say. It's great to work on the details and you don't feel your ears exhausted after a long session.
This is a long video.. But it's super helpful. You earned a subscriber sir! I prefer acoustic kits firstly because of the sound the feel and the looks.. I have neighbors but i'm not in an apartment.. What do you recommend for me.. Because e drums can still make that annoying slap sound.. If i chose an acoustic i can still buy some silencer such as remo silenstrokes.. What do you recommend??
Acoustic but for practice nothing beats an electronic kit for working out song arrangements, solo patterns etc and they can be played at any hour of the night
Good job Justin...I have both....but the different sounds you can express from cymbals it is impossible from electric ones.......and hi hats......they are two diifferent world.....
Thanks for doing these videos - Could you take a minute and answer a question: did you start on acoustic? For example I started with the DM6 for fun and home jamming, but maybe acoustic drum training would be a good step (and fairly cheap) in order to really appreciate and get more out of something like the TD30.
I played acoustic for 4-5 years before switching to edrums I think its best to learn on acoustics so you can really get a feel for the dynamic range. But its not a must.
dude why didnt you buy drum triggers and cymbals and convert you acoustic drum set to electronics saves a lot of money and space plus you can take the triggers off and play acoustically when you want
Hi thanks for sharing the video. Could you comment on expanding the electronic kit. I understand that the sound library is extensive on these....but how do you extend it to the physical kit, which has so few pads. I like the sound of a splash for instance. How would i add more hardware. Thanks much!
It's very easy. Go to a website like www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/CY8?adpos=1o1&creative=55268757241&device=m&matchtype=&network=g&gclid=CPuPj821wcQCFQ6OaQod7w0Ayg they sell the drum and cymbal pads separately. All you have to do is buy an extra electronic cymbal, a quarter inch cable, and a cymbal stand. Then run the cable from the cymbal to the back of the module. The module has inputs for extra pads. You can add a couple extra cymbals this way. But, There is a limit to how many pads you can plug into the module. If you want the drum kit to have 5 cymbals and 5 toms, then you will have to use more than one module.
The problem with playing cricket noises and the like on the drums and cymbals is that we see each part of a kit as a separate instrument with a certain type of response, to be played in a certain way. It's just not natural unless you're playing sounds that match the parts of the kit. It starts feeling flippant, like it's a toy. IMO it's better to add a multipad for drumsticks to your kit for those kind of sounds (and maybe even loops and patterns). The even response and placement of the pads makes a multipad feel like a general purpose instrument that's okay for almost anything, you don't get the same kind of strange sensation.
Thank you for your well informed and coherent videos. You have excellent balanced viewpoints and thought out explanations. You have helped me decide on my e-drum experience.
I currently have acoustic drums and something that is nice is not needing any power to play. Unless I'm listening in headphones to my drum mics through my mixer. The mixer uses very little power. And I play along with CD player or into phone or laptop. I record with a tascom pocket studio it uses 4 AA batteries. I use rechargeable and swap one set in charger and other to use. I used to have electronic drums and you can do a lot more with it. Sounds, not having to tune or change heads, portable. It's a real pain to pack up acoustic set, put in car, drive then unpack and set up. Guitar players are done in 5 min and could spend a lot more time tuning. Didn't mention you need a drum and to hear.
Thanks for the great video. As a beginner, I wonder whether the smaller size of drums is an advantage or a disadvantage. I tend to think it's an advantage, because you can fit more in the same amount of space, and if you learn to play on an electric drumkit, you won't have much trouble hitting pads the right way. But obviously a larger drum is an easier target.
Thanks for the video- just bought a Roland TD 11K after playing acoustic kits for over 30 years. I had to make this choice based on recent living changes. I miss playing acoustic kits but these e-kits have come along way since the 80's.
Bill Edwards yeah, the cymbals don't suck anymore! Back then, they didn't play cymbals at all or used real ones:) Sunglasses at Night Jack and Diane (until big fill) Total Eclipse of the Heart Mad Max I think also: Phil Collins til big fill on In the Air Tonite and also Trading Places soundtrack to start.
Finally, an intelligent opinion on electronic vs. acoustic drum kits. I also have the td 30 and it is amazing. But I would also like to get an acoustic kit to go along with my electronic kit. I used to have a seven piece Peal but it was stolen from a recording studio. I died a little inside when that happened. Once again great video.
Lee Jones Thank You Lee! Ouch! Thats a hard hit. I love acoustic drums. I hope you can get another set. Yeah I tried to be balanced in this video. I love both acoustic and electric. But for me, electric drums are more convenient (for me and the sound man), and they dont need to constantly be tuned, and have heads replaced. But I still love my acoustic set.
I've been using electronic kits off and on since the 80s, from the original Simmons setups. The main reason is the control it gives me over the live sound, where I can re-create a consistent quality sound night after night,, especially in regard to cymbals. A guy I worked with years ago said he found that acoustic cymbals were always the problem; he said they resonate at frequencies that can mess with the vocals and have a tendency to really wash all over the stage. I'll admit I thought this was just Diva-speak, until we tried using electronics, and the difference in the vocals was instantly noticeable. Add to this the large range of add-on packs you can buy through people like Drum-Tec, and it's a no-brainer. Their Yamaha Stage Custom kit has become my default kit of choice, and that expansion pack cost me £25 for 29 beautifully sampled kits including Sonor, Pearl and Ayotte. That said, I still think you get a far greater range of nuance and subtlety from any type of acoustic kit that would require you to shell out £3-5K to even come close electronically. Give 'em a try...
I'm not a drummer, but electronic drums just seem a bit fake to me. Obviously if I had drumming experience I might appreciate more the practicalities of electronic sets, but to me acoustics do sound better and above all else are the real thing, which means a lot to me.
I see what you mean, and acoustic drums do sound better than the majority of edrums. Just remember a quality set of electronic drums can sound pretty darn good too. Here's how my set sounds: ruclips.net/video/u8fPy1d6Rn4/видео.html
I like the points you brought up, especially one I did not consider which was weather. I know tuning is a bear on an acoustic vs. an electric, but I forgot how weather factors in. Looks are a big factor, and I like sitting behind the kit, but the electronic route has become a better choice for me right now. Foremost, my kit is in my garage and I cannot even get to it as of late because I have had to move so much crap in my cramped 1 CAR space. And since it is in my garage, and the way our places are situated, my common wall is right up against my neighbors two bedrooms, so obviously jamming at 2AM is out. Portability is a double factor for me, not only just picking it up and going BUT when I have to go to work, I can just pick it up and lock it in my trunk. I have actually ordered Yamaha's DD-65, because ONE I cannot afford an electronic like the set you have (but will want one eventually for better flexibility) and two, it is a really small footprint and that's really important. It will also allow me to practice more then I could with my Remo acoustic kit. and from the videos, the DD-65 is a nice trade-off all around.You mentioned the ability to use your TD-30 for all the different sounds, hopefully I can get that kind of functionality (even if it is small) since the DD-65 has midi in/out. It's kind of funny you mentioned Neil Peart's set up, because it made me think about when I played at guitar centers drum off this year, they had us use a DW acoustic set and also if we wanted, a roland Octapad if we wanted. Sorry this rambling on, your video was helpful, thanks!
Your vedio was very helpfull It helped me decide what drums to get I have acustic but the times I have to practice and the neighbors I going with electronic drums
Good comments about the ability to play quietly ( headphones, neighbors, etc). I have a good vdrum kit and love it. BUT I'm mostly jealous of acoustic cymbals. Dynamics, range of sounds, feel, etc.....just not there yet on the vdrums.
The ability to hook it up to your computer and daw (logic x) and just get a beat and rhythm down is truly amazing and sounds great. Also it won't wake the baby!
I am double + your age and a guitar player and bass player (pro) but have a drummer's soul. I have toured as a drummer with Roots/Blues acts ..... but got rid of my acoustic set years ago. I just bought a Roland TD11KV and love it. This was a great idea for a video - saying things that need to be said. As much as we all love "wood"...... Electronic drums are the future. Thanks!
If i would put my acoustic drums in my garage (there is coming a outside wind in my garage) would that effect my drumsset? and if i would put a radiator in my garage would it than still effect my drumstel?
The only real pros iv found with an electric kit is that you can change the samples and play stuff like dubstep and do a bunch of cool stuff lol, and the fact that you can play at 3 am with headphones and not wake your neighbors. other than that I prefer acoustic.
