How it Works: Deep Inside a Cutaway Espresso Machine

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  • Опубликовано: 8 мар 2016
  • In this video you will learn how a semi-automatic espresso machine works. Using a machine with cutaway components, Todd and Marc from WholeLatteLove.com trace the path of water movement through the machine. Get an inside look at cutaway components, their purpose and how they operate. Components include: E61 brew group, heat-exchange boiler, solenoid valve, thermal siphon system, steam valve, one-way valve, anti-burn wands, rotary pump, OPV valve and much more.
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    The machine featured in this video is the ECM Technika IV Profi Switchable. It's a semi-automatic espresso machine with heat-exchange boiler and rotary pump. Special thanks to ECM for providing the machine for this presentation!
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Комментарии • 246

  • @al-wilsonalino6091
    @al-wilsonalino6091 3 года назад +6

    This video helped me get a job as a coffee tech. Now i have been fixing machines for 3 years! Thanks Guys!

    • @Wholelattelovepage
      @Wholelattelovepage  3 года назад +1

      Hi AA, That's awesome! Happy to help and hope you are enjoying your profession!
      Marc

    • @al-wilsonalino6091
      @al-wilsonalino6091 3 года назад +1

      I am loving it. I'm based in melbourne and im planning to sell refurbished machines in PH. hope all goes well! Thanks heaps guys

  • @richykim4868
    @richykim4868 3 года назад +5

    The two of you guys make the best technical espresso machine videos.

  • @cwsears
    @cwsears 5 лет назад

    Fabulous walk through under the cover of the Technika, thanks for this video. It's very helpful to have a better understanding of how things work.

  • @Delmar829
    @Delmar829 6 лет назад +29

    Thank you for doing this. A very well informed instructor.

  • @rodsnyder6020
    @rodsnyder6020 4 года назад +4

    That was so awesome! Thanks a lot for these deep insights here! Learned a lot watching this. Thank you guys!

    • @Wholelattelovepage
      @Wholelattelovepage  4 года назад +1

      Hi Rod, You are welcome and thank you for taking a moment to leave your comment!
      Marc

  • @jasonkarriker3134
    @jasonkarriker3134 5 лет назад +9

    Wow! Amazing explanation every single detail.

  • @PeaceChanel
    @PeaceChanel Год назад +2

    Thank You Everybody for All that you are doing for our Planet Earth.... Peace.. Shalom.. Salam.. Namaste .. 🙏🏻 😊 🌈 ✌ 🌷 ☮ ❤🕊

  • @nightshift4587
    @nightshift4587 4 года назад +4

    This was a great 17min + video. Thank you for making and sharing this.

    • @Wholelattelovepage
      @Wholelattelovepage  4 года назад +2

      HI, You are welcome and thank you for taking a moment to leave a comment!
      Marc

  • @miguelangelmichelruggerio1128
    @miguelangelmichelruggerio1128 7 лет назад +8

    amazing piece of art .

  • @mikeausmunchen4211
    @mikeausmunchen4211 2 года назад +3

    Thank you for making this outstanding explanation video and all the effort you've put in the cut model.

  • @abdullahali5999
    @abdullahali5999 4 года назад +2

    Brilliant, I have been really looking for such a video for ages. Respect for all the team.

    • @Wholelattelovepage
      @Wholelattelovepage  4 года назад

      Hey aa, Marc here from Whole Latte Love... Happy you found the video and thank you for the respect!

  • @user-ok3wb5hc4j
    @user-ok3wb5hc4j 5 лет назад +2

    such a great video I have ever seen. I need this kind of videos as I really want to study about espresso machine. Thank you so much for nice information!

