Why Gutenberg Wont Win The Wordpress Page Builder Battle...
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- Опубликовано: 4 янв 2023
- Let's talk about Gutenberg and the battle of the WordPress page builders? In this video, i'll give you my opinion about Gutenberg and how it will pan out with other WordPress page builders.
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Hey Party People! What are your thoughts on Gutenberg and the battle of the wordpress page builders! Tell me in the comments below!
its for different market, because lack of customization,
take a look bricks builder, less bloat than other page builder,
how can I do "SEO" to website create by HTML5 and CSS3 if you have any tutorial, or you know any RUclipsrs do it please send it to me
I do not care for it. It caused me a lot of problems with Avada theme and with Elementor page builder. I am looking for ways to minimize my use of plugins and Gutenberg does not help me do that.
@@abbytonyardor3701 Best solution is Flatsome theme
@@umairjawed8664 I will look into it. Thanks!
as developer we try to work with gutenberg but eachtime we ended ab screaming. the are missing key functions. they should cancel guttenberg and try to build new from scrach.
From what I heard is that Gutenberg builds with very clean code. You did not address that. This improves the loading speed of your website . So it depends on your primary goal , for me this Goorgle ranking factor is very important.
I think the issue is when you say clean code you need to define clean code because it’s subjective. Page builders alone can all make your website load under one second so I think the argument is a little irrelevant to the average consumer.
@@darrelwilson You compared it to Elementor. Are you sure clean code needs to be deifened to say what Elementor's code is....?
Been doing this for while, 2010 to be exact, so I’ll weigh in with my two cents. We usually build sites with ACF and php templates, but recently we had a client with a large project who needed Elementor and JetEngine sites. It’s honestly been the worst experience of my career as a developer. I’m sure these page builders have there place when you need to build a site quickly on a limited budget, but for large serious projects I just don’t think they’re appropriate in my opinion. Too many plugin conflicts, and you just end up with a very bloated difficult to maintain project. Never again. Get as close to native Gutenberg as possible, that would be my advice.
Clean code is semantically correct code that is accessible out of the box. If spaghetti code that is accessible and could be refactored a bit is clean, that is subjective. Most page builders are just money printing machines that try to argue, that you don't need to code to achieve everything. That is why Gutenberg will will in the long term. Regarding Elementor - if you are a non coder and rely on Elementor without optimizing it - then your website won't be 100% accessible. This is just a no go for a page builder with so many active users. Most page builders suck below the surface and you can't use components without a mouse. This is just stupid. And it's also stupid that there are still "I'm a WordPress Developer" Persons out there with "10 years of experience" that have no clue what :focus-visible means or what ARIA is. Hell no. Good old stupid influencer world where everyone gets the most provisons for tools/plugins with the badest code. This is wordpress at the moment.
I have been a WordPress developer for several years. Just 3 years ago I used Elementor, Divi... And I will never go back to it. If someone is a real developer (not one whose skills end with installing a dozen or so plugins and clicking them), then he knows that Elementor or Divi clutter and slow down the website. Performance tests are weak with these builders. You always need to install other plugins to speed up the page.
Not so with Gutenberg. For my projects, I write my Gutenberg blocks using React. The way in which assets are loaded is similar to modern applications (we only load styles and js of the blocks we use). Every page made this way scores 90+ on Google PageSpeed Insights tests (without any caching plugin).
I have the impression that all 'developers' want a tool that they can click on anything. When creating a page, you don't need a lot of widgets, a lot of meaningless options. It is enough to encode what is in the graphic design and that's it.
Thanks to share your experience!
As a professional WordPress developer I totally agree and follow your way of developing.
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So you could develop your own block plugins and integrate them into the editor like many developers do. The question that arises to me Why should I develop my own blocks?
I was looking for this answer! I feel very satisfied when I see people mixing technologies. I started with html, css and js. I really like programming and the ability to read and understand code.
Back in 2017 when Gutenberg builder didn’t exist I used Siteorigin builder and added html/css manually. I hate elementor and all sort of drag and drop builders. Nowadays I use Kadence theme and kadence blocks for gutenberg, free version. The speed of the website is excellent! Elementor really slowers the websites.
