me before season 8: nope I want all my favorite characters to live f**k off me after the finale: I would've been content if it ended with the walkers killing everyone
Are we sure he’s really dead though? It would be an epic reveal if the Night King lives on with the winter and the night, and at the end of the series, when Arya or whoever almost gets the throne, he shows up and takes his rightful place.
Well... they established she ran off from the Hound and Melisandre in the library for a specific purpose, we just weren't meant to know in that moment what it was (& they by design had her offscreen and dramatic things going on with many of the others just long enough for us to kind of even forget about her). They established that not just the Night King, but all of the White Walkers were so confident in their ability to win and accomplish the goal with all the wights they didn't start coming in to the Godswood until long into the battle but they ALL came in, huddled closely together, not paying a great deal of attention to anything other than what was right in front of them, the final target being Bran. They established that a key part of the training she gained in Braavos was being able to sneak up even on someone who's a seasoned warrior (Jon at that same tree in episode 1, and that was with not any other chaos going on around them), and really just that with all of her training there, she'd become a lethal assassin (technically the 'moving quickly & quietly' training was started all the way back in season 1 with Syrio). They even established the last minute move she pulled with dropping the knife to her other hand, in the sparring match she had with Brienne last season. The did show that her presence was more or less detected by at least one of the WW, but not til it was too late. I'd be a damn liar if I told you I saw this coming, but it most definitely didn't come out of nowhere. It was justified enough for this being, after all, a fictional TV show. Forgive me but I've got a funny feeling there are a number of viewers out there who, if Jon had killed the Night King in this episode, they'd be lamenting today about this whole 'special hero' or whatever story of his ended too predictably.
A few clarifications and corrections: - To clarify, the Lannister's UNOFFICIAL motto is "A Lannister always pays their debts." The real one is "Hear me roar"...which is lame. I figured I didn't need to specify the difference in the script, but some comments felt it was an important distinction. - The Lannisters don't actually kill Jon Arryn; it's actually his wife Lysa and Littlefinger. I TOTALLY forgot that bit. Let's face it, though...it's totally a move they WOULD do :) - Joffrey's death is a joint effort by both Littlefinger and Olenna. Olenna gets the awesome reveal monologue in season 7, but Littlefinger helps makes it happen because of Catelyn's death...and because he's a manipulative son-of-a-gun. - Yes, Arya reclaims her name before leaving the Faceless Men, but there's a big point in that quest about becoming someone else. The overall point is that ALL the remaining Stark children are no longer acting like Starks...and that's when they start regaining control over their lives.
Good job noticing the little tidbits XD. Also just wanted to say you did convince me that this could be a possible ending. And even with the spinoffs, they are going to most likely not even involve any of the characters we've seen throughout this show so I think this IS possible. Wouldn't be my pick for the ending but it might happen.
Fuck man I’d really hate for him to be right but it totally makes sense. UNLESS Bran can like alter time or some shit, I really think we’re facing the white walker ending...
I like matt's ending way better, it's both weird and sad, not to mention disappointing that all it took to end the biggest threat in the entire GOT series was arya jumping out of nowhere and stabbing the night king once.
She's not, tho. She's Arya Stark, not a Faceless (wo)Man. No one would have stayed in Braavos serving the One God, a girl went back to Westeros to finish off her list
I actually don't mind Arya killing the Night King, but how the hell she get past all his guards, as well as a dozen or so of undead creatures at his side.
@@shadowgodthegamer5738 tbf the actual ending hasn't actually happened yet. The TV Show got made while the series was still unfinished knowing it wouldn't be done in time for an actual ending.
it didn't matter that Cersei didn't join the battle, it didn't matter that they lost the battle, it didn't matter what the night kings motivations were, the spiral symbols didn't matter, the dragon glass didn't matter, the dragons didn't matter, because Arya is sneaky and has a valerian steel knife
Well actually if you did some research you would know that the spirals were meant to symbolise a weirwood tree, and a clue as to how to kill the night king. He had to be killed in front a the tree he was created by. Only with a dragonglass blade, stabbed in the same place he was stabbed to begin with. It made perfect sense.
@@sharinschwan4353 we all know they mean blasphemy thanks to D&Ds post production exposition, I'm saying no one cares, because why should we take offense from the night king when he is murdering everyone using their undead relatives
Nothing much mattered. Jons parentage? ! The prophecy? ! You know what I'm not gunna do this again last time I sat here and before I knew it I listed hundreds of things and everyone by now knows all the bullshit. No one needs to read a huge ass comment me listing it all....like I have before....
there is no danger as long as they stay away from them. Stannis actively made everything ten times worse. if he bent the knee to Renly, Tyrion loses his head. Tyrion cant suggest the stupid ass wight hunt. Viserion gets to live. Dany defeats Renly and takes the Iron Throne.
God Emperor of Mankind 3.0 what i thought too they couldve just not mind them how can the NK break the wall without the dragon? Becuase in the books there was the horn of winter??? I forgot the name but it wasnt introduced at all in the show sooo how can they break the wall without viseryon?
The white walkers remind me of white people. And the humans in the show remind me of the brown and black people. White people overpowering others. Lol idk how I thought of this but it is some racist shit.
Cersei's idea of dealing with the white walkers after they kill the Northerners is so dumb because the knight king will just revive the Northerners and send an even bigger army to Westeros.
I think she hopes that Jon and the Northeners and their allies defeat the Night King and she can fight their weakend army and if they cant defeat them, her armys won't make a difference (not that i agree, she is 100 % stupid)
It's completely in-character for Cersei, though: this character's story has been a long tale of one insanely bad idea after another. I think they've been more or less telegraphing the likelihood that Cersei plans to deal with the Night King by trying to blow up King's Landing with wildfire, like the Mad King before her had planned, and if that plan sounds crazy, it should: Cersei has been played up as the female counterpart of the Mad King all along, after all (and according to some fan theories, Cersei and Jaime actually are the Mad King's children by way of the Mad King raping Tywin's wife on her wedding night; if there's anything to that theory, then Cersei seems to have inherited her real father's madness....)
Cersei's an idiot that, by rights, never should have lived this long. She constantly sabotages herself out of spite and remains willfully ignorant of any threat to her power because she thinks she commands respect. People might be afraid of Cersei's temper tantrums, but she doesn't command fear or respect in the same way her father did. Tywin was a brilliant man that was respected and feared because of his tactical brilliance and the fact that he was responsible for making house Lannister the real power in Westeros. HIs only real failing was his hatred for Tyrion, who's own intellect would have made him exactly the son Tywin always wanted if his birth hadn't killed Tywin's wife and he hadn't been born a dwarf. Cersei babies her kids and spoiled Joffrey to the point that he believed he was owed respect he never earned and left Tommen completely blind to the people trying to use him. Hell, Tywin's entire reason for not giving Cersei more power was because she was an idiot. "I don't distrust you because you're a woman. I distrust you because you're not as smart as you think you are." That sums up Cersei perfectly. She's too stupid and short sighted to be the real power behind the throne or to sit on it. She's survived as long as she has only because the plot demands it.
Or, at least, that's what Liza though was the reason - Liza thought she meant something to Littlefinger, but whether she knew it or not, she actually had her husband killed just to serve Littlefinger's schemes, as one of his many insignificant and completely disposable pawns.
Littlefinger put in motion the death of Jon Arryn under commands/as a “favor” for Lannister’s. Just as he does for some many major incidents. Lannister don’t get there hands dirty when they don’t have to and they can get other to do it for them. Once more they are always good for it cuz a “A Lannister always pays his debts”. Hence it’s good to help them and they can manipulate things behind the shadows subsequently not be directly blamed for it. Also Tywin was in on the Death of Jeoffy.
