Halfway through when OP was saying that David went out on a road trip with Patrick and she never managed to contact him again before she left for France, I thought Patrick had murdered David for fear of losing his brother to OP. Luckily, it's just me watching too much TV and that this time, fiction is stranger than truth.
This is MAD SAD man. That man’s brother is just evil. Border line definition of selfish. Like bro could have been the fun uncle but NAW he wanted bro for himself. I do hope they can figure all this out and perhaps even get back together with enough talking, therapy, and time.
People like to throw out narcissist over literally anything on reddit these days - but this man is actually the picture of narcissism. Patrick's only motives were his own self-interest; his insecurities convinced him that he was entitled to insult, disrespect, and betray those in his life without consequence. Once caught, he denied wrongdoing, minimizing the damage he caused as much as possible. At no point has Patrick ever felt remorse for his actions, because his actions have always benefited him in motive, purpose, and outcome. Narcissists aren't evil people, they're weak, insecure, and selfish people. They can't allow themselves to see fault in their actions because it forces them to acknowledge their failings. They can't allow others to be happy if it could impact their own life in some way because they are insufficient to fulfilling their own happiness, they rely on the attention and praise of others to define their self-worth. NPD is wild, and it's amazing how destructive it can be when it goes undiagnosed and untreated.
No. he effed it up when he kept his brother in his life who actively harrased, spoke vile about ,bullied and hated his gf. even tho, he knew all this he deiced to trust him with her messages and delete them. he actively ghosted her, he made that choices. bc of him, OP had to go through pregnancy alone and all she knows is that he didnt care she had a child, dumped her, and ghosted her. ig this man activly keeps his brother in his life who treated his gf this way, imgen how he would treat the child of the woman he hates, imagen what he would accuse her of around the kid and the hate he may have twoards her. hy should op trust him to be in thier life? he has dont nothing to earn that. he scrwerd this up. she has no reason to trust him.
This whole story has themes of abandonment, miscommunication, and fear of losing someone you love. I am glad that the family is reunited, and he met his daughter. The brother behaves like a child though.
she started with abandoning him, she got a taste of her own bullshit and i hope it will sting her forever because surely this guy will never forget how she was ready to move to a different continent and risk their relationship so she could chase pointless money. they will never be happy together deep down, those some very deep trust issues that most psychologists will simply confess to them will be permanent
@@WeebRemover4500 So, she is not allowed to further her education by taking advantage of an excellent opportunity to attend a good university? Not to mention HE chose to break up with HER and then ghost her. It's not abandoning him, it's bettering herself. Besides, his choice to break up with her instead of supporting her is what led to him missing a good part of his child's life.
@@JJ-br1nhHe said to her if they could find other university closer to them, it wasnt blocking the opportunity to advance your studies and by the way USA has THE BEST Universities in the world if she wanted she could easily study on par or even in a better university than what was in France. No she just simply chose having fun in foreign country to their relationship
@@AttilaTheGreat1 certain schools are considered the best such as cal tech and MIT. Then there are schools across the pond, such as Oxford and Cambridge. Not every school focuses on the same curriculum. Also who said they were from the U.S.A.? She could be German or Egyptian for all we know. She did say she was not a native English speaker, after all...
Gotta hand it to Patrick, he did that ish. For FOUR YEARS, his planned worked seamlessly, but now he has to deal with the repercussions for the rest of his life. So I gotta ask, with the 4 years of being rid of her and having your brother back vs the lifetime you'll have to spend without him and your niece, was it really worth it? Hope it was a bomb 4 years
@@xDakem yeah, karma has a way of making things come back to you. Something tells me that even if she did stay there, her family would've said something to her ex one day if they were out and about and just felt the need to tear him a new one.
Well, two years, because David dated someone else for two years during that time (but it doesn't say if Patrick was or wasn't okay with this new one, I'm just assuming from what I have gathered he'd been trying to get rid of her too because he didn't want David to have any girlfriend for the same reason)
@@Mischa21xo It wasn't pride. She talked about it... She was scared of getting the confirmation that he was truly ignoring her despite knowing that she's pregnant with his child... It was fear and a survival instinct to just protect herself and not engage more with anyone or anything. From the description of half of David's family, they probably would've called her names and said they baby wasn't David's and made her life more difficult... She was scared her fabric of reality built on David being a loving man would be destroyed as well as that she would be slut shamed. It's real. I get it. In the midst of so much pain and shame a person can truly lose sight of the truth.
She found out about the pregnancy approx 2 weeks before leaving. She called several times, text several times sent an email and even went to his place to try talking to him. Where is her failing?
@@SvensktTroll Yes let's go tell the abusive manipulative misogynist that you are carrying the child of the son he helped raise that put his needs and wants first and when his tantrum (the fight OP mentioned) didn't get what he wanted he broke up with her but still slept with her (without protection) and then ghosted her
@@Because-rt8qs I can't tell if you are being sarcastic or not but he still made the choice to ghost her. He is an adult who is able to make his own choices
Oh man! I'm weak for this kinds of plots. I have read a lot of manhwa and manga with this kind of theme and they never fail me not to cry. Good Luck to OP and David!
So, Patrick was right. She went from her no dating rules to dating many folks, then dated David. And after she went to France, even though she was a single mother of literal infant, she chose to have “short term flings”. Patrick was right, she’s a fucking slut
OH MY GO HAVE YOU HEARD ABOUT THE ONE ABOUT ROSALINE FROM ROMEO AND JULIET BEING PREGNANT WITH ROMEO’S KID AND THEN THE COUPLE RETURNS???!! It’s soooooo gooodd and she is such a queen
@@matthewbarabas3052 , because mister "i comment 'watch the video again' below every comment", he did try to get into contact with OP but couldn't because she told her parents to not talk to him. It's hard to imagine something happend, that OP admitted did not happen.
@@Humuncules Well said. Also lmao she also claims to have changed her number and email. Part of why this story seems a little too impossible to me 20:16 20:00 He even went to check up on her parents Plus plenty of people break up and don't speak to their serious exes for decades
bc thats the problem!! No. he kept his brother in his life who actively harrased, spoke vile about ,bullied and hated his gf. even tho, he knew all this he deiced to trust him with her messages and delete them. he actively ghosted her, he made that choices. bc of him, OP had to go through pregnancy alone and all she knows is that he didnt care she had a child, dumped her, and ghosted her. ig this man activly keeps his brother in his life who treated his gf this way, imgen how he would treat the child of the woman he hates, imagen what he would accuse her of around the kid and the hate he may have twoards her. hy should op trust him to be in thier life? he has dont nothing to earn that. he scrwerd this up. she has no reason to trust him.
I would say take the slow and careful approach. If he cooperates talk more, if he shuts down communication pull the plug. This situation is going to be messy regardless of what happens better to minimize the casualties of it.
From everything that is being said from her biased point of view he is still being portrayed as someone who did not know a damn thing. I would refer you to the other comment that goes over the story from his perspective because I'm just going to lean on the side of he did not know shit because otherwise her whole story of him would not make sense even before we get to her coming back 4 years later.
@lostnemesis I know! I feel so bad for the BF, he was allowed to be upset and cut contact over OP choosing to go to France over their relationship. It's normal, many people do that. If there had been no pregnancy, it would not have been an issue at all. Yet OPs here acting like she's in the right and she has the right to be angry at BF. He can't control what his family do but she could definitely have made a better effort to make sure he knew of the existence of his child. She should have done that for her daughter at least, if not for him. Also in her own terms BF was a really good guy so why did she take such a hard left on his personality just because he got upset with her leaving.
@@MissZeely But she did try to contact him about the baby. Multiple times, in fact. The email was the last resort she had to try and tell him. From her perspective, he ghosted her after he ended things, even at the news that she was pregnant with his kid. Why would she want to try and keep in contact with him after that? To her, trying when she was getting nothing back, especially with the email, was not going to change anything. She had given him the news, and maybe she should've gotten in contact with his parents to talk about visiting their grandchild or something, but going to them to talk about how their son was ignoring her, even at the news of her pregnancy, was, in her mind, not going to change his mind.
Moral of the story, if you have something important to tell someone, like they have a child on the way, make sure they actually, 100%, without a shadow of a doubt know.
or maybe, dont keep your brother in your life who actively harrased, spoke vile about ,bullied and hated your gf. even tho, you knew all this you still deiced to trust him with her messages and delete them. you actively ghost her, you made that choices. bc of him, OP had to go through pregnancy alone and all she knows is that he didnt care she had a child, dumped her, and ghosted her. maybe just dont do that?
@Mayawamaq dude, op said that the brother stopped harassing her and calling her names. Probably once the bf threatened to publicly disown him as a brother or because he thought she was going to stay with the bf. She didn't try hard enough to contact him and willingly decided to be a single mother and give birth in another country. She literally had her parents ignore the ex bf and not to put child support on him. She tried harder to keep him out of her and her daughters life than to actually reach out to him.
Im just finding it hard to believe that with all the different ways ppl can communicate with others, David nor his parents figured out OP was pregnant.
well she said you doesn't use social media so unless the parents are blabbing and their perspective is "David read the email and refuses to be in the child's life and rather party with his brother" they aren't gonna tell him either, and she went to a different country what are her friends gonna think "Obviously she got pregnant with her ex and then moved to a different country and came back with his child." No more likely people will just think "She got knocked up while in France."
Hiding a pregnancy is pretty easy. The main way that people learn about pregnancies is through gossip or social media - gossip from mutual friends/family, or photos/announcements posted to SM. If you cut off all of your mutuals, move out of the country, and don't use SM - it's pretty easy to permanently lose contact. Especially if the people who you've told hate the other person.
I find it hard to believe you actually find that hard to believe. Have you never lost your phone, JUST your phone, while in another country? No one memorizes numbers anymore because we have cell phones that save them for us. Phone books largely don't exist anymore, public directories aren't a thing, and if you're in another country what's it matter? Pay phones are almost extinct, no one carries change on them anyway, and tourists are often unable to access computers very easily depending on the country due to language barriers; And even IF you get on one, if you don't have social media, how would someone get ahold of you? How would anyone find out? Especially when no one knows the details of where you are, what you're doing, or how long you'll be there for?
@@CherryGryffonIf that piece of fiction was real she wouldve told the parents that she needs to speak with him about something important and thats that
I agree with everyone OP in mind numbingly stubborn. Like she keeps saying how much he loves his mom but never reached out to her to tell her she had a granddaughter. God that is so selfish. Plus email's can easily go into the spam folder. She didn't try at all.
