Megan had an "ah ha" moment around 15:00 where she inferred about her study of the bible and religion based upon a critical review of literature, history, and archeology. I, too, had such a moment 20 years or so ago and now I feel that I appreciate religious study with an open and critical mind. Thanks to Bart, Megan, and all the guests on this RUclips site for keeping me engaged and curious.
Yep, it's the same 'Lights Go On' moment a lot of people feel when they realize THEY ARE PERSONALLY ALLOWED TO DISCARD 'THE PROUD RICH COST OF OUTWORN, BURIED AGE' LIKE PLATO AND ARISTOTLE! Newton may work for many of the practical 'space navigation and astrophysics' stuff, but as of now, Einstein is the Reality, not Newton and his spooky 'Force at a Distance' chimera.
As a viewer and former Christian, there's definitely a difference. The Bible is just accepted at face value because it's presupposed as the divine word by Christians but scholars (inclined Christian scholars) look at it with the nuance of it as a collection of books for a particular religion as they break down the information, with critique .
It’s accepted as the Devine word of god by SOME Christians but not all. Not even most. It’s mostly an American evangelical holdover from medieval Europe after the Catholic Church decreed that the chosen books of the Bible were the inherent word of god not to be questioned. It’s mostly an American thing in modern times, and a Protestant evangelical reading of the Bible for the most part.
I actually went to a small Lutheran College in the Midwest. One professor was probably pretty traditional. But the other one was an ordained Lutheran minister who taught all Old Testament at the convent and filled in for the rabbi when he was not available. This guy was one of those people who look at context. The Bible became really interesting and beautiful under his tutelage
The devaluation of education in the US has so much to answer for. There, anyone can call themselves a pastor and start a church. This was supposed to safeguard freedom of religion and keep the church separate from the state. I guess I don't have to explain to anyone how that panned out, here on the threshold of a Handmaid's Tale US presidential administration. In my country, Denmark, there's a Lutheran state church (for pretty much all intents and purposes, it's a little complicated). In order to become a priest in this church you must complete five years of Theology at a secular university (we don't have religious unis, thankfully), which adds up to a research Master's degree. After this you need to complete a 19-week diploma to learn specifically about priestly work, basically how to hold a service, teach young teens for their Confirmation and do pastoral care more generally. Need I point out how this has kept undue religious influence out of politics for many, many decades and thus resulted in more religious freedom, currently, than what is the case in the US?
what is the issue with a market approach to religion; what is the public good test for regulation for credentials of preachers. And Denmark promotes freedom of religion; Jewish, Methodist, Roman Catholic, Hindu, etc. There is no regulation in Denmark for clergy in those religions. More the issue; is why have a state church; most European countries have ended such. In UK Wales disestablished the CoE in 1930s. Churches are a private business; aside from the financial probity required of charitable organisations - there is no other need for State involvement; and certainly not compulsory contribution by taxpayers who are Muslim or Roman Catholic, etc. At least in Germany the state subsidises all religions
@@russellmiles2861 I don't understand your question, in the sense that my comment already answers it. The public good of the Danish system is that we're not on the precipice of living in A Handmaid's Tale. That's plenty enough as far as most people are concerned.
And the way to becoming an orthodox priest n Russia does not require any high level studying as such. it is an internal process that favours the narrow-minded. The name says it all: ortho=right/straight/correct Dox=teaching/path/way. They are convinced they are on the right path...
@@rdklkje13 by public good - what is the justification for the state intervening in a free market: in this case religion - which is a private activity. Eg, we have speed limits on public roads because of an overwhelming advantage in life and property. This aside the cost of enforcement - about 1/4 of policing resources in Western countries go to road issues, along with about 1/5 of prisoners in jails, along with corruption: that a many folk are able to drive safely to conditions without a posted speed limit. Cyclist having helmets may be beneficial but generally considered not worth the effort So why would licensing preachers like teachers or nurses be a significant benefit that it overwhelmed the cost. In the USA the great majority of parishioners go to mainstream churches which have high education and credential standards themselves. And how do you decide if a Sunday school teacher or Bible study group must have a mandated pastor, what if a small religious community could not afford a university graduates. And why do Danish taxpayers have to pay for a church when most are not that religious?
Mr. Mendez's course sounds incredible, and he is certainly engaging. I will try to come up with the money. I am recently retired and now have the time.
I am more excited than ever to take this course! I highly recommend the BSA!!!!! It is refreshing to be able to discuss different views of the Bible and not sitting under some form of indoctrination. Great job to everyone involved in this venture✔️👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
When I was new to the faith almost 42 years ago, it was explained to me that all of God's word was direct revelation, dictated by Himself. (This is the classic, low-church and free-church understanding in Norway.) But then I started reading more myself. Soon I was studying theology, first at seminary, later at uni. The watchword was the opening verses in Luke. Then I realized that each author, in total more than forty, testified about God from his own human standpoint. Although God supposedly dictates a good deal, there are many more eyewitness accounts, and we are better served by understanding the texts as such. Then the inevitable eventually happened: the low-churchness could no longer stand me, and I could not stand their low-mindedness either. A long journey of faith via the Church of Norway (Lutheran) has led me to Colombia, where I now live with my family. I go to mass almost every morning with my mother-in-law. However, our local priest is of a somewhat simpler kind, so I do not discuss theology with him.
Fascinating interview, with Megan once again outstanding in her questions . I would love to hear Hugo and Bart debate "Q." REALLY intriguing that they differ on that ...
We need to get back to a time where everyone feels free to ask questions. I know in the Mormon faith it is highly frowned upon to ask questions about anything really.
Religion doesn’t like questions. The original sin is eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil for a reason. The first sin man committed was seeking knowledge. The pursuit of knowledge requires you ask questions.
I'm former believer. This is one of the things (of many) that drove me from my faith. I always had questions, tough ones. The questions were frowned upon and the answers pretty unsatisfactory
Having studied theology, shamanism and eastern religiosity at Divinity School, it wasn’t hard for me to have the Bible and Christianity deconstructed and to still have a strong believe in God. In fact, NOT having to believe in a lot of things that never made much sense and were the precipitating factor for ever studying at Divinity School (so I could find the answers myself) made having faith in something transcendent much easier. Atheism is far from the inevitable consequence of deconstructing one’s religion.
