Very good points outlined by these great Shihans. I totally agree with Christian Tissier that if one tries to apply Aikido in the basic form it won't work because that's only for basics. If it's applied practically then it wouldn't be stylized exactly like the basics. It would be free form. This is something that a lot of people (especially arm chair mma fans) don't seem to get. There's no rule in Aikido that you have to keep it elegantly stylized if you're going to use it practically. The shapes don't matter.....it's the motions and principles that does.
I love watching Aikido but it was a little disappointing to learn that the uke were throwing themselves to prevent suffering a broken wrist (And maybe to also please the Sensei). Kind of takes the magic away.
MrMattias87 I understand, but why can't the Sensei apply just enough pressure to cause pain. Then the Uke can just tap his body and just dispense with the cinematic self throws?
MrMattias87 That doesn't make a lot of sense, If Uke does not throw himself then the wrist lock would cause pain. He is teaching pain techniques. You must be a beginner.
i had the honor of , by my Teatcher's blessing, a Tamura Sensei's 7th Dan Disciple, of partcipating in a Seminar of Tamura Sensei and , i also had the honor of beeing his Uke when he demonstrated the 5 principle basics of hand gripping in tachi-waza-ikyo, nykyo, sankyo, gokyu and yonkyu wich he did with amazing perfection and only using one hand. I also had the honor of meeting him and thanking him for his teatchibg during the seminar and he also shook my hand. iI was amazed with his humbleness, elegance and perfection while explaining the Aikido techniques. May he rest in peace, i'll always remember that Seminar and of having the honor of meeting such a great human beeing an Master of Aikido. The same way, i have the same honor of beeing a disciple of my Teacher, also a Shian and a wise, extremelly warm and gentle man as a true Aikidoka in and out of the dojo. More than an Great Aikidoka, i honor him as an amazing human being. I don't write his name for respect for his privacy and humbleness but i honor him always. Hugo Duarte d'Almeida
Yes, we were blessed to have Tamura Sensei in Portugal many times. And, contrary to France, this meant only about 50 people on the mat, as opposed to 500 in France. And the same for Tissier Sensei. I was lucky to take Ukemi for both of them, in Portugal, I would likely never had had a chance to do that in France :)
Merci pour la vidéo. Maitre Tamura était exceptionnel! J'ai récemment fait un stage avec Yamashima Shihan, je vous le recommande vivement. Paix sur vous.
Thanks for your vid--merci beaucoup. Tamura never let anyone do a technique to him--he was a fart. Once i saw an uke do the same thing to him and he started to force and search to break the ballance with no success. He got rather irritated :D I do not block uke's flow even when uke makes mistake, like this they can use the flow to work on other aspects of the technique where they didn't make a mistake: like a continuous breath exhale for example. Tessier is honest to admit that the "forms" are "educatifs", to cultivate the right skills (des aptitudes) and not to be used martially in their educational variation, eventhough the principles are the same.
Tamura Sensei never blocked the UKE, he just wanted the person to do it right. People were often tense and therefore could not do the technique, which is understandable. He let me do techniques to him (on several different occasions), so you are simply mistaken.
"he just wanted the person to do it right. People were often tense and therefore could not do the technique, which is understandable. He let me do techniques to him (on several different occasions), so you are simply mistaken." Exactly!!
Tamura and Tamura student have tendencies to block . However the goal is to highlight issues usually. It is a Tamura's way of teaching. This sometime creates confusion for people used to work with flexible uke but helpfull to try to find the right way to avoid blocking. But i agree somtime bloking create steril movement when done inacuratelly. In a kata Geiko all aikidoka can block all aikidoa's . In Juwasa things are not the same ;)
EVERY TECHNIQUE IS POSSIBLE TO DO. EVERYTHING DEPENDS ON THE CIRCUMSTANCES. The biggest mistake is our attitude that we will do a particular technique in a particular situation. It is not us who decide what we will do, but the energy that is sent our way, the state of our mind (at the moment) and circumstances. That's why I don't learn techniques, but movement, feeling and openness of mind. The problem with today's Aikido is to make a set of techniques out of it and imitate it mindlessly.
I plan to do another soon or later ;o) You can try old one here as well ruclips.net/video/jmvjfcI5hJo/видео.html ruclips.net/video/cPDB6JLCOHg/видео.html choukrane
in tenchinage the shihan did it because that is the perfect way to do it. hands in front of his center, hands don't go up, he made uke dependent on the lower hand so easy to drop. the other guy did all he was not supposed to do. hands on his sides, one hand ranching for the sky and he tried to step in like a clothline technique. that portion of the video is the perfect teaching tool. how to do aikido and how not to.
no me gusta cuando un maestro muestra algo el se pone duro frente a los demas, cuando el realiza una tecnica los demas son mas flexibles!! en aikido no existe el ponerse duro. el desequilibrio existe solo si hay una cierta cooperacion de uke con el nage.. sino seria imposible la practica diaria de aikido y también sino bueno que vayan a practicar otro arte marcial como tae kuondo o karate..... el aikido es diferente,.!!
not so much tense as to suggest becoming a strength battle. Of course it's impossible to move a limb without some form of muscle activation, Aikido is about learning to move as efficiently as possible to get the job done.
