If they did a proper continuation from the next generation era Star Trek series, they could’ve been the new Romulans. A race shrouded in secret and hostile towards other races.
True. I know this example isn't Star Trek, but the xenomorphs from the Alien franchise fit that perfectly. I've always thought it was better to keep their origin a mystery and just have them be a pest amongst the galaxy. Almost like a space cockroach, in that you never you when they'll show up.
@@hardy83 If no answer to a mystery is better than what the audience can come up with in their own heads and if it does nothing for the plot to answer said mystery, then it is best to keep it a mystery forever. If it is necessary to explore and explain the mystery so that the plot can be understood, then the mystery must be exposed. One doesn't tend to be satisfied with a murder mystery if the murder isn't solved, after all. The Breen were a perfect example of a mystery that never needed to be answered, because their mysteriousness to the audience is their primary recognizable trait. As soon as whatever is under that mask is exposed, and as soon as their speech is clearly audible and understood by the audience, the magic behind what makes the Breen compelling antagonists is gone.
@@Irish_Pubfirst few story arcs of Star Trek Online are far more interesting. Also technically canon because it features the same Enterprise F from Picards final episodes before those writers killed it quick just like the E.
@@Red_pine I've washed myself of the idea that Discovery takes part in the star trek universe. The vulcan trained insubordonate crazy lady is in charge.
I always imagine the Breen as Cthulhu like creatures with their heads looking like an octopus which is why the helmets have that snout to contain their tentacles. Also with their home is an M class planet but they live deep within the waters where it’s much colder & their cities are very Lovecrafting in design on par with R'lyeh. Also having them being aquatic base life forms could explain why they feed their prisoners algae paste. To also explain why no one’s ever seen a Breen without its suit is once they are exposed to temperatures/climates greater than their own, they would instantly evaporate into gas form killing them.
What surprises me about Discovery's approach to lore consistency is that Lower Decks somehow manages to be almost reverent of previous lore whilst taking the piss out of it. Discovery just says things that are outright contradictions seemingly at random.
THIS IS THE SAME AS MAKING MORN SPEAK. The Point of the Breen. WAS their mystery. like with MORN. I forget the name of the trope but it's the same as Morn being talkative yet he never utters a word.
That's because STD isn't Star Trek. Nothing in Kurtman Trek should be considered canonical in the pre-2005 sense. Put it all in a box, shove Kurtzman in their with it, and bury it at the bottom of the Mariana trench.
I'd like to believe the Breen force their soldiers to wear the refrigeration suits to keep them focused and on edge at all times. But no, according to DISCO the Breen need to wear walking freezers because they're liquid. Unless they choose not to be liquid. They're perfectly fine either way.
@@Norvo82 here's a much better way that Alex sucks man didn't think of they are. A colony of the founders when they sent that 100 baby changelings into space a lot of the collection and clutches of those changelings actually managed to travel into deep space into Klingon space. And they form their own society and like the changeling weigh the multiplied and became much more solid. They wanted to experience life love beauty and joy because they became infatuated by their planet but there was an issue with. Their morphogenic Matrix that didn't allow them to be solid for too long so they invented freezing units and suits in order to keep this morphogenetic phase to their biology in overtime. They created their own Society they needed the freezers in order to stay solid because they wanted to enjoy and love life. Or here's another reason the Breen are a offshoot of the founders they didn't want to enslave people and create a Dominion they wanted you to just get out of Dodge so they traveled across space but traveling across space due to solar radiation and solar events damage their morphogenic Matrix so they can't keep a shape forever but they eventually found a Homeworld in the created a colony and then an Empire of their own but they needed a suit in order to maintain their morphogenic Matrix
The Breen being gelatinous beings actually goes as far back as the old Star Trek D20 RPGs in the early 2000's. It's possible that's where they got the idea from. That being said it is strange that they'd need to remain cold to be a liquid and not the other way around...
Unreal that Discovery destroyed the lore of the Breen. The core aspect of the Breen was their mystery, including of having no blood. They've made them into this bizarre intersectional messaging character. Smh.
@nextlevelenglish5858 How are those ratings for Discovery, shill? This show's essentially subsidized agitprop. There isn't enough of you starting fake fights in comment sections that watches this failing show that is a veneer of Star Trek. No serious legacy fan thinks Discovery is not a destruction of the lore. This channel is dedicated to it at this point and here you are watching and commenting on it. Get outta here. Lol
Those are _not_ Breen. And this is not _Star Trek_ . This is borrowing the skin of _Star Trek_ . Walking in its skin until it's all stretched out and saggy and falls apart. It saddens me that the most _Trek_ thing they've made, _Prodigy_ , has so much that makes it look like _Star Wars: Clone Wars_ . And no, I'm not giving _Lesser Decks_ any further chances after their disgusting first season. Mariner is a psychopath, and all the other 'Starfleet' officers behave like grade schoolers. It's despicable.
Get it? Kurtzman insists that Hispanic characters in _Star Trek_ quaintly reminisce about their "abuela" praying to spirits even in the distant future.
Eh, Voyager was no better in this respect. While the whites are supposed to have moved on from "silly superstitions" in favor of science, the native-American was an exception and it was brave and beautiful that he hung on to stone-age beliefs.
the new Trek producers and writers think that there's only two kinds of Trek fans: 100% nostalgia-based old dudes that only want callbacks to old shows, or new viewers that don't care about Star Trek at all but the name recognition will get big budgets from the studios. Neither of those describe real viewers but oh well.