My church is a famous Protestant church in New England. We have Bible study, and our pastor got a doctorate from seminary and ma in history. In worship and bible studies we cover the various denominations positions on scripture, the different faiths position, as well as historians and biblical scholars (text critics and myth origins). We cover how the text is used today. The narrative/belief of scripture through the lenses of faith and historians are often both thought by churches. Kjv only and biblical literalism (bible is fact, bible is 100 percent word if God) in reality is only held by a small number of Christians. Even of those Christians, most don’t believe that when not in public or on camera. The high priests and heads of various offices at the Vatican have the position that you do both: for faith purposes you view it one way, believe it one way. For other things you view it another. It doesn’t matter if they contradict or don’t agree with each other because they don’t have to and can’t. They are literally at a loss when people don’t understand this or view this as a problem. In bill maher’s movie, the priest who was a scientist was dumbfounded when asked if the church believes in creationism/genesis or science the theory evolution was true. He was like both are true and have nothing to say or do with each other. one is for spiritual purposes and worship/faith. The other is science. He was perplexed that people were literalists and evolution deniers or they said evolution disproves scripture. He was like the scripture was written as a history of what happened or for a scientific reason lol.
Is the church lying to us? Are we being deceived? We are often given a very simplistic view of the Gospels, avoiding all complexities and contradictions.
I'd say yes to both questions but probably not maliciously. Rather, because scripture is seen as divine book, within Christian communities, it doesn't get exegated and explored in a scholarly basis. But I still think it's a disservice for Christians and any religion, honestly, to not be taught the historical lense of their book without the dogma.
@@baonemogomotsi7138 In fairness, an hour long church service with a +/- 15 minute sermon which is generally focused on interpreting and applying the readings is hardly conducive to scholarly examination nor would it be appropriate. Its not like those resources are not readily available and any priest or pastor worth his/ her salt would probably be thrilled to help you out.
...YES, the various xtian churches Have -- for Two Millennia-- Been- & ARE, Still today, LYING to their 'parrishoners'; ...and YES (Again) -- parrishoners Are Still BEGGING their popes, prelates, priests, pastors & preachers to DECEIVE their 'flocks' with Reassuringly Simple & Unambiguous stories in which the "Good Heroes" ALWAYS Conquer the "Evil Villains"...
If I could choose the topic/subject of a course, I would like to look for the meaning of "belief." What is it to believe? As I understand it, faith is belief in the absence of knowledge and, in effect, knowledge is the antithesis of faith. So, again, what does it mean to "believe?"
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It was a Catholic priest teaching numerous survey courses on the World's religious literature, major eastern, middle eastern, and European, that opened my eyes. He taught 'religious literature' along with actual 'religion' courses at a VERY Catholic University , and he obviously sprinkled inferred/tacit "Left to the Reader" exercises in applying the same analysis to The One True Faith, as in the particular flavour of Roman Catholicism he was not allowed to put into context, cuz Inquisition. Luckily, Ehrman and other competent, professional, HONEST sources of religious study became readily accessible in the passing years to help break the stranglehold my early religious indoctrination in a mainline Protestant faith had on my thinking, to ever decreasing levels, through quantum step jumps at every new source I could purchase and read. Amazing how 'returning to ground state' of my original organic atheism at birth is just like the decay of an electron pumped up to higher and higher orbitals, but which never released me from my religion by ionization, but from shedding the teaching and returning to The Beginning. People can torture that metaphor to find a superior and inferior way to shed religious ignorance and find 'true inner meaning' if they want, but I'm too happy in ground state to perturb the system any more.
Thank you Bart for sharing your student with us again. ❤ Dr. Hugo Mendes would you like to give us a study on MVP studies course on The Gospel of John? Please 🙏 Maybe if we ask Derek On Myth vision. Or maybe on a Bart course if there is time in the schedule. Thanks again
I have cone across numerous Christians who are convinced the Pharisees turned Jesus over to the Romans. The “New Testament” explicitly says the Sadducees, who were appointed by the Romans. It lands me to believe many Christians are seeing what they want or expect to see.
A non-christian cannot truly divide the salvation message. The Bible tells us that Jesus Christ ordained and gave gifts to men to teach His people. As a result, believers would be framed into the full statue of Jesus Christ. People are trying to change Christianity into a class issue that gives rise and authority to the unbelievers, as long as they have a doctorate in some theological institutions, they have the right to teach the Gospel more perfectly. There is a fundamental difference between philosophy and the simple Gospel message - Search the scriptures in them you will find everlasting life. We respect Bart and his friends, but their mission is not about salvation that the scriptures teach, it is about something else.
It is probably meant as an act generousity when other scholars are invited to talk on Bart Ehrman's show. But I am always disappointed when I find a video with Bart Ehrman's name on it but not Bart himself in it.
My disappointment with Christianity with the Hebrew Bible with the New Testament feel a lot of spirituality. It’s a lot of rules about how society is supposed to function and I don’t see them miss the same thing.
Good program. Also, lovely subliminal crosses in the background. Viewers should scroll down and listen so as to not be affected or, should I say, infected.
The Christian “Old Testament” is different from the Jewish Hebrew Bible. Yes, I know Daniel is in Aramaic. The Hebrew Bible ends with Chronicles II. The Book of Esther and Maccabees are not in the Hebrew Bible.
Maccabees is not included in the Christian “Old Testament” and the people that call themselves Jews today (Karaites excluded) consider Esther to be more important than any book of the Tanakh, including the five books of Torah. It is unclear what the "Hebrew Bible ends with Chronicles II" is supposed to mean but Jews of the first century seem to have universally accepted Malachi as the "ending" of their holy writ. That said, the "Jewish Hebrew Bible" was codified after the Christian "Old Testament" and portions of Daniel/Ezra are Aramaic.
The documentary Journey of Man a Genetic Odyssey could be the history of the human race from the Tower of Babel onward. People did not obey God's command to fill the Earth before Noah's Flood 60 thousand years ago. It's a very enlightenening documentary. The book Navigating Genesis is a hard but worthwhile read.