Nobuyoshi Tamura - is well done - I notice he plays a lot of tricks, weight and weight redirection, on Uke to prevent Ukes technique from working. Then he applies a leveraged technique, from the feet up, as from Torifune, to make his work. He NEVER shows how it is done. Egocentricity the last time I checked.
You are correct, aikido will stay katageiko: only working on aikido form and make them better . This can't and will never end in MMA like exercices. ;)
Why Tomiki Ryu laughs at all these attempts to make their aikido work... We've been doing it since the late 1950's 60's.... Avoid, break balance, technique...And working against FULL resistance.... Go figure...
good point. most modern aikido dojos "resistance" is absolutely not tolerated, the uke is from the beginning instructed to move with the technique. Result: a little bit resistance and there is total confusion. techniques.dont.work. Because there is no AIKI, the essence is missing.
Aikido is like ballet it is a beautiful martial art but one would have to be an 8th dan before they can ever win a fight and as long as it takes to become an 8th dan he would have so much grey hair.
no no no, this sensei not move nothink to show how do tecnique, his still hard don t move!! when the sensei do show tecnique the uke the studens are more flexible...mor soft!!
Basically this video shows that most western black belt hakamas dont have a clue about Aiki. Literally zero clue. They are struggling and confused. They are doing and learning "techniques", not "aiki". Reminds me of myself. ;-) Its a flaw in western aikido classes.
I see but I also see that the Shihan doesn't like being thrown so he is applying a little bit of that balance break when someone attempts to apply the technique on him...... A bit of an ego thing I think.
3AmberScorpions i Guess nobody ever passes something to tamura shihan that is true. He was direct Ueshiba uchideshi. but I Can tell you that it was à Magic feeling to receve his technique.
As for Tamura sensei, he makes the students work in kotai while he works in jutai, nothing more. Especially obvious in slow motion. He waits until he has a good grip on uke who tries to emulate a jutai work in a kotai context, no wonder it doesn't work. While he never waits uke to get a good grip, he works in jutai straight away, no wonder it works. That is only mixing two different levels of practice.
Teachers like him are very childish teachers. The students are naturally a bit shy and respectful towards their teacher, so its easy for the teacher to abuse that trust and make the technique not work.
you are most likely thinking of EGO FIGHTS such as road rage; two individuals who get angry and start attacking each other. Kids stuff. A real conflict and selfdefensing yourself, kicking and punching are not valuable and even might get you more problems. A selfdefender wants to end a fight or better stay away from a fight. and, grabbing is the most dangerous, it is used for kidnapping and dragging women and children in a car or to a dangerous location. aikido also deals with knife attacks, surely two iron mike tyson fists are of little help in a knife attack.
Very good points outlined by these great Shihans. I totally agree with Christian Tissier that if one tries to apply Aikido in the basic form it won't work because that's only for basics. If it's applied practically then it wouldn't be stylized exactly like the basics. It would be free form.
This is something that a lot of people (especially arm chair mma fans) don't seem to get.
There's no rule in Aikido that you have to keep it elegantly stylized if you're going to use it practically. The shapes don't matter.....it's the motions and principles that does.
I love watching Aikido but it was a little disappointing to learn that the uke were throwing themselves to prevent suffering a broken wrist (And maybe to also please the Sensei). Kind of takes the magic away.
bluechip17 Well if the Uke's didn't take the fall then yes they would end up with broken wrists. Aikido is about working together
MrMattias87 I understand, but why can't the Sensei apply just enough pressure to cause pain. Then the Uke can just tap his body and just dispense with the cinematic self throws?
bluechip17 Because he's teaching....and Aikido is not about causing pain...that would be Jujutsu
MrMattias87 That doesn't make a lot of sense, If Uke does not throw himself then the wrist lock would cause pain. He is teaching pain techniques. You must be a beginner.