There is a lot of evidence in the books. Also multiple videos in which they explain that “Tywin Lannister is the Machiavelli” of Westeros, And has a hand behind the scene in orchestrating much the important events that be just so happens to benefit from. I.e. The Red Wedding.
has no sense of self literally know everything that ever happened knows what hasn't worked and what has and can consolidate those ideas into times of peace for westeros and people were still mad that Jon didn't take the throne
@@sebastiansantana2447 Knew that Dany would burn a million people alive, made no effort to stop it. Said he couldn't be a king or lord, travels to kings landing to be a king Does nothing the entire time, summer dies he doesn't care. He has no empathy. Jon may not be king, but he shouldn't be cast out to do nothing on a holey wall that guards nothing. I'm just pissed at the amount of plot points that were ignored, like for some what was the point of revealing jons identity, what was the point of varys dying over it, why have so much tension between the nk and jon only to have them never fight. Like I'm fine with arya killing him, but I'd rather it be jon fighting the nk, he's losing and then arya sneaks up and kills the nk to save him, and have like a brother sister moment where jon realises kind of what she is and is proud of her.
what makes me so angry about season 8 is that they threw it all away, the actions and its consequences doesn’t matter now, the complex universe grrm created was transformed into a nonsense show and yeah the production is incredible but i’d rather have season’s 1 production with a good plot
It's only nonsense if you don't feverishly masturbate until you bleed every time cersei starts rambling about bullshit on screen. The show's writers and a good chunk of the fans do, and so now instead of the story we've been promised for eleven years, we get a bitch-fight over sittin' in a chair. But it's still supposed to be epic, so characters can't die unless it's in a _completely_ bullshit way.
Agreed. I lost interest pretty early on. I could follow the plot even without paying attention to the show. It had potential but went downhill really fast.
I'm gonna add to Ben's mention and say that it doesn't have to be so black and white. There are still a ton of possibilities: 1. Everyone could die 2. All of the people with pride/fighters could die, leaving the meek (white walkers die from stabbing ice king), humans die of mortal wounds in battle and disease. 3. Everyone except the greyjoys die, because he goes back to his island w/ his ships and keep theon's sister. Waiting it out before everyone dies. 4. Cerise wins, because she is the most evil and willing to sacrifice everything to keep the power. She backstabs them after they take out the dragons and lets the rest of the humans die. 5. Sam and his family are the only one who survives, because they are the only ones who live after the war who also have knowledge of dragon glass. 6. etc etc etc
The fact that GOT held such a large place in pop culture for so long and then just screwed the pooch soooo bad at the end that it dissolved that immediately.
Well, the kings moot is the election of the king, by the local aristocracy. The closest real life example is the emperor of the holy roman empire, who was elected for life, and held unchecked power, elected by an easily bribed aristocracy. This means that elective monarchies, often lead to hereditary ones (the theocratic elective monarchy of the former papal states is the only example where this didn't happen, because there was no family to pass power to). The only "democracies" in the world of ice and fire, are the governments of the slaving cities, whereby citizens periodically elect a triarchy to rule over them.
ILove Knawledge no no I think the Night king should have won, or been used more than he was. Just the fact the theory can’t be possible anymore, that I say it hasn’t aged well.
@@dhughesy2023 People thought the White Walkers would wipe out humanity. Wrong - the Children of the Forest will have that honor, thanks to their weapon the Three Eyed Raven. The whole Game of Thrones was manipulated by The Raven, all to set up his assassination attempt on the Night King, his only true equal and rival. Three Eyed Raven wipes out all Human Life without his only opposition, and the Children of the Forest re-take Westeros
Plot twist: At the very last moment, when all seems lost... a beam of light will shine down from the heavens, people will gaze in awe at the spectacular sight, some claiming it’s the lord of light, when none other than Thor himself, along with rocket and groot, appear in a shroud of glory to defend the realms of men.
Parker Brantley I have never even watched a single second of Game of Thrones, yet I can agree. It’s probably more shocking I was able to understand anything in this theory at all...
Or, perhaps: "valar dohaeris". In a way, both phrases mean the same thing. We've been told many times that Death is the many-faced god, and we've seen many of death's less obvious faces in the form of metaphors for death: becoming No One has been a recurring theme in more stories than just Arya's, for example. The death of first Theon, then Reek in Theon's story arc toward redemption is another example. In Jon Snow's story arc, Jon is told to "kill the boy" so that the man may live, shortly before Jon was stabbed in the heart. A part of Sansa died when her dire wolf Lady was executed, and a part of Bran died with his dire wolf and with Hodor beneath the Three-Eyed Raven's Weirwood Tree. And that's just the beginning: almost all of the show's surviving main characters have figuratively died in one way or another, and the rest must either join them in "bending the knee" to a figurative death, or die in a more literal sense, before the series ends. I think it's a safe bet that all the characters will end up "dead" before the series ends... I also have a feeling not everyone will realize it when that happens, or be happy with the fact that in this series, "death" has countless, subtle faces that are not always as easily recognizable as a beheading or poisoning....
@@pietrayday9915 either way the phrase perfectly captures what matpat is trying to convey, the fates of the choices of the characters within the series. All men must die so that Westeros may return to balance.
I personally really do like the idea that the white walkers sweep down Westeros, annihilate the human institutions, and claim the iron throne. Remember that the walkers were made to reclaim the world for the Forest Children. The Forest children paid the cost for their lust for power and suffered for their pride because of it. I like the idea of the walkers accomplishing their mission and simply fading away, the final debt paid in full. Bran and the survivors in the north would rebuild and keep worship of the old gods, worshiping the heart trees and becoming like the Forest Children at the beginning. And when people from Essos come to claim the "abandoned" continent and destroy the heart trees, Bran's descendants will unleash the white walkers again, restarting the cycle.
@@Corvaric True. And the magic that changed the Night King was never really shown to be a contract of any kind, just a magic transformation. I just like the idea of winter being unstoppable, but ultimately making way for spring. But also being inevitable as the seasons shift from spring to summer to fall. I also put my wager on Bran surviving because his group is the only one that never focused on the game of thrones where "you win or you die". And his group would be the only one that would believably turn to the same magic as the Forest Children and restart the cycle.
Daniel Sambar noooooooooooo This would be the worst end ever everything we are emotionally invested in all false i would rather die Sorry form my bad English it’s not my first language
you know what, his theory was technically right. He thought the ending was going to not be what the audience expected and would probably change from the normal tone of the show. So you know what, good on you Mat. you did great!
The white walkers should win, the spin off show should be about how the WW civilization progresses. They become a spacefaring civilization and start destroying galaxies. I shouldn't be awake till 2 AM
SPOILER ALERT Well Matpat I guess that Night kings pride got the best of him this time. Edit:Oml Ive never had this many likes before or any replys lmao thank you alll.
He wasn't proud, he was completely unintelligent. And I say unintelligent because saying he's dumb would actually attribute some level of intelligence to him.
Well after season 8 episode 3 we can rule this theory out the window (just like bran) Edit: Please sub to my channel or I'll delete your hbo subscription.
Aria killed the Night King. Now she will become him. It is Trojan horse. She will try to hide it and fight it at first. But... My prediction: The two up coming episodes will be full of treachery - Daenerys killing John and similar. Every character will show the worst of him, the worst egoism ever. At the end - Aria will be completely devastated and will stop fighting with the darkness inside of her. She will revenge, kill Daenerys and the other and will rule with the dark powers of the Night King.
you are wrong because... arya and a weapon forged with dragon fire can kill the night king because of dragon fire... but.. uh, dragon fire cant kill him.. because its just.. um.. dragon fire?
Dev Last name I’m assuming by obsidian you do mean dragon glass since they look similar and obsidian doesn’t exist as far as we know in GOT. Valyrian steel I believe is steel and dragon glass forged together with dragon fire.
Pod is Tyrion’s squire littlefinger thought that like other men Pod would start talking in bed about Tyrion. So Pod didn’t do anything LF just did this to get information about Tyrion.
I was thinking the same thing,Danny is no hero or Queen.. except for the slaves she freed from the Masters,I strongly believe she's crazy like her father
@@martinacosta3821 snow is the name given to people that are born as bastards. It's a way of removing the last name from them as an insult and to let people immediately know that they are not true blood for the throne or the house.
If so then what kind of message is George sending to us. That the world is ending so either sit and die or fight and die? I’ve just watched the first episode of the season and have a feeling it’s going to end up pulling the best out of our characters and those who survive hopefully will help recreate Westeros into a better kingdom then the one their in, even if things aren’t better by the end.