Is there any good reason to refer to ourselves as secular? It strikes me as another pejorative, like pagan. Weren’t both of these words created by Christians to otherwise people they disagree with?
Facts verify: No historian mentions Jesus Apostles miracles Paul anywhere in any historical record from that exact time period makes outside the new testament. There are hundreds of variant versions of the Christian bibles none used match the earliest original koine Greek new testament or Hebrew Tanakh scripture sources.
My third idea is to give the bible to a council of 12 daoist leaders and have them amend, redact and comment on it until it becomes 70% the bible As we know it, then sell copies of that online as the correct bible I would give them a copy of the English original king james bible, the greek septuagint, the dead sea scrolls in hebrew and the Ethiopian tewahedo and have them consolidate them into a chinese translation by squaring them together and assemble what ever canon they prefer
...by "Internal Diversity within the bible" (between ~6:46--7:45) the guest Of COURSE means "Glaring Contradictions between Supposedly 'First-Person' (i.e.; 'First Deity' accounts of The SAME events"...
I just looked him up and wow what a doppelgänger! Crazy close. And also thanks because I’m big into music and I’m checking out Richard Marx and this guy. It’s great! Thanks. I just went down a Vertical Horizon rabbit hole haha. Gin Blossoms meets Smashing Pumpkins. Sorry for going off topic haha.
I have 2 ideas; give bibles to an isolated tribe and come back in 10 years and see how weird their church is And put 20 apologists on an island to copy the bible from memory with no wifi to cheat And see how accurate they were _The lion lays down with the lamb no its supposed to be lobo lays down with the lamb no its da woof ways down wiff da wamb_
The copyright law and intellectual rights this is very defective as the rights of invention it should go to the inventor and his hires not to company buying it the rights of a book writer should not be for the publisher but for the book writer and his heirs . The most difficult task is of the writer and then of the printer who just gets what is based on his time involved etc the publisher from any corner by telephone do everything only arranging finances on interest the curse of all things .
the "psychology" or Gospel writers.....and readers.....is a much un-investigated topic how the brutality of life, with high infant and child mortality rates, slavery, conflict and absence of justice shaped the psychology of said writers and readers really needs attention because modern readers would struggle to comprehend the psychology in the times the Gospels were written
This guy is a very good speaker and communicator but the topic isn't that great for this channel. It comes off more as a soft advertisement for his university course.
I stopped watching this. I was constantly interrupted by ads. If this is what this channel is turning into, then I'm out. Certainly Bart doesn't need tythe money if he is hosting tours and promoting classes. It is disgusting.
You do realize that it's RUclips who is placing the adverts, don't you? If Dr. Ehrman were to turn off advertisements then RUclips would stop recommending his videos.
Another podcast riddled with rationalistic misconceptions, only this time delivered by Bart Ehrman’s mini-me. It’s amazing the lengths these two will go to, in order to avoid bringing up the question as to what the scriptures actually mean’. Their goal in life seems to be to try and educate God away with critical rationalism so that we can all dwell together in spiritual poverty or as Carl Jung put it - “ in the cold light of consciousness where the barrenness of the world extends even to the stars”. The underlying motivation seems to be a fear of Christification. Hugo’s academic approach is based upon the critical philosophy of science which is negatively metaphysical or in other words materialistic and always seeks to reduce things to human proportions. However the Christian Bible is not a construction of the rational mind. It is a a product of the psyche and the archetypal realm of the collective unconscious. It’s symbolic contents record psychological phenomenon and no phenomenon can ever be disposed of by rational criticism. What Hugo teaches is Bibliolatry because it strips out any question of meaning to concentrate soley on circumstantial publication history. His methodology is the same as the fundamentalists, in that he interprets the Bible literally but concludes it to be therefore false whereas the fundamentalists reach the opposite conclusion. As David Tacey says: “The use of reason to the exclusion of of myth and fantasy makes us sick, because it alienates us from the sources of healing, which are only ever expressed in symbolic language.”
The fact that you are unable to separate textual criticism from how the literature is used within faith communities quite simply demonstrates poor education and a lack of critical thinking skills.
@@byrondickens. The fact you accept, uncritically, the implicit atheism that underpins biblical scholarship demonstrates that an empty head makes the best pupil
Omg this was excruciating to listen to. Without Bart's charisma this is almost unbearable. 😒 Guest was just asking question after question without any answers. If you and your family took a booze shot everytime he asked a question without an answer you'd be all dead before half time. 🙄
The speaker need to address Megan's questions more specifically. He only gives wag explanations of things and to special points asked by Megan. He once was interviewed by Bart and he was not answering questions either. This is my one cent feedback on Mendez. He need to hit the point, not going around the bushes.
The church has a conflict of interest; they care what the answer is more than they want to be correct. I don't think that is a legitimate path to truth.
I will throw something out there that people have not taken into consideration. 4 Gospels. YHWH a tetragrammaton, a greek construct expaining the grammar of four. Four being the division of the human frame, into thought, emotion, body and desire, represented by the cross. Four elements air water earth ad fire respectively. This originates from the 4 canopic jars. Tav in hebrew the last letter of the hebrew alphabet is a pictogram of the cross. The Globus Cruciger is an inverted Ankh. The scriptures hold more than meets the eye.
@@stantorren4400 The changes of consciousness created by weed can be created without weed. Depending upon crutches re-enforces the subconscious belief you are an invalid. Ahab Jezebel Melkart Baal. Follow the lead, a system introduced to the new egyptian kingdom established by Thutmose lll when he went into Battel in Meggido 1500BC via Tyre, A phoenician port that had ties with pontic greeks using star charts for navigational purposes. This system can be found upon the celestial sphere with Argo Navis at the southern pole and the Draco constalletion at the northern pole of the Celestial sphere. If you want to understand Ezekial, wheels in the heavens with eyes, check out Mashallah ibn Athari and his explanation of cosmology, you may find Jacobs ladder, which is the stone with seven eyes explained to Joshua, and how Joseph became viser to the Pharoah when he was in egypt. Look within the Book of Job, you will find reference to Orion, and Pleiades. The church of Megiddo, ends the whole game, Christ is King. You want more, just ask.