    • @Wholelattelovepage
      @Wholelattelovepage  5 лет назад

      Hi thanks for the comment and you are welcome. If you want to learn more about a variety of machine be sure and check out our other videos and our support wiki which has manuals, diagrams and more for most popular espresso machines. It's available here: wiki.wholelattelove.com/Main_Page
      Marc

  • @TheEndofThis
    @TheEndofThis 3 года назад +19

    I would buy an espresso machine from this man

  • @golfbofai
    @golfbofai 5 лет назад +2

    from Thailand thank you for knowledge thank

  • @bobbuell5968
    @bobbuell5968 7 лет назад +21

    cut-aways are the best

  • @ronstar8857
    @ronstar8857 7 лет назад +3

    Thank you both for an outstanding "learning" video. Excellent inside review of the workings of a espresso machine. Great to know how things work! Cheers, gents!

  • @cristianiuhas4079
    @cristianiuhas4079 6 лет назад +2

    Great video! LOVE my Rocket, finally know how it works...

  • @houshanghemmaci618
    @houshanghemmaci618 2 года назад

    Thanks It is very good for me .You show inside of machine and how actuator work together

  • @GC-fb5qb
    @GC-fb5qb 7 лет назад +4

    Wow awesome video that is so informative, thanks for the effort in making this video, the engineer in me loves to understand how all the items function as a complete system. Also shows the quality of the parts used by ECM

  • @ThingEngineer
    @ThingEngineer 5 лет назад

    Amazing machine for such an amazing product! Thanks for the awesome teardown and explanation.

  • @StephenEBall
    @StephenEBall 10 месяцев назад +2

    Very good teaching!!! Thanks for the absolutely wonderful explanation.

    • @Wholelattelovepage
      @Wholelattelovepage  10 месяцев назад

      Hey SEB, You're very welcome and thanks for the comment!

  • @MrStinkystink
    @MrStinkystink 4 года назад

    Great video and helpful in understanding the operations of E61 and other general machines

  • @pederkimlunding3352
    @pederkimlunding3352 6 лет назад +1

    From Denmark - thank you for a fantastic stream. Really cool and informative😉😄

  • @TINGSTARR
    @TINGSTARR 7 лет назад +3

    Todd and Mark, great video as most of yours are. I'm very glad I came across this one in particular which gave a me a greater understanding of the internals (I'm a car guy as much as an espresso guy - gear-head as they say). Love how this evokes the Audi/Lamborghini partnership. German engineering / Italian flare. Thanks again!!!

    • @Wholelattelovepage
      @Wholelattelovepage  7 лет назад +1

      Hi T, You are welcome and thanks for the comment! I (Marc) am a car guy too! Although more of the American muscle car variety.

    • @TINGSTARR
      @TINGSTARR 7 лет назад

      Whole Latte Love Marc, I also have a 1999 SVT Cobra which is my pride and joy. And it's a convertible. I love to bring it to cars and coffee events. Now that's living, right?

  • @chairattangthong
    @chairattangthong Год назад

    I just understand how espresso machine works, this is very good video sharing Thank you very much sirs.

  • @44Bigs
    @44Bigs 3 года назад

    Great video! I finally understand what’s going on in my Bezzera Mitica.

  • @murphyrp01
    @murphyrp01 4 года назад

    Great video team. Very explanatory.

  • @wursthans5921
    @wursthans5921 5 лет назад

    Thanks for the explaination. Good work!

  • @matthiasmartin1975
    @matthiasmartin1975 3 года назад

    This is brilliant! Thanks, now that I know what all that stuff does I stand a chance of repairing it. Mine has a ruptured heat exchanger, no wonder it didn't work properly. I had a hunch that I was dealing with a heat exchanger, but having certainty gives me great peace 😉.

    • @Wholelattelovepage
      @Wholelattelovepage  3 года назад

      Hey MCB, Thabks for the comment and good look with repairs!
      Marc

  • @longfade
    @longfade 4 года назад

    Wow, what an ingenious system.

  • @CorrupteddSanity
    @CorrupteddSanity 4 года назад

    you guys are an institution on this subject - thank you

    • @Wholelattelovepage
      @Wholelattelovepage  4 года назад

      Hi h22, You are welcome! We do our best. Thanks for taking the time to leave a comment!
      Marc

  • @katakis1
    @katakis1 2 года назад +1

    Fascinating stuff.