Those numbers do represent real viewers, it's just not that many. There are plenty of people in the comments who subject themselves to this and then wonder aloud how the show has made it this far.
Your neither and your statement proves that you are not a Trekkie fake fans are just as bad as new fans and disco Trekkies along with not knowing what Star Trek represents, teaches, or even means are what is destroying a once great franchise and fan base as an actual expert on Star Trek and a die-hard Trekkie I wish cowherds wannabe fake know it all would put there money were there mouth is but like the nerd, you are you won't which is why you don't know what getting laid feels like so how about you put your money were your mouth is and join a live stream or don't act like a badass
They really should've gone with the reveal made in the Typhon Pact novels. It actually did a good job of explaining the in-universe contradictions surrounding the Breen. It's obvious that the Discovery people took some inspiration from the old Star Trek Aliens RPG sourcebook for their take on the Breen, but the execution was beyond sloppy. Either way, sticking with the Typhon Pact's take for my Breen character in STO.
@@oiwithyou In the Typhon Pact novels, the Breen are revealed to be multiple species, all wearing the suits and collectively taking the name "Breen". The suits are primarily designed to eliminate bias and enforce conformity within their culture, though some are actually adapted to support certain species in the Confederacy. Species of note include the Amoniri (Liquid-based, actually require refrigeration suits, evaporate painfully in temperate climates), the Paclu (Large, strong, have four-lobed brains that give them resistance to mind reading) and the Fenrisal (Wolf-like, the reason the helmets have a snout).
"Your're Breen!" Syas the Captain from the 22cnd Centurey before they where encountered, but ofc she has studied everything about the last 1000 years so maticulously she is still in shock and awe.
According to comments made by Worf in DS9, the Breen have been known since the Second Empire during the 22nd century. I am by no means defending this show, but it is possible 22nd century Starfleet at least know they exist.
Bit of a cheat, but Discovery still has all that Sphere data stored in its database, with Zora providing easy access to it. Who knows what data they have on the Breen. But knowing about something and actually witnessing it yourself are two completely different things.
That was my feeling as well, that the suits were designed so that each specific species that were part of the Breen Confederacy could all wear them, but also designed in such a way that you could not tell what species inhabited each suit, thus all would be equal, and this would also confuse Intel gathering so that what might be discovered regarding 1 Breen may still be misleading if applied to another.
General grin It just goes to show as we've all known. Star Trek Discovery does not care about precedent. It does not care about making a good story. It's giving to the truth of the matter. Alex kurtzman eats to go and never be put on any Star Trek detail ever again we need nothing but Terry metallis Star Trek. He needs to be put in charge . Fire kurtzman
I never caught that in the episode major Grimm you're a general grin forget the major grin you've been promoted. I never noticed that. Thank you for bringing that out in your video
"...our continuing mission - to ruin Strange New Worlds, to seek out new mistakes and new contradictions, to boldly shit on what no one has shit on before!" - Captain Kurtzman
I know the whole alpha cannon and beta thing, they see to gloss over any good idea they have in the books, I quite liked the idea of the Breen being 4 different species, I'm not too fused about how star trek Burham has to say about or portraits them at this s5 is just a fever dream.
It's laughable that anyone would even try to reconcile anything between old Trek and nuTrek. The people making new Trek don't give a damn about continuity or contradictions with the old stuff. Just accept it as a completely different universe and your life will be much easier. 😆
@@man_in_black2002 Why have spare keys? Why have reserve lightbulbs? Why have a spare magazine? Why a spare oxygen tank? Why emergency power on a spaceship? It's never been shown useful to anyone. xD
@NephritduGrey The suit of the Breen is a Life support system for the Breen, without the suit they will die, and if the territory, where the Breen are stationed, does not have the same temperature as the planet of the Breen they will die. So it doesn't matter if the Breen have extra suits or not, so long there is no suitable place to change the suit, the Breen will likely die, in the process of changing the suit.
I’ve theorized for a long time that the Breen were a semi-gelatinous species that needed cold temperatures to maintain a solid form. I also believed that the Breen should always be a mystery.
STD just pulled a Paramount Halo series moment. Take badass characters with helmets that never showed their faces. And then take it off removing the fun and mystery established.... Lame.
okay i have a theory. i remember a breen lore video on youtube where the youtuber suggested that maybe the breen where gelatinous but had nothing to back it up. so my guess is that the writers watched that video and saw it as fact because they are idiots who dont understand star trek and have never watched anything before jar jar abrams.
Didn't the pre-Kelvin novels have the Breen Confederacy as a group of different species that wore the suits and helmets to prevent any kind of discrimination?
The coolest thing about the Breen were not knowing what they looked liked. Now they're just another dime store alien. It would have been cool if they were a gasbased lifeform and wore the suits to better fit in when offworld.
Kira wearing Breen suit does not mean, she saw what's inside. Might be that suit has internal "vaporize" function for Breen occupant, to destroy biological remains when it's forcibly removed (well known trope in SF; vide Space Above and Beyond, which aired in 1990s). Might be, that Kira just replicated the suit (also posibility).