I think the Addons really help make Gutenberg a much better builder. 👍🏻
I had a similar experience when transitioning from Elementor to Kadence and Kadence Blocks. Once I got used to their row and column model, I found the user experience and speed to be truly satisfying. However, my personal issue with Gutenberg is that I prioritize speed and struggle with the constant influx of new options. Every few months, there seems to be a new page builder like Bricks, Cwicly, Gutenverse, or Greenshift, and I feel like I can never specialize. Plus, I still feel nostalgic about Elementor and keep up with their updates to see if they've finally optimized their code base to work seamlessly with Gutenberg.
I'm a total newbie & have WP. -My domain (which HAD a beautiful website but GD changed platforms and made my beautifully designed site that THEY designed - worthless - stagnant in the water, unable to use.....they said they'd redesign it on their new platform (WP) for another $900. I dumped them. Now my domain is just sitting there & I can't afford a designer so I have to do this all myself - I've been chatting/live w/Hostgator which I have WP on...desperately needing to understand my way around to start with a simple blog and landing page - it's GREEK to me - you're helping. I have Gutenberg, but really need to understand so I can start simply, make changes, add things to it as my understanding grows. All the links sent from Hostgator in their attempt to educate me that are titled BUILD A BLOG EASILY FOR BEGINNERS - (I've been reading them all) - and it IS NOT EASY!!!!! Thank you for helping. After listening to this video - I am now TOTALLY confused about Guttenberg. I don't know what to choose that's going to STICK AROUND, be user friendly, intuitive and not pull the rug out on me after I go thru learning this stuff.
Page builders like Elementor, Divi, Brizy, etc. are mostly used for creative and special designs and beautiful websites! However, the main battle among websites is SEO and speed and having more customers to make more money, not just the beautiful design!!! So, Gutenberg is too enough for these goals. But not Gutenberg itself individually. An addon like Kadence Blocks, Generate Blocks, etc. is required to have a better experience while using Gutenberg.
GreenShift best construct Gutenberg.
I don't understand Is it replacing theme builders like Elemento or Divi by installing only addons in Gudenberg? Is this compatible with existing themes? Is it possible to use it in combination with Elemento? I use the Newspaper theme and have my own built-in builder, so I wonder if it's okay to use it redundantly?
Elementor can create some horribly unoptimized sites. Using Gutenberg, you can pretty much always run it on the cheapest $2/month hosting plan you can find. I've seen hundreds of sites go from loading in well over 5 seconds to less than a second just by disabling elementor. On a decent hosting plan, Gutenberg sites should load in about half a second.
So on low tier hosting plans, which tons of clients prefer since they don't understand what hosting is or why they need it, Elementor is not good. On a decent plan though, it's not a big deal.
Hi Darrel do you know how to create Menus in Wordpress 6.2 they have changed it and i was trying to follow your tutorial and realized the version you were using is not the same as the 2023 6.2 which they have removed the menu under Apperence.
Can Elementor create Menus and reoganise them easily, the way old wordpress used to do.
I have chosen Cwicly for my advanced webpage builder, I use Gutenberg for clients that are looking for single page or extremely cheap webpage building.
Problems with Gutenberg is that Wordpress do not accept that blog creators don’t need new design for every blog post!
Kadence
A little clarification.
The main Gutenberg editor + FSE that comes with WP core is different from third party Gutenberg page builders.
Even though people who use those third party Gutenberg page builders claim to use Gutenberg, but in reality. They are using just another page builder that layers on top of the WP core.
The Gutenberg core is horrible, I don't think anyone can use it to build pages. Hence the reason developers created third party "Gutenberg" Page builders to improve on core.
Since these developers have to maintain the flow and keep things as close to the Guttenberg core as possible, it makes these page builders hard to use.
Gutenberg page builder users argue that it builds fast site.
But, I think I am better of using a proper page builder like Elementor. I will not trade its flexibility for a few milliseconds of load time.
Is it possible to use Gutenberg AND Elementor at the same time? Gutenberg = speed and lightweight, which Elementor lack, so I'm wondering if it's possible to use Gutenberg as a base and Elementor for everything That Gutenberg (and its addons) can't do or do less well?
signed up to your namehero link support is basically non existent and when i bought and loaded the wordpress site it’s stuck looks like and ssl problem but the guy i was talking to disappeared
Whatever works. I'm currently digging Cwicly, Greenshift, Bricks, etc. I think you're right about the future of Gute being joined at the hips with pagebuilders in some form.
How's your current experience with Greenshift being like ? Is it better than Spectra?