  • @AndreasZimmerman
    @AndreasZimmerman 4 года назад

    This has helped me so much

  • @gottahavegoalsset
    @gottahavegoalsset 9 месяцев назад +1

    So amazing and impressive.

  • @tarikabderrahim9442
    @tarikabderrahim9442 4 года назад

    Very well explained.
    Great job

  • @charithdayantha
    @charithdayantha Год назад +1

    the only video in the youtube which describe the coffee machine at the time

  • @philipp9559
    @philipp9559 5 лет назад

    Brilliant video. Thanks!

  • @caffhuang
    @caffhuang 2 месяца назад +1

    Really great video love it!

  • @Paddington2000
    @Paddington2000 6 лет назад +1

    Great video, thanks!

    • @Wholelattelovepage
      @Wholelattelovepage  6 лет назад

      Hi Harvey, Thanks for the comment! This is the stuff we like doing the most.

  • @dhammadiipa
    @dhammadiipa Год назад +1

    Appreciate your work

  • @himesjon
    @himesjon 2 года назад +1

    This dude loves his job

  • @sylc9161
    @sylc9161 2 года назад

    Excellent videos to learn about anything coffee

  • @CorrupteddSanity
    @CorrupteddSanity 4 года назад

    Good job, Todd! Very clear.

  • @01cortese
    @01cortese 8 лет назад +2

    well done guys

  • @mgp-bct7723
    @mgp-bct7723 3 года назад

    Wow you guys are the best one sow far how many I seen only u the guys explaining everything teaching everything :)
    Nice 👍 thanks 🙏

  • @sidrungkapun2082
    @sidrungkapun2082 7 лет назад +1

    thanks for this helpfull video

  • @headoverbars8750
    @headoverbars8750 4 года назад

    Wow...I get some new projects with a nice little raise on the horizon and not only have I purchased a new espresso machine in my head, but now I am servicing it already Lmao...
    Focus!
    I still need to work on getting that grinder!

  • @szesccztery
    @szesccztery 4 года назад

    Hi guys, thanks for the great video, I really appreciated it. Did u know, that the pressure chamber below the valve has a prebrew-function? Starting the process by pulling the lever in the up-position, the upper chamber will be filled with about 9 bar pressure, and opens the lower chamber at about 2 bar. The water drains and soaks the coffee at about 2 bar until the lower chamber is completely filled. After this, the full pressure of about 9 bar will reach the coffee and the extraction will start. Cheers from Germany! Gregor

    • @Wholelattelovepage
      @Wholelattelovepage  4 года назад

      Hi Gregor, Thanks for the comment! Yes we use that on rotary pump and plumbed machines from ECM and Profitec to do a true line pressure pre-infusion.

    • @saidaksas928
      @saidaksas928 3 года назад

      Hi Gregor thanks for the Info, any idea on how to learn more about fixing coffee Machines, would like to do this as a job
      Please advise

  • @riskihdi392
    @riskihdi392 4 года назад

    From Indonesia,terimakasih telah berbagi pengetahuan

    • @Wholelattelovepage
      @Wholelattelovepage  4 года назад +1

      Hi le,
      Anda dipersilakan dan terima kasih atas komentarnya!
      Marc

  • @inferno493
    @inferno493 3 года назад +11

    Really great video, although I believe there is one small error. The top of the bottom chamber is for pre-infusion. It uses a low pressure spring to allow water to flow into it at the same time that the portafilter is building pressure and prevents the coffee from receiving a sudden burst of pressure. When you lower the lever fully, it opens both chambers, allowing the preinfusion chamber to drain so it can be used for the next shot. The lower valve uses a much higher tension spring so that it would only open on it's own in the case of excess pressure in the grouphead.