What Is in the Hebrew scriptures. Isaiah 52:2 Dust being a metaphor for flesh, serpents food. Circiumsize your heart ,Deuteronomy 10:12-17 and Deuteronomy 30:6 a future event, with no flesh identification, ethnicity falls away. . Isaiah 9:6- 7 Verse 7 indicates it is a future event, The government upon the sons shoulders being the laws of heaven as in the fathers laws himself. So the question is if you dont follow the laws in theTorah, explained by the Tanakh, the question is what do you follow. What is this thing called Judaism? For the political side of the issue. Ethnocentrism is a major factor in the divisions among members of different ethnicities, races, and religious groups. It's the belief that one's ethnic group is superior to another. Ethnocentric individuals believe they are better than other individuals for reasons based solely on their heritage. Antisemetism Accusation in a mirror (AiM) (also called mirror politics, mirror propaganda, mirror image propaganda, or a mirror argument) is a technique often used in the context of hate speech incitement, where one falsely attributes one's own motives and/or intentions to one's adversaries. Upholding an ethnocentric ideology and defence of such ideology is turned into an existential crisis. Micah 7:3 - 6 Why the Jews Are Not God's Chosen People (2024)
I love the comments. Whwre does this even play into the dialog Here? The passages you listed uses anachronistic terms for that time. The problem then for you is Jesus and the tanakh which transcribes israelites as thr chosen ppl. You prefer Acts and perhaps Paul which nullifies the Jewish contract. The mirror you mention is something lately I have been applying to christians. World control, dogmatism, dislike and distrust of anyone not of the same belief system. Finally judaism is the belief that the torah was the word and law of God . The law is paramount to all. While it's nice to quote a few passages here and there thr law is still above all else because it comes from God. How does one understand thr law? Teachers, elders, traditions. Hope that helps, it wont.won't. Jews are not chosen as better ppl, they are chosen as a promise to their forefathers. They get special laws.
@@RunesandReapers If one views the work of Iain McGilchrist, one can discern there are two ways of approaching the external environment one finds oneself within. and this is crucial for understanding scriptures that scholars tend to miss. To discect without proving what the text is intended to show is not why scriptures were written. An example is if i give you a recipe for bread, and by your own method you dissect the text to find if it holds validity, while not actually using the recipe to bake bread you will not understand the intention of why i gave the recipe in the first place. I am not religious in any conventional sense and i have studied many subjects concerning the so called bigger picture and walked into reading scriptures due to not wanting to be fooled by what is generally bandied about as gospel and why three abrahamic religions differ so much. I suggest not to assume anything about what you think i understand, as that would be only a reflection of your own contents held within your consciousness. I can see by what you wrote you did not reveiw the linked video, the last sentence in my initial comment, as you would of understood, from my opening commentary that rabinnic judaism does not follow Torah at all. Maybe the Mitzvot of not mixing milk and meat product at the same table setting, while YHWH sits down to eat meat and milk product given by Abraham in Genesis 18. 8 a direst contradiction as presented will show something is out of whack, as is the Torah commandment of circumsizing the heart, not in the Mitzvah at all. Now one can use the Old Testamant to see if the New Testament is valid, or the other way around. My suggestion is the latter, as guidance from the holy spirit is immensely useful in discerning the truth embedded within scriptures themselves. Isaiah 55:8-9 The difference between church and universities, i hope, now becomes clear for you
"money grubbing event" You realize where the money goes, or haven't you been paying attention? These videos are free to watch. Good thing you're leaving since you aren't paying attention even when it's free.😅😂
The Christian “Old Testament” is different from the Jewish Hebrew Bible. Yes, I know Daniel is in Aramaic. The Hebrew Bible ends with Chronicles II. The Book of Esther and Maccabees are not in the Hebrew Bible.
Megan had an "ah ha" moment around 15:00 where she inferred about her study of the bible and religion based upon a critical review of literature, history, and archeology. I, too, had such a moment 20 years or so ago and now I feel that I appreciate religious study with an open and critical mind. Thanks to Bart, Megan, and all the guests on this RUclips site for keeping me engaged and curious.
Yep, it's the same 'Lights Go On' moment a lot of people feel when they realize THEY ARE PERSONALLY ALLOWED TO DISCARD 'THE PROUD RICH COST OF OUTWORN, BURIED AGE' LIKE PLATO AND ARISTOTLE!
Newton may work for many of the practical 'space navigation and astrophysics' stuff, but as of now, Einstein is the Reality, not Newton and his spooky 'Force at a Distance' chimera.
I would love to sit in a Dr Méndez class. What an engaging teacher!
That's what his upcoming BSA course is for! 😊 I can't wait!
As a viewer and former Christian, there's definitely a difference. The Bible is just accepted at face value because it's presupposed as the divine word by Christians but scholars (inclined Christian scholars) look at it with the nuance of it as a collection of books for a particular religion as they break down the information, with critique .
not reading the Bible helps ... especially the footnotes that say this section is not found in early codixes
It’s accepted as the Devine word of god by SOME Christians but not all. Not even most. It’s mostly an American evangelical holdover from medieval Europe after the Catholic Church decreed that the chosen books of the Bible were the inherent word of god not to be questioned. It’s mostly an American thing in modern times, and a Protestant evangelical reading of the Bible for the most part.
I actually went to a small Lutheran College in the Midwest. One professor was probably pretty traditional. But the other one was an ordained Lutheran minister who taught all Old Testament at the convent and filled in for the rabbi when he was not available. This guy was one of those people who look at context. The Bible became really interesting and beautiful under his tutelage
The devaluation of education in the US has so much to answer for. There, anyone can call themselves a pastor and start a church. This was supposed to safeguard freedom of religion and keep the church separate from the state. I guess I don't have to explain to anyone how that panned out, here on the threshold of a Handmaid's Tale US presidential administration.