Where's the Vale? Also, Jon Arryn was killed by Lysa, manipulated by Littlefinger, not by the Lannister. And Lannister motto is "Hear me roar". The other one isn't an official motto, just a saying about this House. Not to mention Ned was never prideful. He was just too honourable for his own good.
Ned took a great deal of pride in his honour. A less prideful man would have questioned following his honour to his grave the way he did. Pride cometh before a fall. It was literally his greatest sin. A good man, sometimes merciful. Just. Kind. Faithful. ...And prideful.
The best chance to ever see the last two books would be to kill George RR Martin. This way the people he trusts will finish the books as best as they can. Those are his requests should he die beforehand
@@festethephule7553 well let's see. kills off probably 50% of the characters. Some of those characters get resurrected, and the final battle looks hopeless. And I'm sure the book readers (me included) will be grateful when they are all out
Two things my dude Baelish poisoned Jon Arryn via Lyssa who blamed the Lannister’s Olenna poisoned Joffrey via Sansas necklace You’re the research king my man, double check that work
I actually think this would’ve been the definitive ending. Everyone dies and no one gets to rule over Westeros. Game of Thrones isn’t the story of how good guys win, it’s the story of how good guys lose due to their failure to confront the harsh truths right in front of them. The people of Westeros put too much value on the things that only serve to distract them, that’s what the iron thrones represents.
The words and the motto are the same thing. When Bran was studying the houses and gets to the Westmen: Bran Stark states "Sigil, a lion, words, a Lannister always pays their debts". He is corrected by Maester stating that "No, a common saying, but not their official motto". The house words are their official motto. This is clearly stated in the first season.
Yes but what MatPat said was her rejection of the Stark house identity, rather this is her name and her place of origin, she did not say Arya of House Stark, just Arya Stark of Winterfel.
I always liked The Hound, he was a complicated character, him taking down his brother was bitter sweet but I'm glad they kept him around for that, unlike in the book where they killed him off.
Sudip Bose I'd love the show to end badly: massive genocide of the human race by the White Walkers. That would be so freakin awesome compared to whatever good ending...
the irony of "isnt it more important to protect your people than your pride" is powerful coming from Dany. Jon knows he's the true ruler of Westeros now, Let's see if she's humble enough to do the same for Jon.
Well she put a hold to her entire campaign, risking her dragons and armies, to help in the North (even before Jon Snow bended the knee). She could have gone through with fighting Cercei easily, even without Northern allies, but she chose to help fight the army of the dead instead of hunting after what she believes should be her throne. So yeah she kinda is making it more important to protect her people than to go after her own pride
Plus she stayed in Mereen until it the situation was stable enough and installing a decent protection so that her people would not fall back into the old system of slavery again, again protecting her own people first
Well yeah, Sam asks Jon exactly that at the end of the episode. As for what @@ashg7219 is saying, it would technically be more beneficial for Jon, sorry, Aegon to marry Cersei. A Stark raised Targaryen King and a Lannister Queen fixes every single political problem all at once.
@@ashg7219 If we're talking objectively about blood, I think its better to stick by the term "rightful" what they decide to do with marriage is up to them. For all intents and purposes he is Righteous in his claim now.
Exactly :D the first episode of the final season looks suspiciously like the first episode of the first season thanks to all sorts of deliberate call-backs to the very first episode, and I don't think that the show-runners did that randomly. Just as S1E1 was the start of seven seasons of rather dark plot twists mixed with some lighter material like acts of heroism, tearful reunions, daring rescues and escapes, and so on, we can expect S7E1 to be the start of one final season of more of the same: dark plot twists mixed with some lighter material, leading up to what the show runners promise will be a "bittersweet ending" - which sounds about right to me, if I'm reading the foreshadowing in the series right. Something tells me this last season is going to get darker before it gets any more "TV friendly", and the final episode is going to be anything but a completely happy ending.
After 7 seasons of buildup, I'm glad the antagonist died from a stab wound from a 4 foot tall girl Who actually wanted to see a battle between Jon and the night king? I know I didn't.
When it came to the White Walker threat, one of my favorite moments came from Davos Seaworth. When he tells Denaerys, "If we do not put aside our enmities and band together we will all die. Then it doesn't matter whose skeleton sits on the Iron Throne". (Spoiler) Shame the Night King and White Walkers got offed just 3 eps in. Would have been better if they remained the final big bad of this story instead of Cersei/Dany...
hes wrong. because if they had just ignored the threat, theyd still be trapped north of the Wall. if the Wall is useless, the NK would have gone past it months before that scene. but he hadnt.
watching this in 2024, still waiting for the final books to be released... the theory that the show ending was unsatisfying on purpose so that people would still read the books for a different ending is actually genius
before watching the latest episode and even watching this video, I always wanted the ending to be this, for the exact same reasons you brought up. never have I ever seen my opinion/feelings explained in such a proper video essay ahaha
So for what it's worth, I just saw this video for the first time, and this is almost point for point the *exact* argument I made when season 8 first premiered and why I gave up after s8e3. I was incredibly about how the NK was so easily dispatched and the entailed rejection of the overarching story. Somehow, the series finale actually made it worse, but maybe it was only worse because it solidified the problem with the NK's defeat--the continuation of institutions and the complete disregard for the price you pay when you try to play the game of thrones. I hope Martin thinks through his story more clearly than D&D did, and I hope he has the guts to tell the story the way it has been telling itself all this time.
@5:20 “they understand the cost of things!” - in context, that makes so much sense when Cersei told Tyrion, “It doesn’t matter anymore. Your love doesn’t matter, your feelings don’t matter. I don’t care why you did what you did. I only care what it COST us. It cost us our future, our family!“ 😮
“A Lannister Always Pays His Debts” is not the House motto. That’s “Hear Me Roar”. It’s just a common phrase, as Maester Luwin says to Bran in season 2 (I think)
Hear me Roar are the house words, A Lannister always pays his debts is a motto, they were very careful in the video to make that distinction so they are not wrong
9:38 “nobody is really advocating for democracy” _Samwell Tarly would like to know your location_
Well, the video was made before the finally, and also what said Ari is true :)
You know which house follows democracy the Greyjoys but Yara didn’t say anything or say anything again about the independence Daenerys promised.
As I learned in one medieval text adventure game where a character suggested democracy, change takes time.
@@shefain2357 i was so pissed at that point cuz like bruh The greyjoys use both a democracy and a monarchy at the same time and she did to say a thing
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me before season 8: nope I want all my favorite characters to live f**k off
me after the finale: I would've been content if it ended with the walkers killing everyone
Same mate. Same.
Yes
I came into the coments to type the exact same 😂
Lmao I agree so much with that
I get you
“How it should end
Not how it will”
Ya got that right
It's fucking disappointing
I loved the Arya fight
Magic Squirrel think about how shitty of an ending that would of been. Our main characters (who ever is left) should have to live with their failures.
Tyrion: I drink and I know things
Daenerys: stops Tyrion from drinking
Tyrion: no longer knows things
You are a man of culture
So true!
There we have it! You solved it!
@@abraham2172 yes, or maybe he just puked out all those knowledge when he landed in *Volantis in S05.*
@@daredevil6145 Lmao. I noticed he didnt read a single book since the earliest episodes, thats another possibility.
Great theory...it'd be a shame if Arya were to come out of nowhere and ruin it....
Yeppp... saddening
Matt patt's theory is the night king
With "ruin it" you were referring to the whole fucking series right?
Are we sure he’s really dead though? It would be an epic reveal if the Night King lives on with the winter and the night, and at the end of the series, when Arya or whoever almost gets the throne, he shows up and takes his rightful place.
Well... they established she ran off from the Hound and Melisandre in the library for a specific purpose, we just weren't meant to know in that moment what it was (& they by design had her offscreen and dramatic things going on with many of the others just long enough for us to kind of even forget about her). They established that not just the Night King, but all of the White Walkers were so confident in their ability to win and accomplish the goal with all the wights they didn't start coming in to the Godswood until long into the battle but they ALL came in, huddled closely together, not paying a great deal of attention to anything other than what was right in front of them, the final target being Bran. They established that a key part of the training she gained in Braavos was being able to sneak up even on someone who's a seasoned warrior (Jon at that same tree in episode 1, and that was with not any other chaos going on around them), and really just that with all of her training there, she'd become a lethal assassin (technically the 'moving quickly & quietly' training was started all the way back in season 1 with Syrio). They even established the last minute move she pulled with dropping the knife to her other hand, in the sparring match she had with Brienne last season. The did show that her presence was more or less detected by at least one of the WW, but not til it was too late.