  • @jensbaufeldt7543
    @jensbaufeldt7543 3 года назад

    Fantastic educational

    • @Wholelattelovepage
      @Wholelattelovepage  3 года назад

      Hey Jens, Glad you enjoyed it! Here's another that's very similar which takes you inside the 4 types of boilers used in most espresso machines: ruclips.net/video/OUywoRs4meY/видео.html
      Marc

  • @beaurice909
    @beaurice909 7 лет назад +1

    very nice video man seriously

    • @Wholelattelovepage
      @Wholelattelovepage  7 лет назад

      Hi Egli, Thanks for your comment we seriously love getting the a whole latte! If you like this video, we have a similar one coming out in the next day or so featuring a cutaway Profitec Pro 700.

  • @douglasmaclean5836
    @douglasmaclean5836 3 года назад

    that was absolutely awesome, thanks !

    • @Wholelattelovepage
      @Wholelattelovepage  3 года назад

      Hi DM, you’re welcome. Thanks for the comment and glad you enjoyed!
      Marc

    • @baswouwenaar8530
      @baswouwenaar8530 3 года назад +1

      Great video. However you didn’t explain the preinfusion chamber. The top spring on the release end of the grouphead opens at about 1,5 atm allowing the chamber to fill resulting in some time before the pressure on the puck builds up to full brewing pressure. This is one of the unique design features of the e61’s patented design.

  • @alunroberts1439
    @alunroberts1439 Год назад +1

    Excellent description.

    • @Wholelattelovepage
      @Wholelattelovepage  Год назад +1

      Glad you enjoyed it

    • @alunroberts1439
      @alunroberts1439 Год назад +1

      @@Wholelattelovepage am working on one my self needs a good clean. The motor has given in won't turn the pump as was lime scale in it changed pump did not help all runs ok on a drill so waiting for a new motor.

  • @aj4901300
    @aj4901300 6 лет назад +1

    great job!

  • @HiiImChris
    @HiiImChris Год назад +1

    The magnetic component is cool

  • @hassanalsebaa
    @hassanalsebaa 5 лет назад

    Thanks for the video. If I use meter on 2k ohms setting to test the solenoid will enough?

  • @PacoOtis
    @PacoOtis 4 года назад

    Dudes! Excellent! Thanks for the video and we definitely owe you a beer, I mean brew!!

    • @Wholelattelovepage
      @Wholelattelovepage  4 года назад

      Hi JS, You are welcome and thank you for the comment! And I'll take the beer!!!
      Marc

  • @alikale4851
    @alikale4851 3 года назад

    Thank you for information

  • @natsoray
    @natsoray 5 лет назад

    This is so cool! It's really interesting how straight-forward and simple the actual mechanics of this machine are. For some reason I always imagined these machines to be much more complex.

    • @Wholelattelovepage
      @Wholelattelovepage  5 лет назад

      Hi natsoray, Thanks for the comment. I will say ECM machines tend to be some of the most straightforward under the hood. Well engineered using the K.I.S.S. principle!
      Marc

  • @kuldilakh7557
    @kuldilakh7557 5 лет назад +1

    CooL Explanatory x

  • @AbuSalem2099
    @AbuSalem2099 3 года назад

    thank you for your valuable video.
    i am an engineer whos starting to study espresso machines to make my own top notch one, and maybe open my company sometime later when i master the craft.

    • @Wholelattelovepage
      @Wholelattelovepage  3 года назад +1

      Hi AS, Thanks for the comment. If you like this video you should enjoy this newer one with cutaway models of toher Espresso machine boiler types: ruclips.net/video/OUywoRs4meY/видео.html
      Marc

    • @AbuSalem2099
      @AbuSalem2099 3 года назад

      @@Wholelattelovepage Hi Marc, Already did, i am honored talking with you.

  • @wearashirt
    @wearashirt 6 лет назад

    is the cam accessible at all, for example during a total cleaining and rebuild of the e61 system?

  • @payamirani5298
    @payamirani5298 4 года назад

    Thanks for this very helpful video. In watching this, it seems that a lot of the need for cleaning or maintenance required (eg backflushing) is caused because of the shared pathway to exhaust pressure from the group and end up with a dry puck. Are there any designs on groups that address this issue?