In my country, Denmark, there's a Lutheran state church (for pretty much all intents and purposes, it's a little complicated). In order to become a priest in this church you must complete five years of Theology at a secular university (we don't have religious unis, thankfully), which adds up to a research Master's degree. After this you need to complete a 19-week diploma to learn specifically about priestly work, basically how to hold a service, teach young teens for their Confirmation and do pastoral care more generally. Need I point out how this has kept undue religious influence out of politics for many, many decades and thus resulted in more religious freedom, currently, than what is the case in the US?
what is the issue with a market approach to religion; what is the public good test for regulation for credentials of preachers.
And Denmark promotes freedom of religion; Jewish, Methodist, Roman Catholic, Hindu, etc. There is no regulation in Denmark for clergy in those religions.
More the issue; is why have a state church; most European countries have ended such. In UK Wales disestablished the CoE in 1930s. Churches are a private business; aside from the financial probity required of charitable organisations - there is no other need for State involvement; and certainly not compulsory contribution by taxpayers who are Muslim or Roman Catholic, etc. At least in Germany the state subsidises all religions
But does the government subsidize the church like in Germany?
@@russellmiles2861 I don't understand your question, in the sense that my comment already answers it. The public good of the Danish system is that we're not on the precipice of living in A Handmaid's Tale. That's plenty enough as far as most people are concerned.
And the way to becoming an orthodox priest n Russia does not require any high level studying as such. it is an internal process that favours the narrow-minded. The name says it all: ortho=right/straight/correct Dox=teaching/path/way. They are convinced they are on the right path...
@@rdklkje13 by public good - what is the justification for the state intervening in a free market: in this case religion - which is a private activity. Eg, we have speed limits on public roads because of an overwhelming advantage in life and property. This aside the cost of enforcement - about 1/4 of policing resources in Western countries go to road issues, along with about 1/5 of prisoners in jails, along with corruption: that a many folk are able to drive safely to conditions without a posted speed limit. Cyclist having helmets may be beneficial but generally considered not worth the effort
So why would licensing preachers like teachers or nurses be a significant benefit that it overwhelmed the cost. In the USA the great majority of parishioners go to mainstream churches which have high education and credential standards themselves. And how do you decide if a Sunday school teacher or Bible study group must have a mandated pastor, what if a small religious community could not afford a university graduates.
And why do Danish taxpayers have to pay for a church when most are not that religious?
Mr. Mendez's course sounds incredible, and he is certainly engaging. I will try to come up with the money. I am recently retired and now have the time.
I am more excited than ever to take this course! I highly recommend the BSA!!!!! It is refreshing to be able to discuss different views of the Bible and not sitting under some form of indoctrination. Great job to everyone involved in this venture✔️👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
When I was new to the faith almost 42 years ago, it was explained to me that all of God's word was direct revelation, dictated by Himself. (This is the classic, low-church and free-church understanding in Norway.) But then I started reading more myself. Soon I was studying theology, first at seminary, later at uni.
The watchword was the opening verses in Luke. Then I realized that each author, in total more than forty, testified about God from his own human standpoint.
Although God supposedly dictates a good deal, there are many more eyewitness accounts, and we are better served by understanding the texts as such.
Then the inevitable eventually happened: the low-churchness could no longer stand me, and I could not stand their low-mindedness either. A long journey of faith via the Church of Norway (Lutheran) has led me to Colombia, where I now live with my family. I go to mass almost every morning with my mother-in-law. However, our local priest is of a somewhat simpler kind, so I do not discuss theology with him.
I marvel that you still believe in god.
I like the way the coffee cup goes so well with Megan’s glasses. A nice splash of color to lift the day. Cheers
Wait! OMG! Did Megan match her MUG with her GLASSES?!?!
Love it every episode! GOAT!
Love it! Thank you!
Fascinating interview, with Megan once again outstanding in her questions . I would love to hear Hugo and Bart debate "Q." REALLY intriguing that they differ on that ...
Now THAT would be a Bart Ehrman debate that I would watch.
This is excellent!!
I am an atheist, brought about from reading the bible 3times, but still fascinated about it. How so many people make sense of this crazy story.
We need to get back to a time where everyone feels free to ask questions. I know in the Mormon faith it is highly frowned upon to ask questions about anything really.
Two words: Episcopal Church.
Are you a Mormon? Some people feel that the Mormon church is a cult. Well, in my opinion, they are all cults.
Religion doesn’t like questions. The original sin is eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil for a reason. The first sin man committed was seeking knowledge. The pursuit of knowledge requires you ask questions.
I'm former believer. This is one of the things (of many) that drove me from my faith. I always had questions, tough ones. The questions were frowned upon and the answers pretty unsatisfactory
Thank you Hugo for your purpose to God.
Rocking the New Year with new glasses. Off to a fast start.
My eyes are open to the "misquoting " of scripture , the more I study , the more "man's " words separate from God's truth and meaning !!!❤😂🎉
Great episode. Every Christian polemic should watch this episode and also try to debate this guy or Bart. Would be hilarious.
Well done Megan. Always a joy.
Having studied theology, shamanism and eastern religiosity at Divinity School, it wasn’t hard for me to have the Bible and Christianity deconstructed and to still have a strong believe in God. In fact, NOT having to believe in a lot of things that never made much sense and were the precipitating factor for ever studying at Divinity School (so I could find the answers myself) made having faith in something transcendent much easier. Atheism is far from the inevitable consequence of deconstructing one’s religion.
My church is a famous Protestant church in New England. We have Bible study, and our pastor got a doctorate from seminary and ma in history. In worship and bible studies we cover the various denominations positions on scripture, the different faiths position, as well as historians and biblical scholars (text critics and myth origins). We cover how the text is used today.
The narrative/belief of scripture through the lenses of faith and historians are often both thought by churches.
Kjv only and biblical literalism (bible is fact, bible is 100 percent word if God) in reality is only held by a small number of Christians. Even of those Christians, most don’t believe that when not in public or on camera.