I generally only recommend Alesis if you are on a tight budget. If you were to buy one, I would get the dm10 mesh. Just remember, their sounds are not very good, so I recommend hooking the module to your laptop and running a drum software like EZdrummer for quality sound. I like Roland and Yamaha more, but Alesis is a quality low cost brand.
as much as I like my dtx 400k I once played with an acoustic drum kit and I can't stop thing about it since! In my opinion acoustic drums are better because of the feeling you get when you play them and for me That's the most important ( great video btw :) )
Very true, I agree. But I need to point out the DTX400k is a beginner drumset, so its not really a fair comparison. But I totally get what you mean :) :)
I haven't played that exact kit, but I've played at least a half a dozen different other Roland kits so I can give some general thoughts on it. That module is from an older kit I've played. It's last gen Roland tech. So the sound isn't something like what you'd get out of a td11. As for the rubber pads? I like Roland's rubber pads. I like the way rubber pads feel. But they are more bouncy, louder, and they generally don't feel as good as mesh or silicon pads. The kit is at a good price point, and is very portable. Not a bad kit. It's small and aimed toward musicians who need ultimate portability. I think it's biggest flaw is its module. It's very customizable but the sounds are all last generation Roland. I would save up a few more bucks and buy the Roland td11, but you need to try to the kit for yourself to know for sure what you need. Hope that helped -Justin
Justin Greenawalt Thanks a lot for the response. Actually yes, after some research now I'm thinking more about the Roland TD-11K. It's more expensive but it has better sounds, mash head snare, and the stand is customizable and upgradable. And your advise for the td11 confirms that as well. Every time I try to cheap out on something, I end up regretting my choice. Thanks again and cheers :)
A lot of people think electronic drum are more expensive in which in some cases it is.......but think about all of the cymbals that you have to buy over and over, the heads that break, the hardware that you have to buy, the list goes on So basically with electronic drums you kinda just pay a lot once and your good but acoustic just seems like and endless piece of work to me
+sticks45 That can be true. Especially and also you don't have to buy half the sticks you used to because that don't break as much. But if your drums have mesh heads, you will have to replace them every once in a while too.
add the drum microphones to acoustic sets and the cost just piles up even further. When the kit needs to be assembled/reassembled regularly, the electronic kit really has a big advantage.
So many of you guys are missing the point completely. Edrums are not acoustic just as acoustic are not edrums. They are a different animal and so need to be approached in a new and unique way. I hav'nt used an acoustic kit in 30 years and would never go back to one.
I had to sell my acoustic set, unfortunately. Now, I really want an electronic set because of the versatility you can take beyond drumming. And no offense but I use to hate tuning my acoustic set. Play an acoustic set will seem pretty cool.
Marcus McKinney I've only had them go badly out of tune during the rain. Other than that, it's nothing to tune, it's just very tiny modifications, for me. Also had every drum tuning BS gimmick, like my ears better, once I got used to what "drum tuned" sounds like. and B, use acrylic drums. They don't give a damn if it rains, Lol!
The difference is the transition between sounds, you miss the natural transition with digital drums, a digital cymbal does not "grow" naturally, it is still sample based, and one can use as many velocity layers from here to the moon and it still sounds fake in certain areas, especially for jazz.
I want to get a starter kit to learn on, but my parents wont let me get something so noisy. They say the only option I have is an eset, so what do I do? I just can say right off the bat that without even touching the eKit, it feels wrong.
You shouldn't say "it feels wrong" before you even touch it. People said the same thing about acoustic pianos vs electric keyboards back in the day. But they got over it. Go to a large music store like Sam Ash, or Guitar Center. Those stores have at least a half a dozen ekits you can try. And Do some research online. But I'd say that a edrumset is better than no drumset. If you get an ekit now, maybe you can get an acoustic kit later. Just don't get a crappy ekit. I have a video about the best inexpensive drumsets on my channel, check it out.
I have TDK 17 VX love them also have an acoustic kit difference is there's a cut off with dynamics e drums at the top end the sound of the acoustic is much wider with no sharp cut off the harder you strike, edrums are great fun and have great recording facilities, play along and loads of built in coaching tricks but performing on stage acoustic for me
I used to play on an electronic for the purpose of keeping quiet but once I got my first acoustic drum kit from learning I can use silencers, I fell in love ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
I have a Yamaha DTX 500K drum kit. I absolutely love it. I also play the acoustic drums at my university. I love both. As for me, the feel of the acoustic and electronic drums are very similar actually. I just prefer the electronic drum kit for the flexibility. The tons of different sounds and different kits installed. Also tons of practice songs. And no one has to know you're practising.
i would rather buy a electric drum set just because im worried if its too loud (for me). But then getting an acoustic is like half the price and it looks better
I have a TD20 with a bunch of different pads that I cannibalized so that I can travel with, an SPD-S, and the Nord Drum 2. If it is a question of either or, I would take acoustic any day in a studio or gig... the dynamics are greater and the rebounds are truer... To be fair, I brought my TD20(when it was still complete) to an audition and I threw my back out pretty badly mostly due to the rebound issue. In the studio, electronic drums make it easier for the producer to record and manipulate your playing especially if they record both the audio outs, midi and such. But my biggest problem with electric was the waste of time my guitarist and singer spent on telling me which sounds I should play, especially switching kits on the fly in mid song is a bit obnoxious especially in rehearsal or on the gig. That been said. I do like using the Nord Drum 2 in addition to my acoustic kit using the Aquarian Inhead on the snare and a roland kick drum trigger to get those weird spacey noises. I hope that helps others... :)
Sounds like you have an interesting setup. Yeah, but be tough on those band mates. If you don't tell the guitar player to use more distortion, then they shouldn't tell you what drum sounds to use.
One day, I would love to pull a Bozzio and set the whole damn thing up but I don't have the space or the time to do it for rehearsal and we usually play in a multiband bill with a house kit that I have to switch around cuz I am southpaw but I usually don't screw with it too much. I actually like playing with the floor tom next to the hihat. Anyway, I do recommend to all the other drummers out there to say to your band mates respectfully and assertively, "You have had your fun choosing the sounds for this song on your instrument let me try my hand at it in mine, if you still don't like it, then give me a suggestion." Now of course if they are paying you for a session then just do what your told. :)
I have listened to many comparison reviews and the real advantage of edrums after many years playing acoustic is that edrums are far easier to play.. so i just dont get it when the market trys to make edrums work in a bigger footprint... I have a Roland portable with mesh heads so i have a great sound with tight distance between heads so i can move between each item on the kit with less effort... yes it takes some conversion to get used to being more accurate but the result is a far easier playing style and plenty of more fill options... so dont make these kit head diameters too big you just don't need them!
you see, though, there's electric drum kits that are high quality that go for a minimum of five hundred dollars, and for some acoustic kits, they can be up to 2,000 -3,000, even 5,000 dollars. My uncle is the drummer of a band called "Kickin' Valentina" and he told me and even showed me that he bought his Tama and Yamaha drum kits for around 2,500 dollars. the cymbals he'd baught, too, were around 300 and 500 dollars. For christmas last year, my mom got me an Alesis electric drum kit for 150 dollars off of it's original price, 300 dollars.
+jacob casler Solid acoustic drums start at about $800, plus cymbals/stands. So a total GOOD set is like 1200 brand new. And equivalent electronic set is something like the Alesis Strike $1700.
This is an AWESOME video. I combine mine :) I bought an Acoustic kit then I use the Pearl E pro tru trac heads. I bought them separately. I also have the Field Electronic cymbals. So if I set up my kit (I hide the wires by using a rack) But no one can tell from a distance. If I am going to gig with it I have a kit purchased off the pearl sound shop (it sounds SO much better then e kits programmed in the module) This was a great video though.
+Lipstick Drumstick You must have a killer set. Im all about combining the two. I liked the Pearl Epro Live kit which uses those heads, it was just that the module was terrible. But you sound like you have the best of both worlds. So cool!
I had the Alesis Dm10 studio kit prior and the Pearl Redbox is the same thing. What do you mean it sucks? I have never heard the Roland. Do the kits sound as fake as mine do programmed in the module? I have wondered. I spent a ton of money on Ezdrummer 2 and tried to hook it up. I couldn't figure it out. So it was a huge waste of money. Sorry I am blowing up your channel.