That's what I'm saying she never even sent a picture to them? Or even thought of the possibility that maybe he made a new email because she knew and got a new phone after the road trip so she didn't even try to contact the parents to get in touch with him after he got back... There was a lot of things she could have done with his parents but my God she is like the personification of pride leading to your problems. Because even if the brother was a instigator in facilitating the pride her pride kept her from minimizing the pain.
Um, she did try contacting them? In multiple ways, numerous times? Yiu say its not theirbfault if it went into a soam folder or they changed their numbers and emails, well thats not her fault either 😂
@@talkytabby2878she stopped her parents from informing him and his family multiple times because she was prideful. She never got a clear answer, they didn't even broke up they just got into a big fight. Both of them are dumb and caused themselves so much unnecessary pain and resentment.
@@talkytabby2878also she didn't say she was pregnant on text or any other way, only at the last attempt of an email. She kept it to herself and her family because she wanted to say it face to face. Maybe she should have informed him much sooner than what I believe a few days before leaving for abroad. You know she isn't the only one thats gonna be inconvenienced by cancelling the trip a few days before leaving because that may be the only time she may had contact with him. She is the definition of prideful.
@@fish-kt4iq good. she thought he ghosted her after he ingroned the messages telling him of the prgenacy. she didnt know he never saw them. why the hell should she go out of her way to try and get a man who seemling wants nothing to do with them and. keep his brother in his life who keept shamming and hrassing his gf who will most likely do the same to her daughter back in her life?? him trusting his brother, while knowing well he stright up hates, harasses and bullys that woman was his own fault. its not her job to try and contect him again and again
Thank you!!!! I'm often having to search tirelessly for possible new updates. I located this story but it was 8 years ago and the newer info that was added was deleted.
When he said it's taking all of his willpower from killing him, I believe him man. She wouldn't have gone to France and neither of them would've gone through such pain. 4 years of their prime, down the drain just like that. I personally, would've just asked her if she wanted me to kill the brother but that's just self-insert in a fantasy world. I wish nothing but the best for them honestly. They should prioritize the daughter, and they should sort themselves after. Like... What are they? They never even broke up...
He broke up with her in the conversation where she said she was going to Frace. He said he couldn't be in a relationship with someone knowing they were leaving him.
Holly hell this is an infuriating post david, ops parents, but specially op... if the story she was fed is real, her stubborness denied david of 4 years of his child, any chance of spitefullness or revenge would have blown the truth in his face and things would have been different, at the end of the day, my heart breaks for all of them, in 4 years 1000 things could have been done but weren't
no, david did that. hes the one who ghosted her. also i dont know about you, but if my brother was constly shamming my partner, and trying to get me to break up with them, id cut ties with my brother. he did nothing. he tore aprt his own chnces.
It was both OP and her ex that fucked up. They're just scapegoating the brother. They had a million ways to get in touch but didn't. That's on them, not the brother they're trying to blame. He wasn't on his brother's back all the time, keeping him from contacting her. It was them.
@@capsizemoonz2251 She didn't hide it. She used every method available to her (except reaching out to the abusive father/abused mother) to try to contact him. Text, phone call, email and physically going to his place. So not her fault the guy gave his phone to this bleep brother (see RUclips, I'm being good) to ghost her and the brother decided that meant deleting emails, too.
@@Nameless82284 she tried calling and texting him several times over the 2 weeks between finding out she was pregnant and her leaving for the Paris program. She went to his place. She emailed him(not something I would have thought of, too old I guess). Only after she started receiving blocked messages did she give up and decide to continue with university plans. Why would she want to have contact with someone who basically told her to eff off without words? Oh, you only changed your mind because I am having your munchkin? Not the life she wanted to live, and I don't blame her for that. Better to be a single parent than stuck a loveless or hateful relationship (remember Dad and brothers verbal abuse?)
Failure on the parents part. Mother should have pressured her into contacting child support agency. This would have resolved the whereabouts of the father quickly.
This is very similar to another story, where bf left and op couldn’t contact him, tried to, but the bf’s new GF deleted the email, eventually they run into each other and it all comes out, bf and OP end up together raising the kid
better to be stubborn than to try and fix up a very obviously destroyed and extremely resentful relationship that it would have been. OP made the right choice in minimizing future pain.
i dont understand why she still doesn't trust him after he shows her the texts between David and his brother + he meets their daughter? what is she still not sure about?
Yeah, she sus af. She seems kinda bad. Like even after all the bs she said she did, like assuming david abondoned her and blah blah blah. She also doesnt believe him 🤦
@@matthewbarabas3052the point is that he tried though, he literally tried to talk to her parents? she was the one who sent a fucking email instead of just calling his mom or anything half reasonable. Then she literally told her parents to never talk to him, he tried to talk to them lol
I believe David and i believe he is innocent, they should reunite and look back at these events with a bittersweet nostalgia in 20 years when their daughter is grown up and they are long married.
On a side note. From his perspective, she abandoned a man who loved her so she could do luxury studies abroa. She left him even though she knew he was insecure about losing relationships due to his toxic family.
i think that was a weird part but i think both of them were being unfair, one wanted to cage the other and the other wanted to force a LDR onto the other
i dont get that, i mean its not like she was abandoning him, she was going to come back. She just wanted to go for higher studies which would inturn help op and david.
the fact that she cant see how hurtful it id to leave just so she doesnt disappoint ger parent mean while this guys has been standing up for her and taking abuse since day one.
its not an amazing opportunity. its a glorified vacation. its not like france is world renowned for its schools. he stood up for her for years and she couldnt stand up for him one time. it says a lot about how much she cares about him and his feelings.@@talkytabby2878
Damn. Hopefully they get along again in the near future and mend their relationship up. OP kinda screwed it all up with her decisions but I'm not sure if we can blame her here as she was just not able to think rationally. Just a miserable outcome for everyone involved tbh. Feeling quite overwhelmed myself rn
It's not a kinda if we're being completely Fair and she even admitted it herself later on in the story even up until she met him again the reason that she really didn't try to contact him after a certain point was because of her pride for me that takes clemency away because during the pregnancy and then at least for a year after it makes sense being pissed off but not even like sending a picture to the grandparents or him? It's just annoying.
@@MrToubrouk yeah op really did not seek compromise about the relationship, ended it and then disapeared of the face of the worlds with her shit ass brother. Oh wait, thats the guy. Seriously why the fuck are people ignoring that.
She's at fault for shunning him and still not believing him. Patrick was PROVABLY a piece of garbage. To act like this ISN'T something that Patrick would do is naive as fuck. I understand they're young, but jesus christ, how are you that naive that you don't believe that a shitty, misogynistic and homophobic person would gladly shun an ex-girlfriend of his brother's out, and delete things regardless? Patrick is at fault for the email and texts being deleted, but she's at fault for being an idiot and not realizing that hey, he isn't a piece of shit, has never treated you badly, and laid out that he didn't want to work with her on an LDR, which is an entirely valid reason to end a relationship. This all comes down to: quit being a stubborn asshole, and look at the context clues. If you wanted to study journalism, you surely didn't do enough of it if you just make up what actually happened in your head but refuse to believe that what's actually put in front of you is real.
@@MrToubrouk No. he effed it up when he kept his brother in his life who actively harrased, spoke vile about ,bullied and hated his gf. even tho, he knew all this he deiced to trust him with her messages and delete them. he actively ghosted her, he made that choices. bc of him, OP had to go through pregnancy alone and all she knows is that he didnt care she had a child, dumped her, and ghosted her. ig this man activly keeps his brother in his life who treated his gf this way, imgen how he would treat the child of the woman he hates, imagen what he would accuse her of around the kid and the hate he may have twoards her. hy should op trust him to be in thier life? he has dont nothing to earn that. he scrwerd this up. she has no reason to trust him.
@@orangeglassez actually legally you ARE still a child at that age. And anyone who says otherwise is a very very very disgusting person if they think it's ok for a minor to be with a legal adult.
No. he effed it up when he kept his brother in his life who actively harrased, spoke vile about ,bullied and hated his gf. even tho, he knew all this he deiced to trust him with her messages and delete them. he actively ghosted her, he made that choices. bc of him, OP had to go through pregnancy alone and all she knows is that he didnt care she had a child, dumped her, and ghosted her. ig this man activly keeps his brother in his life who treated his gf this way, imgen how he would treat the child of the woman he hates, imagen what he would accuse her of around the kid and the hate he may have twoards her. hy should op trust him to be in thier life? he has dont nothing to earn that. he scrwerd this up. she has no reason to trust him.
Hope this guys post update on how it goes when they let guy’s parents know and how it goes if they ever tell the kid that his her dad if not I would love to know where to find her Reddit account
the why was because they were no contact. he gave up his phone for the road trip, probly not to dwell on the fact he'd broken up with the love of his life. and to top it off his brother deleted the messages. the email being deleted was the suprise he didn't know about. from his perspective she could have just been trying to make the long distance relationship work, and stayed full nc. to her, she had given him time, what should have been plenty of time, to get the message, any message. When he never responded or reached out the obvious assumption is he doesn't want any involvment, that is when she changed her contact info.
@@thalamicantonio6783what kind of moron goes on a road trip without a phone? What if they got stranded? What if they needed to check something or if they needed money? And if he left his phone behind wouldn't be roommate or parents have it for safekeeping? And wouldn't it ring constantly at his home, where she went, when she tried to call him? Even off the charger, if it had just been sitting there, I doubt the battery would have drained. There's just too many plot holes.
"Hey brother i am going on a roadtrip with, here is my phone. keep it from me so i can move on from the long time relationship i just ended from Irreconcilable differences. i trust you won't accidentally or maliciously delete anything life altering"
This is honestly the after effects of stubborn pride at work here. She was so p.ssed about being dumped that she wouldn’t even get the support that her child deserved from her father. Even if she didn’t need that money herself, she could have banked that money in her daughter’s name and it would be there for her when she graduated. He would have been legally notified that he had a child by taking him to court for it. THEN he would have known FOR SURE and her child wouldn’t have spent those years of her life with no father. He and his daughter will never get those years back-he missed so much. OP played herself twice in all this-once by making some stupid trip to France (hope it was worth losing everything and her baby losing her father) more important than loving her partner, and then again by being so hurt and prideful that she refused any further attempts to connect her ex and his daughter. The brother is the true monster in all of this, to be sure, but OP made choices that had real world dire consequences for all parties involved. I’m not one of those “women shouldn’t ever be held accountable for their own actions” women. We honestly frick things up too and our hurt little fee fee feelings shouldn’t be more important than doing the right thing. She bombed this one. She made huge mistakes and won’t own them. Everyone else is to blame but “her”. Excuses excuses excuses about why she did what she did. When it was nothing but stubborn hurt pride, anger, “you can’t tell me what to do”, and entitled spoiled behavior likely from having well to do parents and being the spoiled only child used to getting her way-so how dare he say she shouldn’t go and then break up with her when she did? She is emotionally immature and selfish.