I'd be a damn liar if I told you I saw this coming, but it most definitely didn't come out of nowhere. It was justified enough for this being, after all, a fictional TV show.
Forgive me but I've got a funny feeling there are a number of viewers out there who, if Jon had killed the Night King in this episode, they'd be lamenting today about this whole 'special hero' or whatever story of his ended too predictably.
Who deserves to win Westeros? "No one". - Matt Patt
So Arya Stark wins.
This needs more likes!
funny
Yup
A girl is not no one. A girl is Arya Stark of Winterfell.
@@waldofound8212 A girl is not no one if a girl is Arya Stark. A man forgets the rules of the red god. A man owes a debt. A man owes a death.
A few clarifications and corrections:
- To clarify, the Lannister's UNOFFICIAL motto is "A Lannister always pays their debts." The real one is "Hear me roar"...which is lame. I figured I didn't need to specify the difference in the script, but some comments felt it was an important distinction.
- The Lannisters don't actually kill Jon Arryn; it's actually his wife Lysa and Littlefinger. I TOTALLY forgot that bit. Let's face it, though...it's totally a move they WOULD do :)
- Joffrey's death is a joint effort by both Littlefinger and Olenna. Olenna gets the awesome reveal monologue in season 7, but Littlefinger helps makes it happen because of Catelyn's death...and because he's a manipulative son-of-a-gun.
- Yes, Arya reclaims her name before leaving the Faceless Men, but there's a big point in that quest about becoming someone else. The overall point is that ALL the remaining Stark children are no longer acting like Starks...and that's when they start regaining control over their lives.
This last bullet confuses me XD don't remember his part at all
The Film Theorists “something they would do”
Great explanation Mat
Also “Hear me roar...” is really lame
ello. i just wanted to be the 3rd to comment, out of the many who soon will
;w;
Good job noticing the little tidbits XD.
Also just wanted to say you did convince me that this could be a possible ending. And even with the spinoffs, they are going to most likely not even involve any of the characters we've seen throughout this show so I think this IS possible.
Wouldn't be my pick for the ending but it might happen.
Fuck man I’d really hate for him to be right but it totally makes sense. UNLESS Bran can like alter time or some shit, I really think we’re facing the white walker ending...
'The real threat'
*laughs in S8E5*
That was a tragedy amirite
Most important part of the series..
Ended in two seconds..
Ikr
1 episode for the “ biggest problem”
everyone: the whitewalkers are the real threat
DnD: no dont worry about them theyre all dead..see. Now back to fighting for the chair
The spin off is actually going to be a prequel so... they *might* just kill everyone
!hyoe
They're doing Dunk n egg right? It should go better as those books are finished.
I hope they have the balls
Armendicus they’re doing age of heroes
I kinda hope they do.
So you spent the whole video setting up the White Walkers as the big threat.
Don’t worry, so did everyone else.
he just did what the show did, with a better ending.
Not everyone. Especially not D&D.
I like matt's ending way better, it's both weird and sad, not to mention disappointing that all it took to end the biggest threat in the entire GOT series was arya jumping out of nowhere and stabbing the night king once.
Well, if you think about it, it was planned from the beginning
The series didn't end yet. But whilst cool, it is unsettling that's all it took, albeit after a only a few hours, to end a centuries old threat.
thecrash987654321 running past an army an vaulting like 15 feet without any problems was sooo planned
@@joeyy2baked669 i meant the arya part 😂😂.
But what happened in the recent episode to me really doesn't make sense so i actually agree ☺☺☺
@@thecrash987654321 Nope. It wasn't planned. It was decided pretty last-minute by the producers of the show because she became a fan-favourite.
Matt: “no one” will win
Arya: a girl is no one
That is fucking brilliant. ROFLMAO
he wasnt guessing on what would happen he was saying what shouldve happened
😂😂😂
Bro this is so smart my brain hurts, the wordplay is exquisite. Cheers have a cookie🍪
She's not, tho. She's Arya Stark, not a Faceless (wo)Man. No one would have stayed in Braavos serving the One God, a girl went back to Westeros to finish off her list
This is a better story than either of the directors can come up with.
Too bad Arya is so sneaky
Showrunners*
Miguel Sapochnik doesn't have the fault that D&D are fucking morons.
More like “too bad Arya has plot armor”
True of pretty much every fan theory
I actually don't mind Arya killing the Night King, but how the hell she get past all his guards, as well as a dozen or so of undead creatures at his side.
less sneaky and more just kind of jumped at him in front of everyone
After season 8 episode 3
Matpat: *looks at this theory* Look how they massacred my boy
not a prediction though. He pretty much said he didn't believe it would end like this.
Well he wasn’t wrong about how nobody sits on the iron throne :D
Well at least MatPat never ate any pies
@@milkncoffee04 didn't Bran sat on the throne... A wheelchair throne?
Honestly I like mattpat's ending more.
Not like their was a challenge
Who doesn't?
Compared to the actual ending. Any alternatives take the win
@@shadowgodthegamer5738 tbf the actual ending hasn't actually happened yet. The TV Show got made while the series was still unfinished knowing it wouldn't be done in time for an actual ending.
@@KennethSpensley1208 looks like it’s mannis time for a song of ice and fire
Honestly, I think your ending is better than the real one.
I agree, but almost ANY ending would be better then the real one
I dont know if the real Endung was Bad, or it was build bafly
@@ofekcohen7147 honestly saying that a random sucker nuked them all would be great.
That's not a compliment.. Like.. Almost Anything is better then what we got..
it didn't matter that Cersei didn't join the battle, it didn't matter that they lost the battle, it didn't matter what the night kings motivations were, the spiral symbols didn't matter, the dragon glass didn't matter, the dragons didn't matter, because Arya is sneaky and has a valerian steel knife
Everything played a role for Arya to fulfill the mission! Weren't you paying attention??
What played a role, her training, the knife? She didn't even need a prophecy because she could have done that without Melisandre
Well actually if you did some research you would know that the spirals were meant to symbolise a weirwood tree, and a clue as to how to kill the night king. He had to be killed in front a the tree he was created by. Only with a dragonglass blade, stabbed in the same place he was stabbed to begin with. It made perfect sense.
@@sharinschwan4353 we all know they mean blasphemy thanks to D&Ds post production exposition, I'm saying no one cares, because why should we take offense from the night king when he is murdering everyone using their undead relatives
Nothing much mattered. Jons parentage? ! The prophecy? ! You know what I'm not gunna do this again last time I sat here and before I knew it I listed hundreds of things and everyone by now knows all the bullshit. No one needs to read a huge ass comment me listing it all....like I have before....
Stannis did recognized the danger behind the wall. He was the only one, but he lost his mind and cooked his only child (thx Melisandra).
there is no danger as long as they stay away from them.
Stannis actively made everything ten times worse. if he bent the knee to Renly, Tyrion loses his head. Tyrion cant suggest the stupid ass wight hunt. Viserion gets to live. Dany defeats Renly and takes the Iron Throne.
God Emperor of Mankind 3.0 what i thought too they couldve just not mind them how can the NK break the wall without the dragon? Becuase in the books there was the horn of winter??? I forgot the name but it wasnt introduced at all in the show sooo how can they break the wall without viseryon?
Dumb&Dumber fucked Stannis, he's not stupid like this in the books
Beric: "Death is the enemy. The first enemy and the last."
Jon: "But we all die."
Beric: "The enemy always wins."
Unless you have main character hacks
@@theonlychickensama8353 Ironic isn't it, that the 2 people talking in that scene have both cheated death.
@@JosephCartoons No. Because the point is, even people that manage to cheat death, can only cheat it so many times.
@@seighartmercury Cheat it all you want you die eventually. There is no such thing as living forever yet and even that won't keep you invulnerable.
-"Nobody is really advocating for democracy in westeros"
Samwell Tarly would like a word with you..