Lipstick Drumstick The shape of the DM10 module and the Redbox was the exact same, just with a different color. I believe they used different sounds though. Sorry, I don't mean to insult your drumset, I just don't like either of those modules. Please take another shot at EZdrummer. There are excellent sounds in that software that would really help. I will leave a link below to an great setup tutorial made by the channel Vdrum Tips. Haha, its fine if you blow up my channel, it lets RUclips know that my channel is a good one and that they should promote it more. ruclips.net/video/50F77gKPWw4/видео.html
Justin Greenawalt I didn't take any offense at all. I loved your video. I love anything that can make my kit better. Thank you so much for the link. I will definitely check it out.
There's a ton of nuances in the sound of an acoustic kit that electronic kits can't replicate, and that's the biggest reason in my opinion. For example, hitting the bell of cymbals with the bead of the stick vs. the side of the stick produces completely different sound, but on an electronic set you can't get that. Other good examples include the radically nuanced feel of snare hits like rim shots and cross-sticks. Also, this may not be true but the feel of cymbals in general is just completely wrong on electric kits based on what I've played. Rebound strokes are so much harder, from my experience.
I have only owned acoustic drums but my apartment situation has led me to buy the Roland TD KVS 11 But i am going to build it into a Hybrid kit with real snare drum use my 8" pad as a second floor tom buy a few real Zildjians and real Hi-Hats wicked Hybrid kit :)
i only use an electric because of my neighbors and there easy to record. and they don't take up as much room in my apartment. i would prefer an acoustic.
+J Drums But if you get the right gear, a Good electronic drumset will let you do things that you could never dream to do on an acoustic set. I had always wanted to be able to play dubstep sounds. now i can.
+J Drums Same here man. My neighbor on the left of my house likes my drumming, he's also a musician, but the neighbors on the right side absolutely hate it when i play. The volume is just extremely uncontrollable. The only reason i would buy electronic drum kits is because of its volume.
Excellent video. I have the new Roland 25 and a huge Pearl acoustic kit in the studio. My Rolands sound better in the mix...Most likely from the bleed I get from the acoustic kit is hard to control....Thanks
+Justin Greenawalt I use Slates Trigger 2 for his drum samples for the drums to get that same sound as like Superior 2/EZ drummer. That gate he has on that plugin with Slate really makes ringy/bleeds go away.
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Great comparison!! So refreshing to see a drummer that understands the benefits of electronic kits!! I did want to disagree with one of your points though, about cost. A top of the line acoustic kit is similar in price to a top of the line electronic kit. Comparing a cheap acoustic kit to a top of the line electronic kit isn't accurate. Also, as you pointed out, your electronic kit has 1000 built in sounds, or "drums". Purchasing 1000 acoustic drums to give you the same versatility would cost WAY more than any electronic kit!! So, in reality, if you compare on a "what you get for how much" level, electronic drums are actually less expensive than comparable acoustics. :)
+KenWoLf31 That's very interesting. I hadn't thought of it like that. And you are right. I've played edrums for 2 years now. And I can play literally any Type of music due to the flexibility of drum modules and software like ezdrummer2.
I disagree that the sound is the same. I've yet to hear an electronic kit that captures the over tones or the way an acoustic drum slowly dampens. Electronic drums,while they sound better than ever, still haven't captured the full complexity of sound yet
Well I have to disagree. Edrums can recreate the exact sounds of acoustic drums. You can trigger recordings of acoustic drums in famous studios. I'll link a demonstration down below. I encourage you to take a second look at electronic drums. They have gotten way better sines the early days. ruclips.net/video/pkNbnkTH4g8/видео.html
The funny thing is, as a guitarist first and foremost, the question of "electric versus acoustic" doesn't come up, but no one says that acoustic guitars are for purists or that electric guitars don't have soul as it comes down to the player, their sound, the effects thy use, the style they play, etc. After watching Michael Schack doing his live performance last weekend at the Sydney Drum & Percussion Show, I know that what he does with his electronic kit and his sample pads, there is soul, energy, excitement and so much more that he can do as a solo performer "just" playing the drums. If he was on an acoustic kit, his solo shows would be boring as. I know which kit I would buy.
looks is not a factor because you can build electronic drums out of acoustic quite easy and you can also buy acoustic/electric hybrid kits ,i took my td9 and my acoustic and have been converting the acoustic to electric ,smallest drum i have is 10 inch,my snare is 14 inch all roland mesh heads with internal triggers
also in my case where i live now i can no longer play my acoustic kit anymore so rather than sell it i decided to convert it so i'm getting good use out of it and i actually find the mesh heads nicer to play on that the acoustic heads ,i like the small amount of extra bounce ,makes doing drum fills easier and i don't think i would even want to go back to acoustic again even if i lived somewhere i could play them
i've done my snare and 2 toms so far,holding off on the rest until i see how much the new roland bass drum conversion costs and then i'll figure it out from there,for my toms i used quartz trigger harnesses and on the snare i also used quartz harnesses but i used the dual 1 for the snare so i have rim triggering on that ,toms i don't need rim triggers,i also use 2 roland 10 inch pads and i see 0 difference in triggering between the roland pads and the converted drums i also use roland mesh heads on all i still have a 13 inch tom ,16inc floor tom and 2 bass drums to convert but i may only use 1 bass drum,i have axis pedals so i could go with the axis ekit triggers and a mesh head for the bass drum so i may go that rout if the roland bass drum conversion costs too much in the mean time i got a roland kd 120 kick so thats just fine but the real bass drum will look better
what kit would you recommend for someone who only has about $300 to spend?! I'm looking at the Alesis Nitro Kit right now and didn't know if there was anything out there that was better for roughly the same price. PS. I posted this is the wrong area first, oops.
I play the drums in my churches praise band and have used an e-kit for the past 10 years. Would I rather play my acoustic kit? Sure, but it's not about me, it's about sound and volume control, it's fitting in with the band, it's about supporting what's going on in the room and not being a distraction. That's our job as drummers
Alot of churches use electronic drums. You can play acoustic drums at a church, but it forces you to drop a lot of money on drum shields, sound panels, and mics.
65 Drums yup. Tried almost all of those options. Shields, sound panels, mics, etc. The next step was going to be a booth, but then I'd be too disconnected from the rest of the band. In a church setting where we try to keep the volume at no higher than 85 dB the e-drums are just easier to work with.
I disagree with the cost point. I can get a new TD25KV for around $2500 US, whereas a similar quality acoustic kit is over 50% more than that, once you factor in remotely decent cymbals, and kick pedals. That price goes up astronomically if you add in the drum mics that you'd need to record them.
You can get a set of A Custom Zs and a good Yamaha Drumset for $2,000. Plus the Roland kit doesn't come with a kick pedal or high hat stand, so that doesn't count. I'm speaking strictly of the drumset, not the mics. But you're right, if we count mics, then it's Cheeper to go electronic.
+iChromium Ok, first I'll go over my pick for acoustic drums: I'd buy the Yamaha Stage Custom Birch $650, and I would recomend a Sabian AAX cymbal pack $700. As for a electronic set: I'd go with the Alesis Crimson its a guitar center exclusive $1,000. You wont see a real jump in quality until you are willing to spend $2000. With that budget, I'd buy the Roland TD25k.
Justin Greenawalt Thanks! If that's the case, i'll go with the acoustic. My parents said an absolute max of 1650. And no, I'm not a jobless bum, I'm 14 lel. Thanks for da help!
+iChromium You can buy electric drums for that price, but they're pretty bad. If you or your parents (If you're a bit too young like me) can build a shed outside the backyard in which you can put your acoustic kit/s in, that'll be my recommendation. My dad is a very good handy man and has given our house more than $100,000 in value than when we first bought it, we bought it for $385,000 and now sells for just under $500,000. He's going to build another shed outside for my drum kit. And if you do pick this option, i suggest you put some foam padding on the walls or make them thicker. To help counter-act the shear noise of the drums :)
there's only one reason I play electronic drums... I have neighbours
That's probably the biggest reason of all.
+spaceshi1984 yep and you can play at 3 o'clock in the morning and know one knows you are there
+giggabyt78 thats true freedom
Same
Neel George yep i can play at 3am and know one knows i'm there and they sound good too
Reasons to buy electric drums:
1. You don't have access to a studio, and don't want to be evicted from your apartment
...what, you needed a reason #2?