    • @Wholelattelovepage
      @Wholelattelovepage  4 года назад

      Hi PI, Thanks for the comment and question. No designs I'm aware of other than cheap entry-level espresso appliances which do not have a 3-way valve. With those you end up with a soupy mess in the filter basket and residual pressure after an extraction.
      Marc

  • @MatthewFura
    @MatthewFura 5 лет назад

    Nice. That's my machine!

  • @bigmedge
    @bigmedge 11 месяцев назад +1

    This is a great tutorial !! But are you guys planning to make a video about the circuit paths/components of the power board ? Like which the power paths within the circuit , PCB components that frequently malfunction , symptoms of each malfunction , & how to troubleshoot them with a multimeter ?

    • @Wholelattelovepage
      @Wholelattelovepage  11 месяцев назад +1

      Hey b, Thanks for the comment! We have a variety of support videos including some on electronics. Those are machine specific so best bet is to go to our support section here and search by brand and then the machine you are interested in: support.wholelattelove.com/hc/en-us

  • @alylyshua74937
    @alylyshua74937 5 лет назад +2

    Now I'll be able to make my machine out of spare parts yay !

  • @bernhardtabert5900
    @bernhardtabert5900 7 лет назад +1

    Well made :-)

  • @ek9772
    @ek9772 4 года назад

    Todd the Professor 🤓

  • @MathewClips
    @MathewClips 7 месяцев назад +1

    Ahh now I will fix my espresso machine...
    Y'know if I had one
    ( Pretty cool though )

  • @BillyBobpeeps
    @BillyBobpeeps 3 года назад

    Brilliant vid, full of detail and exceptionally well presented, many thanks. The capacity, guesstimating, of the heat exchanger and associated piping, could be less than 300ml. Using a short purge and pulling one shot would use approx 100ml. Cold water fed by the pump would replenish this. This would suggest that the temp would take a nose dive, during and for some time after the shot. Reheat might take some time as there are no fins on the exchanger. Do you have any figures on this, please?

    • @Wholelattelovepage
      @Wholelattelovepage  3 года назад

      Hi BB, Thanks for the comment, question and request. If you like this video you'll love this newer one with a look inside cutaways of single, HX and dual boilers: ruclips.net/video/OUywoRs4meY/видео.html
      Reheat times are fairly quick, in most HX machines you'd be all ready to go by the time you prepped the next shot. Large thermal mass with water in boiler and the 6 or so pounds of metal in the group.
      Marc

  • @DanielBegin1
    @DanielBegin1 6 лет назад

    Gents, thanks for the video. On my machine, the brew lever is very stiff when closing at the end of the shot. Is there any maintenance required for this aside from regular back flushing? Or should I open the brew head where the cam is? Thanks

    • @Wholelattelovepage
      @Wholelattelovepage  6 лет назад

      Hi Daniel, You are welcome and thanks for the question. So the machine should be descaled on a regular basis depending on how hard you water is. As to the lever being stiff... There is a cam internally which actuates a valve. Could be some build up on that or some wear. Can't be certain that's the issue but maybe. Here a video showing how to clean an E61 mushroom, jet and top valve: ruclips.net/video/4H57QSEMDhs/видео.html

  • @beck007able
    @beck007able 3 года назад +1

    Beautiful piece of machinery!! Why can all brewing machines be made this serviceable!! Oh yeah, everyone wants them cheap!!

  • @Giannixeneize
    @Giannixeneize 4 года назад

    it's very interesting i have a question i have a rocket similar to that
    and from the steam lance I get steam and plenty of water? I should just go out steam right? that water might come out

    • @Wholelattelovepage
      @Wholelattelovepage  4 года назад +1

      Hi G, Thanks for the question. It's normal to have some water come out when steam is first turned on. Within a second or two it should go to steam only. The initial bit of water is from condensation.
      Marc

  • @showoffvideo
    @showoffvideo 6 лет назад

    Pretty sweet video. Makes me sad my machine lacks a few of these features.
    The only thing I’m curious about is the temperature of the heat exchange. I thought heat exchange units keeps 2 temperatures. But here brew water heating up the brew head and then going through the coffee isn’t temperature controlled/monitored?
    Edit: I think I figured it out. Main boiler is temperature controlled at steam/hot water temp and pressure. Heat exchange inside cycles outside the boiler into the group. But the speed of the pump pumping the water out and back in from the heat exchange loosely controls the temperature to be cooler than boiler temperature.