@@emmanuel4christ1 --- I still haven't used Greenshift. I'm sticking with Bricks for now and perhaps Cwicly on dynamic sites that require ACF PRO since it's built in to Cwicly.
Gutenberg is a great editor and will become a great builder in my opinion. Also, if you build a relatively simple website, Gutenberg is the right tool. Elementor and other builders are great for more complex websites.
ultimately it depends on what you are trying to create. i personally hate using Gutenberg. i find it clunky and dated feeling causing more time and energy expended for an end result that leaves a lot to be desired. but like anything - there's a place for it and for those who enjoy it - more power to you!
Hey, Darrel. Terrific video. Very informative. You're a generous man. Thanks, old friend.
Which one of these is more client friendly? Gutenberg tends to have a steeper learning curve.
What about with other blocks libraries? Like ultimate blocks spectra etc…? I have brizy pro but I mean Gutenberg has all the same things with block libraries even css animations plug-in. Idk just speaking out loud asking lol
Please do also a video about Bricks. Seems to be rising very quickly now. I might be a bit nearer to coding than the other page builders, but I find it logical, and it gives very clean results. Btw also looking forward to the Divi 5 update.
hey micheal, ill look into this. I still dont have the alpha from ET and i did ask for it :/
hi Darrel
how can I do "SEO" to website create by HTML5 and CSS3 if you have any tutorial, or you know any RUclipsrs do it please send it to me
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Back in 2018, I honestly thought Gutenberg editor will hit the market (as Elementor). I was wrong :D
Thanks for your comment and welcome back :)
I'm following the channel since 2016, another great analysis, IMHO.
Ey man thanks for the long time follow :)
Why do so many people love Generate Blocks + GP? I tried to get into it but felt like I was running into design roadblocks
Spectra with Astra, Stackable with Blocksy, Greenshift with Blocksy, Kadence, Cwicly etc solves a lot of issues. IMO it's about 80 percent there. Vanilla Gutenberg by itself isn't enough.
Yup, the addons for Gutenberg actually make it a decent builder, but when they’re stripped away to the default, it becomes a quite difficult.
I think the main issue is that Gutenberg is still not a proper visual builder. Even with advanced addons (such as Cwicly, Spectra, The Plus Blocks, etc.), you have to keep the front page open and refresh it every time to check that the work you did on the backend is accurate on the frontend. Unfortunatelly, many times it is not coherent at all, especially when optimizing for mobile. Till Gutenberg is not developed to reach at least the level of the main frame visual builders, it does not stand a chance. Moreover, they are new tools outside such as Bricks and Breakdance for example.
@@darrelwilson That's absolutely true.
interesting video. my opinion is the opposite, though.
I agree that Gutenberg editor is currently kind of minimalistic
but the foundation is solid and it produces very clean output.
it doesn't seem to aggressively try to replace page builder.
but Gutenberg-based page builder is currently possible. the best example is cwicly, it turned the gutenberg experience into a webflow-like builder.
Divi, one of major pagebuilder will also adopt gutenberg in the upcoming version
as much as i like Bricks builder, in my opinion Gutenberg is the future.
it is and will remain the standard way to build page in WP.
In my experience, Elementor and Divi have not lived up to my standards in terms of performance and the need for additional plugins to access advanced features. While they may be suitable for beginners, I have found more success with Bricks. However, I have also heard that Gutenberg can be a useful page builder with the right set of tools and resources at your disposal.
Hey I was actually meaning to do more videos with bricks. It’s on my list of things to do
Gutenberg is definitely ahead of his time. He is a visionary publisher. Content you do in a text editor you copy and paste into Gutenberg and it's perfect. No headaches.
I used to use Divi and when I took the opportunity to migrate to GeneratePress + Gutenberg it radically changed the way I make websites with WordPress. Lightweight sites that load in less than 2 seconds without having to be an expert in optimization.
It has improved a lot and is certainly far from intuitive, but it's basic. What you want to do you figure out quickly. I'd 100 times rather work in Gutenberg than Divi or Elementor. Let alone WP Bakery which is hell.
Bakery is bad Dario?
I prefer Gutenberg and build my own plugin for it than using those monthly payment builders or using the very limited free version from those others builders, native theming all the way.
True, I think a good reason to use Gutenburg is to avoid this whole subscription nonsense with page builders. I think many of them should offer lifetime plans.
I have an idea that will save me more time in my work. Can you turn it into a project?
Thanks for the review
thanks bro!