I hope you did it on purpose, but I spotted the two different films in your thumbnail. (Left is a Breen, right is Leia disguised as an Ubese bounty hunter.)
At least with DS9 there are so real reasons for the inconsistencies. Wayune was probably lying, Kira could have found an empty suite and them not having blood makes a lot of since as many creatures that live in sub-zero temps ether don't have blood, or have anti-freeze in them which would still allow them to live in normal conditions. Now I 100% believe the Breen use the suites as a ploy, but Discovery...well, its just trying to ruin as much of the franchise before it is canceled.
Remember the days when we complained about how this week's alien has a new forehead wrinkle? What if Paramount could re-do all the 90's aliens like this, would the show be better?
Maybe they disolve on contact with air and Kira never saw what they "looked" like. Or they disolve upon death (ie, a self destruct). We don't hear of a cloaking device in DS9, but maybe that is how they attacked Earth. The one real issue is that they are said to have organic ships (mentioned on Voyager) but clearly don't on DS9. Unless those ships are a new design armed with the new dampening weapon.
Discovery writers ignoring canon and/or buggering something up on purpose?! Imagine my shock!! See how interesting it can be when everyone has their own theory about this mysterious race, we can see several on this thread alone... and then see how boring and mundane Discovery makes them. Absolute numbskulls.
I'm in 2 minds on this. The Breen having shape-shifting abilities does explain why the Changelings and Dominion forces became so chummy with them during DS9. A shared dislike of solids. It also explains how Wayoun could know the intelligence reports about the Breen homeworld were wrong. As the Breen may have trusted the Changelings with the info. But... being Discovery it's handled it in such a lazy manner it's just cheapened the whole reveal. It's like JJ Trek generates story ideas by using the random page link on the Memory Alpha website.
Discovery is set a thousand years after DS9. A thousand years ago we were still walking everywhere and believed the gods were smiting us because it rained.
Yeah I think we can all agree nothing of substance is being lost when Discovery is axed. The sooner it's gone, the sooner we can forget about all of its vandalisms against the lore. Every time a show references a Discovery addition, make it clear we want it ignored.
Kurtzman's goal in the time he has left is to track down every ST mystery no one cares about and reveal it as something stuipd, thus ruining all of ST lore.
You can't really count anything on STD as a simple contradiction within Trek. They have set their goal as ripping apart anything that came before them.
Despite WHAT the "showrunners" say, it's CLEAR that "NuTrek" in NOT in the same universe/continuity as Roddenberry/Berman "Trek". Episodes such as "Space Seed" (where Kirk and Spock were surprise to find out that Spock's research showed that some of the "Augments" had survived, even though according to "NuTrek", they interacted and served with La'an Noonien Singh, a direct descendant of his), or "Amok Time" (where for no clear reason, both Chapel AND Uhura had forgotten who T'Pring was, even though they had met her before in "NuTrek"), and on and on, shows that "NuTrek" CAN'T be "RodBer Trek" (Rodenberry/Berman).
Yes they are in the prime timeline and the same universe as the rest accept for the kelvin timeline accept for Romulus blowing up and a few other things so they might be bad but they are cannon and are in the same universe so get over it and before you say anything else provide proof of wait you can't but I can and I invite you and anyone else to take part in a live stream and I'll not only school you so called Trekkies but prove everything u said is a lie and everything wrong with new trek and how to fix it because unlike you I'm a real fan and a actual expert on the star trek universe and i can point out the good and the bad along with tell u how they could have made it better and I support it regardless of it being horrible so how about growing a pair and back up what you say
@@turtletube420 Lol! What are you, in third grade? There are WAY too many inconsistencies for it to be in the same universe, so I have NOTHING to "prove" to you, which is yet another reason that I don't watch that "NuTrek" trash (and apparently, given their "hidden ratings", not too many people watch is either). So, NONE of your juvenile "taunts" are working, buddy-boy. I don't like "NuTrek" and DON'T accept that it's in the same universe as Roddenberry/Berman "Trek", and other than WHINE, what are YOU going to DO about it? NOTHING. What CAN you DO about it? NOTHING. Lol!
@turtletube420 you spoke nonsensical contradictions. Saying it's Canon and then listing a bunch of exceptions. Which is it..? You must come from the Marvel fans. You don't just get to tear down what was before and build a whole new thing using the names and likenesses. That's literally not how RetCons work. Do you also belive property is theft?
Yeah it's like they wanted to copy the whole 'multiverse' thing from marvel so they didn't have to actually create anything new or original. And we seem what these folks did to Star Wars. You can't just buy something and totally remake out and call it official simply because you own an IP. Look at what's happened with that game The Crew...
For real. I guess we really needed a 3 minute video for 1 contradiction. And we really, really needed it to be padded with 2 and a half minutes of "facts" , that even the characters saying them admit are all rumors and speculation. I understand that some folks don't like having the answer to a mystery, but if that's the case, maybe focus on that, instead of making new problems to be mad about
This travesty reminds me of the Space Jockey reveal in Prometheus it was just some big generic bald blue guy underneath the suit, how creatively bankrupt.
1:27 Don't the Breen all wear the same suits? Shouldn't they recognize L'ak as Breen immediately? I mean it's like looking at a picture of someone dressed like the Borg and saying they're a mystery. No. Either they are Borg or they are pretending to be Borg.