    • @Wholelattelovepage
      @Wholelattelovepage  6 лет назад +4

      Hi James, Thanks for the comment! Very close to correct on your edit. Here's what's going on: Water circulates from the heat exchange section inside the boiler out to the brew group and back. No pump involved in making that happen just thermodynamics in the thermo-siphon loop. Most E61 group machines uses a flow restrictor which controls the flow rate of the thermo-siphon. Changing the opening size of the flow restrictor affects the temperature of the group. Most heat-exchange boiler machines require a short cooling flush prior to brewing to get rid of over-heated brew water. There are a number of newer HX machines with PID temperature control which do not require cooling flushes. PIDs give very accurate in boiler temperatures. Manufacturers can then engineer the thermo-siphon with a flow restrictor sized to produce a certain brew temp say 200F even when the main boiler is running in the 260'sF.

  • @tdaiuto
    @tdaiuto 2 года назад

    Great Video. Just purchased the Mechanica V Slim. My biggest issue with the design is the lack of drainage for the Anti vacuum valve. The amount of water that leaks prior to a seal can't be good for the electronics inside the machine. I've noticed that other machines have the new type of vacuum valve that takes the excess water to the drain tray. The Profitec Pro 600 comes to mind. Is it possible to modify machines that don't have this using the new style valve? Maybe cut into the drain tube for the expansion valve and splice in the tube for the vacuum valve?

    • @Wholelattelovepage
      @Wholelattelovepage  2 года назад +2

      Hey Todd, thanks for the comment and question. I don’t see a reason why you could not do that. Many machines use a T into the line going to the drip tray. Like you I prefer that setup. That said, it’s a very small amount of moisture released from the open relief valve, the boiler is hot so it evaporates rapidly and convection rapidly moves the water vapor up and out of the machine. If you decide to route to drip tray be sure the tube off the VR valve doesn’t get kinked. Kinks can prevent the VR valve from closing by causing back pressure on the valve.
      Marc

  • @AlienOne2
    @AlienOne2 3 года назад

    Thanks for sharing, very helpful but my machine is slightly different. Would you happen to have a video on how to replace the non-return valve on "Rocket Mozzafiato Type V"?

  • @jekciso
    @jekciso 8 лет назад +1

    Nice piece of engineering, but could that contraption can be easily replaced by an overhead reservoir?

    • @Wholelattelovepage
      @Wholelattelovepage  8 лет назад +1

      Not sure we fully understand the question. Do you mean overhead such that it could be gravity fed? At some point a pump is required to create the ~9bar pressure used in the espresso brewing process.

  • @saraozer845
    @saraozer845 6 лет назад +1

    Interesting

  • @vlariz
    @vlariz 8 лет назад

    Thanks for this vid guys really informative. One question I have is that if you wanted to increase the steam pressure, is it only possible via the pressure stat?
    thanks in advance

    • @vlariz
      @vlariz 8 лет назад

      +vlariz nevermind just found your video about adjusting the sirai pressurestat you guys are awesome

    • @Wholelattelovepage
      @Wholelattelovepage  8 лет назад

      +vlariz Thanks for your question and well answering it yourself! Well I guess we did but you found it on your own so you are awesome too! If you have more ?'s ask away. We're always happy to help.

  • @malofx
    @malofx 8 месяцев назад

    "just a few pieces, not a big deal" lol

  • @davidkennerly
    @davidkennerly 7 лет назад +1

    Is that Kevlar wrapped around the tank? I would have to guess that it is a safety measure to prevent an uncontained, over-pressure explosion, like a jet engine nacelle.