Film theory uploads GoT video:
"And now my watch begins..."
Graeme M Brother.
nice
*Watches too*
When I finish watching the vid:
"...and now my watch as ended! :( "
And now my commenting begins
Westeros: *exists*
Whitewalkers: Hippity hoppity this is now our property
The children of the forest created the whites so, maybe the children are just reclaiming their lands
God damn white slavers! ;D
@@aturtlethatisred they did not seem too happy, about how things where going...
Hippity hoppity you're okran's property!
The white walkers remind me of white people. And the humans in the show remind me of the brown and black people. White people overpowering others. Lol idk how I thought of this but it is some racist shit.
Cersei's idea of dealing with the white walkers after they kill the Northerners is so dumb because the knight king will just revive the Northerners and send an even bigger army to Westeros.
Yeah. I don't think Cersie understands the mechanics of an undead army
I think she hopes that Jon and the Northeners and their allies defeat the Night King and she can fight their weakend army and if they cant defeat them, her armys won't make a difference (not that i agree, she is 100 % stupid)
Also I'm pretty sure they're already in Westeros, they're heading south to kings landing if the battle for winterfell is lost.
It's completely in-character for Cersei, though: this character's story has been a long tale of one insanely bad idea after another. I think they've been more or less telegraphing the likelihood that Cersei plans to deal with the Night King by trying to blow up King's Landing with wildfire, like the Mad King before her had planned, and if that plan sounds crazy, it should: Cersei has been played up as the female counterpart of the Mad King all along, after all (and according to some fan theories, Cersei and Jaime actually are the Mad King's children by way of the Mad King raping Tywin's wife on her wedding night; if there's anything to that theory, then Cersei seems to have inherited her real father's madness....)
Cersei's an idiot that, by rights, never should have lived this long. She constantly sabotages herself out of spite and remains willfully ignorant of any threat to her power because she thinks she commands respect. People might be afraid of Cersei's temper tantrums, but she doesn't command fear or respect in the same way her father did. Tywin was a brilliant man that was respected and feared because of his tactical brilliance and the fact that he was responsible for making house Lannister the real power in Westeros. HIs only real failing was his hatred for Tyrion, who's own intellect would have made him exactly the son Tywin always wanted if his birth hadn't killed Tywin's wife and he hadn't been born a dwarf. Cersei babies her kids and spoiled Joffrey to the point that he believed he was owed respect he never earned and left Tommen completely blind to the people trying to use him. Hell, Tywin's entire reason for not giving Cersei more power was because she was an idiot. "I don't distrust you because you're a woman. I distrust you because you're not as smart as you think you are." That sums up Cersei perfectly. She's too stupid and short sighted to be the real power behind the throne or to sit on it. She's survived as long as she has only because the plot demands it.
MatPat: "The White-Walkers should win."
D&D: We'll take Stark plot armor for 300.
It was very effective.
Technically Arya is also unkillable in the books due to her being the Author Wife's Favorite.
But they didn't kill Jon Arryn. Liza Aaron had him killed so that she could be with little finger
Yep. Thank you.
Or, at least, that's what Liza though was the reason - Liza thought she meant something to Littlefinger, but whether she knew it or not, she actually had her husband killed just to serve Littlefinger's schemes, as one of his many insignificant and completely disposable pawns.
@@pietrayday9915 Yes, but the Lannisters still had no idea what was going on.
Thats what i was about to say 😄
Same @@ecbo24
“For the night is dark and full of theories”
I want that on a t-shirt
what size do you need?
The Lannisters didn't kill Jon Arryn. Lysa did, because Littlefinger told her to
Matt's missed that😆
Littlefinger put in motion the death of Jon Arryn under commands/as a “favor” for Lannister’s. Just as he does for some many major incidents. Lannister don’t get there hands dirty when they don’t have to and they can get other to do it for them. Once more they are always good for it cuz a “A Lannister always pays his debts”. Hence it’s good to help them and they can manipulate things behind the shadows subsequently not be directly blamed for it. Also Tywin was in on the Death of Jeoffy.
@@achillesnietzsche8168 How do you know that Tywin was in on that? He seems to gain everything from his death, but it seems far fetched.
There is a lot of evidence in the books. Also multiple videos in which they explain that “Tywin Lannister is the Machiavelli” of Westeros, And has a hand behind the scene in orchestrating much the important events that be just so happens to benefit from. I.e. The Red Wedding.
Also Tywin met with and spent I good amount of time with Olena Tyrell b4 and as the purple wedding was happening.
"they're all too self-interested
too *short-sighted*
too ethically compromised"
*laughs in bran*
has no sense of self
literally know everything that ever happened
knows what hasn't worked and what has and can consolidate those ideas into times of peace for westeros
and people were still mad that Jon didn't take the throne
@@sebastiansantana2447 Knew that Dany would burn a million people alive, made no effort to stop it.
Said he couldn't be a king or lord, travels to kings landing to be a king
Does nothing the entire time, summer dies he doesn't care. He has no empathy.
Jon may not be king, but he shouldn't be cast out to do nothing on a holey wall that guards nothing. I'm just pissed at the amount of plot points that were ignored, like for some what was the point of revealing jons identity, what was the point of varys dying over it, why have so much tension between the nk and jon only to have them never fight. Like I'm fine with arya killing him, but I'd rather it be jon fighting the nk, he's losing and then arya sneaks up and kills the nk to save him, and have like a brother sister moment where jon realises kind of what she is and is proud of her.
PLOT TWIST: the camera battery dies at the end
No, in true Monty Python fashion they all get arrested.
Spoiler so the ending to The Sopranos.
oh woooooowwwwww
Carp With Milk I swear I’ll find you if that happens lol
Just like The Sopranos
5:32 Actually, no, they don't poison Jon Arryn. Petyr Baelish and Lysa Arryn poison him.
Daniel Allen thank you!
@@adrianawiederman You're welcome. I'm a little ocd about details like that when it comes to my favourite franchises
Plus Littlefinger didn't poison brat king it was old sassy who did that.
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
@@CM-yz4sz They conspired to poison him together, Olenna was just there at the time
what makes me so angry about season 8 is that they threw it all away, the actions and its consequences doesn’t matter now, the complex universe grrm created was transformed into a nonsense show and yeah the production is incredible but i’d rather have season’s 1 production with a good plot
It's only nonsense if you don't feverishly masturbate until you bleed every time cersei starts rambling about bullshit on screen.
The show's writers and a good chunk of the fans do, and so now instead of the story we've been promised for eleven years, we get a bitch-fight over sittin' in a chair. But it's still supposed to be epic, so characters can't die unless it's in a _completely_ bullshit way.
Agreed. I lost interest pretty early on. I could follow the plot even without paying attention to the show. It had potential but went downhill really fast.
Poor poor poor guy, I can't imagine how heartbroken this guy was watching the last episode of season 8
I guess you could say Tommen really did make it...*puts on shades* Kings Landing.
Fable Owl88 the exit is over there 👉🏼
You are a year too late my friend.
And I guess in the pilot Bran really did make it...*puts on shades* WinterFELL.
(my version was so bad I'm SO SORRY!)
@@niamhydoo urs is better lol
Fable Owl88 R'hllor help us
So,
“How Game of Thrones should’ve ended”
Hishe: WHAT?
Matpat: I'll just make a got HISHE video
Thanos: I'll just commit universal level genocide.
The avengers and HISHE: Whatever it takes
f2p trickstabber
Captain America: I am Steve Rogers.
Drax: I'll do you one better... Why is Gamora?
@@awpher9239 Iron Man: I am Iron Man
@@awpher9239 I'M MARY POPPINS Y'ALL
Aren't we getting prequels. So, "White Walkers fall. Everyone dies" might still be the ending.
Nope.
The ending's going to be bittersweet, not a complete downer. They've listed LOTR as an inspiration.
@@MrImastinker and Martin criticized the LOTR ending. He scoffs at good vs. bad, etc.
@Siggesatan *loose
I'm gonna add to Ben's mention and say that it doesn't have to be so black and white. There are still a ton of possibilities:
1. Everyone could die
2. All of the people with pride/fighters could die, leaving the meek (white walkers die from stabbing ice king), humans die of mortal wounds in battle and disease.