She was 22, entitled kinda, spoilt not sure, immature surely. Yet she was 22. Rarely a person so young has their head on straight. That's on her decision to go to France. Later she was real hurt and had pregnancy hormones to top it off. Those are not excuses, those are explanations. And the girl was to a point talking about what had happened, she believed he abandoned her, and decided to leave this whole shit behind so she could focus on her child. That's it, she was not making excuses. 22, dude, 22
@@PisauraMirabilisI'm just making this comment just in case you didn't read it all the way through or read the name (because I know dude can be used for anyone I do the same but just in case) the original is a woman, But no matter what objectively the commentator is right because she could have solved it if she just talked to him with something as important as that she didn't even think of the possibility that he changed his information and tried to reach him in another way maybe he made a new email gotten a new phone and she never went and talked to him about anything so it still is just her lacking communication and I don't give a fuck when it's as big as that you go and talk you don't just send an email "oh oops I'm pregnant" you actually have a conversation and then if you do have a good relationship with the family but you still haven't been able to get in touch with him you can either use snail mail sending a letter to the parents or him or you go the approach of trying to get on FaceTime with the parents if they have a device or the means to do so or at the very least get on a phone call with them so that way you can inform them "hey I don't know if he changed his information but I haven't been able to get in contact with him"
i disagree. she tried to reach out, repeatedly, and was ignored. because of that, she has the *sole* right to decide anything she wishes. and we cannot disagree with it.
Wait why tf couldn't she go to his parents??? Bro she left him and If my friend got dumped like this I would also delete everything of his partner belongings. Ya brother is asshole but I would do the same thing. She had FCKING OPTION TO TALK TO HIS PARENTS BUT YA JUST IGNORE THAT. I find it hard to believe she did everything. She 100% wanted to go to France so she didn't want to do everything.
She didn't dump him, I don't see HOW so many of y'all are missing this unless you're just straight up not watching the actual video and only reading the comments. HE said HE couldn't do a long distance relationship and HE left HER. Then HE went on a road trip, with no phone, with his brother who he KNEW to be a POS, all bc said POS brother said to leave his phone. From HER perspective she was half-ass dumped because she was taking a career choice seriously that would result in a LDR and then straight up fucking GHOSTED even though SHE was desperately trying to give the relationship a second chance and skip out on the career choice if it meant staying with HIM. In no way did SHE dump HIM, and SHE did not flee from anything. She had plans to study in france, they were set plans, her bf broke up with her over those plans and when he failed to contact her back about her offer to belay those plans she WENT AHEAD WITH THOSE PLANS.
@@CherryGryffon tf you talking about?? Just answer one fcking question dummy. “ WHY DIDN’T SHE GO TO HIS PARENTS”?? HIS PARENTS ALSO IS THE KIDS FAMILY. Don’t act like there wasn’t options 😂😂 And no she broke up with him when she chose the job. And it’s fair!! If she wanna pursue job go for it but getting pregnant and leaving the country without evening telling his parents is fcking trash. She wanted to leave 😂 don’t act like it’s the brothers or his fault. She wanna act victim when there’s always been a choice.
The title of this video is misleading She wasn't abandoned she chose to leave And only reason why she wanted them back is because she was pregnant. She needs to stop trying to blame other people and take responsibility for the choices she made. the plan to go to france was your first plan david was the second.
@@doger6531 No. he effed it up when he kept his brother in his life who actively harrased, spoke vile about ,bullied and hated his gf. even tho, he knew all this he deiced to trust him with her messages and delete them. he actively ghosted her, he made that choices. bc of him, OP had to go through pregnancy alone and all she knows is that he didnt care she had a child, dumped her, and ghosted her. ig this man activly keeps his brother in his life who treated his gf this way, imgen how he would treat the child of the woman he hates, imagen what he would accuse her of around the kid and the hate he may have twoards her. hy should op trust him to be in thier life? he has dont nothing to earn that. he scrwerd this up. she has no reason to trust him.
I believe that everything happens for a reason. I also understand OP for not pursuing her EX regarding her pregnancy. Her mamma bear instincts kicked in and she realized her baby is top priority. When you think about it, its good that OP was somewhere far away during her pregnancy. Patrick is evil enough to harm OP. He could've hurt both OP and the baby if she had stayed. That would've been a tragedy.
she found out about the pregnancy approx 2 weeks before leaving. She called several times, text several times and went to his place to try talking to him as well as that last ditch effort of reaching out to him via email. She then thought hehad decided to ghost her. Where is her failing?
@@matthewbarabas3052 she sent texts but didn't even tell abt the pregnancy there, she told abt the pregnancy in one measly email which could've been gone to spam anywys, then didn't try to talk to him directly ever. She is just plain stupid.
Wait a minute, if OP lives in the same town as the father, why didn't she tell the parents? Surely they'd relay that info, either because of disappoitment or anger, but there is a form of communication you know will get to him.
You... realise this isn't the account of the reddit user, right? This channel just scrapes reddit stories and has a text to speech voice read it. If you want to say these kind words best find OP herself lol
He didn't really abandon her, she CHOSE to leave and he assumed she left. If there is a need to pass blame (There isnt) its her fault for choosing France, she's being selfish being mad like that.
My god think about ruining parenthood and holding the father away and suffering for years because 6 or 7 desicions on not demanding money or justice usw. The guilt must be unbelievable
This basically just sounds like OP did the bare minimum to let this man know he was going to be a father because she was petty. Didn't let her family talk to him or his family. Didn't talk to his family herself. Just sent some texts, made some calls, and finally an email and then decided "well fuck you for not responding to my minimal effort." While the brother is a big part of the issue here, OP's inability to be mature about all of this is also to blame. OP and the brother robbed that man of his child's beginning.
@@matthewbarabas3052They broke up. Do you know what I do when I get broken up with and I’m sure that it’s over? I block their number because nothing good ever comes from staying in contact with exes, especially ones that you still have feelings for. It’s just emotionally painful
@@matthewbarabas3052 she sat on her ass and typed out a few messages. To me, that’s bare minimum you could do when she could have put forth more of an effort to let him know. She had zero courage. She made zero effort to get to him in person. She did nothing of substance or value.
"part of me believed him or wanted to believe him. But then another part just wanted me to tell him to fuck off because if he was being honest. Then that means i spent 4 years thinking that he abandoned us when it wasn't the case at all." WTF
David is a better man than I. If a woman I loved left me to study abroad I would be pissed yes, but if she had my child and sent me only 1 email and never even spoke to me in person I would burn half the city down in a blind rage! I can’t believe what a terrible person she turned out to be
@@talkytabby2878ah yes, because visiting again was too hard to do right? Both the guy's parents and the guy himself moved to Mars apparently. She could have put her pride aside for something as important as her child, for fuck's sake
I love how she goes from hesitant and 'take things slow' to 'he will be visiting everyday and we have plans to tell her he is her father' that is not slow that is from 0 to 100 you've known this man like a day since you got back and already you are plannimg and restructuring your whole life around him....stfu.
Love how the brother is being scapegoated here when both of them dropped the ball. Literally both of them shut the fucking door on one another and tbeyre blaming the brother for oiling the hinges.
I got to say. I blame the OP on this one. Like David had no clue that he had knocked her up so how was it in any way his fault? Yes he had his scumbag brother around which was his flaw but that is about it. The OP really should have told David's family that she got knocked up and such. They deserve to know as they are relatives to that baby as well. If this story is real then god damn the OP is a stubborn woman who RUINED the chance she had for the perfect family with David. Hands down a great misplay to only try a little in contacting him and not telling anyone in town.
No. he effed it up when he kept his brother in his life who actively harrased, spoke vile about ,bullied and hated his gf. even tho, he knew all this he deiced to trust him with her messages and delete them. he actively ghosted her, he made that choices. bc of him, OP had to go through pregnancy alone and all she knows is that he didnt care she had a child, dumped her, and ghosted her. she not a stubborn woman, and there was never going to be a "prefect family with David" he was not a good man to being with. ig this man activly keeps his brother in his life who treated his gf this way, imgen how he would treat the child of the woman he hates, imagen what he would accuse her of around the kid and the hate he may have twoards her. hy should op trust him to be in thier life? he has dont nothing to earn that. he scrwerd this up. she has no reason to trust him.
He MIGHT not have known she was pregnant, but SHE didn't know that. As far as SHE knew, he DID know and he CHOSE to abandon her. We have hte luxury of "seeing" all sides so it's easy to lay the blame on her when in fact it lies on Patrick.
David do be the real victim of this story, victim of his brother hiding the truth from him and a victim of op's terrible handling of the situation. Ngl I hope if they do go to therapy together that the therapists ends up telling op that her feelings of resentment towards david are unwarrented because while his brother can be blamed for deleting the texts and email she is to blame for not pushing further then sending texts and an email, and while some have called op evil/stubborn I see this more as pure emotional illogicness
Absolutely. She made a point of saying nothing happened before she was 17 but dude was clearly grooming her from 15, saying she was the most beautiful girl in the world etc...
3 years is not that big fo an age gap... also you guys do realise that not every country has the age of consent at 18 right? some of them go as lower as 12 years old...
At the end of the day she killed the relationship in the first place. Lets say she wasnt pregnant, if she had left for france, the small town david would have 100% been over shadowed by someone she would meet in france and get romantic with and that would have been the end of all of it even if david decided to stay with her while she was long distance. A small town teenage love is not gonna stand ground in something like that with france and higher cultured men in a fancy city and she wanted more with her life and future. David was prerty much fucked the second she wanted to go to france
Like at this point she might as well have put her message in a bottle and thrown it in the lake, she'd probably have better luck reaching him that way.
Saw that the original post was 7 years ago, kinda wish we got another update gotta say thou some comments were removed idk if by Op themself but some seemed more critical, at least that is what i gathered from her answers which seemed defensive
(bearing in mind that i know full well that this channel is not OP) okay Okay... Okay. But HE DIDNT ABANDON YOU. He broke up with you after you chose france over him. Which, to be clear is totally your prerogative. He made it clear that this choice made him uncomfortable, and that by making either choice you making a decision. He did what people normally do after breaking up, and cut contact. He did not do anyone wrong. You did. He had no reason to look into any emails that you might have sent. He had no reason to read any of your texts. You were broken up. He neither abandoned nor betrayed you.
I'm trying to show the OP some grace here but a lot of this could've been avoided had she got her parents in contact w/her bf's parents. Not only that, but I HATE when young women say "I don't want his money!" Okay, but that's your baby's money! You never know when you need hella money bc emergencies dgaf when said emergencies happen. Like what if the baby had some rare genetic condition that requires expensive treatment? What if you need a new place to say bc of the child's health or allergies? So many scenarios...