Been waiting forever for wpspectra pro.
The default Gutenberg editor is not enough to beat a page builder. There are Gutenberg, Elementor and Divi Influencers everywhere.
Elementor came early to the party and won't be dethroned easily.
Hi Darrel,
My question is: What is the most effective way to begin a project with a client after cold calling has worked well? If anyone can help me out with the entire roadmap, I would appreciate it. Many thanks!
Share a good roadmap. Show them your energy and love to solve their problem. It'll work. Don't forget to mention the delivery date too. That's the most important part. Tell then that you're super active to get in touch and are excited to start the project. Just assume that you've already got the project.
@@Riot-Mafia-UP32 really thanks but I wanted to know about the documentation part. After the cold call which documents should I send? Proposal/Contract or both. Also when the contract or proposal is signed I should start working on their project and in the end, I should send them the final invoice? If you can help me with this please let me know in the comment. Thanks
@@riazejaz93 where are you from?
Congratulations Darrel. Looking at this video, you have absolutely up-ed your game. Your razor-sharp analysis and presentation have pushed you up into the stratosphere from the old days of just reviewing themes. If you hired a new team, you made an excellent choice. Good luck. I am going to re-subscribe now... Also, I have a question. Can I edit (the horrible stumble around Gutenberg blocks in Elementor or do I need another pagebuilder?) Thanks!
Hey thanks I really appreciate that
how can I do "SEO" to website create by HTML5 and CSS3 if you have any tutorial, or you know any RUclipsrs do it please send it to me
I still do not understand why Wordpress admin panel is so damn unintuitive! It was always so, I hope some new UX manager come with new ideas and make something out those WP menus and options enchilada.
This is mostly just a plug/Ad for coffee. Strange pivot right in the middle of the video lol.
I'm an AVID WordPress user and I DON'T like Gutenberg!!!
yeah im not a fan, good to know we have to but i prefer other builders
There are more and more Gutenberg-based solutions that provide a page builder-like experience. This is the future. Like it or not. I use Greenshift with their FSE theme and love it!
Could you share the link to the theme so I can test it? I found the plugin but not the theme you mention :)
Hi, how's your experience with Greenshift presently? And how does one get access to the theme please?
@@emmanuel4christ1I still use it, they are developing like crazy, the theme and plugin are free and available from the wp repository, you pay for premium add-ons for the plugin.
I’ve got a few themes that worked some magic w Gutenberg but when you go in to edit the demo imports it’s yes clunky and not intuitive. Not a fan of at all.
Darrel - Holy moly this video is mindblowing 🤯 as in amazingly packed with tips😍 clip sensational 🎆💥🎆🌟🌟🎆💥👏👏🎆 plz do more vids - create more WordPress-Vids
thanks again bro!
Gutenberg tries to be both simple (for beginners), universal (for anyone), efficient (for code-heads and SEO people), and extensible (for unique needs), as well as accessible and future-proof. It's hard to be all things to all people. But if you choose one good set of Gutenberg add-ons, you can do a lot with it.
thanks for you comment man !
if you need help feel free to ask .
For the vast majority of websites, you don't need Elementor, Divi or any other page builder. Gutenberg or the block builder are just fine. Page builders add so much bloat.
Using a decent theme like Kadence and pro plugin are sensible options (but there are other good block themes and plugins) with dynamic content and many features.
Crocoblock is getting better for Gutenberg.
Elementor and page buiders are never going away and they are a lot of fun but you really don't need them for most websites.
I used to be passionate about a certain page builder (I won't mention it here), but I've been building a few sites on Kadence lately and can't go back. Fast, sleek, simple, yet extremely powerful. Several page builders will have an impact if Kadence improves their marketing strategy. In my opinion, Blocks is the future before AI takes over.
Maybe highlight for new users, Blocks are fully integrated with WP and directly viewable, where Elementor grants you with a white blank page and an edit in Elementor button that flies you to another planet, completely disconnected from WP.
Buy Elementor Premium will Grant you no, Zero, zippo, null, none support help whatsoever. You might as well shout out the window.
Conclusion: drop page builders and focus dev into block themes and full integration with WP.
Understand that arguments in favour of page builders come from people heavily invested into this other planet. That doesn’t mean new to WP should take this detour.
Where WP focus should be is perfection of blocks, templates and parts. Enforce a generic compliance code for plugins such as where backend menus go, no adds, no bloat, no noise and mess. And finally redesign WP backend, cause it’s so f’in antique and old school that WP loose next gen massively.