This also ruins the language aspect of the Breen. Their weird, garbled, electronic language made them seem more alien and disconnected from other races. Like, for some physiological reason, they could not speak other languages, or could not use universal translators. Not only are they generic green aliens now, but it also turns out they could speak perfect English all along.
I'm not sure that's supposed to be blood coming out of L'ak. I think that's HIM. Like, they're kind of like Changelings. Makes sense why they teamed up with them in DS9.
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They took one of the most mysterious races in Trek and turned them into generic green people.
I am not surprised in the slightest.
If they did a proper continuation from the next generation era Star Trek series, they could’ve been the new Romulans. A race shrouded in secret and hostile towards other races.
Brownish-green.... or Breen if you will....
Sometimes a mystery should just be that.
True. I know this example isn't Star Trek, but the xenomorphs from the Alien franchise fit that perfectly. I've always thought it was better to keep their origin a mystery and just have them be a pest amongst the galaxy. Almost like a space cockroach, in that you never you when they'll show up.
But then how would we know how Han Solo got his name!??!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?
Contemporary demands to explore all mysteries is so stupid. lol
@@hardy83 Case in point: The Timeless Children. 🤬
@@hardy83 If no answer to a mystery is better than what the audience can come up with in their own heads and if it does nothing for the plot to answer said mystery, then it is best to keep it a mystery forever. If it is necessary to explore and explain the mystery so that the plot can be understood, then the mystery must be exposed. One doesn't tend to be satisfied with a murder mystery if the murder isn't solved, after all.
The Breen were a perfect example of a mystery that never needed to be answered, because their mysteriousness to the audience is their primary recognizable trait. As soon as whatever is under that mask is exposed, and as soon as their speech is clearly audible and understood by the audience, the magic behind what makes the Breen compelling antagonists is gone.
Yeah, the Breen were more interesting when they were a mystery.
Another thing destroyed by STD.
Alot of things are more interesting left up to the viewers or readers imagination.
Star Trek was more interesting in the 90s by a long way. It felt far more thought provoking.
I just don't view anything Discovery or Picard puts out as canon. It helps.
@@Irish_Pubfirst few story arcs of Star Trek Online are far more interesting. Also technically canon because it features the same Enterprise F from Picards final episodes before those writers killed it quick just like the E.
In Kurtzman's mysterious void he calls a brain, contradiction means consistency.
Consistently contradictory!
@@jmwoods190 Exactly.
destroying old canon legacy just for some episodes
That's Kurtzman's "legacy," for ya
The Breen here look too much like the Discovery Klingons from season one
And Typhon pact books
@@darkyuriofnod8307True.
Those arnt canon and we hardly know anything about tje breen @darkyuriofnod8307
They look so generic and kind of similar to their version of the Klingons and that pink alien from the first season
Copy, paste
Yeah given how old Trek described them, I was expecting something *really* alien, akin to the Sheliak or the Tholians, not "green humanoid."
They are literally going through every piece of Star Trek lore to ruin it bit by bit, aren't they?
Yeah the writers don't care. All they see is lots of opportunities to write history by destroying all that is "holy"
@@Red_pine I've washed myself of the idea that Discovery takes part in the star trek universe. The vulcan trained insubordonate crazy lady is in charge.
They literally chopped Icheb into pieces on screen, so... yeah.
Because they literally hate everything about classic Trek. And evil can only corrupt and destroy, not create.
They have ruined the past (TOS), the future (post-VOY), now it's DS9's turn to get the "deconstruction" treatment.
Writers room:
Writer 1: so uh....the Breen. What should they look like?
Writer 2: Breen rhymes with Green.
Writer 1:....OK!
I always imagine the Breen as Cthulhu like creatures with their heads looking like an octopus which is why the helmets have that snout to contain their tentacles. Also with their home is an M class planet but they live deep within the waters where it’s much colder & their cities are very Lovecrafting in design on par with R'lyeh. Also having them being aquatic base life forms could explain why they feed their prisoners algae paste. To also explain why no one’s ever seen a Breen without its suit is once they are exposed to temperatures/climates greater than their own, they would instantly evaporate into gas form killing them.
Oooohh good call. I liked the books' reason better, but still great idea. You should write.
@@aSimpleTailor even if I do, I doubt anyone would be interested lease of all Kurtzman
@@Howyaduing Or they'll be jealous that you came up with a better explanation than them.
What surprises me about Discovery's approach to lore consistency is that Lower Decks somehow manages to be almost reverent of previous lore whilst taking the piss out of it. Discovery just says things that are outright contradictions seemingly at random.
It feels like comparing Shakespeare to Wattpad.
I couldn't have put it better myself.
THIS IS THE SAME AS MAKING MORN SPEAK.
The Point of the Breen. WAS their mystery. like with MORN. I forget the name of the trope but it's the same as Morn being talkative yet he never utters a word.
Can never have a mystery. Bet the writers thought they were so clever.
The writers have no idea what they’re doing.
The Breen being gelatinous beings actually goes as far back as the old Star Trek D20 RPGs in the early 2000's. They probably got the idea from there.
@@UndyingNephalim I wonder if that's where the idea for the gelatinous crew-member on The Orville comes from!
Star Trek Discovery really loves to copy Iron Man and Tron suits.