The high priests and heads of various offices at the Vatican have the position that you do both: for faith purposes you view it one way, believe it one way. For other things you view it another. It doesn’t matter if they contradict or don’t agree with each other because they don’t have to and can’t. They are literally at a loss when people don’t understand this or view this as a problem. In bill maher’s movie, the priest who was a scientist was dumbfounded when asked if the church believes in creationism/genesis or science the theory evolution was true. He was like both are true and have nothing to say or do with each other. one is for spiritual purposes and worship/faith. The other is science. He was perplexed that people were literalists and evolution deniers or they said evolution disproves scripture. He was like the scripture was written as a history of what happened or for a scientific reason lol.
The usual fudgery
Is the church lying to us? Are we being deceived? We are often given a very simplistic view of the Gospels, avoiding all complexities and contradictions.
I'd say yes to both questions but probably not maliciously. Rather, because scripture is seen as divine book, within Christian communities, it doesn't get exegated and explored in a scholarly basis. But I still think it's a disservice for Christians and any religion, honestly, to not be taught the historical lense of their book without the dogma.
@@baonemogomotsi7138 In fairness, an hour long church service with a +/- 15 minute sermon which is generally focused on interpreting and applying the readings is hardly conducive to scholarly examination nor would it be appropriate. Its not like those resources are not readily available and any priest or pastor worth his/ her salt would probably be thrilled to help you out.
...YES, the various xtian churches Have -- for Two Millennia-- Been- & ARE, Still today, LYING to their 'parrishoners';
...and YES (Again) -- parrishoners Are Still BEGGING their popes, prelates, priests, pastors & preachers to DECEIVE their 'flocks' with Reassuringly Simple & Unambiguous stories in which the "Good Heroes" ALWAYS Conquer the "Evil Villains"...
only when they move their lips
If I could choose the topic/subject of a course, I would like to look for the meaning of "belief." What is it to believe? As I understand it, faith is belief in the absence of knowledge and, in effect, knowledge is the antithesis of faith. So, again, what does it mean to "believe?"
Great presentation. I loved the Freudian slip at 8.54 'hysterical (gulp) historical narratives'.
can anyone answer: If I go the route of BSA will I be able to listen to this whole course?
Yes - you can attend live or listen later! The course starts on January 27th and goes for 15 weeks to May 5th. We hope to see you there! - Social Media Team
@@bartdehrman thank you for replying. I signed up and now a student
It was a Catholic priest teaching numerous survey courses on the World's religious literature, major eastern, middle eastern, and European, that opened my eyes. He taught 'religious literature' along with actual 'religion' courses at a VERY Catholic University , and he obviously sprinkled inferred/tacit "Left to the Reader" exercises in applying the same analysis to The One True Faith, as in the particular flavour of Roman Catholicism he was not allowed to put into context, cuz Inquisition.
Luckily, Ehrman and other competent, professional, HONEST sources of religious study became readily accessible in the passing years to help break the stranglehold my early religious indoctrination in a mainline Protestant faith had on my thinking, to ever decreasing levels, through quantum step jumps at every new source I could purchase and read. Amazing how 'returning to ground state' of my original organic atheism at birth is just like the decay of an electron pumped up to higher and higher orbitals, but which never released me from my religion by ionization, but from shedding the teaching and returning to The Beginning. People can torture that metaphor to find a superior and inferior way to shed religious ignorance and find 'true inner meaning' if they want, but I'm too happy in ground state to perturb the system any more.
The only time a preacher talks about being generous is just before they send around the plate.
Cacophony. Love it!
I am curious what would an incoming freshman expect to get out of a class on the New Testament?
Thank you Bart for sharing your student with us again. ❤
Dr. Hugo Mendes would you like to give us a study on MVP studies course on The Gospel of John? Please 🙏
Maybe if we ask Derek On Myth vision.
Or maybe on a Bart course if there is time in the schedule. Thanks again
I have cone across numerous Christians who are convinced the Pharisees turned Jesus over to the Romans. The “New Testament” explicitly says the Sadducees, who were appointed by the Romans. It lands me to believe many Christians are seeing what they want or expect to see.
I suggest not raising that there is no list of 10 Commandments anywhere in Bible - that gets em real excited
@@russellmiles2861not really lol
@@nonyobussiness3440 there really isn't
What verse in the New Testament is saying that the Sadducees were appointed by the Romans.
A non-christian cannot truly divide the salvation message. The Bible tells us that Jesus Christ ordained and gave gifts to men to teach His people. As a result, believers would be framed into the full statue of Jesus Christ.
People are trying to change Christianity into a class issue that gives rise and authority to the unbelievers, as long as they have a doctorate in some theological institutions, they have the right to teach the Gospel more perfectly. There is a fundamental difference between philosophy and the simple Gospel message - Search the scriptures in them you will find everlasting life. We respect Bart and his friends, but their mission is not about salvation that the scriptures teach, it is about something else.
Apologetic writings are always difficult but interesting. A Jewish story written in Greek makes it more so.
It is probably meant as an act generousity when other scholars are invited to talk on Bart Ehrman's show. But I am always disappointed when I find a video with Bart Ehrman's name on it but not Bart himself in it.
My disappointment with Christianity with the Hebrew Bible with the New Testament feel a lot of spirituality. It’s a lot of rules about how society is supposed to function and I don’t see them miss the same thing.
Good program. Also, lovely subliminal crosses in the background. Viewers should scroll down and listen so as to not be affected or, should I say, infected.
The Christian “Old Testament” is different from the Jewish Hebrew Bible. Yes, I know Daniel is in Aramaic. The Hebrew Bible ends with Chronicles II. The Book of Esther and Maccabees are not in the Hebrew Bible.
Maccabees is not included in the Christian “Old Testament” and the people that call themselves Jews today (Karaites excluded) consider Esther to be more important than any book of the Tanakh, including the five books of Torah.
It is unclear what the "Hebrew Bible ends with Chronicles II" is supposed to mean but Jews of the first century seem to have universally accepted Malachi as the "ending" of their holy writ. That said, the "Jewish Hebrew Bible" was codified after the Christian "Old Testament" and portions of Daniel/Ezra are Aramaic.
The documentary Journey of Man a Genetic Odyssey could be the history of the human race from the Tower of Babel onward. People did not obey God's command to fill the Earth before Noah's Flood 60 thousand years ago. It's a very enlightenening documentary. The book Navigating Genesis is a hard but worthwhile read.