+S3lvah Everyone has their reasons.
They both have their perks. I have an electric kit simply because I live in a condo. Kinda nice to be able to plug in headphones and know that I'm not pissing off my neighbors
Justin Sane Yeah happy neighbors are important.
Justin Sane does the bass drum ever bother anyone?
"i could play these at the north pole and the sound wouldnt change" there would be no sound unless you can find an outlet in an iceberg :D
lol
A couple hundred dollars could get a gas powered generator. Instant power. You could play your drums on a rowboat in the middle of the ocean if you wanted.
65 Drums The cymbals are brass lol
Eli Pender
THE REAL Cymbals are bronze. Brass can't hold enough tension for a really good cymbal.
if you add up the cost of a good acoustic kit, good hardware, good cymbals, good mics, mic stands, cables, you are going to spend more on an acoustic kit.
You are right Peter. But people just don't realize it.
If you're not gigging or recording then you just need the kit, cymbals, and hardware and you save a bunch. They feel great but are so frickin loud. That is the big downside.
you know you don't need to record your drums if you're drummer who drums for fun otherwise known as a hobbyist drummer
My first kit was an electric kit it was a roland just over 1900 and my second kit was a pearl export acoustic with zildjian k custom cymbols and a pearl double bass pedal and all my hardware it all added up to just shy of 1900
A good drum kit will most likely last me my whole life time and beyond ! Not sure if electronic kits are at the point where I could say the same? And I don’t need to pay a fortune for a shell that will last! yamahas mid range kits like the stage customs are tanks !
i need a e-drumkit because neighbours ._.
Yup
Vantage Music nah, ya just need to play better, then they never bitch. Wait'll they ask you to play at jam nite.
Vantage Music heyyyyy skeloton clique |-/
That's most of us bro
I think the audio experience is much better with electric drums because of the difficulty of getting that acoustic set to sound the way we are accustomed to hearing them from studio recordings.
Joey Ferris It really simplifys things to use an electronic drums.
Lol serisuly the 80s had electrics guitars and used old acoustic drums and the sounds they made were epic now it sounds like shit with mordern electric guitars because the sound tone is tuned and it sounds different too be honest it would suck if I had to listen to a legend like queen and have his songs redone with mordern equipment it would probably make me cry because it's killing the orignal the orignal will always be better it's not a drum if it does not go bang bang it's the feels the nostalgia of real talent
i have both acustic for live and e-drum for recording and practicing
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Retardus so what do you think is better?
Well if he has both then obviously he prefers acoustics for live work and electric for recording and practicing, as he said he uses them. No one minds if you make too much noise on the stage.
yeah honestly playing along songs with an acoustic kit is such a pain
There's also a 30-40 dB difference in loudness. An acoustic drum kit can easily go over 100 dB even when played softly.
That is very true. Its one of the reasons why I switched
Justin Greenawalt Well, I'm planning to go for a reasonable medium: Drum mutes and cymbal mutes or playing mylon brushes when necessary.
It sounds good when you hear about having thousands of sounds on the electronic kit until you realize that a lot of the presets are just thrown in for the bragging rights and don't sound good. When I play my bandmate's $1,500 set for rehearsal, he has 50 presets and I had to make a hybrid of three to get the only usable kit combination. Not to mention the lack of dynamic contrast (even on the most sensitive pads the market has).
With acoustic drums, the dynamic contrast, tuning, technique, different heads, different cymbals, and their infinite surface area gives infinite possibilities not limited to the manufacturer.
Not that I hate electronic drums, they have practical application. They just aren't very practical for anything I use them for. If you want to play anything with a human feel with perplexing rudimental passages, any dynamics, or pull multiple pieces of sound out of a single piece of percussion, then definitely go with acoustic drums.
Electronic drums are made for simplifying things, but ultimately need a lot of care to make them practical for studio or live use. they deserve the same amount of attention as acoustic drums in practicing and musical understanding before making musical ideas that are cohesive and interesting. The different presets make them worth an investment if you play tons of styles and use sounds you physically don't have access to.
But ultimately, the music I create needs the human feel to make it stand out. I'll go acoustic every time.
You shouldve mentioned the feel and response of an electronic kit is very different. and how you said its a hassle to record acoustic drums and buy mics, sure they might be an expense but its soooo worth it cause it sounds soo amazing! And its just keeping it real and authentic you know.
I get what you are saying. Its all about what works best for everyone. Each drummer has a preference.
Ben Gosling also, GREAT difference between the TD-10 and TD-12 (versions before this one), read: something you can actually afford to buy at around 3,000 back then, as a floor model, possibly. I dislike the cymbals and high hat non-responsiveness. My friends earlier TD-12 has a GREAT high hat. Very responsive and doesn't physically move, so that means you could be insanely fast. They changed it to mine, which sucks. I've been fighting to get it right since I bought it. Yes, we're using worthy pedals. All DW. The feel between them is like a totally different instrument, also.
My other 2 are Sakae Pac-D and Vistalite. Big kit hardest to play (big drums=harder to be fast), but minimal maintenance on either. Ludwigs have those horrible floor tom legs which don't always work. For a price difference of almost 2,000, the Sakae floor tom legs have never made the drum fall over.
After V-drums, there really IS no substitute. The small e drum kits sound ok while you're on them, but even Yamaha sounds atrocious from across the room. And they have extremely cheap pedals that have a nasty feel. Roland always sound great from anywhere. They're just too expensive now, at about 5,000 for the full size kit, and now they made them huge, which makes them as stupidly hard to move as a big acoustic kit. They don't need to be big in diameter. Don't get too wasted to play and aim your stick; work on stick control! Electronically, they're not beautifully made inside. It's more 3 pounds of poo in a 2 lb bag, as I hear it. You'll probably need an electronic rebuild between 10-15 years, unless you leave it in basement, attic or garage, which is a bad idea and make that much sooner. They can be hard to fix once screwed up, so use them often (bad stuff happens to things you don't use), and don't leave/use them in any damp place.
I agree with you Justin, on most all the points. I have owned (at one time) EVERY SINGLE electronic drum module put out by Yamaha and Roland since 1997. (I'm currently on TD30 like you, and I'm not giving it up for anything)
Biggest difficulty for an electronic drummer, is how the sound is *SO MUCH* dependent on the PA system you are playing through. Sound coming out of the headphone is heavenly. but the sound you hear on the PA system can vary so much.
Acoustic set *always* makes sound on its own, so this discrepancy isn't that big. You place microphones around the kit and amplify them, but the sound always gets "overlaid" with raw acoustic sound + processed amplified sound.
But E Drums are different in this aspect. You hear 100% of the synthesized & amplified sound. Therefore, so much depends on the quality of PA system, stage monitor/FOH setup, and the caliber of sound engineers.
I can guarantee that 90% of people will not be able to distinguish E-drum sound VS. acoustic sound on recording, if you do a true blind test. Properly recorded and processed, they will both sound fantastic. I couldn't say this 20 years ago with my first drum kit TD-5. But since TD-12/20, it's virtually the same.
I agree about the PA problem. I even made a video about that. You have an incredibly impressive collection of modules. I have played most electronic drums made since 2002. Roland td30 beats them all by a lot. And none can tell a recording of that module apart from an acoustic.
I agree that "properly recorded and processed" most people won't be able to tell the difference, but if I'm just jamming out with friends in my garage, there is quite a big difference. Accoustic drums sound much more organic. It's harder to get a "dirty" sound out of an accoustic kit.
Logic Pro x, man. It's incredible. Hook your module to your interface or computer via USB and you have so many "acoustic" kits to choose from and they sound amazing. You can hook whatever speakers through your interface and it sounds top notch.
I like your video and especially the noise problem is a reason for me to practice with e-drums.
I only disagree with the fact that electronics like pads and I-phones are expensive because of their components. The components of a PDX-100 cost Roland approximately 20$ including production. The rest is marketing and retailer costs. Same for the iphone, the electronic parts itself is getting cheaper and cheaper.
Still the best e-drum company:)
You may be right about that. If that is the case, then one reason their cost is so high, must be product development. Roland Modules do not use samples, computer code makes the sounds. The work that goes into the modules makes the price high. And you are right about marketing. They spend alot of money on sending drummers around to different stores, making product videos. Johnny Rabb a couple years ago, and now Craig Blundell is the front man for roland drums. But most of all, they must have large profit margins.