3. Everyone except the greyjoys die, because he goes back to his island w/ his ships and keep theon's sister. Waiting it out before everyone dies.
4. Cerise wins, because she is the most evil and willing to sacrifice everything to keep the power. She backstabs them after they take out the dragons and lets the rest of the humans die.
5. Sam and his family are the only one who survives, because they are the only ones who live after the war who also have knowledge of dragon glass.
6. etc etc etc
@@MrImastinker maybe it will be swee tin some way
The fact that GOT held such a large place in pop culture for so long and then just screwed the pooch soooo bad at the end that it dissolved that immediately.
I'm still holding out on a Netflix animated series tbh.
Me, casually watching this as if I know anything of what this show is: Ah... that's nice. That's real nice.
Mood
I only know it exists because of me mum.
u and me both..i quit on first episode due to utter confusion
I feel better knowing its not just me now
Than you guys for existing, I couldn't watch it even if I wanted to
"No one is advocating for democracy in Westoros'
Laughs in Iron Islands Kingsmoot
Night's watch
it's just elective monarchy once, it doesn't happen every time their King dies., Euron's sons and descendants will still follow him.
This comment has all my love rn
Oligarchy that elects a Monarch
Well, the kings moot is the election of the king, by the local aristocracy. The closest real life example is the emperor of the holy roman empire, who was elected for life, and held unchecked power, elected by an easily bribed aristocracy. This means that elective monarchies, often lead to hereditary ones (the theocratic elective monarchy of the former papal states is the only example where this didn't happen, because there was no family to pass power to).
The only "democracies" in the world of ice and fire, are the governments of the slaving cities, whereby citizens periodically elect a triarchy to rule over them.
"No one's really for democracy in Westeros." Except for those Greyjoys you pay no attention to.
And the night's watch!
And the Brotherhood Without Banners.
„Democracy“
I still prefer proud monarchists over democratic pirates
And Littlefinger & Tyrion.
...The Lannister motto is "hear me roar".
The unofficial motto is "a Lannister always pays his debt"
Don't f*cking dare
Rip maestro
The official motto is "Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken" it was taught by the teacher of brann in season 2. while he is learning the map of westeros.
This theory hasn’t aged well already.
I disagree. I think it's still a good opinion on what should have happened, even though it might not have made for a great ending.
ILove Knawledge no no I think the Night king should have won, or been used more than he was. Just the fact the theory can’t be possible anymore, that I say it hasn’t aged well.
Like he said, this is how it should have gone, but not how it will go
@@dhughesy2023 People thought the White Walkers would wipe out humanity. Wrong - the Children of the Forest will have that honor, thanks to their weapon the Three Eyed Raven.
The whole Game of Thrones was manipulated by The Raven, all to set up his assassination attempt on the Night King, his only true equal and rival. Three Eyed Raven wipes out all Human Life without his only opposition, and the Children of the Forest re-take Westeros
@@Kabra2012 I like your theory
Matpaaaaat, the Lannisters didn't poison John Arryn, Littlefinger and Laysa did!!!
Ikr thats the first thing that popped into my head
Lysa: Ey yo Caitlyn, *methinks* the Lannisters killed my boi, Johnyy Arryn
I SWEAR I THOUGHT THE LANNISTER S DID IT.......WHAT THE FUCK?
I was going to say that. thank the old gods that someone already said it
@@diegokaqui60 Littlefinger told Lysa to write to her sister claiming the Lannisters did it. Why? Chaos is a ladde--- Oh, he's dead.
Plot twist: At the very last moment, when all seems lost... a beam of light will shine down from the heavens, people will gaze in awe at the spectacular sight, some claiming it’s the lord of light, when none other than Thor himself, along with rocket and groot, appear in a shroud of glory to defend the realms of men.
Robertjr82 Thor “bring me white walkers!!!”
creepy gamer 😂 He better aim for the head this time.
the spectacular sight was Warrior Queen Arya, Princess who was Promised
God Emperor of Mankind 3.0 What do we say to the god of death?
Better than Arya yeeting the Night king
Man, this would’ve been a far better ending, not to mention it makes more sense.
Just rewatched this for the lol’s. Mat pat got it waaaaaayyyy off, but granted so did the whole world. I completely agree with you man 😂
Parker Brantley
I have never even watched a single second of Game of Thrones, yet I can agree.
It’s probably more shocking I was able to understand anything in this theory at all...
You need only one phrase to describe your conclusion.
Valar Morghulis.
Or, perhaps: "valar dohaeris". In a way, both phrases mean the same thing. We've been told many times that Death is the many-faced god, and we've seen many of death's less obvious faces in the form of metaphors for death: becoming No One has been a recurring theme in more stories than just Arya's, for example. The death of first Theon, then Reek in Theon's story arc toward redemption is another example. In Jon Snow's story arc, Jon is told to "kill the boy" so that the man may live, shortly before Jon was stabbed in the heart. A part of Sansa died when her dire wolf Lady was executed, and a part of Bran died with his dire wolf and with Hodor beneath the Three-Eyed Raven's Weirwood Tree. And that's just the beginning: almost all of the show's surviving main characters have figuratively died in one way or another, and the rest must either join them in "bending the knee" to a figurative death, or die in a more literal sense, before the series ends. I think it's a safe bet that all the characters will end up "dead" before the series ends... I also have a feeling not everyone will realize it when that happens, or be happy with the fact that in this series, "death" has countless, subtle faces that are not always as easily recognizable as a beheading or poisoning....
@@pietrayday9915 either way the phrase perfectly captures what matpat is trying to convey, the fates of the choices of the characters within the series. All men must die so that Westeros may return to balance.
Thunderstorm842 Valar Morghulis means “All men must die” but I’m not a man I am a woman
@@lunaedwards468 You also aren't a citizen of Westeros.
@@lunaedwards468 Ah-ha-ha classic "I am no man" loophole.
|: |
Jokes on you, this all took place in the eye of a blue eye giant 🤧
Praise be Mecumbre
I personally really do like the idea that the white walkers sweep down Westeros, annihilate the human institutions, and claim the iron throne. Remember that the walkers were made to reclaim the world for the Forest Children. The Forest children paid the cost for their lust for power and suffered for their pride because of it. I like the idea of the walkers accomplishing their mission and simply fading away, the final debt paid in full.
Bran and the survivors in the north would rebuild and keep worship of the old gods, worshiping the heart trees and becoming like the Forest Children at the beginning. And when people from Essos come to claim the "abandoned" continent and destroy the heart trees, Bran's descendants will unleash the white walkers again, restarting the cycle.
Isn't Bran one of the Night King's targets?
That's actually a pretty good theory.
The white walkers dont give a shit who you are, they even attack the first children their creators. So Bran could very well be a target
@@Corvaric True. And the magic that changed the Night King was never really shown to be a contract of any kind, just a magic transformation.
I just like the idea of winter being unstoppable, but ultimately making way for spring. But also being inevitable as the seasons shift from spring to summer to fall.
I also put my wager on Bran surviving because his group is the only one that never focused on the game of thrones where "you win or you die". And his group would be the only one that would believably turn to the same magic as the Forest Children and restart the cycle.
Metrion77 bran is being hunted by the night king.doesnt really work out.
I can tell you who didn't win. The fans.
I was going to like this comment, but it's at 69 likes. Nice.
"The lone wolf dies, but the pack survives."
True
ramsy bolten:"if u think this is a happy ending then you haven't been paying attention"
Or the whole pack dies with it as it died for nothing for a stupid accident and pride.
Eh, dat never happens in my life.
"Leave one wolf alive and the sheep are never safe."
5:30 Lannisters did not poison Jon Arryn , he was poisoned by his own wife with the order of LittleFinger
I was reading to see if someone posted that lol
And littlefinger did it with order from the lannisters
@@airportsecurityscan no he didn't
@@airportsecurityscan he actually started the feud between the starks and the lannisters
Jul Pura and so it begins
_Plot Twist: It was all just a dream._
If they do that I will jump out of my window Thomas style
I would drink Poisoned Wine
It was all a dream of Bran while he was uncounsious after Jaime pushed him from the tower.