How does anyone believe these stories. She could’ve easily found him through the police or through his parents. Clearly he just blocked her on everything and tried to move on but I bet if he was notified by a family member or the authorities that he has a child he’d probably come home
women are their own biggest enemy. I get it boyfriends brother was the bad guy here but if OP really wanted to tell her bf about the child why not ask his mom or his friends to contact and make sure he knows it, OP is guilty as well. the real victim is the bf and the child who had to grow up without the father who didn't even know she exist she could have gotten all the love a child deserves from her father. father could relive those precious moments with another child but this child will never be able to experiance it.
Classic female logic: first she burns all the bridges behind her, and then she is shocked that no one followed her. In David's place, I would have not only been mad as hell at my brother, but also at her.
Even after going france to study and leaving her boyfriend she comes back to the small town she wanted to leave as she wanted to study abroad And here is a loophole where she said he was on road and didnt checked the text then how in the world he would check email. Strange People check texts fater than emails
First question why didnt she ask the guy to go with her? Aside from that it seems she gave up way too easy in the time in between, why not tell the roommate that she wanted to speak to him about something extremely important? Why not ask the parents who she was supposedly close to to ask david to contact her? Surely he wasnt ignoring their texts even if she didnt want to say anything to them surely they could pass on a message? On davids side how the hell do you hang around with someone who actively tried to sabotage the relationship to begin with and called your girlfriend a whore on multiple occasions i thought at first he was his only family but finding our his parents are still around and loving make me question his judgement. If david is let back into her life is she going to come home one day to find Patrick teaching her daughter to say whore?
She was quite dumb tbh. Assuming someone read an email without confirmation is crazy. Wasn't it obvious that it could be Patrick's fault the entire time? I was already guessing it when she mentioned the roadtrip. And she could've easily contacted the parents too. Everyone had their share of the blame, including her ego and excessive pride. I hope the story is fake because otherwise it's just too pitiful that all those years were lost lol.
she could have solved it years earlier over and over she avoids dealing with reality bc it would hurt her own feelings or force her to accept responsibility for how she behaved; its abt HERSELF not what's best for the child or the relationship with her guy this all happened bc she was selfish.
The summary of the story Patrick is evil the Op is one of the biggest Fing morons I have ever seen in a Reddit story where the op isn't immediately the bad guy, And poor David man bad family bad brother and apparently a bad girlfriend who's someone too prideful to try to actually communicate besides one brief moment where the hormones are flaring gods.... The op and david lost a relationship but the thing is he lost 4 years with his daughter he lost four years of decisions that he could have made to change his life and she doesn't trust him for a decision that was well outside of his realm of responsibility.
No. he effed it up when he kept his brother in his life who actively harrased, spoke vile about ,bullied and hated his gf. even tho, he knew all this he deiced to trust him with her messages and delete them. he actively ghosted her, he made that choices. bc of him, OP had to go through pregnancy alone and all she knows is that he didnt care she had a child, dumped her, and ghosted her. ig this man activly keeps his brother in his life who treated his gf this way, imgen how he would treat the child of the woman he hates, imagen what he would accuse her of around the kid and the hate he may have twoards her. hy should op trust him to be in thier life? he has dont nothing to earn that. he scrwerd this up. she has no reason to trust him. dvaids poor choices and stubbornness, leadhim to missing out on his child
Homocism! Also when it comes to being a Sibling that actually has that bond it's not like you turn into a different person you just have your priorities straight. We in the past always acted like strong men don't cry and such but if anything happened to any of us that broke quite quickly we were also willing to do many things we don't normally do that was simply the bond that exists.
I am 10 minutes in and she just leaves for france after she can not contact the baby father that is still heart broken after the break up? That sounds mad ngl
OP: im pregnant and need to tell david. i'll send him a text. that didn't work. should i tell his family, friends, litearally do anything else except assume he hates me and leave? nah.
@@FigliadiSephiroth My thought halfway through was "This sounds like someone asked ChatGPT to rewrite Kill Bill as a emotional female teenager reddit post" 🤣
So… he was telling her that she was the most beautiful woman in the world while she was 15 and he was 18? Moreover, their full-on relationship started when he was 20 and she was only 17? That’s a bit of a yikes city for me, even if they seem like a charming couple outside of that.
@@i-am-a-lie... I’m on mobile so I’m not able to edit my comment and add to it, otherwise I’d’ve done that for this. The fact he waited until it wasn’t a crime is an indicator that if the age of consent was lower or if anti-pedophilia laws did not exist, he wouldn’t have waited. He is a pedophile, regardless of if he dodged any laws. I don’t really remember much of what happened in this video, nothing actually, but I’m not in the mood to give any positive thoughts or benefit of a doubt to a pedophile unlike past me apparently was.
@@antonberkbigler5759 it's not that big of an age gap , if it was a 18yo with a 12 yo then i would've agreed that this is fucked up but 18 and 15? only 3 years apart , unlike the case of the dude who married a woman who could easily be his grandmother , (the one on tiktok trying to get pregnant)
TL;DR: OOP fought with her boyfriend, broke with him, found out she's pregnant, make the minimum effort to tell him, go full NC with him, Insists the Family tells him nothing, pissed 4 years later that "He Let Her And Her Daughter Down", realize it's a big misunderstanding. OOP is a loon.
@@MrToubrouk She did mess up multiple times, but she isn't a crazy loon who just never tried, and then abandoned her boyfriend on some random whim. First of all, HE broke up with HER, not the other way around. Secondly, she tried to contact him MULTIPLE TIMES, trying to get them to meet up so she could tell him about the pregnancy, even so far as going to his place to talk. The email was a last ditch effort to tell him about his child. So she stopped trying to contact him when it looked like he didn't care about her, or his kid. Sure, she messed up by not letting his parents know about their grandkid and not trying to get child support, but her not wanting her parents to confront him about the kid wasn't her being crazy. It was her not wanting any drama that, again, she thought would get her nowhere, as with her previous attempts. So she left, as the one thing that could've kept her where she lived, had dissappeared without a trace. Them not being in contact was logical to her because of all that had happened. You taking the story as everything that happened was her fault, and that the boyfriend did nothing wrong, even when he let his brother walk all over his girlfriend, and even control his life, is a total leap in logic. All it is, is a case of two people in a relationship messing up in multiple ways and separating because of it, and finally figuring out what exactly went wrong, and how they both messed up, four years later.
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Halfway through when OP was saying that David went out on a road trip with Patrick and she never managed to contact him again before she left for France, I thought Patrick had murdered David for fear of losing his brother to OP. Luckily, it's just me watching too much TV and that this time, fiction is stranger than truth.
ngl, I thought that too
The tittle of the story is mad misleading LoL
Patrick did it on purpose ... and David should have know that ...
Someone's a true crime fan.
Being murdered is definitely stranger than unread messages after a breakup...
Yooo I thought that too lmao
This is MAD SAD man. That man’s brother is just evil. Border line definition of selfish. Like bro could have been the fun uncle but NAW he wanted bro for himself. I do hope they can figure all this out and perhaps even get back together with enough talking, therapy, and time.
People like to throw out narcissist over literally anything on reddit these days - but this man is actually the picture of narcissism. Patrick's only motives were his own self-interest; his insecurities convinced him that he was entitled to insult, disrespect, and betray those in his life without consequence. Once caught, he denied wrongdoing, minimizing the damage he caused as much as possible.
At no point has Patrick ever felt remorse for his actions, because his actions have always benefited him in motive, purpose, and outcome.
Narcissists aren't evil people, they're weak, insecure, and selfish people. They can't allow themselves to see fault in their actions because it forces them to acknowledge their failings. They can't allow others to be happy if it could impact their own life in some way because they are insufficient to fulfilling their own happiness, they rely on the attention and praise of others to define their self-worth. NPD is wild, and it's amazing how destructive it can be when it goes undiagnosed and untreated.
That guy is messed up. This isnt normal .
No. he effed it up when he kept his brother in his life who actively harrased, spoke vile about ,bullied and hated his gf. even tho, he knew all this he deiced to trust him with her messages and delete them. he actively ghosted her, he made that choices. bc of him, OP had to go through pregnancy alone and all she knows is that he didnt care she had a child, dumped her, and ghosted her.
ig this man activly keeps his brother in his life who treated his gf this way, imgen how he would treat the child of the woman he hates, imagen what he would accuse her of around the kid and the hate he may have twoards her. hy should op trust him to be in thier life? he has dont nothing to earn that. he scrwerd this up. she has no reason to trust him.
@@Mayawamaq I agree with Maya, this is unforgiveable. He's outright evil.
@@BraveryWing26 thank you, i dont get how people are so on bored with this.
This whole story has themes of abandonment, miscommunication, and fear of losing someone you love. I am glad that the family is reunited, and he met his daughter. The brother behaves like a child though.
The brother behaves like someone with narcissistic personality disorder
she started with abandoning him, she got a taste of her own bullshit and i hope it will sting her forever because surely this guy will never forget how she was ready to move to a different continent and risk their relationship so she could chase pointless money. they will never be happy together deep down, those some very deep trust issues that most psychologists will simply confess to them will be permanent
@@WeebRemover4500 So, she is not allowed to further her education by taking advantage of an excellent opportunity to attend a good university? Not to mention HE chose to break up with HER and then ghost her. It's not abandoning him, it's bettering herself. Besides, his choice to break up with her instead of supporting her is what led to him missing a good part of his child's life.
@@JJ-br1nhHe said to her if they could find other university closer to them, it wasnt blocking the opportunity to advance your studies and by the way USA has THE BEST Universities in the world if she wanted she could easily study on par or even in a better university than what was in France. No she just simply chose having fun in foreign country to their relationship
@@AttilaTheGreat1 certain schools are considered the best such as cal tech and MIT. Then there are schools across the pond, such as Oxford and Cambridge. Not every school focuses on the same curriculum. Also who said they were from the U.S.A.? She could be German or Egyptian for all we know. She did say she was not a native English speaker, after all...
Gotta hand it to Patrick, he did that ish. For FOUR YEARS, his planned worked seamlessly, but now he has to deal with the repercussions for the rest of his life. So I gotta ask, with the 4 years of being rid of her and having your brother back vs the lifetime you'll have to spend without him and your niece, was it really worth it? Hope it was a bomb 4 years
Probably he hoped she would made a new life in France or something...
@@xDakem yeah, karma has a way of making things come back to you. Something tells me that even if she did stay there, her family would've said something to her ex one day if they were out and about and just felt the need to tear him a new one.