Reminds me a ton of Isaacs suit in dead space 2 with how it opens up
That's because STD isn't Star Trek. Nothing in Kurtman Trek should be considered canonical in the pre-2005 sense. Put it all in a box, shove Kurtzman in their with it, and bury it at the bottom of the Mariana trench.
I'd like to believe the Breen force their soldiers to wear the refrigeration suits to keep them focused and on edge at all times. But no, according to DISCO the Breen need to wear walking freezers because they're liquid. Unless they choose not to be liquid. They're perfectly fine either way.
They prefer the term "fluid"... gender fluid? *rolleyes*
So changelings
@@wolfbane7497 Maybe? They pretty much look the same as a liquid, though that's maybe because their freezer units turn them into sentient popsicles.
@@Norvo82 here's a much better way that Alex sucks man didn't think of they are. A colony of the founders when they sent that 100 baby changelings into space a lot of the collection and clutches of those changelings actually managed to travel into deep space into Klingon space. And they form their own society and like the changeling weigh the multiplied and became much more solid. They wanted to experience life love beauty and joy because they became infatuated by their planet but there was an issue with. Their morphogenic Matrix that didn't allow them to be solid for too long so they invented freezing units and suits in order to keep this morphogenetic phase to their biology in overtime. They created their own Society they needed the freezers in order to stay solid because they wanted to enjoy and love life.
Or here's another reason the Breen are a offshoot of the founders they didn't want to enslave people and create a Dominion they wanted you to just get out of Dodge so they traveled across space but traveling across space due to solar radiation and solar events damage their morphogenic Matrix so they can't keep a shape forever but they eventually found a Homeworld in the created a colony and then an Empire of their own but they needed a suit in order to maintain their morphogenic Matrix
The Breen being gelatinous beings actually goes as far back as the old Star Trek D20 RPGs in the early 2000's. It's possible that's where they got the idea from. That being said it is strange that they'd need to remain cold to be a liquid and not the other way around...
Unreal that Discovery destroyed the lore of the Breen. The core aspect of the Breen was their mystery, including of having no blood. They've made them into this bizarre intersectional messaging character. Smh.
no one has "destroyed" anything
@nextlevelenglish5858 How are those ratings for Discovery, shill? This show's essentially subsidized agitprop. There isn't enough of you starting fake fights in comment sections that watches this failing show that is a veneer of Star Trek. No serious legacy fan thinks Discovery is not a destruction of the lore. This channel is dedicated to it at this point and here you are watching and commenting on it. Get outta here. Lol
@@DarthBalsamic no. I love Discovrry and I think you are wrong.
Those are _not_ Breen.
And this is not _Star Trek_ . This is borrowing the skin of _Star Trek_ . Walking in its skin until it's all stretched out and saggy and falls apart.
It saddens me that the most _Trek_ thing they've made, _Prodigy_ , has so much that makes it look like _Star Wars: Clone Wars_ . And no, I'm not giving _Lesser Decks_ any further chances after their disgusting first season. Mariner is a psychopath, and all the other 'Starfleet' officers behave like grade schoolers. It's despicable.
So, basically like the Son’a from Insurrection?
generic nu-trek alien
Get it?
Kurtzman insists that Hispanic characters in _Star Trek_ quaintly reminisce about their "abuela" praying to spirits even in the distant future.
Well, his neighbor is Hispanic so obviously, Kurtzman knows everything about Latinos, and is the most banjee white guy on Earth.
Eh, Voyager was no better in this respect. While the whites are supposed to have moved on from "silly superstitions" in favor of science, the native-American was an exception and it was brave and beautiful that he hung on to stone-age beliefs.
@@BoopSnoot
Akoocheemoya.
Bless you.
(SHUT UP!)
@@Kazuo1G Still cracks me up that a random Jewish guy convinced the studios that he was Cherokee, made that up, and nobody called him out on it.
@@BoopSnoot Wait what?
the new Trek producers and writers think that there's only two kinds of Trek fans: 100% nostalgia-based old dudes that only want callbacks to old shows, or new viewers that don't care about Star Trek at all but the name recognition will get big budgets from the studios.
Neither of those describe real viewers but oh well.
Those numbers do represent real viewers, it's just not that many.
There are plenty of people in the comments who subject themselves to this and then wonder aloud how the show has made it this far.
Your neither and your statement proves that you are not a Trekkie fake fans are just as bad as new fans and disco Trekkies along with not knowing what Star Trek represents, teaches, or even means are what is destroying a once great franchise and fan base as an actual expert on Star Trek and a die-hard Trekkie I wish cowherds wannabe fake know it all would put there money were there mouth is but like the nerd, you are you won't which is why you don't know what getting laid feels like so how about you put your money were your mouth is and join a live stream or don't act like a badass
A good writer preserves a long-running mystery like the Breen and augments it by raising more questions. This _isn't_ that.
How quaint of you to imply KurtzTrek is capable of "good writers"
They really should've gone with the reveal made in the Typhon Pact novels. It actually did a good job of explaining the in-universe contradictions surrounding the Breen.
It's obvious that the Discovery people took some inspiration from the old Star Trek Aliens RPG sourcebook for their take on the Breen, but the execution was beyond sloppy.
Either way, sticking with the Typhon Pact's take for my Breen character in STO.
Would you mind elaborating?