Roland all the way the electronic drum.
dude i work in the semiconductor industry
cost of raw materials for the component- 1 to 5%
cost of production of the component 10-15%
cost of DESIGN of the component 80 to 895
marketing and retailer costs are maybe 5 to 15%
there is a lot of engineering and brainpower that goes into designing this stuff
i like hybrid electric drums play anytime or all the time with hundreds drums sets in compact drumset. get a great drum headphones.
I agree
Wow! Scrolled all the way back and look at that young pup! So happy and proud of all your success, man. This channel has come a long way
As someone who has owned and used both, I'd say there's a time and a place for both. I think it's good for a drummer to be familiar with both, just like I think it's good for a drummer to learn a second instrument besides drums (for me it's synths and soon banjo).
The main issue with electronic drums is that if you want one that sounds good and feels like the real thing you need to pay an arm and a leg.
+Dominick Benson Thats the truth. I payed 3,800 for mine. But its been really useful to me, and I really enjoy it.
Awesome video man
Beginner drummer trying to choose. Thanks for your video!
As someone who is looking to get into drums myself but also encourage my son to consider drums when choosing an instrument, it seems like inspiration is everything; so that visceral feeling of beating something and it really breathing is probably more important than the tone because he ears won't even know the difference.
I think I've known that all alone but wanted to find someone would would say it themselves. Most people don't mention inspiration to keep playing. It can sound good but if you're not having fun playing and don't feel motivated to play then it doesn't matter how good it sounds because you won't be playing enough.
Electronic drums aren't for everyone. I started on acoustic and then switch to electronic. If you want to start him off on acoustic drums, that would work fine. And some people find more inspiration from acoustic. I just got tired of its limitations.
I have both , Actually one dw acoustic drum set and 3 Roland electronic drum sets .I love them all 🎤🎵🎶
yaaaas!
Everything you said about each drum set is true, but one thing that i like about acoustic drums is that you get your own feel from it. You don't need to twist a knob to change your volume, you can just play any style of music on acoustic kits. You get your own dynamics, feel, sound and everything. And you can tune the drums to your desired sound. Buying electronic drums is kinda like cheating in a way, you're cheating to get a better sound, whereas acoustic kits you can find your own sound. Great video by the way! It has really helped me make a choice. I already have an acoustic kit and it looks, feels and sounds great!
+Adam Haidar glad I could help!
+Justin Greenawalt cheers mate
well, with the TD 30 KV VPRO the scenario changes... the articulation and dynamic range allows you to get the feel you want without touching a knob... but that's for me... try it out... let me know how it goes.
I actually Own A Roland TD30K and I've played the KV version twice. And yes the dynamic range is good but its not perfect. I love electronic drums, they have many strengths. But that is one area they haven't perfected yet.
Thanks Justin!
I can´t decide which necause if i have acoustic drums they are way too loud and it will be heard everywhere in the house and it will be annoying the neighbours but i want that feeling with acoustic drums and electronic drums make less noise,it costs less because an acoustic drum can break,tear but electronic drum can not break(they can but...) and i dont know which because i want to have that drum feeling but i do not want to make so much noise help someone, and i looked at some drums and the price is almost qual so i dont know :(
Hey man im a guitarist and i wanna start playing drums. I'm planning to buy edrums. Where does the sound come from? does it have an amplifier? sorry im a newbie
Its all good man! The pads connect to the drum module. The drum module has a quarter inch output just like a guitar that you can plug into an amp, or a direct box
Justin Greenawalt does the module itself also produce sound, if not connected to an amp? anyway, thanks man
No you need a amp or headphones
Justin Greenawalt alright, thanks dude! your videos are very informative
great video. In my band we started to use edrums from a couple of years now and rehearsals are way better I have to say. It's great to work on the details and you don't feel your ears exhausted after a long session.
I agree with you there
Great video man !!!
It really helps to understand specific differences !
Good to know! Thanks!
This is a long video.. But it's super helpful. You earned a subscriber sir! I prefer acoustic kits firstly because of the sound the feel and the looks.. I have neighbors but i'm not in an apartment.. What do you recommend for me.. Because e drums can still make that annoying slap sound.. If i chose an acoustic i can still buy some silencer such as remo silenstrokes.. What do you recommend??
Acoustic but for practice nothing beats an electronic kit for working out song arrangements, solo patterns etc and they can be played at any hour of the night
That's true. I love being able to play at midnight.
Good job Justin...I have both....but the different sounds you can express from cymbals it is impossible from electric ones.......and hi hats......they are two diifferent world.....
I agree to an extent. But you need to try a super high end electronic drumsets. The cymbals on those get close.
Great video, dude. I personally really enjoy both electronic and acoustic.
I agree
Thanks for doing these videos - Could you take a minute and answer a question: did you start on acoustic? For example I started with the DM6 for fun and home jamming, but maybe acoustic drum training would be a good step (and fairly cheap) in order to really appreciate and get more out of something like the TD30.
I played acoustic for 4-5 years before switching to edrums
I think its best to learn on acoustics so you can really get a feel for the dynamic range. But its not a must.
dude why didnt you buy drum triggers and cymbals and convert you acoustic drum set to electronics saves a lot of money and space plus you can take the triggers off and play acoustically when you want
It still would have cost around $3,000. I decided to buy a Roland set.
Hi thanks for sharing the video. Could you comment on expanding the electronic kit. I understand that the sound library is extensive on these....but how do you extend it to the physical kit, which has so few pads. I like the sound of a splash for instance. How would i add more hardware. Thanks much!
It's very easy. Go to a website like www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/CY8?adpos=1o1&creative=55268757241&device=m&matchtype=&network=g&gclid=CPuPj821wcQCFQ6OaQod7w0Ayg they sell the drum and cymbal pads separately. All you have to do is buy an extra electronic cymbal, a quarter inch cable, and a cymbal stand. Then run the cable from the cymbal to the back of the module. The module has inputs for extra pads. You can add a couple extra cymbals this way. But, There is a limit to how many pads you can plug into the module. If you want the drum kit to have 5 cymbals and 5 toms, then you will have to use more than one module.
The problem with playing cricket noises and the like on the drums and cymbals is that we see each part of a kit as a separate instrument with a certain type of response, to be played in a certain way. It's just not natural unless you're playing sounds that match the parts of the kit. It starts feeling flippant, like it's a toy. IMO it's better to add a multipad for drumsticks to your kit for those kind of sounds (and maybe even loops and patterns). The even response and placement of the pads makes a multipad feel like a general purpose instrument that's okay for almost anything, you don't get the same kind of strange sensation.
Thank you for your well informed and coherent videos. You have excellent balanced viewpoints and thought out explanations.
You have helped me decide on my e-drum experience.
I use both. I have a high end custom acoustic kit and a high end electronic kit. It all depends on what the job I am hired for calls for.
That's right, they work better in different situations
I currently have acoustic drums and something that is nice is not needing any power to play. Unless I'm listening in headphones to my drum mics through my mixer. The mixer uses very little power. And I play along with CD player or into phone or laptop.
I record with a tascom pocket studio it uses 4 AA batteries. I use rechargeable and swap one set in charger and other to use.
I used to have electronic drums and you can do a lot more with it. Sounds, not having to tune or change heads, portable. It's a real pain to pack up acoustic set, put in car, drive then unpack and set up. Guitar players are done in 5 min and could spend a lot more time tuning.
Didn't mention you need a drum and to hear.
Thanks for the great video. As a beginner, I wonder whether the smaller size of drums is an advantage or a disadvantage. I tend to think it's an advantage, because you can fit more in the same amount of space, and if you learn to play on an electric drumkit, you won't have much trouble hitting pads the right way. But obviously a larger drum is an easier target.
Thanks for the video- just bought a Roland TD 11K after playing acoustic kits for over 30 years. I had to make this choice based on recent living changes. I miss playing acoustic kits but these e-kits have come along way since the 80's.
Welcome to edrumming bill :) these kits will only get better and better
Bill Edwards yeah, the cymbals don't suck anymore! Back then, they didn't play cymbals at all or used real ones:)
Sunglasses at Night
Jack and Diane (until big fill)
Total Eclipse of the Heart
Mad Max
I think also: Phil Collins til big fill on In the Air Tonite
and also Trading Places soundtrack to start.