Mr. Ehrman, please don't use headlines that are substandard English. It reflects poorly on your work.
1:12 Oh is that what he's been up to? I was wondering.
Dr. Ehrman can morph into different appearances… proof of paranormal or supernatural? I’d say yes 🤔🤔
Is there any good reason to refer to ourselves as secular? It strikes me as another pejorative, like pagan. Weren’t both of these words created by Christians to otherwise people they disagree with?
I am "a person who does not make things up or pay attention to things others make up". Not sure what the name for this is except connected to reality.
@@hm5142 A few years ago I was labelled as a Militant Atheist. Haven't quite got round to manning the barricades due to arthritis.
Facts verify:
No historian mentions Jesus Apostles miracles Paul anywhere in any historical record from that exact time period makes outside the new testament.
There are hundreds of variant versions of the Christian bibles none used match the earliest original koine Greek new testament or Hebrew Tanakh scripture sources.
Exact time period? As in during the 1st century? Josephus and others long wrote about Jesus.
@@baonemogomotsi7138He didn’t say never mentioned, he specified particular things, like miracles and apostles, etc.
My third idea is to give the bible to a council of 12 daoist leaders and have them amend, redact and comment on it until it becomes 70% the bible
As we know it, then sell copies of that online as the correct bible
I would give them a copy of the English original king james bible, the greek septuagint, the dead sea scrolls in hebrew and the Ethiopian tewahedo and have them consolidate them into a chinese translation by squaring them together and assemble what ever canon they prefer
.. we Already have such a de-mythologized text; it's called "THE JEFFERSON BIBLE'...
...by "Internal Diversity within the bible" (between ~6:46--7:45) the guest Of COURSE means "Glaring Contradictions between Supposedly 'First-Person' (i.e.; 'First Deity' accounts of The SAME events"...
why ... how does it bother you if folk believe in talking snakes, virgins births and vampires
But... why?
At first I thought that was Matt Scannell from Vertical Horizon.
I just looked him up and wow what a doppelgänger! Crazy close. And also thanks because I’m big into music and I’m checking out Richard Marx and this guy. It’s great! Thanks.
I just went down a Vertical Horizon rabbit hole haha. Gin Blossoms meets Smashing Pumpkins. Sorry for going off topic haha.
I have 2 ideas; give bibles to an isolated tribe and come back in 10 years and see how weird their church is
And put 20 apologists on an island to copy the bible from memory with no wifi to cheat
And see how accurate they were
_The lion lays down with the lamb no its supposed to be lobo lays down with the lamb no its da woof ways down wiff da wamb_
Christ divine unity
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The copyright law and intellectual rights this is very defective as the rights of invention it should go to the inventor and his hires not to company buying it the rights of a book writer should not be for the publisher but for the book writer and his heirs . The most difficult task is of the writer and then of the printer who just gets what is based on his time involved etc the publisher from any corner by telephone do everything only arranging finances on interest the curse of all things .
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To day there is one "church" interpretation is the height of intellectual illiteracy.
Why is this charming young man spending hours everyday shaving and buffing his head? Vanity?
Whew. The glasses are back!
the "psychology" or Gospel writers.....and readers.....is a much un-investigated topic
how the brutality of life, with high infant and child mortality rates, slavery, conflict and absence of justice shaped the psychology of said writers and readers really needs attention
because modern readers would struggle to comprehend the psychology in the times the Gospels were written
This guy is a very good speaker and communicator but the topic isn't that great for this channel. It comes off more as a soft advertisement for his university course.
I stopped watching this. I was constantly interrupted by ads. If this is what this channel is turning into, then I'm out. Certainly Bart doesn't need tythe money if he is hosting tours and promoting classes. It is disgusting.
You do realize that it's RUclips who is placing the adverts, don't you? If Dr. Ehrman were to turn off advertisements then RUclips would stop recommending his videos.
RUclips premium. Freeload and deal with the ads, or pay the $15 a month.
Another podcast riddled with rationalistic misconceptions, only this time delivered by Bart Ehrman’s mini-me. It’s amazing the lengths these two will go to, in order to avoid bringing up the question as to what the scriptures actually mean’. Their goal in life seems to be to try and educate God away with critical rationalism so that we can all dwell together in spiritual poverty or as Carl Jung put it - “ in the cold light of consciousness where the barrenness of the world extends even to the stars”. The underlying motivation seems to be a fear of Christification.
Hugo’s academic approach is based upon the critical philosophy of science which is negatively metaphysical or in other words materialistic and always seeks to reduce things to human proportions. However the Christian Bible is not a construction of the rational mind. It is a a product of the psyche and the archetypal realm of the collective unconscious. It’s symbolic contents record psychological phenomenon and no phenomenon can ever be disposed of by rational criticism.
What Hugo teaches is Bibliolatry because it strips out any question of meaning to concentrate soley on circumstantial publication history. His methodology is the same as the fundamentalists, in that he interprets the Bible literally but concludes it to be therefore false whereas the fundamentalists reach the opposite conclusion.
As David Tacey says: “The use of reason to the exclusion of of myth and fantasy makes us sick, because it alienates us from the sources of healing, which are only ever expressed in symbolic language.”
The fact that you are unable to separate textual criticism from how the literature is used within faith communities quite simply demonstrates poor education and a lack of critical thinking skills.
I feel sorry for you
I feel sorry for you
@@jonidee1957 - Not as much as I pity you.
@@byrondickens. The fact you accept, uncritically, the implicit atheism that underpins biblical scholarship demonstrates that an empty head makes the best pupil
the cut in 25:50 is quite telling how hard you are trying to push the anonymous authors agenda
NOBODY! 😁🥸🧐
Omg this was excruciating to listen to. Without Bart's charisma this is almost unbearable. 😒 Guest was just asking question after question without any answers. If you and your family took a booze shot everytime he asked a question without an answer you'd be all dead before half time. 🙄
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The speaker need to address Megan's questions more specifically. He only gives wag explanations of things and to special points asked by Megan. He once was interviewed by Bart and he was not answering questions either. This is my one cent feedback on Mendez. He need to hit the point, not going around the bushes.