@@oiwithyou In the Typhon Pact novels, the Breen are revealed to be multiple species, all wearing the suits and collectively taking the name "Breen". The suits are primarily designed to eliminate bias and enforce conformity within their culture, though some are actually adapted to support certain species in the Confederacy.
Species of note include the Amoniri (Liquid-based, actually require refrigeration suits, evaporate painfully in temperate climates), the Paclu (Large, strong, have four-lobed brains that give them resistance to mind reading) and the Fenrisal (Wolf-like, the reason the helmets have a snout).
@@MGoblinThat's actually quite fascinating.
@@oiwithyou Not mention very metal.
Kiera: "Ive seen what Breen look like but... I can't be arsed to tell anyone"
"Your're Breen!" Syas the Captain from the 22cnd Centurey before they where encountered, but ofc she has studied everything about the last 1000 years so maticulously she is still in shock and awe.
According to comments made by Worf in DS9, the Breen have been known since the Second Empire during the 22nd century. I am by no means defending this show, but it is possible 22nd century Starfleet at least know they exist.
Bit of a cheat, but Discovery still has all that Sphere data stored in its database, with Zora providing easy access to it. Who knows what data they have on the Breen. But knowing about something and actually witnessing it yourself are two completely different things.
she has mentioned the Breen before
Written people who have never watched Star Trek in their lives, and who have nothing but contempt for the fans.
How did it even flew over their heads that Breen are taller than ordinary humanoids?
Those masks look awfully similar to that one bounty hunter costume in return of the jedi
You mean the one Leia wore? Pretty sure that was on purpose.
The Halo show writers are orgasming over this
Why be surprised. No one who works on Discovery has ever watched Star Trek.
Wasn't it implied that the Breen were made up of multiple species, but they all wear the same suits?
That was my feeling as well, that the suits were designed so that each specific species that were part of the Breen Confederacy could all wear them, but also designed in such a way that you could not tell what species inhabited each suit, thus all would be equal, and this would also confuse Intel gathering so that what might be discovered regarding 1 Breen may still be misleading if applied to another.
0:40 The female Changeling has the same look on her face that I have when I watch _DISCO_
General grin It just goes to show as we've all known. Star Trek Discovery does not care about precedent. It does not care about making a good story. It's giving to the truth of the matter. Alex kurtzman eats to go and never be put on any Star Trek detail ever again we need nothing but Terry metallis Star Trek. He needs to be put in charge . Fire kurtzman
Discovery was like 'How can we mess up the universe one more time on our way out?'
Last episode of Star Trek Discovery be like:
Nah, it was all a dream... LOL
It was all Q taking the piss the whole time!
Glad they cleared up that mystery. Saves me so much time now that I don't need to use my imagination speculating and theorizing about them.
Good thing this show isn't for people with an imagination, it's for your average NPC capeshit enjoyer.
Wait. If no one has ever seen one under the suit, then did Kira just find an empty suit lying around? If she had taken it from one of the guards...
I wondered that when it first aired.
@@BrianLarney I think if I remember right she wears one later on in the show as well to hide on Cardassia but I might be wrong.
I asked myself that question too?
they got the breen speaking robotized sardaukar chant
I never caught that in the episode major Grimm you're a general grin forget the major grin you've been promoted. I never noticed that. Thank you for bringing that out in your video
"...our continuing mission - to ruin Strange New Worlds, to seek out new mistakes and new contradictions, to boldly shit on what no one has shit on before!" - Captain Kurtzman
I know the whole alpha cannon and beta thing, they see to gloss over any good idea they have in the books, I quite liked the idea of the Breen being 4 different species, I'm not too fused about how star trek Burham has to say about or portraits them at this s5 is just a fever dream.
It's laughable that anyone would even try to reconcile anything between old Trek and nuTrek. The people making new Trek don't give a damn about continuity or contradictions with the old stuff. Just accept it as a completely different universe and your life will be much easier. 😆
Kira being in a Breen suit doesn't mean she stole it from an actual Breen. She most likely took an empty suit from their supplies
Why should bring the Breen extra suits , if they already wear there suits?
@@man_in_black2002 Anal leakage.
Yeah iv recall. It was always a sit she found in the reserves suits. It would be dumb for them not to bring extra suits - malfunctions, damage etc
@@man_in_black2002 Why have spare keys? Why have reserve lightbulbs? Why have a spare magazine? Why a spare oxygen tank? Why emergency power on a spaceship? It's never been shown useful to anyone. xD
@NephritduGrey The suit of the Breen is a Life support system for the Breen, without the suit they will die, and if the territory, where the Breen are stationed, does not have the same temperature as the planet of the Breen they will die. So it doesn't matter if the Breen have extra suits or not, so long there is no suitable place to change the suit, the Breen will likely die, in the process of changing the suit.
I’ve theorized for a long time that the Breen were a semi-gelatinous species that needed cold temperatures to maintain a solid form.
I also believed that the Breen should always be a mystery.
STD just pulled a Paramount Halo series moment.
Take badass characters with helmets that never showed their faces.
And then take it off removing the fun and mystery established....
Lame.
More proof that the writers on Discovery haven't bothered watching the other series....sad.
okay i have a theory. i remember a breen lore video on youtube where the youtuber suggested that maybe the breen where gelatinous but had nothing to back it up. so my guess is that the writers watched that video and saw it as fact because they are idiots who dont understand star trek and have never watched anything before jar jar abrams.