i had the honor of , by my Teatcher's blessing, a Tamura Sensei's 7th Dan Disciple, of partcipating in a Seminar of Tamura Sensei and , i also had the honor of beeing his Uke when he demonstrated the 5 principle basics of hand gripping in tachi-waza-ikyo, nykyo, sankyo, gokyu and yonkyu wich he did with amazing perfection and only using one hand. I also had the honor of meeting him and thanking him for his teatchibg during the seminar and he also shook my hand. iI was amazed with his humbleness, elegance and perfection while explaining the Aikido techniques. May he rest in peace, i'll always remember that Seminar and of having the honor of meeting such a great human beeing an Master of Aikido. The same way, i have the same honor of beeing a disciple of my Teacher, also a Shian and a wise, extremelly warm and gentle man as a true Aikidoka in and out of the dojo. More than an Great Aikidoka, i honor him as an amazing human being. I don't write his name for respect for his privacy and humbleness but i honor him always. Hugo Duarte d'Almeida
Yes, we were blessed to have Tamura Sensei in Portugal many times. And, contrary to France, this meant only about 50 people on the mat, as opposed to 500 in France. And the same for Tissier Sensei. I was lucky to take Ukemi for both of them, in Portugal, I would likely never had had a chance to do that in France :)
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Thank you for showing these, often overlooked, really essential and underestimated aikido principles. I’m working on them hard, every lesson...
Merci pour la vidéo. Maitre Tamura était exceptionnel! J'ai récemment fait un stage avec Yamashima Shihan, je vous le recommande vivement. Paix sur vous.
thanks for your effort that repeats my word aikido is not for fast learners. it is meditation after work untill 3.rd dan
Thanks for your vid--merci beaucoup. Tamura never let anyone do a technique to him--he was a fart. Once i saw an uke do the same thing to him and he started to force and search to break the ballance with no success. He got rather irritated :D I do not block uke's flow even when uke makes mistake, like this they can use the flow to work on other aspects of the technique where they didn't make a mistake: like a continuous breath exhale for example. Tessier is honest to admit that the "forms" are "educatifs", to cultivate the right skills (des aptitudes) and not to be used martially in their educational variation, eventhough the principles are the same.
Tamura Sensei never blocked the UKE, he just wanted the person to do it right. People were often tense and therefore could not do the technique, which is understandable. He let me do techniques to him (on several different occasions), so you are simply mistaken.
I really appreciate the way you work with your uke. Domo.
"Tamura never let anyone do a technique to him--he was a fart. " That is nonsense, I met him like 10 times, and I did techniques against him.
"he just wanted the person to do it right. People were often tense and therefore could not do the technique, which is understandable. He let me do techniques to him (on several different occasions), so you are simply mistaken." Exactly!!
Tamura and Tamura student have tendencies to block . However the goal is to highlight issues usually. It is a Tamura's way of teaching. This sometime creates confusion for people used to work with flexible uke but helpfull to try to find the right way to avoid blocking. But i agree somtime bloking create steril movement when done inacuratelly. In a kata Geiko all aikidoka can block all aikidoa's . In Juwasa things are not the same ;)
Aikido is very complicated but very simple as well
He is not playing fair when is his turn to hold.
Algo más para aprender y aplicar entrenando
Bravo, belle vidéo et belle pratique!
Vidéo très instructive. Merci.
vital demo!!!!!
great video you put together. thank you very much.
Merci beaucoup from Brasil!!! Good explanation!!!
Charles Richet my pleasure
EVERY TECHNIQUE IS POSSIBLE TO DO. EVERYTHING DEPENDS ON THE CIRCUMSTANCES. The biggest mistake is our attitude that we will do a particular technique in a particular situation. It is not us who decide what we will do, but the energy that is sent our way, the state of our mind (at the moment) and circumstances. That's why I don't learn techniques, but movement, feeling and openness of mind. The problem with today's Aikido is to make a set of techniques out of it and imitate it mindlessly.
Thank you very Much from Algeria :) need more vidéo if' you don't mind thx.
I plan to do another soon or later ;o)
You can try old one here as well
ruclips.net/video/jmvjfcI5hJo/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/cPDB6JLCOHg/видео.html
choukrane
Vraiment chouette vidéo, merci
Kévin Moreau avec plaisir
Thanx a lot for this work!
p.s. link to seminar w. Tissier not good.
McS S ah correct but not my fault video has been removed from authors . Sorry
in tenchinage the shihan did it because that is the perfect way to do it. hands in front of his center, hands don't go up, he made uke dependent on the lower hand so easy to drop.
the other guy did all he was not supposed to do. hands on his sides, one hand ranching for the sky and he tried to step in like a clothline technique.
that portion of the video is the perfect teaching tool. how to do aikido and how not to.
Tamura era desonesto quando não deixava e bloqueava o movimento invés de acompanhar o movimento do nage.
Tissier: Kaiten Uchi nage [why must Atemi?] if he walk to behind, no need Atemi for to do Uchi Kaiten :)
Comment faire de l'aikido quand on fait de l'aikido ?