Well, two years, because David dated someone else for two years during that time (but it doesn't say if Patrick was or wasn't okay with this new one, I'm just assuming from what I have gathered he'd been trying to get rid of her too because he didn't want David to have any girlfriend for the same reason)
Yeah Patrick is going to come back after a manipulative apology that cat will always come back
Didn’t this Patrick guy have his own life?
So all she had to do was contact his parents and this would’ve been avoided? 🤦🏾♂️
Exactly why ego and pride are such dangerous things.
@@Mischa21xo It wasn't pride. She talked about it... She was scared of getting the confirmation that he was truly ignoring her despite knowing that she's pregnant with his child... It was fear and a survival instinct to just protect herself and not engage more with anyone or anything. From the description of half of David's family, they probably would've called her names and said they baby wasn't David's and made her life more difficult... She was scared her fabric of reality built on David being a loving man would be destroyed as well as that she would be slut shamed. It's real. I get it. In the midst of so much pain and shame a person can truly lose sight of the truth.
Yup! Brother is a woman hating misogynist and she was too prideful to try a little harder.
Once again the problem boils down to: *_USE. YOUR. WORDS!!!_*
She found out about the pregnancy approx 2 weeks before leaving. She called several times, text several times sent an email and even went to his place to try talking to him. Where is her failing?
@@JJ-br1nhGo to his parents! It's not that hard
@@SvensktTroll Yes let's go tell the abusive manipulative misogynist that you are carrying the child of the son he helped raise that put his needs and wants first and when his tantrum (the fight OP mentioned) didn't get what he wanted he broke up with her but still slept with her (without protection) and then ghosted her
@@JJ-br1nh But you don't understand, PATRICK said he should ghost her. /s
@@Because-rt8qs I can't tell if you are being sarcastic or not but he still made the choice to ghost her. He is an adult who is able to make his own choices
Oh man! I'm weak for this kinds of plots. I have read a lot of manhwa and manga with this kind of theme and they never fail me not to cry. Good Luck to OP and David!
So, Patrick was right.
She went from her no dating rules to dating many folks, then dated David.
And after she went to France, even though she was a single mother of literal infant, she chose to have “short term flings”.
Patrick was right, she’s a fucking slut
So that's why I found this channel. I've been watching a lot of manga myself, so the transition seemed odd to me.
Love Secret Baby romance!
OH MY GO HAVE YOU HEARD ABOUT THE ONE ABOUT ROSALINE FROM ROMEO AND JULIET BEING PREGNANT WITH ROMEO’S KID AND THEN THE COUPLE RETURNS???!! It’s soooooo gooodd and she is such a queen
this one was truly chef's kiss. wish this was 3 hrs with years of updates...
How is it so hard to imagine his brother told him to leave his phone and deleted his texts?
how is it so hard to imagine that the guy never thought about reaching out to OP once in four years?
@@matthewbarabas3052 , because mister "i comment 'watch the video again' below every comment", he did try to get into contact with OP but couldn't because she told her parents to not talk to him. It's hard to imagine something happend, that OP admitted did not happen.
@@Humuncules Well said. Also lmao she also claims to have changed her number and email. Part of why this story seems a little too impossible to me 20:16
20:00 He even went to check up on her parents
Plus plenty of people break up and don't speak to their serious exes for decades
bc thats the problem!! No. he kept his brother in his life who actively harrased, spoke vile about ,bullied and hated his gf. even tho, he knew all this he deiced to trust him with her messages and delete them. he actively ghosted her, he made that choices. bc of him, OP had to go through pregnancy alone and all she knows is that he didnt care she had a child, dumped her, and ghosted her.
ig this man activly keeps his brother in his life who treated his gf this way, imgen how he would treat the child of the woman he hates, imagen what he would accuse her of around the kid and the hate he may have twoards her. hy should op trust him to be in thier life? he has dont nothing to earn that. he scrwerd this up. she has no reason to trust him.
@@matthewbarabas3052he did. He even went to their house several times
I would say take the slow and careful approach. If he cooperates talk more, if he shuts down communication pull the plug. This situation is going to be messy regardless of what happens better to minimize the casualties of it.
From everything that is being said from her biased point of view he is still being portrayed as someone who did not know a damn thing. I would refer you to the other comment that goes over the story from his perspective because I'm just going to lean on the side of he did not know shit because otherwise her whole story of him would not make sense even before we get to her coming back 4 years later.
@@lostnemesiswhat comment? Link?
@lostnemesis I know! I feel so bad for the BF, he was allowed to be upset and cut contact over OP choosing to go to France over their relationship. It's normal, many people do that. If there had been no pregnancy, it would not have been an issue at all. Yet OPs here acting like she's in the right and she has the right to be angry at BF. He can't control what his family do but she could definitely have made a better effort to make sure he knew of the existence of his child. She should have done that for her daughter at least, if not for him.
Also in her own terms BF was a really good guy so why did she take such a hard left on his personality just because he got upset with her leaving.
@@MissZeely But she did try to contact him about the baby. Multiple times, in fact. The email was the last resort she had to try and tell him. From her perspective, he ghosted her after he ended things, even at the news that she was pregnant with his kid. Why would she want to try and keep in contact with him after that? To her, trying when she was getting nothing back, especially with the email, was not going to change anything. She had given him the news, and maybe she should've gotten in contact with his parents to talk about visiting their grandchild or something, but going to them to talk about how their son was ignoring her, even at the news of her pregnancy, was, in her mind, not going to change his mind.
Moral of the story, if you have something important to tell someone, like they have a child on the way, make sure they actually, 100%, without a shadow of a doubt know.
or maybe, dont keep your brother in your life who actively harrased, spoke vile about ,bullied and hated your gf. even tho, you knew all this you still deiced to trust him with her messages and delete them. you actively ghost her, you made that choices. bc of him, OP had to go through pregnancy alone and all she knows is that he didnt care she had a child, dumped her, and ghosted her. maybe just dont do that?
@@Mayawamaqshe had plenty of other avenues of contacting his family.
@Mayawamaq dude, op said that the brother stopped harassing her and calling her names. Probably once the bf threatened to publicly disown him as a brother or because he thought she was going to stay with the bf. She didn't try hard enough to contact him and willingly decided to be a single mother and give birth in another country. She literally had her parents ignore the ex bf and not to put child support on him. She tried harder to keep him out of her and her daughters life than to actually reach out to him.
Im just finding it hard to believe that with all the different ways ppl can communicate with others, David nor his parents figured out OP was pregnant.
well she said you doesn't use social media so unless the parents are blabbing and their perspective is "David read the email and refuses to be in the child's life and rather party with his brother" they aren't gonna tell him either, and she went to a different country what are her friends gonna think "Obviously she got pregnant with her ex and then moved to a different country and came back with his child." No more likely people will just think "She got knocked up while in France."
Hiding a pregnancy is pretty easy. The main way that people learn about pregnancies is through gossip or social media - gossip from mutual friends/family, or photos/announcements posted to SM. If you cut off all of your mutuals, move out of the country, and don't use SM - it's pretty easy to permanently lose contact. Especially if the people who you've told hate the other person.
Well she did say the only ones who knew about the baby was her parents and her friend who she was going to be with in France.
I find it hard to believe you actually find that hard to believe. Have you never lost your phone, JUST your phone, while in another country? No one memorizes numbers anymore because we have cell phones that save them for us. Phone books largely don't exist anymore, public directories aren't a thing, and if you're in another country what's it matter? Pay phones are almost extinct, no one carries change on them anyway, and tourists are often unable to access computers very easily depending on the country due to language barriers; And even IF you get on one, if you don't have social media, how would someone get ahold of you? How would anyone find out? Especially when no one knows the details of where you are, what you're doing, or how long you'll be there for?
@@CherryGryffonIf that piece of fiction was real she wouldve told the parents that she needs to speak with him about something important and thats that
I agree with everyone OP in mind numbingly stubborn. Like she keeps saying how much he loves his mom but never reached out to her to tell her she had a granddaughter. God that is so selfish. Plus email's can easily go into the spam folder. She didn't try at all.
That's what I'm saying she never even sent a picture to them? Or even thought of the possibility that maybe he made a new email because she knew and got a new phone after the road trip so she didn't even try to contact the parents to get in touch with him after he got back... There was a lot of things she could have done with his parents but my God she is like the personification of pride leading to your problems. Because even if the brother was a instigator in facilitating the pride her pride kept her from minimizing the pain.
Um, she did try contacting them? In multiple ways, numerous times? Yiu say its not theirbfault if it went into a soam folder or they changed their numbers and emails, well thats not her fault either 😂
@@talkytabby2878she stopped her parents from informing him and his family multiple times because she was prideful. She never got a clear answer, they didn't even broke up they just got into a big fight. Both of them are dumb and caused themselves so much unnecessary pain and resentment.
@@talkytabby2878also she didn't say she was pregnant on text or any other way, only at the last attempt of an email. She kept it to herself and her family because she wanted to say it face to face. Maybe she should have informed him much sooner than what I believe a few days before leaving for abroad. You know she isn't the only one thats gonna be inconvenienced by cancelling the trip a few days before leaving because that may be the only time she may had contact with him. She is the definition of prideful.
@@fish-kt4iq good. she thought he ghosted her after he ingroned the messages telling him of the prgenacy. she didnt know he never saw them. why the hell should she go out of her way to try and get a man who seemling wants nothing to do with them and. keep his brother in his life who keept shamming and hrassing his gf who will most likely do the same to her daughter back in her life??
him trusting his brother, while knowing well he stright up hates, harasses and bullys that woman was his own fault. its not her job to try and contect him again and again
Can you start adding links to the reddit stories? But also damn to this story.
Thank you!!!! I'm often having to search tirelessly for possible new updates. I located this story but it was 8 years ago and the newer info that was added was deleted.
When he said it's taking all of his willpower from killing him, I believe him man.
She wouldn't have gone to France and neither of them would've gone through such pain.
4 years of their prime, down the drain just like that.
I personally, would've just asked her if she wanted me to kill the brother but that's just self-insert in a fantasy world.
I wish nothing but the best for them honestly. They should prioritize the daughter, and they should sort themselves after.
Like... What are they? They never even broke up...
He broke up with her in the conversation where she said she was going to Frace. He said he couldn't be in a relationship with someone knowing they were leaving him.
What are you saying? That if she hadn't left, they wouldn't have gone through all that pain?
Or if she wouldn't have left.. What??
Oh no! Don’t let that little girl watch the end of adventure time! That is way too tragic for a kid!