This is not an apple to apple comparison. PageBuidlers like Elementor and Divi try to transform WordPress into something like Wix and Jimdo. This is to make money out of WordPress which is otherwise free and force users into subscription plans. Just an example: Elementor is free in a basic version but to do more complex things like HTML styling etc. you have to pay. Designers making websites generate really hard to maintain websites because they will set padding etc. for every element and Elementor will support this. On the other hand Gutenberg is made by programmers so it facilitates making websites using stylesheets etc. that are much easier to maintain. That's why it is much more difficult to create something like Gutenberg that is based on templates and styles.
Good job
Thanks 😊
I purchased a theme, it uses Gutenberg … I am not finding it intuitive at all. :( I asked the designer if I could add Kadence, she said no.
Hey there!
Sorry to hear you're having trouble with Gutenberg. It can take some getting used to, but don't worry, you'll get the hang of it! As for adding Kadence, it's unfortunate your designer said no, but there are still plenty of ways to improve your editing experience. You can explore Gutenberg's features further or try out other plugins and tools to enhance your workflow. Keep experimenting, and don't hesitate to reach out if you need any help along the way!
Good job !
Eyyy thanks :)
Great Video!, Thanks :D
anytime :) if you need help feel free to ask .
2:59 DAMN !!!!! I sh!tted my pants !!!
Gutenberg, is now our primary builder, creating custom modules and themes is cleaner. Elementor can become it's own independent CMS with very little additional effort at this point.
if you need help feel free to ask .
Again, a very good video and that confirms my taught on Gutenberg, I'm pretty sure you're not far from the truth.
I want to see the video of how influences impact sales
It’s in the making, working on it but will take a while to get some traction
Nice brother 😊
thanks again!
I hope Gutenberg gets so good that premium builders like Brizy become affordable and with lifetime plans.
It could possible achieve this if Wordpress put in some more time for their builder
Hello, how can I communicate with you directly? I have an idea and I want you to turn it into a reality.
3.0 looks good
well i was going to try native gutenberg but holly f*ck you can't do anything! without a 3rd party software. it is horrible in general to use and to design anything! i am impressed with cwicly (big learning curve) and likes of kadence/generate blocks through, but push comes to shove i'll stick to page builders as there ui's are just easier to use. imo, if gutenberg wasn't being forced on people by it being native to wordpress it would be history already!
Hi Darrel, thanks for mentioning my video about Block Theme stats - here's the link to it 👍 ruclips.net/video/V4qeEWYarbk/видео.html
The main problem i see: they mix wordpress core functions with gutenberg... so the widgets are now blocks, the header, the footer and more. One of next features will be the translation feature that only works with gutenberg blocks. The day will come where they switch to 100% javascript...
For me, gutenberg is the end of wordPress. Most of the developers work with php... and react developers really hate wordPress, they don't like to work with that.
The best❤
thank you kup
many people are now coming from page builders to Gutenberg
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As a developer I am glad to see Gutenberg and the ability to provide a clean installation for my clients. Not one of you arguments against it applies for me and for clients which don’t want a nightmare weeks after website release.
As a beginner its ok to trust and learn Kadence for example ?
It's frustrating to use a page builder like Elementor that can't even release a stable basic flexbox container. The Loop Builder also falls short in terms of functionality, and overall most of the features feels incomplete. Not to mention, the performance leaves much to be desired. It's difficult to have confidence in a tool like this for professional use. It's concerning that there isn't more discussion about the significant issues with Elementor and Divi, as it can make it difficult for users to make informed decisions about which tools to use. In contrast, Gutenberg paired with the right theme or plugins seems to be a more reliable choice for professionals.
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@@majorlitty5662 no cap, the comment contains only facts
Used Wordpress till it exists but I never used Gutenberg. Its trash.
I mean, it’s a good option if you want to build a website and not pay for a page builder every year 😅. But I personally don’t like it, at least not yet
Very insightful video on Gutenberg and to answer the question if Gutenberg will replace theme builder the right answer is never, absolutely not.
Right now I don't think any page builder stands a chance against Gutenberg in the near future. Kadence addons rule the roost and it's only going to get better, not worse.
hey if you need help feel free to ask .
Spectra is very good i can only recommend it.