I don't know if it's just me but I feel like an acoustic drum kit is more intimidating to approach as a beginner than an electric is.
+Froggie McLillypad could be, that's why there's not a one-size-fits-all for every drummer
Finally, an intelligent opinion on electronic vs. acoustic drum kits. I also have the td 30 and it is amazing. But I would also like to get an acoustic kit to go along with my electronic kit. I used to have a seven piece Peal but it was stolen from a recording studio. I died a little inside when that happened. Once again great video.
Lee Jones Thank You Lee! Ouch! Thats a hard hit. I love acoustic drums. I hope you can get another set. Yeah I tried to be balanced in this video. I love both acoustic and electric. But for me, electric drums are more convenient (for me and the sound man), and they dont need to constantly be tuned, and have heads replaced. But I still love my acoustic set.
I've been using electronic kits off and on since the 80s, from the original Simmons setups. The main reason is the control it gives me over the live sound, where I can re-create a consistent quality sound night after night,, especially in regard to cymbals. A guy I worked with years ago said he found that acoustic cymbals were always the problem; he said they resonate at frequencies that can mess with the vocals and have a tendency to really wash all over the stage. I'll admit I thought this was just Diva-speak, until we tried using electronics, and the difference in the vocals was instantly noticeable. Add to this the large range of add-on packs you can buy through people like Drum-Tec, and it's a no-brainer. Their Yamaha Stage Custom kit has become my default kit of choice, and that expansion pack cost me £25 for 29 beautifully sampled kits including Sonor, Pearl and Ayotte. That said, I still think you get a far greater range of nuance and subtlety from any type of acoustic kit that would require you to shell out £3-5K to even come close electronically. Give 'em a try...
I'm not a drummer, but electronic drums just seem a bit fake to me. Obviously if I had drumming experience I might appreciate more the practicalities of electronic sets, but to me acoustics do sound better and above all else are the real thing, which means a lot to me.
I see what you mean, and acoustic drums do sound better than the majority of edrums. Just remember a quality set of electronic drums can sound pretty darn good too. Here's how my set sounds: ruclips.net/video/u8fPy1d6Rn4/видео.html
Thank you this is a very helpful video
anytime :)
Also, a big part about being a drummer is expanding your set. Getting new cymbals, new head, more toms, etc. You can't do that with electronic drums.
Actually you can. You can add as many cymbals/toms/Kick/Snares as you want
I like the points you brought up, especially one I did not consider which was weather. I know tuning is a bear on an acoustic vs. an electric, but I forgot how weather factors in. Looks are a big factor, and I like sitting behind the kit, but the electronic route has become a better choice for me right now. Foremost, my kit is in my garage and I cannot even get to it as of late because I have had to move so much crap in my cramped 1 CAR space. And since it is in my garage, and the way our places are situated, my common wall is right up against my neighbors two bedrooms, so obviously jamming at 2AM is out. Portability is a double factor for me, not only just picking it up and going BUT when I have to go to work, I can just pick it up and lock it in my trunk. I have actually ordered Yamaha's DD-65, because ONE I cannot afford an electronic like the set you have (but will want one eventually for better flexibility) and two, it is a really small footprint and that's really important. It will also allow me to practice more then I could with my Remo acoustic kit. and from the videos, the DD-65 is a nice trade-off all around.You mentioned the ability to use your TD-30 for all the different sounds, hopefully I can get that kind of functionality (even if it is small) since the DD-65 has midi in/out. It's kind of funny you mentioned Neil Peart's set up, because it made me think about when I played at guitar centers drum off this year, they had us use a DW acoustic set and also if we wanted, a roland Octapad if we wanted. Sorry this rambling on, your video was helpful, thanks!
Yeah sounds like an electronic drumset is the best option for you. 👍🏻
Your vedio was very helpfull It helped me decide what drums to get I have acustic but the times I have to practice and the neighbors I going with electronic drums
Great!
Good comments about the ability to play quietly ( headphones, neighbors, etc). I have a good vdrum kit and love it. BUT I'm mostly jealous of acoustic cymbals. Dynamics, range of sounds, feel, etc.....just not there yet on the vdrums.
The ability to hook it up to your computer and daw (logic x) and just get a beat and rhythm down is truly amazing and sounds great. Also it won't wake the baby!
yup :)
I played on an electronic drumset, and it didn't really feel that great because the cymbals weren't bouncing around.
Great job. Congrats!
Thanks man!
was watching a few vids of u really enjoyed, just wondering where u from?
I'm from Ohio
I am double + your age and a guitar player and bass player (pro) but have a drummer's soul. I have toured as a drummer with Roots/Blues acts ..... but got rid of my acoustic set years ago. I just bought a Roland TD11KV and love it. This was a great idea for a video - saying things that need to be said. As much as we all love "wood"...... Electronic drums are the future. Thanks!
If i would put my acoustic drums in my garage (there is coming a outside wind in my garage) would that effect my drumsset? and if i would put a radiator in my garage would it than still effect my drumstel?
Extreme temperatures and humidity effect acoustic drum sound. It just depends on where you live.
Thanks for this video comparison. What amp do you use with your E drums? This can make a huge difference also.
+Rachel Shelton Thanks! I actually made a video about that, here it is: ruclips.net/video/RnxRabx99tE/видео.html
Rachel Shelton I use a bass amp.or a 4 channel Roland keyboard amp, myself.
The only real pros iv found with an electric kit is that you can change the samples and play stuff like dubstep and do a bunch of cool stuff lol, and the fact that you can play at 3 am with headphones and not wake your neighbors. other than that I prefer acoustic.
For me, those were big reasons in favor of electronic. But it's not for everybody.
what is your opinion on the quality and durability of Alesis brand, would you recommend this brand, if so which model
I generally only recommend Alesis if you are on a tight budget. If you were to buy one, I would get the dm10 mesh. Just remember, their sounds are not very good, so I recommend hooking the module to your laptop and running a drum software like EZdrummer for quality sound. I like Roland and Yamaha more, but Alesis is a quality low cost brand.
as much as I like my dtx 400k I once played with an acoustic drum kit and I can't stop thing about it since! In my opinion acoustic drums are better because of the feeling you get when you play them and for me That's the most important ( great video btw :) )
Very true, I agree. But I need to point out the DTX400k is a beginner drumset, so its not really a fair comparison. But I totally get what you mean :) :)
What do you think about the Roland TD-4KP drum kit?
I'm thinking of getting it, do the rubber pads play well? any thoughts?
I haven't played that exact kit, but I've played at least a half a dozen different other Roland kits so I can give some general thoughts on it. That module is from an older kit I've played. It's last gen Roland tech. So the sound isn't something like what you'd get out of a td11. As for the rubber pads? I like Roland's rubber pads. I like the way rubber pads feel. But they are more bouncy, louder, and they generally don't feel as good as mesh or silicon pads. The kit is at a good price point, and is very portable. Not a bad kit. It's small and aimed toward musicians who need ultimate portability. I think it's biggest flaw is its module. It's very customizable but the sounds are all last generation Roland. I would save up a few more bucks and buy the Roland td11, but you need to try to the kit for yourself to know for sure what you need. Hope that helped -Justin
Justin Greenawalt Thanks a lot for the response. Actually yes, after some research now I'm thinking more about the Roland TD-11K. It's more expensive but it has better sounds, mash head snare, and the stand is customizable and upgradable. And your advise for the td11 confirms that as well. Every time I try to cheap out on something, I end up regretting my choice. Thanks again and cheers :)
A lot of people think electronic drum are more expensive in which in some cases it is.......but think about all of the cymbals that you have to buy over and over, the heads that break, the hardware that you have to buy, the list goes on So basically with electronic drums you kinda just pay a lot once and your good but acoustic just seems like and endless piece of work to me
+sticks45 That can be true. Especially and also you don't have to buy half the sticks you used to because that don't break as much. But if your drums have mesh heads, you will have to replace them every once in a while too.
not to mention you get a several selection of drum sounds instead of a single kit
add the drum microphones to acoustic sets and the cost just piles up even further. When the kit needs to be assembled/reassembled regularly, the electronic kit really has a big advantage.
Great video... I am just starting and this answered many of my questions. Thank you!
Glad it helped!