Holly hell this is an infuriating post david, ops parents, but specially op... if the story she was fed is real, her stubborness denied david of 4 years of his child, any chance of spitefullness or revenge would have blown the truth in his face and things would have been different, at the end of the day, my heart breaks for all of them, in 4 years 1000 things could have been done but weren't
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no, david did that. hes the one who ghosted her. also i dont know about you, but if my brother was constly shamming my partner, and trying to get me to break up with them, id cut ties with my brother. he did nothing. he tore aprt his own chnces.
It was both OP and her ex that fucked up. They're just scapegoating the brother. They had a million ways to get in touch but didn't. That's on them, not the brother they're trying to blame. He wasn't on his brother's back all the time, keeping him from contacting her. It was them.
Never would expected the twist that op is also a villain in this story
Why is she a villain? She wanted to experience a new thing. He chose not to go with her
@@JJ-br1nhi think it was the hiding the pregnancy bit and just not trying to
@@capsizemoonz2251 She didn't hide it. She used every method available to her (except reaching out to the abusive father/abused mother) to try to contact him. Text, phone call, email and physically going to his place. So not her fault the guy gave his phone to this bleep brother (see RUclips, I'm being good) to ghost her and the brother decided that meant deleting emails, too.
@@Nameless82284 she tried calling and texting him several times over the 2 weeks between finding out she was pregnant and her leaving for the Paris program. She went to his place. She emailed him(not something I would have thought of, too old I guess). Only after she started receiving blocked messages did she give up and decide to continue with university plans. Why would she want to have contact with someone who basically told her to eff off without words? Oh, you only changed your mind because I am having your munchkin? Not the life she wanted to live, and I don't blame her for that. Better to be a single parent than stuck a loveless or hateful relationship (remember Dad and brothers verbal abuse?)
@@capsizemoonz2251she tried but he didn't respond
Failure on the parents part. Mother should have pressured her into contacting child support agency. This would have resolved the whereabouts of the father quickly.
This is very similar to another story, where bf left and op couldn’t contact him, tried to, but the bf’s new GF deleted the email, eventually they run into each other and it all comes out, bf and OP end up together raising the kid
David: I have abandonment issues so don’t abandon me
OP: I will
This girl made a series of blunders that just left everyone miserable. Very stubborn person.
And coward
better to be stubborn than to try and fix up a very obviously destroyed and extremely resentful relationship that it would have been. OP made the right choice in minimizing future pain.
@@matthewbarabas3052 Who gives a shit about their realationship that idiot stole 4 years the guy could spend with his child...
@@matthewbarabas3052 thats assuming she would grow to resent him for getting her to not study abroad.
i dont understand why she still doesn't trust him after he shows her the texts between David and his brother + he meets their daughter? what is she still not sure about?
Yeah, she sus af. She seems kinda bad. Like even after all the bs she said she did, like assuming david abondoned her and blah blah blah. She also doesnt believe him 🤦
She doesn't think shes at fault, and shes convinced he abandoned her so she doesn't want to accept shes wrong
its her choice. and frankly, its the right choice. any other guy would have thought something was odd within a month. max.
@@matthewbarabas3052the point is that he tried though, he literally tried to talk to her parents? she was the one who sent a fucking email instead of just calling his mom or anything half reasonable. Then she literally told her parents to never talk to him, he tried to talk to them lol
@@Salt____ the video explains, though.
If I was the guy I’d be extra pissed because I never check my emails
I believe David and i believe he is innocent, they should reunite and look back at these events with a bittersweet nostalgia in 20 years when their daughter is grown up and they are long married.
On a side note. From his perspective, she abandoned a man who loved her so she could do luxury studies abroa. She left him even though she knew he was insecure about losing relationships due to his toxic family.
i think that was a weird part but i think both of them were being unfair, one wanted to cage the other and the other wanted to force a LDR onto the other
Thank you. She is the a hole too, playing victim. He stood up for her against his brother, but pArIs.
i dont get that, i mean its not like she was abandoning him, she was going to come back. She just wanted to go for higher studies which would inturn help op and david.
@@0zzy0sb0urne6exactly, it's not wrong to move up in life and take up opportunities... A good partner would actively SUPPORT that
@@donikaj7805 exactly, there's absolutely nothing wrong with that part cause at the end of the day youd want to see your partner succeed in life
“I have no idea how to even explain my situation” proceeds to type out 30 minutes worth of writing explaining in her situation in full detail.
the fact that she cant see how hurtful it id to leave just so she doesnt disappoint ger parent mean while this guys has been standing up for her and taking abuse since day one.
So she should give up an amazing opportunity 😂
its not an amazing opportunity. its a glorified vacation. its not like france is world renowned for its schools. he stood up for her for years and she couldnt stand up for him one time. it says a lot about how much she cares about him and his feelings.@@talkytabby2878
Damn. Hopefully they get along again in the near future and mend their relationship up. OP kinda screwed it all up with her decisions but I'm not sure if we can blame her here as she was just not able to think rationally. Just a miserable outcome for everyone involved tbh. Feeling quite overwhelmed myself rn
It's not a kinda if we're being completely Fair and she even admitted it herself later on in the story even up until she met him again the reason that she really didn't try to contact him after a certain point was because of her pride for me that takes clemency away because during the pregnancy and then at least for a year after it makes sense being pissed off but not even like sending a picture to the grandparents or him? It's just annoying.
OP screwed it all up
Here we go: fixed.
@@MrToubrouk yeah op really did not seek compromise about the relationship, ended it and then disapeared of the face of the worlds with her shit ass brother. Oh wait, thats the guy. Seriously why the fuck are people ignoring that.
She's at fault for shunning him and still not believing him. Patrick was PROVABLY a piece of garbage. To act like this ISN'T something that Patrick would do is naive as fuck. I understand they're young, but jesus christ, how are you that naive that you don't believe that a shitty, misogynistic and homophobic person would gladly shun an ex-girlfriend of his brother's out, and delete things regardless? Patrick is at fault for the email and texts being deleted, but she's at fault for being an idiot and not realizing that hey, he isn't a piece of shit, has never treated you badly, and laid out that he didn't want to work with her on an LDR, which is an entirely valid reason to end a relationship.
This all comes down to: quit being a stubborn asshole, and look at the context clues. If you wanted to study journalism, you surely didn't do enough of it if you just make up what actually happened in your head but refuse to believe that what's actually put in front of you is real.
@@MrToubrouk No. he effed it up when he kept his brother in his life who actively harrased, spoke vile about ,bullied and hated his gf. even tho, he knew all this he deiced to trust him with her messages and delete them. he actively ghosted her, he made that choices. bc of him, OP had to go through pregnancy alone and all she knows is that he didnt care she had a child, dumped her, and ghosted her.
ig this man activly keeps his brother in his life who treated his gf this way, imgen how he would treat the child of the woman he hates, imagen what he would accuse her of around the kid and the hate he may have twoards her. hy should op trust him to be in thier life? he has dont nothing to earn that. he scrwerd this up. she has no reason to trust him.
I still don't get what there is to be mad at him for. WTF did he do wrong exactly?!?
The OP is play the victim, despite that everything that happen was her fault.
He didn't, op just wants to blame everyone but herself
Well for one, he was an adult and she was a CHILD.
@@daddytatty7842 spare us your idiocy please.
@@orangeglassez actually legally you ARE still a child at that age. And anyone who says otherwise is a very very very disgusting person if they think it's ok for a minor to be with a legal adult.
Why OP didn't suspect Patrick from the start is beyond me.
because OP didnt think patrick was that awful. simple as that.
If OP took half a second to actually reach him then Patrick's plan would have immediately failed
@@shaynethegmann she did. it didnt work. and she tried repeatedly.
@matthewbarabas3052 watched this story before no she didn't, she left a note with a room mate when she couldn't get ahold of him and left
No. he effed it up when he kept his brother in his life who actively harrased, spoke vile about ,bullied and hated his gf. even tho, he knew all this he deiced to trust him with her messages and delete them. he actively ghosted her, he made that choices. bc of him, OP had to go through pregnancy alone and all she knows is that he didnt care she had a child, dumped her, and ghosted her.
ig this man activly keeps his brother in his life who treated his gf this way, imgen how he would treat the child of the woman he hates, imagen what he would accuse her of around the kid and the hate he may have twoards her. hy should op trust him to be in thier life? he has dont nothing to earn that. he scrwerd this up. she has no reason to trust him.
Hope this guys post update on how it goes when they let guy’s parents know and how it goes if they ever tell the kid that his her dad if not I would love to know where to find her Reddit account
"he didn't text me back on a road trip, I'm gonna leave the country and change all of my methods of contact."
Also
"Why didn't he text back?"
the why was because they were no contact. he gave up his phone for the road trip, probly not to dwell on the fact he'd broken up with the love of his life. and to top it off his brother deleted the messages. the email being deleted was the suprise he didn't know about. from his perspective she could have just been trying to make the long distance relationship work, and stayed full nc. to her, she had given him time, what should have been plenty of time, to get the message, any message. When he never responded or reached out the obvious assumption is he doesn't want any involvment, that is when she changed her contact info.
@@thalamicantonio6783what kind of moron goes on a road trip without a phone? What if they got stranded? What if they needed to check something or if they needed money? And if he left his phone behind wouldn't be roommate or parents have it for safekeeping? And wouldn't it ring constantly at his home, where she went, when she tried to call him? Even off the charger, if it had just been sitting there, I doubt the battery would have drained. There's just too many plot holes.
"Hey brother i am going on a roadtrip with, here is my phone. keep it from me so i can move on from the long time relationship i just ended from Irreconcilable differences. i trust you won't accidentally or maliciously delete anything life altering"
To think all this heartache could have been avoided if OP just told David’s parents. Smh.
This is honestly the after effects of stubborn pride at work here. She was so p.ssed about being dumped that she wouldn’t even get the support that her child deserved from her father. Even if she didn’t need that money herself, she could have banked that money in her daughter’s name and it would be there for her when she graduated. He would have been legally notified that he had a child by taking him to court for it. THEN he would have known FOR SURE and her child wouldn’t have spent those years of her life with no father. He and his daughter will never get those years back-he missed so much. OP played herself twice in all this-once by making some stupid trip to France (hope it was worth losing everything and her baby losing her father) more important than loving her partner, and then again by being so hurt and prideful that she refused any further attempts to connect her ex and his daughter. The brother is the true monster in all of this, to be sure, but OP made choices that had real world dire consequences for all parties involved. I’m not one of those “women shouldn’t ever be held accountable for their own actions” women. We honestly frick things up too and our hurt little fee fee feelings shouldn’t be more important than doing the right thing. She bombed this one. She made huge mistakes and won’t own them. Everyone else is to blame but “her”. Excuses excuses excuses about why she did what she did. When it was nothing but stubborn hurt pride, anger, “you can’t tell me what to do”, and entitled spoiled behavior likely from having well to do parents and being the spoiled only child used to getting her way-so how dare he say she shouldn’t go and then break up with her when she did? She is emotionally immature and selfish.