Not better than Kadence, right?
why do big companies insist on using wordpress and gutenberg when it is difficult to use and difficult to develop for?
Gutenburg editor is complete flop
its a good default editor in my opinion, not the best but decent for a free builder
@@darrelwilson agree but clients are not ready to accept after so many years. Even we train them on gutenburg but they went back to classic editor.
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Gutenberg - From the consumer side (I personally work with all of it) it lacks a visual glue that the novice can attach logic. Gutenberg sorta just sits in air and assumes that over time you will learn the floating magic as to where everything is. I know it is very plain in it's approach and streamlines code without bloat but some will choose to balance that.
gutenberg is developer friendly while third party page builder is for non-developer
Too general a statement...check out Bricks.
wordpress should build their own page builder and remove the themes(template) in the core
well they have one but its just pretty basic
Gutenberg is the absolute WORST piece of web editing software I've ever used! 'Nuff said!
can anyone recommend me a plugin that helps making gutenberg as easy to use as elementor
try the spectra one plugin
Try to use your Brain and learn some HTML, Php and CSS, You Will not regret it
@@daviddafiti9113 Way to be an arrogant jerk.
Have you ever been paid to promote page builders in the past, or present?
I get offers almost every day lol. And yeah I do get offers but don’t really take them. Too much politics attached to them
On most of your Word Press Theme Website Builder Tutorials (I actually took one) you promote links that you promote to bring in a purchase for a specific theme. For example on your Divi Theme Website builder video on minute 18:03 you give the option to use the link that Divi gave you to promote; furthermore, you say you own the lifetime membership. This ofcourse does not mean that Gutenberg is less than these other purchased and promoted (by you tube influencers) Themes, but it does mean you have a conflict of interest in this matter because you have done bussiness with the paid Theme.
You might as well say that Columbian Coffee is loosing to Kopi coffee as well
Most of the blocks are pointless, its not imo easy to use. It also has really messy code, the HTML comments idea is not ideal. Imo it easier to learn HTML and CSS than Guts. If I put a client in front of classic or lets say WPBakery, most will get it, but I think the folks driving Guts dont build websites. It seems like a car made by a person who does not drive.
Gutenberg will eventually surpass the need for bloated, expensive, and steep learning curve style builders.
Think you're still (dec. 2023) right.
hey , if you need help feel free to ask .
Gutenberg bad user interface stop me to use it. Every blocks have own UI UX. Its take double time to make simple website
I personally have tried it, and I’m just not a fan of it. I think some may use it but I wouldn’t build a website with it
Too many people with RUclips channels, with no credibility and nothing more to offer, than an opinion - It's boring
because you prmote Elementor hahaha Gutenberg is 1 million times lightweight
DARREL BRO, I AM FROM INDIA, WANT TO TAKE PRO SUBSCRIPTION, PLEASE ADD MORE PAYMENT OPTIONS, UNABLE TO PAY STRIPE CREDIT CARD PLEASE🙏🙏🙏🙏
are you referring to my templates? I think we are going to integrate paypal this week
@@darrelwilson Yes bro , Templates only, TQ SO MUCH FOR ADDING PAYPAL LOVE U FROM INDIA ❤️🙏
Is I'm first
congrats!
Beginner😂😂😂....
Absolute ridiculous video which really comes off as desperate to make Gutenberg look terrible which is no longer true. In my opinion this is because he’s very much into the Elementor ecosystem and trying to sell his services on that. If anybody has the patience and half a brain you can create any type of website using Gutenberg especially when you use a great theme like Kadence. I’ve easily created and cloned websites away from Elementor and I haven’t had any problems since which in the end has massively gotten rid of Elementor killing my sites and creating massive graphical problems as well as having loads of problems with buggy updates and editor pages not loading.
Between Kadence and Spectra, you will go for Kadence?
well elementor is basically a scam
hey , try to use brizy or DIVI
Bias is showing
No bias, if anything im glad they finally created an editor, but to say its going to replace page builders, yeah wont happen in my opinion
First show us if you taking or took ANY money from the elementor company.
WOW! I always wondered how much Kopi Luwak costs! $100 a pound!
yeah its pretty pricey. I went to Bali, Indonesia and discovered it and than i ordered some to be shipped to USA. It was a long journey
@@darrelwilson Being a coffee drinker, I became interested in it after watching the movie "The Bucket List" with Jack Nicholson and Morgan Freeman!!
please how can i reach you on whatsapp