So many of you guys are missing the point completely. Edrums are not acoustic just as acoustic are not edrums. They are a different animal and so need to be approached in a new and unique way. I hav'nt used an acoustic kit in 30 years and would never go back to one.
I had to sell my acoustic set, unfortunately. Now, I really want an electronic set because of the versatility you can take beyond drumming. And no offense but I use to hate tuning my acoustic set. Play an acoustic set will seem pretty cool.
I totally get it. You're right there is a lot more flexibility with electronic drums.
Marcus McKinney I've only had them go badly out of tune during the rain. Other than that, it's nothing to tune, it's just very tiny modifications, for me. Also had every drum tuning BS gimmick, like my ears better, once I got used to what "drum tuned" sounds like.
and B, use acrylic drums. They don't give a damn if it rains, Lol!
i have eletric and i played on my friends acustic and fell in love with it
Well maybe acoustic is the right kind for you
The difference is the transition between sounds, you miss the natural transition with digital drums, a digital cymbal does not "grow" naturally, it is still sample based, and one can use as many velocity layers from here to the moon and it still sounds fake in certain areas, especially for jazz.
I want to get a starter kit to learn on, but my parents wont let me get something so noisy. They say the only option I have is an eset, so what do I do? I just can say right off the bat that without even touching the eKit, it feels wrong.
You shouldn't say "it feels wrong" before you even touch it. People said the same thing about acoustic pianos vs electric keyboards back in the day. But they got over it. Go to a large music store like Sam Ash, or Guitar Center. Those stores have at least a half a dozen ekits you can try. And Do some research online. But I'd say that a edrumset is better than no drumset. If you get an ekit now, maybe you can get an acoustic kit later. Just don't get a crappy ekit. I have a video about the best inexpensive drumsets on my channel, check it out.
I have TDK 17 VX love them also have an acoustic kit difference is there's a cut off with dynamics e drums at the top end the sound of the acoustic is much wider with no sharp cut off the harder you strike, edrums are great fun and have great recording facilities, play along and loads of built in coaching tricks but performing on stage acoustic for me
Great video, this really helped me make my decision to buy an electronic kit.
+Keaton glad it helped, thanks for letting me know!
What electronic drum thats really cheap would you recommend? For like a first drum kit
this was the birth of the iconic blue shell conversion kit
I used to play on an electronic for the purpose of keeping quiet but once I got my first acoustic drum kit from learning I can use silencers, I fell in love ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Glad you found what works for you :)
I have a Yamaha DTX 500K drum kit. I absolutely love it. I also play the acoustic drums at my university. I love both. As for me, the feel of the acoustic and electronic drums are very similar actually.
I just prefer the electronic drum kit for the flexibility. The tons of different sounds and different kits installed. Also tons of practice songs. And no one has to know you're practising.
Thats one of the reasons I love edrums, you can do anything with them :) But there's something amazing about playing acoustic too
i would rather buy a electric drum set just because im worried if its too loud (for me). But then getting an acoustic is like half the price and it looks better
I have a TD20 with a bunch of different pads that I cannibalized so that I can travel with, an SPD-S, and the Nord Drum 2. If it is a question of either or, I would take acoustic any day in a studio or gig... the dynamics are greater and the rebounds are truer... To be fair, I brought my TD20(when it was still complete) to an audition and I threw my back out pretty badly mostly due to the rebound issue. In the studio, electronic drums make it easier for the producer to record and manipulate your playing especially if they record both the audio outs, midi and such. But my biggest problem with electric was the waste of time my guitarist and singer spent on telling me which sounds I should play, especially switching kits on the fly in mid song is a bit obnoxious especially in rehearsal or on the gig. That been said. I do like using the Nord Drum 2 in addition to my acoustic kit using the Aquarian Inhead on the snare and a roland kick drum trigger to get those weird spacey noises. I hope that helps others... :)
Sounds like you have an interesting setup. Yeah, but be tough on those band mates. If you don't tell the guitar player to use more distortion, then they shouldn't tell you what drum sounds to use.
One day, I would love to pull a Bozzio and set the whole damn thing up but I don't have the space or the time to do it for rehearsal and we usually play in a multiband bill with a house kit that I have to switch around cuz I am southpaw but I usually don't screw with it too much. I actually like playing with the floor tom next to the hihat. Anyway, I do recommend to all the other drummers out there to say to your band mates respectfully and assertively, "You have had your fun choosing the sounds for this song on your instrument let me try my hand at it in mine, if you still don't like it, then give me a suggestion." Now of course if they are paying you for a session then just do what your told. :)
I have listened to many comparison reviews and the real advantage of edrums after many years playing acoustic is that edrums are far easier to play.. so i just dont get it when the market trys to make edrums work in a bigger footprint... I have a Roland portable with mesh heads so i have a great sound with tight distance between heads so i can move between each item on the kit with less effort... yes it takes some conversion to get used to being more accurate but the result is a far easier playing style and plenty of more fill options... so dont make these kit head diameters too big you just don't need them!
I have a custom mapex tornado and even though is not a super acoustic drum, I love it. But I don't know what will happen to it when I go live alone
Its tough
you see, though, there's electric drum kits that are high quality that go for a minimum of five hundred dollars, and for some acoustic kits, they can be up to 2,000 -3,000, even 5,000 dollars. My uncle is the drummer of a band called "Kickin' Valentina" and he told me and even showed me that he bought his Tama and Yamaha drum kits for around 2,500 dollars. the cymbals he'd baught, too, were around 300 and 500 dollars. For christmas last year, my mom got me an Alesis electric drum kit for 150 dollars off of it's original price, 300 dollars.
+jacob casler Solid acoustic drums start at about $800, plus cymbals/stands. So a total GOOD set is like 1200 brand new. And equivalent electronic set is something like the Alesis Strike $1700.
This is an AWESOME video. I combine mine :) I bought an Acoustic kit then I use the Pearl E pro tru trac heads. I bought them separately. I also have the Field Electronic cymbals. So if I set up my kit (I hide the wires by using a rack) But no one can tell from a distance. If I am going to gig with it I have a kit purchased off the pearl sound shop (it sounds SO much better then e kits programmed in the module) This was a great video though.
+Lipstick Drumstick You must have a killer set. Im all about combining the two. I liked the Pearl Epro Live kit which uses those heads, it was just that the module was terrible. But you sound like you have the best of both worlds. So cool!
I had the Alesis Dm10 studio kit prior and the Pearl Redbox is the same thing. What do you mean it sucks? I have never heard the Roland. Do the kits sound as fake as mine do programmed in the module? I have wondered. I spent a ton of money on Ezdrummer 2 and tried to hook it up. I couldn't figure it out. So it was a huge waste of money. Sorry I am blowing up your channel.
Lipstick Drumstick The shape of the DM10 module and the Redbox was the exact same, just with a different color. I believe they used different sounds though. Sorry, I don't mean to insult your drumset, I just don't like either of those modules. Please take another shot at EZdrummer. There are excellent sounds in that software that would really help. I will leave a link below to an great setup tutorial made by the channel Vdrum Tips. Haha, its fine if you blow up my channel, it lets RUclips know that my channel is a good one and that they should promote it more. ruclips.net/video/50F77gKPWw4/видео.html
Justin Greenawalt I didn't take any offense at all. I loved your video. I love anything that can make my kit better. Thank you so much for the link. I will definitely check it out.
i did not know the electric drums cost that much
They go anywhere from $200 to $7500
There's a ton of nuances in the sound of an acoustic kit that electronic kits can't replicate, and that's the biggest reason in my opinion. For example, hitting the bell of cymbals with the bead of the stick vs. the side of the stick produces completely different sound, but on an electronic set you can't get that. Other good examples include the radically nuanced feel of snare hits like rim shots and cross-sticks. Also, this may not be true but the feel of cymbals in general is just completely wrong on electric kits based on what I've played. Rebound strokes are so much harder, from my experience.
I live in an apartment and want to play drums
Rip
I have only owned acoustic drums but my apartment situation has led me to buy the Roland TD KVS 11 But i am going to build it into a Hybrid kit with real snare drum use my 8" pad as a second floor tom buy a few real Zildjians and real Hi-Hats wicked Hybrid kit :)
Wow, sounds epic! Let me know how it turns out👍🏻
i only use an electric because of my neighbors and there easy to record. and they don't take up as much room in my apartment. i would prefer an acoustic.