I agree
Yeah, very frustrating that she seems to think her ex was obligated to wait on her while she studied abroad
She was 22, entitled kinda, spoilt not sure, immature surely. Yet she was 22. Rarely a person so young has their head on straight. That's on her decision to go to France.
Later she was real hurt and had pregnancy hormones to top it off.
Those are not excuses, those are explanations. And the girl was to a point talking about what had happened, she believed he abandoned her, and decided to leave this whole shit behind so she could focus on her child. That's it, she was not making excuses.
22, dude, 22
@@PisauraMirabilisI'm just making this comment just in case you didn't read it all the way through or read the name (because I know dude can be used for anyone I do the same but just in case) the original is a woman,
But no matter what objectively the commentator is right because she could have solved it if she just talked to him with something as important as that she didn't even think of the possibility that he changed his information and tried to reach him in another way maybe he made a new email gotten a new phone and she never went and talked to him about anything so it still is just her lacking communication and I don't give a fuck when it's as big as that you go and talk you don't just send an email "oh oops I'm pregnant" you actually have a conversation and then if you do have a good relationship with the family but you still haven't been able to get in touch with him you can either use snail mail sending a letter to the parents or him or you go the approach of trying to get on FaceTime with the parents if they have a device or the means to do so or at the very least get on a phone call with them so that way you can inform them "hey I don't know if he changed his information but I haven't been able to get in contact with him"
i disagree. she tried to reach out, repeatedly, and was ignored. because of that, she has the *sole* right to decide anything she wishes. and we cannot disagree with it.
Wait why tf couldn't she go to his parents??? Bro she left him and If my friend got dumped like this I would also delete everything of his partner belongings. Ya brother is asshole but I would do the same thing. She had FCKING OPTION TO TALK TO HIS PARENTS BUT YA JUST IGNORE THAT. I find it hard to believe she did everything. She 100% wanted to go to France so she didn't want to do everything.
She didn't dump him, I don't see HOW so many of y'all are missing this unless you're just straight up not watching the actual video and only reading the comments. HE said HE couldn't do a long distance relationship and HE left HER. Then HE went on a road trip, with no phone, with his brother who he KNEW to be a POS, all bc said POS brother said to leave his phone. From HER perspective she was half-ass dumped because she was taking a career choice seriously that would result in a LDR and then straight up fucking GHOSTED even though SHE was desperately trying to give the relationship a second chance and skip out on the career choice if it meant staying with HIM.
In no way did SHE dump HIM, and SHE did not flee from anything. She had plans to study in france, they were set plans, her bf broke up with her over those plans and when he failed to contact her back about her offer to belay those plans she WENT AHEAD WITH THOSE PLANS.
@@CherryGryffon tf you talking about?? Just answer one fcking question dummy.
“ WHY DIDN’T SHE GO TO HIS PARENTS”?? HIS PARENTS ALSO IS THE KIDS FAMILY. Don’t act like there wasn’t options 😂😂
And no she broke up with him when she chose the job. And it’s fair!! If she wanna pursue job go for it but getting pregnant and leaving the country without evening telling his parents is fcking trash. She wanted to leave 😂 don’t act like it’s the brothers or his fault. She wanna act victim when there’s always been a choice.
@@CherryGryffon you read the comment? she easily could've contacted the guy's parents...
The title of this video is misleading She wasn't abandoned she chose to leave And only reason why she wanted them back is because she was pregnant. She needs to stop trying to blame other people and take responsibility for the choices she made. the plan to go to france was your first plan david was the second.
Exactly
This sounds like a Patrick burner account
@@VikasharYours sounds like an op simp account
@@doger6531 I'm the daughter, lol
@@doger6531 No. he effed it up when he kept his brother in his life who actively harrased, spoke vile about ,bullied and hated his gf. even tho, he knew all this he deiced to trust him with her messages and delete them. he actively ghosted her, he made that choices. bc of him, OP had to go through pregnancy alone and all she knows is that he didnt care she had a child, dumped her, and ghosted her.
ig this man activly keeps his brother in his life who treated his gf this way, imgen how he would treat the child of the woman he hates, imagen what he would accuse her of around the kid and the hate he may have twoards her. hy should op trust him to be in thier life? he has dont nothing to earn that. he scrwerd this up. she has no reason to trust him.
A child having a child.
I believe that everything happens for a reason. I also understand OP for not pursuing her EX regarding her pregnancy. Her mamma bear instincts kicked in and she realized her baby is top priority. When you think about it, its good that OP was somewhere far away during her pregnancy. Patrick is evil enough to harm OP. He could've hurt both OP and the baby if she had stayed. That would've been a tragedy.
What, all she did was send an email to tell him he is a father? for 4 years? Nah , this is straight out, her fault.
watch the video again. she tried to contact him endlessly via a lot of methods. not her fault.
@@matthewbarabas3052 clearly not. Emailing and texting do not count as "endless methods"
@@Warlord_Megatron watch the video again.
she found out about the pregnancy approx 2 weeks before leaving. She called several times, text several times and went to his place to try talking to him as well as that last ditch effort of reaching out to him via email. She then thought hehad decided to ghost her. Where is her failing?
@@matthewbarabas3052 she sent texts but didn't even tell abt the pregnancy there, she told abt the pregnancy in one measly email which could've been gone to spam anywys, then didn't try to talk to him directly ever. She is just plain stupid.
Holy shit I hope she’s ok since it was deleted and everything
Damn, I'm so invested in what happens next!
Wait a minute, if OP lives in the same town as the father, why didn't she tell the parents? Surely they'd relay that info, either because of disappoitment or anger, but there is a form of communication you know will get to him.
i cried a lot hearing this... thanks for your strenght to put all this online.
You... realise this isn't the account of the reddit user, right? This channel just scrapes reddit stories and has a text to speech voice read it.
If you want to say these kind words best find OP herself lol
@@MattJDave not only that but this story is clearly bullshit lmao
this sounds like a movie plot😂
I was thinking shitty YA romance novel 😂
He didn't really abandon her, she CHOSE to leave and he assumed she left. If there is a need to pass blame (There isnt) its her fault for choosing France, she's being selfish being mad like that.
My god think about ruining parenthood and holding the father away and suffering for years because 6 or 7 desicions on not demanding money or justice usw. The guilt must be unbelievable
She has done nothing wrong and still everything wrong. The gods were against that woman
This basically just sounds like OP did the bare minimum to let this man know he was going to be a father because she was petty. Didn't let her family talk to him or his family. Didn't talk to his family herself. Just sent some texts, made some calls, and finally an email and then decided "well fuck you for not responding to my minimal effort." While the brother is a big part of the issue here, OP's inability to be mature about all of this is also to blame. OP and the brother robbed that man of his child's beginning.
This is exactly what I thought
thats not the bare minimum. are you using the right word? the bare minimum would be *one* text. and thats all. one.
@@matthewbarabas3052They broke up. Do you know what I do when I get broken up with and I’m sure that it’s over? I block their number because nothing good ever comes from staying in contact with exes, especially ones that you still have feelings for. It’s just emotionally painful
Daaamn right..
@@matthewbarabas3052 she sat on her ass and typed out a few messages. To me, that’s bare minimum you could do when she could have put forth more of an effort to let him know. She had zero courage. She made zero effort to get to him in person. She did nothing of substance or value.
"part of me believed him or wanted to believe him. But then another part just wanted me to tell him to fuck off because if he was being honest. Then that means i spent 4 years thinking that he abandoned us when it wasn't the case at all." WTF
That's anime level lack of communication. Girl you have issues.
David is a better man than I. If a woman I loved left me to study abroad I would be pissed yes, but if she had my child and sent me only 1 email and never even spoke to me in person I would burn half the city down in a blind rage! I can’t believe what a terrible person she turned out to be
I hope there's an update, and they are finally happy as a family
This is just poor choices one after the other by everyone involved
honestly, this is all her fault. She didn't even tell the parents she did not even try to get ahold of him.
she was groomed by this man
Shes just a coward, and essentially alienated her daughter from her dad cuz shes just a coward
Did you miss the part where patrick deleted all her messages from Davids phone?
@@talkytabby2878 Yeah, in year one, what about the other 3 years And 9 months.
@@talkytabby2878ah yes, because visiting again was too hard to do right? Both the guy's parents and the guy himself moved to Mars apparently. She could have put her pride aside for something as important as her child, for fuck's sake
His father is probably going to be happy to have a granddaughter and maybe even change his ways
I love how she goes from hesitant and 'take things slow' to 'he will be visiting everyday and we have plans to tell her he is her father' that is not slow that is from 0 to 100 you've known this man like a day since you got back and already you are plannimg and restructuring your whole life around him....stfu.
I'd personally tell the kid first, she's the one most affected by this.
Love how the brother is being scapegoated here when both of them dropped the ball. Literally both of them shut the fucking door on one another and tbeyre blaming the brother for oiling the hinges.
This OP is insufferable
I got to say. I blame the OP on this one. Like David had no clue that he had knocked her up so how was it in any way his fault? Yes he had his scumbag brother around which was his flaw but that is about it. The OP really should have told David's family that she got knocked up and such. They deserve to know as they are relatives to that baby as well. If this story is real then god damn the OP is a stubborn woman who RUINED the chance she had for the perfect family with David. Hands down a great misplay to only try a little in contacting him and not telling anyone in town.
No. he effed it up when he kept his brother in his life who actively harrased, spoke vile about ,bullied and hated his gf. even tho, he knew all this he deiced to trust him with her messages and delete them. he actively ghosted her, he made that choices. bc of him, OP had to go through pregnancy alone and all she knows is that he didnt care she had a child, dumped her, and ghosted her.
she not a stubborn woman, and there was never going to be a "prefect family with David" he was not a good man to being with.
ig this man activly keeps his brother in his life who treated his gf this way, imgen how he would treat the child of the woman he hates, imagen what he would accuse her of around the kid and the hate he may have twoards her. hy should op trust him to be in thier life? he has dont nothing to earn that. he scrwerd this up. she has no reason to trust him.
He MIGHT not have known she was pregnant, but SHE didn't know that. As far as SHE knew, he DID know and he CHOSE to abandon her. We have hte luxury of "seeing" all sides so it's easy to lay the blame on her when in fact it lies on Patrick.