The church has a conflict of interest; they care what the answer is more than they want to be correct. I don't think that is a legitimate path to truth.
Nobody
Nobody in the bible had a bible….. No Paul, No Christianity religion fact 😂
So f ing what? Your point?
I will throw something out there that people have not taken into consideration. 4 Gospels. YHWH a tetragrammaton, a greek construct expaining the grammar of four. Four being the division of the human frame, into thought, emotion, body and desire, represented by the cross. Four elements air water earth ad fire respectively. This originates from the 4 canopic jars. Tav in hebrew the last letter of the hebrew alphabet is a pictogram of the cross. The Globus Cruciger is an inverted Ankh. The scriptures hold more than meets the eye.
How did my weed dealer get in here?
@@stantorren4400 The changes of consciousness created by weed can be created without weed. Depending upon crutches re-enforces the subconscious belief you are an invalid. Ahab Jezebel Melkart Baal. Follow the lead, a system introduced to the new egyptian kingdom established by Thutmose lll when he went into Battel in Meggido 1500BC via Tyre, A phoenician port that had ties with pontic greeks using star charts for navigational purposes. This system can be found upon the celestial sphere with Argo Navis at the southern pole and the Draco constalletion at the northern pole of the Celestial sphere. If you want to understand Ezekial, wheels in the heavens with eyes, check out Mashallah ibn Athari and his explanation of cosmology, you may find Jacobs ladder, which is the stone with seven eyes explained to Joshua, and how Joseph became viser to the Pharoah when he was in egypt. Look within the Book of Job, you will find reference to Orion, and Pleiades. The church of Megiddo, ends the whole game, Christ is King. You want more, just ask.
_Church vs Universities: Who Gets the New Testament Right?_
*Neither.*
What Is in the Hebrew scriptures.
Isaiah 52:2 Dust being a metaphor for flesh, serpents food. Circiumsize your heart ,Deuteronomy 10:12-17 and Deuteronomy 30:6 a future event, with no flesh identification, ethnicity falls away. . Isaiah 9:6- 7 Verse 7 indicates it is a future event, The government upon the sons shoulders being the laws of heaven as in the fathers laws himself. So the question is if you dont follow the laws in theTorah, explained by the Tanakh, the question is what do you follow. What is this thing called Judaism?
For the political side of the issue.
Ethnocentrism is a major factor in the divisions among members of different ethnicities, races, and religious groups. It's the belief that one's ethnic group is superior to another. Ethnocentric individuals believe they are better than other individuals for reasons based solely on their heritage.
Antisemetism
Accusation in a mirror (AiM) (also called mirror politics, mirror propaganda, mirror image propaganda, or a mirror argument) is a technique often used in the context of hate speech incitement, where one falsely attributes one's own motives and/or intentions to one's adversaries.
Upholding an ethnocentric ideology and defence of such ideology is turned into an existential crisis.
Micah 7:3 - 6
Why the Jews Are Not God's Chosen People (2024)
I love the comments.
Whwre does this even play into the dialog Here?
The passages you listed uses anachronistic terms for that time.
The problem then for you is Jesus and the tanakh which transcribes israelites as thr chosen ppl.
You prefer Acts and perhaps Paul which nullifies the Jewish contract.
The mirror you mention is something lately I have been applying to christians.
World control, dogmatism, dislike and distrust of anyone not of the same belief system.
Finally judaism is the belief that the torah was the word and law of God . The law is paramount to all.
While it's nice to quote a few passages here and there thr law is still above all else because it comes from God.
How does one understand thr law? Teachers, elders, traditions.
Hope that helps, it wont.won't.
Jews are not chosen as better ppl, they are chosen as a promise to their forefathers. They get special laws.
@@RunesandReapers If one views the work of Iain McGilchrist, one can discern there are two ways of approaching the external environment one finds oneself within. and this is crucial for understanding scriptures that scholars tend to miss. To discect without proving what the text is intended to show is not why scriptures were written. An example is if i give you a recipe for bread, and by your own method you dissect the text to find if it holds validity, while not actually using the recipe to bake bread you will not understand the intention of why i gave the recipe in the first place. I am not religious in any conventional sense and i have studied many subjects concerning the so called bigger picture and walked into reading scriptures due to not wanting to be fooled by what is generally bandied about as gospel and why three abrahamic religions differ so much.
I suggest not to assume anything about what you think i understand, as that would be only a reflection of your own contents held within your consciousness.
I can see by what you wrote you did not reveiw the linked video, the last sentence in my initial comment, as you would of understood, from my opening commentary that rabinnic judaism does not follow Torah at all. Maybe the Mitzvot of not mixing milk and meat product at the same table setting, while YHWH sits down to eat meat and milk product given by Abraham in Genesis 18. 8 a direst contradiction as presented will show something is out of whack, as is the Torah commandment of circumsizing the heart, not in the Mitzvah at all. Now one can use the Old Testamant to see if the New Testament is valid, or the other way around. My suggestion is the latter, as guidance from the holy spirit is immensely useful in discerning the truth embedded within scriptures themselves. Isaiah 55:8-9
The difference between church and universities, i hope, now becomes clear for you
I am so sick of this channel turning into nothing but a money grubbing event. I'm going to simply unsubscribe when I'm finished with this text. Tata
it is about religion
@@russellmiles2861 No it is not. It is about academic biblical scholarship. The fact you can't seem to separate the two speaks volumes.
Are we supposed to be upset that you unsubcribed? Inspired by your ... sacrifice? Lol. Bye
@@byrondickens that there is folks will all sorts of angles - besides, academic scholars are just trying to make a living... who cares
"money grubbing event" You realize where the money goes, or haven't you been paying attention? These videos are free to watch. Good thing you're leaving since you aren't paying attention even when it's free.😅😂
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The Christian “Old Testament” is different from the Jewish Hebrew Bible. Yes, I know Daniel is in Aramaic. The Hebrew Bible ends with Chronicles II. The Book of Esther and Maccabees are not in the Hebrew Bible.