Feelings and mental health: Am I a joke to you?
Daniel Sambar noooooooooooo
This would be the worst end ever everything we are emotionally invested in all false i would rather die
Sorry form my bad English it’s not my first language
you know what, his theory was technically right. He thought the ending was going to not be what the audience expected and would probably change from the normal tone of the show. So you know what, good on you Mat. you did great!
The white walkers should win, the spin off show should be about how the WW civilization progresses. They become a spacefaring civilization and start destroying galaxies. I shouldn't be awake till 2 AM
You shouldn't do drugs either
Hc_ 21 u juss lack creativity
Your mind 💃 the excellency
5:32 Really? It's common knowledge that littlefinger asked Lysa to poisoned her husband to create a conflict between the Lannisters and the Starks.
Everyone knows that, except "The Film Theorist"... LUL
SPOILER ALERT
Well Matpat I guess that Night kings pride got the best of him this time.
Edit:Oml Ive never had this many likes before or any replys lmao thank you alll.
@AKW here Ooooooooofffffffff
He wasn't proud, he was completely unintelligent. And I say unintelligent because saying he's dumb would actually attribute some level of intelligence to him.
It was that smirk that got him
no arya cheated...
she had Ghost mode on, otherwise she could have NEVER passed the army and the white walkers unnoticed....
Sam was advocating for democracy and they all laughed, poor bloke :(
We are very lucky it is fantasy and don't reflect real life.....
**cries in global warming**
It would be a powerful final message to convey, the white walkers winning. Listen up idiots, we deal with this, or we die.
@@pseudonymousbeing987 Sure. Just as soon as we find a way to combat the grand solar minimum we'll get right on that.
The difference is humans are responsible for the white walkers.
@@MrKezzerdrix
Don't be asinine.
so westoros is gonna freeze to death and we're gonna burn...oh
Well after season 8 episode 3 we can rule this theory out the window (just like bran)
Edit: Please sub to my channel or I'll delete your hbo subscription.
😂😂😂
Yeah bran died 100%👌
Does that mean that this theory will come in a wheel chair saying it's something else and knowing everything
Aria killed the Night King. Now she will become him. It is Trojan horse. She will try to hide it and fight it at first. But...
My prediction:
The two up coming episodes will be full of treachery - Daenerys killing John and similar.
Every character will show the worst of him, the worst egoism ever.
At the end - Aria will be completely devastated and will stop fighting with the darkness inside of her.
She will revenge, kill Daenerys and the other and will rule with the dark powers of the Night King.
What i piece of crap this show became when it left the books.
We all know its gonna end with credits
Pretty big assumption. Do you have any supporting evidence?
@Bilal Khalid Won't happen Sandor & Cerci belong to Araya..
you are wrong because... arya and a weapon forged with dragon fire can kill the night king because of dragon fire... but.. uh, dragon fire cant kill him.. because its just.. um.. dragon fire?
D&D : well uhh night king kinda forgot that he can be killed by Dragon fire
It's not because its forged in dragon fire it's because its valeryan steel, which is probably made of obsidian and some other metal mixed together
Dev Last name
I’m assuming by obsidian you do mean dragon glass since they look similar and obsidian doesn’t exist as far as we know in GOT.
Valyrian steel I believe is steel and dragon glass forged together with dragon fire.
Dragonglass is the archaic name for obsidian in the Game of Thrones universe. It is referred to as both.
@@Rougarou99 I'm mocking Dumb and Dumber. I know dragonglass and obsidian are the same thing in Georges world.
What I wanna know is what Pod did to those girls
Pod is Tyrion’s squire littlefinger thought that like other men Pod would start talking in bed about Tyrion. So Pod didn’t do anything LF just did this to get information about Tyrion.
Pod is the God of tits and wine
I want to hear the rest of Tyrion’s joke with the honeycomb and the brothel
why he gave them a good dicking down of course
I also want to know what pod did to those girls and what happened when tyrion brought a honeycomb and a jackass into the brothel
I've come to the same conclusion. I'm ready for the white walkers to win.
Im not...😢😢
did it finally occur to you that humans are scum
I was thinking the same thing,Danny is no hero or Queen.. except for the slaves she freed from the Masters,I strongly believe she's crazy like her father
i not really ready (i like the Snow family), but yep, i would not be surprise that all of them die and the walkers win
@@martinacosta3821 snow is the name given to people that are born as bastards. It's a way of removing the last name from them as an insult and to let people immediately know that they are not true blood for the throne or the house.
The White Walkers should win because it is the most logical ending.
Shane but... love and family bro
@@ianmccombs7287 you mean incest?
@@Kargalagan That's a massive OOF right there.
If so then what kind of message is George sending to us. That the world is ending so either sit and die or fight and die? I’ve just watched the first episode of the season and have a feeling it’s going to end up pulling the best out of our characters and those who survive hopefully will help recreate Westeros into a better kingdom then the one their in, even if things aren’t better by the end.
@@HyperSquiere18 remember this isn't how George is ending the story. We're past the books now
Judging by the inconsistency and how this season is turning out. I will take Bran miraculously waking up from his fall
Where's the Vale?
Also, Jon Arryn was killed by Lysa, manipulated by Littlefinger, not by the Lannister.
And Lannister motto is "Hear me roar". The other one isn't an official motto, just a saying about this House.
Not to mention Ned was never prideful. He was just too honourable for his own good.
Lannister motto is we are women hear me roar, gold is better we pay our debits. Aire is in westernroads.
@@MoonMagicks I'll have whatever it is you've been smoking.
It was one of their mottos tho, repition in a phrase is a motto. Their HOUSE WORDS are "hear me roar". Just some clarification ma friend 😁
@@RAV10L1X Ah damn, my bad! I'll blame it on my poor knowledge of the English language, I guess ^^'
Ned took a great deal of pride in his honour. A less prideful man would have questioned following his honour to his grave the way he did. Pride cometh before a fall. It was literally his greatest sin. A good man, sometimes merciful. Just. Kind. Faithful. ...And prideful.
and George R.R. Martin can finally rest. And watch the sun rise on a grateful universe.
Adam Nugent no he can finish those god damn books!!!
indeed once he has killed everyone and the white walkers win.
The best chance to ever see the last two books would be to kill George RR Martin. This way the people he trusts will finish the books as best as they can. Those are his requests should he die beforehand
Do you mean to tell me that G.R.R. Martin is secretly Thanos?
@@festethephule7553 well let's see. kills off probably 50% of the characters. Some of those characters get resurrected, and the final battle looks hopeless. And I'm sure the book readers (me included) will be grateful when they are all out
Two things my dude
Baelish poisoned Jon Arryn via Lyssa who blamed the Lannister’s
Olenna poisoned Joffrey via Sansas necklace
You’re the research king my man, double check that work
David torres thank you. That bugged me so much that I had to pause the video and read the comments to make sure people heard that.
This isnt even major research, it's what any fucking fan knows, mat pat just sucks nowadays
David torres Olenna was working with little finger though, in fact he’s the one who gets the neckless to her. He’s as much responsible as Olenna.
Slackin...
Matslack and his team are just lazy
I actually think this would’ve been the definitive ending. Everyone dies and no one gets to rule over Westeros. Game of Thrones isn’t the story of how good guys win, it’s the story of how good guys lose due to their failure to confront the harsh truths right in front of them. The people of Westeros put too much value on the things that only serve to distract them, that’s what the iron thrones represents.
Come on people,
This wasn't a theory,
This was the true ending,
(If it wasn't for this shitty writers)
this would be a better ending
Yep
I'm sorry for being a nerd but...
The lannister motto is "hear me roar"
Their words, not their motto
Uh, no. Those are the house words, not the motto.
Harry Ryder everytime I hear it all I can think about it that crappy Katy Perry song "Roar".
These are their words , their "official motto" as maester Luwin said
The words and the motto are the same thing. When Bran was studying the houses and gets to the Westmen: Bran Stark states "Sigil, a lion, words, a Lannister always pays their debts". He is corrected by Maester stating that "No, a common saying, but not their official motto". The house words are their official motto. This is clearly stated in the first season.
Bruh i literally dropped my croissant to come and watch this video
Ursulanda V but are you gonna finish it?