- En faisant de l'aikido x)
Good stuff.
no me gusta cuando un maestro muestra algo el se pone duro frente a los demas, cuando el realiza una tecnica los demas son mas flexibles!! en aikido no existe el ponerse duro. el desequilibrio existe solo si hay una cierta cooperacion de uke con el nage.. sino seria imposible la practica diaria de aikido y también sino bueno que vayan a practicar otro arte marcial como tae kuondo o karate..... el aikido es diferente,.!!
to move your limbs with your hara does that mean you need to tense your limb in places? that sounds contradictory.
afiq radzi no tension only skeleton should transfer hara power .
but to keep them in place against resistant you need to tense up your limb so it wont seperate from your hara?
not so much tense as to suggest becoming a strength battle. Of course it's impossible to move a limb without some form of muscle activation, Aikido is about learning to move as efficiently as possible to get the job done.
Nobuyoshi Tamura - is well done - I notice he plays a lot of tricks, weight and weight redirection, on Uke to prevent Ukes technique from working. Then he applies a leveraged technique, from the feet up, as from Torifune, to make his work.
He NEVER shows how it is done. Egocentricity the last time I checked.
Something does not work here: let free your hand grip and nothing of this circus will happen.
You are correct, aikido will stay katageiko: only working on aikido form and make them better . This can't and will never end in MMA like exercices. ;)
Why Tomiki Ryu laughs at all these attempts to make their aikido work... We've been doing it since the late 1950's 60's.... Avoid, break balance, technique...And working against FULL resistance.... Go figure...
good point. most modern aikido dojos "resistance" is absolutely not tolerated, the uke is from the beginning instructed to move with the technique. Result: a little bit resistance and there is total confusion. techniques.dont.work. Because there is no AIKI, the essence is missing.
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Too much words. Too much ego exhibition. Why do they have Morihei portrait backwards?
Show some respect please.
Aikido is like ballet it is a beautiful martial art but one would have to be an 8th dan before they can ever win a fight and as long as it takes to become an 8th dan he would have so much grey hair.
simply learning to fight and hurt people is not always the top priority of an Aikidoka.
Bryan Stark , I think the aim is to still look like Tissues at his age and not like Mike Tyson 😀
Tissier😀
no no no, this sensei not move nothink to show how do tecnique, his still hard don t move!! when the sensei do show tecnique the uke the studens are more flexible...mor soft!!
Basically this video shows that most western black belt hakamas dont have a clue about Aiki. Literally zero clue. They are struggling and confused. They are doing and learning "techniques", not "aiki". Reminds me of myself. ;-) Its a flaw in western aikido classes.
I see but I also see that the Shihan doesn't like being thrown so he is applying a little bit of that balance break when someone attempts to apply the technique on him...... A bit of an ego thing I think.
Hiroshi Ikea is more humble that the first Shihan. Much better Aikido as well.
3AmberScorpions i Guess nobody ever passes something to tamura shihan that is true. He was direct Ueshiba uchideshi. but I Can tell you that it was à Magic feeling to receve his technique.
Très belle vidéo... Pourriez vous l'annoter en français, s'il vous plait ?
Ouch ... c est un gros taf . Je vais y penser .
Great
Très bonne vidéo. Merci.
Michael Humbert de rien
As for Tamura sensei, he makes the students work in kotai while he works in jutai, nothing more. Especially obvious in slow motion.
He waits until he has a good grip on uke who tries to emulate a jutai work in a kotai context, no wonder it doesn't work. While he never waits uke to get a good grip, he works in jutai straight away, no wonder it works. That is only mixing two different levels of practice.
Teachers like him are very childish teachers. The students are naturally a bit shy and respectful towards their teacher, so its easy for the teacher to abuse that trust and make the technique not work.
Aikido at its best essence as fighting art
All this wrist grabbing !!!! In a street fight NO-ONE grabs your wrist !!!!!!
Of course they grab the wrist! How they can block my knife attack if they dont grab my wirst??
Aikido is useless for an street encounter generally. Unless you cross-train.
No way to ever make aikido a self defense ma . It is a budo it do not target you to become a better fighter , it target you to become a better person
you are most likely thinking of EGO FIGHTS such as road rage; two individuals who get angry and start attacking each other. Kids stuff. A real conflict and selfdefensing yourself, kicking and punching are not valuable and even might get you more problems. A selfdefender wants to end a fight or better stay away from a fight. and, grabbing is the most dangerous, it is used for kidnapping and dragging women and children in a car or to a dangerous location. aikido also deals with knife attacks, surely two iron mike tyson fists are of little help in a knife attack.