David do be the real victim of this story, victim of his brother hiding the truth from him and a victim of op's terrible handling of the situation. Ngl I hope if they do go to therapy together that the therapists ends up telling op that her feelings of resentment towards david are unwarrented because while his brother can be blamed for deleting the texts and email she is to blame for not pushing further then sending texts and an email, and while some have called op evil/stubborn I see this more as pure emotional illogicness
Is no one gonna talk about how David is kinda a predator??
Absolutely. She made a point of saying nothing happened before she was 17 but dude was clearly grooming her from 15, saying she was the most beautiful girl in the world etc...
3 years is not that big fo an age gap... also you guys do realise that not every country has the age of consent at 18 right? some of them go as lower as 12 years old...
This made me cry.
Didn’t you abandon him first?
Nope
@@CherryGryffon Yup
Exactly , she abandon him then she asked him to come back
Why can nobody on the internet spell pregnant? 😂
At the end of the day she killed the relationship in the first place. Lets say she wasnt pregnant, if she had left for france, the small town david would have 100% been over shadowed by someone she would meet in france and get romantic with and that would have been the end of all of it even if david decided to stay with her while she was long distance.
A small town teenage love is not gonna stand ground in something like that with france and higher cultured men in a fancy city and she wanted more with her life and future. David was prerty much fucked the second she wanted to go to france
I blame op for thinking of what happened.
Like at this point she might as well have put her message in a bottle and thrown it in the lake, she'd probably have better luck reaching him that way.
we just ignoring that they started dating at 17 & 20?? or the fact that an 18 yr old was calling a 15 yr old "the most beautiful girl in the world"???
not from usa , in some part of the world the age of consent can go as low as 12 years old
3 year age gap? Oh please.
Saw that the original post was 7 years ago, kinda wish we got another update
gotta say thou some comments were removed idk if by Op themself but some seemed more critical, at least that is what i gathered from her answers which seemed defensive
(bearing in mind that i know full well that this channel is not OP)
okay
Okay...
Okay.
But HE DIDNT ABANDON YOU.
He broke up with you after you chose france over him. Which, to be clear is totally your prerogative.
He made it clear that this choice made him uncomfortable, and that by making either choice you making a decision.
He did what people normally do after breaking up, and cut contact.
He did not do anyone wrong. You did.
He had no reason to look into any emails that you might have sent.
He had no reason to read any of your texts.
You were broken up.
He neither abandoned nor betrayed you.
I'm trying to show the OP some grace here but a lot of this could've been avoided had she got her parents in contact w/her bf's parents. Not only that, but I HATE when young women say "I don't want his money!" Okay, but that's your baby's money! You never know when you need hella money bc emergencies dgaf when said emergencies happen. Like what if the baby had some rare genetic condition that requires expensive treatment? What if you need a new place to say bc of the child's health or allergies? So many scenarios...
Will there be a part two eventually? I want to know what happens next!
8:07 I mean, why didn't she called his family? Sorry it's just an obvious move
How does anyone believe these stories. She could’ve easily found him through the police or through his parents. Clearly he just blocked her on everything and tried to move on but I bet if he was notified by a family member or the authorities that he has a child he’d probably come home
women are their own biggest enemy.
I get it boyfriends brother was the bad guy here but if OP really wanted to tell her bf about the child why not ask his mom or his friends to contact and make sure he knows it,
OP is guilty as well. the real victim is the bf and the child who had to grow up without the father who didn't even know she exist she could have gotten all the love a child deserves from her father.
father could relive those precious moments with another child but this child will never be able to experiance it.
Classic female logic: first she burns all the bridges behind her, and then she is shocked that no one followed her.
In David's place, I would have not only been mad as hell at my brother, but also at her.
What Patrick did was messed up BUT the lost 4 years were a lot of peoples fault.
That is what I'm saying. They're just trying to scapegoat him.
Even after going france to study and leaving her boyfriend she comes back to the small town she wanted to leave as she wanted to study abroad
And here is a loophole where she said he was on road and didnt checked the text then how in the world he would check email. Strange
People check texts fater than emails
First question why didnt she ask the guy to go with her? Aside from that it seems she gave up way too easy in the time in between, why not tell the roommate that she wanted to speak to him about something extremely important? Why not ask the parents who she was supposedly close to to ask david to contact her? Surely he wasnt ignoring their texts even if she didnt want to say anything to them surely they could pass on a message? On davids side how the hell do you hang around with someone who actively tried to sabotage the relationship to begin with and called your girlfriend a whore on multiple occasions i thought at first he was his only family but finding our his parents are still around and loving make me question his judgement.
If david is let back into her life is she going to come home one day to find Patrick teaching her daughter to say whore?
David should be have been smart enough to leave for France as well ... He should have been smart enough to break away from his family ..
I call fake story . Anyone would have contacted his parents.
She was quite dumb tbh. Assuming someone read an email without confirmation is crazy. Wasn't it obvious that it could be Patrick's fault the entire time? I was already guessing it when she mentioned the roadtrip. And she could've easily contacted the parents too. Everyone had their share of the blame, including her ego and excessive pride. I hope the story is fake because otherwise it's just too pitiful that all those years were lost lol.
Is anyone gonna talk about how them dating at some point was ILLEGAL
she could have solved it years earlier
over and over she avoids dealing with reality bc it would hurt her own feelings or force her to accept responsibility for how she behaved; its abt HERSELF not what's best for the child or the relationship with her guy
this all happened bc she was selfish.
Bruh, girl is kinda at fault here “I’ll be back” is gone for 4 years lol. What a joke.
The summary of the story Patrick is evil the Op is one of the biggest Fing morons I have ever seen in a Reddit story where the op isn't immediately the bad guy,
And poor David man bad family bad brother and apparently a bad girlfriend who's someone too prideful to try to actually communicate besides one brief moment where the hormones are flaring gods.... The op and david lost a relationship but the thing is he lost 4 years with his daughter he lost four years of decisions that he could have made to change his life and she doesn't trust him for a decision that was well outside of his realm of responsibility.
I had a feeling the brother deleted emails
Patrick was evil but gi ven how long she took to believe David, and how much she deprived her daughter of a loving daughter, he had a point about her.
Blaming Patrick is fine but holy hell OP's fucking stubbornness just lead to David losing 4 years with his daughter
No. he effed it up when he kept his brother in his life who actively harrased, spoke vile about ,bullied and hated his gf. even tho, he knew all this he deiced to trust him with her messages and delete them. he actively ghosted her, he made that choices. bc of him, OP had to go through pregnancy alone and all she knows is that he didnt care she had a child, dumped her, and ghosted her.
ig this man activly keeps his brother in his life who treated his gf this way, imgen how he would treat the child of the woman he hates, imagen what he would accuse her of around the kid and the hate he may have twoards her. hy should op trust him to be in thier life? he has dont nothing to earn that. he scrwerd this up. she has no reason to trust him.
dvaids poor choices and stubbornness, leadhim to missing out on his child
Homocism! Also when it comes to being a Sibling that actually has that bond it's not like you turn into a different person you just have your priorities straight.
We in the past always acted like strong men don't cry and such but if anything happened to any of us that broke quite quickly we were also willing to do many things we don't normally do that was simply the bond that exists.
This story is very frustrating.
I am 10 minutes in and she just leaves for france after she can not contact the baby father that is still heart broken after the break up? That sounds mad ngl
OP: im pregnant and need to tell david. i'll send him a text. that didn't work. should i tell his family, friends, litearally do anything else except assume he hates me and leave? nah.
I cant be the only one who thinks this lady is lowkey delusional right?
It takes me 1-2 business years to check my emails 💀
Meh. Another exaggerated, word salad, wok of fiction from Reddit.
yeah, this feels like a teenager girl's victim fantasy. At least I got a chuckle at "he fell off a horse and broke every bone in his body". As you do.
@@FigliadiSephiroth My thought halfway through was "This sounds like someone asked ChatGPT to rewrite Kill Bill as a emotional female teenager reddit post" 🤣
So… he was telling her that she was the most beautiful woman in the world while she was 15 and he was 18? Moreover, their full-on relationship started when he was 20 and she was only 17? That’s a bit of a yikes city for me, even if they seem like a charming couple outside of that.
different country than usa , probably a lower age of consent, in some countries that can be as low as 12 years old ,
@@i-am-a-lie... Legality and morality are two different things
@@i-am-a-lie... I’m on mobile so I’m not able to edit my comment and add to it, otherwise I’d’ve done that for this. The fact he waited until it wasn’t a crime is an indicator that if the age of consent was lower or if anti-pedophilia laws did not exist, he wouldn’t have waited. He is a pedophile, regardless of if he dodged any laws. I don’t really remember much of what happened in this video, nothing actually, but I’m not in the mood to give any positive thoughts or benefit of a doubt to a pedophile unlike past me apparently was.
@@antonberkbigler5759 it's not that big of an age gap , if it was a 18yo with a 12 yo then i would've agreed that this is fucked up but 18 and 15? only 3 years apart , unlike the case of the dude who married a woman who could easily be his grandmother , (the one on tiktok trying to get pregnant)
@@i-am-a-lie... And you’re an authority on whether or not that much of a gap is small enough to not count? You disgust me.
TL;DR: OOP fought with her boyfriend, broke with him, found out she's pregnant, make the minimum effort to tell him, go full NC with him, Insists the Family tells him nothing, pissed 4 years later that "He Let Her And Her Daughter Down", realize it's a big misunderstanding.
OOP is a loon.
What a great way to break down a story incorrectly! Thanks!
@@CherryGryffon You're welcome. What did I missed?
@@MrToubrouk She did mess up multiple times, but she isn't a crazy loon who just never tried, and then abandoned her boyfriend on some random whim.
First of all, HE broke up with HER, not the other way around. Secondly, she tried to contact him MULTIPLE TIMES, trying to get them to meet up so she could tell him about the pregnancy, even so far as going to his place to talk. The email was a last ditch effort to tell him about his child. So she stopped trying to contact him when it looked like he didn't care about her, or his kid. Sure, she messed up by not letting his parents know about their grandkid and not trying to get child support, but her not wanting her parents to confront him about the kid wasn't her being crazy. It was her not wanting any drama that, again, she thought would get her nowhere, as with her previous attempts. So she left, as the one thing that could've kept her where she lived, had dissappeared without a trace. Them not being in contact was logical to her because of all that had happened.
You taking the story as everything that happened was her fault, and that the boyfriend did nothing wrong, even when he let his brother walk all over his girlfriend, and even control his life, is a total leap in logic.
All it is, is a case of two people in a relationship messing up in multiple ways and separating because of it, and finally figuring out what exactly went wrong, and how they both messed up, four years later.
No update?! Do OP and David get back together?! I hope they do 😢
Let me fix the title - My stubbornness and inability to communicate + Boyfriends Brother kept my Child from her father