Is that isaac Clarke from the hit videogame dead space? Cuz that sure ain't no breen...
Didn't the pre-Kelvin novels have the Breen Confederacy as a group of different species that wore the suits and helmets to prevent any kind of discrimination?
The coolest thing about the Breen were not knowing what they looked liked. Now they're just another dime store alien.
It would have been cool if they were a gasbased lifeform and wore the suits to better fit in when offworld.
Why does everyone in STD mumble?, I couldn't understand a word they were saying. DS9 actors were clear as day.
Kira wearing Breen suit does not mean, she saw what's inside. Might be that suit has internal "vaporize" function for Breen occupant, to destroy biological remains when it's forcibly removed (well known trope in SF; vide Space Above and Beyond, which aired in 1990s). Might be, that Kira just replicated the suit (also posibility).
or was a reserve suit with no one in it. For a species reliant on them so much a couple reserve suits seems logical.
The Breen from DS9 do look like Boushh the Bounty Hunter from Star Wars. George Lucas cited Star Trek as one of his inspirations behind Star Wars.
I hope you did it on purpose, but I spotted the two different films in your thumbnail.
(Left is a Breen, right is Leia disguised as an Ubese bounty hunter.)
I love it! I am glad they chose the Breen for the last season of this great show!
They really gave the Breen unmasking to the same people who did that disastrous Klingon redesign?
At least with DS9 there are so real reasons for the inconsistencies. Wayune was probably lying, Kira could have found an empty suite and them not having blood makes a lot of since as many creatures that live in sub-zero temps ether don't have blood, or have anti-freeze in them which would still allow them to live in normal conditions. Now I 100% believe the Breen use the suites as a ploy, but Discovery...well, its just trying to ruin as much of the franchise before it is canceled.
Discovery isn't cannon.
Discovery isn't Trek full stop
Listen, I may not like much of Discovery, but don't seethe like that. It's pathetic.
@@MateriaMaster FFVII name? Pathetic.
Remember the days when we complained about how this week's alien has a new forehead wrinkle? What if Paramount could re-do all the 90's aliens like this, would the show be better?
Maybe they disolve on contact with air and Kira never saw what they "looked" like. Or they disolve upon death (ie, a self destruct). We don't hear of a cloaking device in DS9, but maybe that is how they attacked Earth. The one real issue is that they are said to have organic ships (mentioned on Voyager) but clearly don't on DS9. Unless those ships are a new design armed with the new dampening weapon.
Next, they'll have Morn talking
Discovery writers ignoring canon and/or buggering something up on purpose?! Imagine my shock!!
See how interesting it can be when everyone has their own theory about this mysterious race, we can see several on this thread alone... and then see how boring and mundane Discovery makes them. Absolute numbskulls.
So we basically have producers and writers who doesn't even care about canon and the universe of Star Trek
I'm in 2 minds on this.
The Breen having shape-shifting abilities does explain why the Changelings and Dominion forces became so chummy with them during DS9. A shared dislike of solids.
It also explains how Wayoun could know the intelligence reports about the Breen homeworld were wrong. As the Breen may have trusted the Changelings with the info.
But... being Discovery it's handled it in such a lazy manner it's just cheapened the whole reveal.
It's like JJ Trek generates story ideas by using the random page link on the Memory Alpha website.
Green breen jelly bean
I guess this would mean that the Founders allied with the Breen because they're sort of shape shifters, too.
a green jelly klingon with a darth vader voice. brilliant screenwriting.
Discovery is set a thousand years after DS9. A thousand years ago we were still walking everywhere and believed the gods were smiting us because it rained.
Yeah I think we can all agree nothing of substance is being lost when Discovery is axed. The sooner it's gone, the sooner we can forget about all of its vandalisms against the lore. Every time a show references a Discovery addition, make it clear we want it ignored.
So one of the writers confirmed that they are gelatinous. So the Breen are evolving towards the state the Founders are. They're in the middle.
I consider everything post Voyager non canon. You can do the same.
This is like when they made the Timeless Child for doctor who. His origin should never be revealed and the Breen should never have thier mask removed.
Hur Dur BiRgeneRaTiOn!
Kurtzman's goal in the time he has left is to track down every ST mystery no one cares about and reveal it as something stuipd, thus ruining all of ST lore.
What lore was destoyed? The breen had no lore. Except that their homeworld was *possibly* very cold. Thats litterally all we knew about them.
You can't really count anything on STD as a simple contradiction within Trek. They have set their goal as ripping apart anything that came before them.
1:36 They stole the helmet removal from MCU.
Despite WHAT the "showrunners" say, it's CLEAR that "NuTrek" in NOT in the same universe/continuity as Roddenberry/Berman "Trek". Episodes such as "Space Seed" (where Kirk and Spock were surprise to find out that Spock's research showed that some of the "Augments" had survived, even though according to "NuTrek", they interacted and served with La'an Noonien Singh, a direct descendant of his), or "Amok Time" (where for no clear reason, both Chapel AND Uhura had forgotten who T'Pring was, even though they had met her before in "NuTrek"), and on and on, shows that "NuTrek" CAN'T be "RodBer Trek" (Rodenberry/Berman).