+J Drums But if you get the right gear, a Good electronic drumset will let you do things that you could never dream to do on an acoustic set. I had always wanted to be able to play dubstep sounds. now i can.
+J Drums Same here man. My neighbor on the left of my house likes my drumming, he's also a musician, but the neighbors on the right side absolutely hate it when i play. The volume is just extremely uncontrollable. The only reason i would buy electronic drum kits is because of its volume.
Excellent video. I have the new Roland 25 and a huge Pearl acoustic kit in the studio. My Rolands sound better in the mix...Most likely from the bleed I get from the acoustic kit is hard to control....Thanks
You are right, acoustic drums are so hard to record right.
+Justin Greenawalt I use Slates Trigger 2 for his drum samples for the drums to get that same sound as like Superior 2/EZ drummer. That gate he has on that plugin with Slate really makes ringy/bleeds go away.
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Thank you so much! Let me know if you have any questions about Edrums.
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Id do for electric mainly for convience but also Id have more control on how i want it to play/sound. You get me?
I totally understand that, and It's a nice benefit of playing edrums.
Great comparison!! So refreshing to see a drummer that understands the benefits of electronic kits!! I did want to disagree with one of your points though, about cost. A top of the line acoustic kit is similar in price to a top of the line electronic kit. Comparing a cheap acoustic kit to a top of the line electronic kit isn't accurate. Also, as you pointed out, your electronic kit has 1000 built in sounds, or "drums". Purchasing 1000 acoustic drums to give you the same versatility would cost WAY more than any electronic kit!! So, in reality, if you compare on a "what you get for how much" level, electronic drums are actually less expensive than comparable acoustics. :)
+KenWoLf31 That's very interesting. I hadn't thought of it like that. And you are right. I've played edrums for 2 years now. And I can play literally any Type of music due to the flexibility of drum modules and software like ezdrummer2.
I enjoy all your videos very informative
Thanks tony!
I disagree that the sound is the same. I've yet to hear an electronic kit that captures the over tones or the way an acoustic drum slowly dampens. Electronic drums,while they sound better than ever, still haven't captured the full complexity of sound yet
Well I have to disagree. Edrums can recreate the exact sounds of acoustic drums. You can trigger recordings of acoustic drums in famous studios. I'll link a demonstration down below. I encourage you to take a second look at electronic drums. They have gotten way better sines the early days. ruclips.net/video/pkNbnkTH4g8/видео.html
I'm wanting to learn to lay drums, and I can't get an acoustic because I have neighbors. What do you suggest as a basic starter electric drum set?
Roland TD1k or a Alesis Forge. Both the same price. The Roland will last longer. The Forge is bigger and has a better sound module.
thank u
You're welcome
The funny thing is, as a guitarist first and foremost, the question of "electric versus acoustic" doesn't come up, but no one says that acoustic guitars are for purists or that electric guitars don't have soul as it comes down to the player, their sound, the effects thy use, the style they play, etc. After watching Michael Schack doing his live performance last weekend at the Sydney Drum & Percussion Show, I know that what he does with his electronic kit and his sample pads, there is soul, energy, excitement and so much more that he can do as a solo performer "just" playing the drums. If he was on an acoustic kit, his solo shows would be boring as. I know which kit I would buy.
+Iwasbornin74 very true
looks is not a factor because you can build electronic drums out of acoustic quite easy and you can also buy acoustic/electric hybrid kits ,i took my td9 and my acoustic and have been converting the acoustic to electric ,smallest drum i have is 10 inch,my snare is 14 inch all roland mesh heads with internal triggers
also in my case where i live now i can no longer play my acoustic kit anymore so rather than sell it i decided to convert it so i'm getting good use out of it and i actually find the mesh heads nicer to play on that the acoustic heads ,i like the small amount of extra bounce ,makes doing drum fills easier and i don't think i would even want to go back to acoustic again even if i lived somewhere i could play them
very true! I've converted a snare and a kickdrum so far. I'm playing a bit of a hybrid set up, part TD30k, part Sonor conversion.
i've done my snare and 2 toms so far,holding off on the rest until i see how much the new roland bass drum conversion costs and then i'll figure it out from there,for my toms i used quartz trigger harnesses and on the snare i also used quartz harnesses but i used the dual 1 for the snare so i have rim triggering on that ,toms i don't need rim triggers,i also use 2 roland 10 inch pads and i see 0 difference in triggering between the roland pads and the converted drums i also use roland mesh heads on all
i still have a 13 inch tom ,16inc floor tom and 2 bass drums to convert but i may only use 1 bass drum,i have axis pedals so i could go with the axis ekit triggers and a mesh head for the bass drum so i may go that rout if the roland bass drum conversion costs too much in the mean time i got a roland kd 120 kick so thats just fine but the real bass drum will look better
its not as portable as his electric drums if u go gigging
I need an E drumkit bc I dont have neighbors but my grandma hates loud noises sooo...
The one thing I've never seen people complain about is that with edrums cymbal swells don't really work. That's a huge deal for me.
Yeah cymbal swells only work well with the exspensive edrums.
Justin Greenawalt well that's good to know, i always wondered about that
what kit would you recommend for someone who only has about $300 to spend?! I'm looking at the Alesis Nitro Kit right now and didn't know if there was anything out there that was better for roughly the same price. PS. I posted this is the wrong area first, oops.
You don't have alot of good options at $300. But I'd say the Nitro is the best for that price
65 Drums I would be using it to get into drumming and become better at it. I just hope it's not a waste of money.
Thank you for the great info Tony Hawk.
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I play the drums in my churches praise band and have used an e-kit for the past 10 years. Would I rather play my acoustic kit? Sure, but it's not about me, it's about sound and volume control, it's fitting in with the band, it's about supporting what's going on in the room and not being a distraction. That's our job as drummers
Alot of churches use electronic drums. You can play acoustic drums at a church, but it forces you to drop a lot of money on drum shields, sound panels, and mics.
65 Drums yup. Tried almost all of those options. Shields, sound panels, mics, etc. The next step was going to be a booth, but then I'd be too disconnected from the rest of the band. In a church setting where we try to keep the volume at no higher than 85 dB the e-drums are just easier to work with.
Very true. And I don't like playing with bundle rods, that's the only other option I've used to keep the volume down.
I disagree with the cost point. I can get a new TD25KV for around $2500 US, whereas a similar quality acoustic kit is over 50% more than that, once you factor in remotely decent cymbals, and kick pedals. That price goes up astronomically if you add in the drum mics that you'd need to record them.
You can get a set of A Custom Zs and a good Yamaha Drumset for $2,000. Plus the Roland kit doesn't come with a kick pedal or high hat stand, so that doesn't count. I'm speaking strictly of the drumset, not the mics. But you're right, if we count mics, then it's Cheeper to go electronic.
Justin Greenawalt I guess acoustic drums are a lot cheaper in the States than they are elsewhere.
@65 Drums I resently started playing on an E Kit and I was wondering how I would record off the E Kit with my laptop?
Please help thanks :)
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Awesome dude thanks for the help!
my budget is $1500, could you give me options on both acoustic and electronic drum kits?
+iChromium Ok, first I'll go over my pick for acoustic drums: I'd buy the Yamaha Stage Custom Birch $650, and I would recomend a Sabian AAX cymbal pack $700.
As for a electronic set: I'd go with the Alesis Crimson its a guitar center exclusive $1,000. You wont see a real jump in quality until you are willing to spend $2000. With that budget, I'd buy the Roland TD25k.
Justin Greenawalt Thanks! If that's the case, i'll go with the acoustic. My parents said an absolute max of 1650. And no, I'm not a jobless bum, I'm 14 lel. Thanks for da help!
+iChromium Sounds good, you can even throw in a drum shield with that budget to help with the volume.
Justin Greenawalt Good idea!
+iChromium You can buy electric drums for that price, but they're pretty bad. If you or your parents (If you're a bit too young like me) can build a shed outside the backyard in which you can put your acoustic kit/s in, that'll be my recommendation. My dad is a very good handy man and has given our house more than $100,000 in value than when we first bought it, we bought it for $385,000 and now sells for just under $500,000. He's going to build another shed outside for my drum kit. And if you do pick this option, i suggest you put some foam padding on the walls or make them thicker. To help counter-act the shear noise of the drums :)