Why'd you drop that croissant? Was it awful or are you stupid?
Rip croissant
@@princeofspeedz8408 are you gonna finish that croisant ( cwasaaant)
That is some commitment right there.
11:15
Me: He forgot Rickonnnn
Also me: Does anyone actually care about rickon?
What about Bran the broken?
when arya leaves the faceles men she says "a girl is arya stark of winterfel and I'm going home"
Screw you guys I'm going home
Although it's not 100% clear she's not just playing the game of faces.
Yes but what MatPat said was her rejection of the Stark house identity, rather this is her name and her place of origin, she did not say Arya of House Stark, just Arya Stark of Winterfel.
Aight I'm boutta head out cuz
@@michaelbcohen fair enough
If there are bets on then Sansa's friends are gonna be freaking loaded by the end of the season...
19:11 Greyjoy : no thanks were fine on our islands
Danaerys: they have a dragon
Greyjoy : god damnit
I always liked The Hound, he was a complicated character, him taking down his brother was bitter sweet but I'm glad they kept him around for that, unlike in the book where they killed him off.
Pretty sure he's alive in the books also
I just want those dragons to be OK.
And victorious White Walkers would be nice, too.
I just want the wolves to be okay.
yes! i want the white walkers to win. They are invincible after all, that's what we've heard throughout the whole series.
That would be perfect if the white walkers win
Never thought i would agree with the white walkers winning being the best ending...but here i am.
Sudip Bose
I'd love the show to end badly: massive genocide of the human race by the White Walkers. That would be so freakin awesome compared to whatever good ending...
the irony of "isnt it more important to protect your people than your pride" is powerful coming from Dany. Jon knows he's the true ruler of Westeros now, Let's see if she's humble enough to do the same for Jon.
Well she put a hold to her entire campaign, risking her dragons and armies, to help in the North (even before Jon Snow bended the knee). She could have gone through with fighting Cercei easily, even without Northern allies, but she chose to help fight the army of the dead instead of hunting after what she believes should be her throne. So yeah she kinda is making it more important to protect her people than to go after her own pride
Plus she stayed in Mereen until it the situation was stable enough and installing a decent protection so that her people would not fall back into the old system of slavery again, again protecting her own people first
"Rightful ruler" shmightful ruler. Jon doesn't HAVE to take the crown if he doesn't want to. He could just marry Dany then everyone wins.
Well yeah, Sam asks Jon exactly that at the end of the episode.
As for what @@ashg7219 is saying, it would technically be more beneficial for Jon, sorry, Aegon to marry Cersei. A Stark raised Targaryen King and a Lannister Queen fixes every single political problem all at once.
@@ashg7219 If we're talking objectively about blood, I think its better to stick by the term "rightful" what they decide to do with marriage is up to them. For all intents and purposes he is Righteous in his claim now.
I actually agree with this. LOVE THIS THEORY MAN
Theory man xD
"The real threat to Westeros."
Lmao killed in 1 episode.
“I will not judge a son by the sins of his father.”
G.R.R. Martin
That was Jesus.
Lol that quote is ancient
@@tavjorden3156 Jon says it in the show, at least, in season 7 episode 1 I'm pretty sure. Either 6.10 or 7.1
"I WILL judge a son by the sins of his father."
GOT universe
@@tavjorden3156 that doesn't at all matter to what i was saying but
More friendly ending: burns kid alive surrounded by dozens of limbs in an occult symbol.
Exactly :D the first episode of the final season looks suspiciously like the first episode of the first season thanks to all sorts of deliberate call-backs to the very first episode, and I don't think that the show-runners did that randomly. Just as S1E1 was the start of seven seasons of rather dark plot twists mixed with some lighter material like acts of heroism, tearful reunions, daring rescues and escapes, and so on, we can expect S7E1 to be the start of one final season of more of the same: dark plot twists mixed with some lighter material, leading up to what the show runners promise will be a "bittersweet ending" - which sounds about right to me, if I'm reading the foreshadowing in the series right. Something tells me this last season is going to get darker before it gets any more "TV friendly", and the final episode is going to be anything but a completely happy ending.
Only that Ned Umber wasn't alive anymore.
A child was still killed on the show. Although we have directly seen it on the show, it doesn't make the scene any easier lol.
That scared me. I forgot they came alive
After 7 seasons of buildup, I'm glad the antagonist died from a stab wound from a 4 foot tall girl
Who actually wanted to see a battle between Jon and the night king? I know I didn't.
jon* its a real name, its one thing that people dont say it right i get that, but you do not type that name with an h.
@@4450krank fixed
@Jim Johnson its not pronounced the same way.
@Thunderjunk Mcbuttram It literally is. Both are pronounced J - aw - n. How the hell do you pronounce things?
True... Ganky McPieMaker Queen did good
What did the writer think about:
"I want to surprise every one so let's give the fans the ending they won't like"
So he killed the show
6:07 My dude, didn't Olenna Tyrell admit she killed joffrey right before her death?
Daner Jaf She did in conspiracy with Littlefinger
olenna admitted it to margaery aswell in season 4
The Lannisters didn't poison John Aryn, it was Little finger and Lysa Aryn
nitpick
When it came to the White Walker threat, one of my favorite moments came from Davos Seaworth. When he tells Denaerys, "If we do not put aside our enmities and band together we will all die. Then it doesn't matter whose skeleton sits on the Iron Throne". (Spoiler) Shame the Night King and White Walkers got offed just 3 eps in. Would have been better if they remained the final big bad of this story instead of Cersei/Dany...
hes wrong. because if they had just ignored the threat, theyd still be trapped north of the Wall. if the Wall is useless, the NK would have gone past it months before that scene. but he hadnt.
2:51 DON'T DO IT MATPAT, every time someone asks when Winds of Winter is coming out, he kills another Stark.
Game Theory: HISHE
Background music: I’m bout to ruin this man’s whole career
Corrections corner: house Baratheon was always a major house from the get go. Fight me, MatPat
Casimir Funk don’t you mean the Greyjoy’s?
watching this in 2024, still waiting for the final books to be released...
the theory that the show ending was unsatisfying on purpose so that people would still read the books for a different ending is actually genius
George: I'm 3/4 away almost done guys 🗣🗣
Game of thrones not being able to have a satisfying ending, I feel, is an extension of this lesson
before watching the latest episode and even watching this video, I always wanted the ending to be this, for the exact same reasons you brought up. never have I ever seen my opinion/feelings explained in such a proper video essay ahaha
Your theories are usually better than what the shows and movies come up with!
So for what it's worth, I just saw this video for the first time, and this is almost point for point the *exact* argument I made when season 8 first premiered and why I gave up after s8e3. I was incredibly about how the NK was so easily dispatched and the entailed rejection of the overarching story. Somehow, the series finale actually made it worse, but maybe it was only worse because it solidified the problem with the NK's defeat--the continuation of institutions and the complete disregard for the price you pay when you try to play the game of thrones.
I hope Martin thinks through his story more clearly than D&D did, and I hope he has the guts to tell the story the way it has been telling itself all this time.
That’s the problem when you seek to push an agenda instead of letting the characters speak for themselves and push their stories.
Fun fact : There are a total of over 173,000 deaths in Game Of Thrones from season 1-7
Bullshit.
Pokefrik Erik it’s not
Dead meat much
Well if kings landing falls remember to add 1mil to that number
ATZ TV Wow, doesn’t seem like that much. Like geez, is that including the massacre of the wildlings?
"The night is dark and full of theories."
Good one, Matt 😂
What are you 4?
So disappointed they didn't go with this ending
💰💰💰
@5:20 “they understand the cost of things!” - in context, that makes so much sense when Cersei told Tyrion, “It doesn’t matter anymore. Your love doesn’t matter, your feelings don’t matter. I don’t care why you did what you did. I only care what it COST us. It cost us our future, our family!“ 😮
“A Lannister Always Pays His Debts” is not the House motto. That’s “Hear Me Roar”. It’s just a common phrase, as Maester Luwin says to Bran in season 2 (I think)
Hear me Roar are the house words, A Lannister always pays his debts is a motto, they were very careful in the video to make that distinction so they are not wrong