Yes they are in the prime timeline and the same universe as the rest accept for the kelvin timeline accept for Romulus blowing up and a few other things so they might be bad but they are cannon and are in the same universe so get over it and before you say anything else provide proof of wait you can't but I can and I invite you and anyone else to take part in a live stream and I'll not only school you so called Trekkies but prove everything u said is a lie and everything wrong with new trek and how to fix it because unlike you I'm a real fan and a actual expert on the star trek universe and i can point out the good and the bad along with tell u how they could have made it better and I support it regardless of it being horrible so how about growing a pair and back up what you say
@@turtletube420 Lol! What are you, in third grade? There are WAY too many inconsistencies for it to be in the same universe, so I have NOTHING to "prove" to you, which is yet another reason that I don't watch that "NuTrek" trash (and apparently, given their "hidden ratings", not too many people watch is either).
So, NONE of your juvenile "taunts" are working, buddy-boy. I don't like "NuTrek" and DON'T accept that it's in the same universe as Roddenberry/Berman "Trek", and other than WHINE, what are YOU going to DO about it? NOTHING. What CAN you DO about it? NOTHING. Lol!
@@turtletube420 Blah, blah blah. Well, SOMEBODY (YOU) REALLY got "triggered", didn't ya? Well, "hit dogs always yell", don't they? Lol!
@turtletube420 you spoke nonsensical contradictions. Saying it's Canon and then listing a bunch of exceptions. Which is it..? You must come from the Marvel fans. You don't just get to tear down what was before and build a whole new thing using the names and likenesses. That's literally not how RetCons work. Do you also belive property is theft?
Yeah it's like they wanted to copy the whole 'multiverse' thing from marvel so they didn't have to actually create anything new or original. And we seem what these folks did to Star Wars. You can't just buy something and totally remake out and call it official simply because you own an IP. Look at what's happened with that game The Crew...
my guy really made a video called "contridictions" that showed no contradictions
except the Breen having no blood and suddenly they do
For real. I guess we really needed a 3 minute video for 1 contradiction. And we really, really needed it to be padded with 2 and a half minutes of "facts" , that even the characters saying them admit are all rumors and speculation.
I understand that some folks don't like having the answer to a mystery, but if that's the case, maybe focus on that, instead of making new problems to be mad about
Why is it so hard to understand the dialog in the Discovery clips? Sub par acting? Lousy mic setup? Nolanesque soundmix?
*whisper whisper* *cry cry* I mean that's basically STD's dialogue.
This travesty reminds me of the Space Jockey reveal in Prometheus it was just some big generic bald blue guy underneath the suit, how creatively bankrupt.
ok from now on no one is allowed to take their helmets off or have it morph/open up/do anything to show their faces.
The STD showrunners probably loved the Han Solo movie too.
That was decent, not trash like STD
1:27 Don't the Breen all wear the same suits? Shouldn't they recognize L'ak as Breen immediately? I mean it's like looking at a picture of someone dressed like the Borg and saying they're a mystery. No. Either they are Borg or they are pretending to be Borg.
One of the reasons they moved Discovery 800 years into the future was to keep from making so many continuity errors. Didn't help.
Also isn’t the thumbnail from Star Wars?
they were inspired by Leia's disguise.
God new Trek is so fucking shit, can't leave anything a mystery and they just straight up show us the Breen. ffs
Bold to assume its blood and not hydraulic muscle fluid.
... sigh...*Cillion Murphy face*
Why does La'ak look like that Klingon woman from season 1?
They are saving money by using old makeup and SNW scenarios (ISS ent.)
@@mariooli9268 Your jaded truth is invigorating.
“I always wanted to know what the Breen looked like”
- nobody
(Except Ezri and Weyoun - I meant outside the show itself)
In my head canon the Breen looks like tali'zorah they wear that suit to keep the germs out.
This also ruins the language aspect of the Breen. Their weird, garbled, electronic language made them seem more alien and disconnected from other races. Like, for some physiological reason, they could not speak other languages, or could not use universal translators. Not only are they generic green aliens now, but it also turns out they could speak perfect English all along.
Lol why did they even include the Breen if they were going to not follow anything from DS9?
Still blows my mind they're on seaaon five.
Well, it's in baby season numbering.
Weren't the Breen a confederacy of different species based on equality where racial prejudices were preempted by similitude in presentation?
I'm not sure that's supposed to be blood coming out of L'ak. I think that's HIM. Like, they're kind of like Changelings. Makes sense why they teamed up with them in DS9.
Except they cant actually change into anything. So more like Yaphet from Orville
@@NitpickingNerd Apart from the form we see them change into onscreen, of course.
Why is the image on the thumb nail Princess Leia in the alien disguise from Return of the Jedi?
Thats the original breen costume
@@NitpickingNerdthe one on the left is but the right is from Star wars
Thought I was going crazy because no one was mentioning this in the comments. Thanks, maybe we are both crazy but I think you are right.
@@a1b9e7l6yea I tried to put a link but our RUclips overlords deleted my post
So, are they proto-changlings?
I think it's some sort of cultural bio-engineering. La'ak (whatever) is akin to a 19th century Chinese girl rejecting foot binding.
Could be worse...they could have turned them into xenomorphs like the Gorn in SNW
Or KlingOrcs...
They probably went through some kind of evolution or genetic modification?