    • @Wholelattelovepage
      @Wholelattelovepage  7 лет назад

      Hi David. Does look like kevlar but it's not. Just a high-quality jacket around insulating material. Boilers are protected from bad things happening by thermal safety switches and/or relief valves.

  • @alekzzisrec
    @alekzzisrec 8 лет назад +1

    MEGA !!

    • @Wholelattelovepage
      @Wholelattelovepage  8 лет назад +1

      +Aleksander Gustyn If you like that, you'll get a kick out of this one:
      ruclips.net/video/E4p4kfw5BLI/видео.html
      Just don't try it at home. We are not responsible for lost digits!!!

  • @caidenleyva4056
    @caidenleyva4056 5 дней назад +2

    Could you guys ever do this for the gaggia classic pro?

    • @Wholelattelovepage
      @Wholelattelovepage  5 дней назад +1

      Hey c, While I don't have a specific "How It Works" for the GCP we do have a full boiler rebuild video, 3-way solenoid clean/replace and many more maintenance and repair videos which go inside the machine. Those are all accessible at our support page for the GCP located here: support.wholelattelove.com/hc/en-us/sections/1500000384362-Gaggia-Classic-Pro

  • @s0ccerFreakTT
    @s0ccerFreakTT 4 года назад +2

    you should do the same thing using an entry-level model

    • @Wholelattelovepage
      @Wholelattelovepage  4 года назад

      Hi zg, We have some videos featuring internals of premium entry-level machines like the Gaggia Classic. Here a video showing a complete rebuild of that machine: ruclips.net/video/N9i-EH7qXOc/видео.html
      Marc

  • @hizkiakumaat2206
    @hizkiakumaat2206 2 года назад

    Thank you for the video. But, how much water in the heat exchanger? Is the heat exchanger path is always full of water?

    • @Wholelattelovepage
      @Wholelattelovepage  2 года назад

      Hi HK, You are welcome. Heat exchanger is always full of water and once heated up is constantly circulating water out to the E61 group head.
      Marc

  • @DavidFederLimitlessGuitar
    @DavidFederLimitlessGuitar 3 года назад

    This is great! Do you have a teardown video for the Isomac Milano?

  • @shihster88
    @shihster88 7 лет назад

    The water goes through the injection pipe during brewing and mixes with the hot water in the heat exchange pipe at 9 bar. There is still a little gap at the bottom of the connecting piece grouting pipe where the recirculated water comes through as shown in 6:01. How does the pressure of the water in the pipe during the brew process at 9 bar during brewing not push backwards out of the exchanger and backwards through the cold side of the thermosiphon?

    • @emilycarpenter5965
      @emilycarpenter5965 Год назад

      Late to the discussion, but I had the same thought as you did. I am assuming that once the pump pressurizes the heat exchanger, water will flow from high pressure to low pressure meaning that water will flow through both lines of the thermosiphon to the back of the E61 group. However, since the colder water comes into the middle of the Hx, water leaving the Hx through the hot water line and through the recirc line of the thermosiphon should both be close together in temperature. Even if they are off by a few degrees, they will mix in the first chamber of the E61 before moving through the mushroom. I hope that makes sense, I've only been studying these machines for a few months.

  • @mrpeterpotts5106
    @mrpeterpotts5106 2 года назад

    Interesting demonstration of how people who know intricate details do not the best teachers make.

  • @corneligel1449
    @corneligel1449 3 года назад

    Very informative!
    Could you please tell me if there is a heat exchange machine available that does not have a teflon tube inside the small section of the boiler, dedicated to brewing?
    Does the Rocket machines also have the teflon tube?

    • @Wholelattelovepage
      @Wholelattelovepage  3 года назад

      Hi CG, I'm checking on Rocket but I know for certain Crem machines do not have a Teflon tube in the boilers. Check out current Crem machines here: www.wholelattelove.com/collections/semi-automatic-espresso-machines?_=pf&pf_v_brand=Crem

    • @corneligel1449
      @corneligel1449 3 года назад

      Thanks for the interim feedback!

  • @zruban
    @zruban 3 года назад

    One quick question: In the video (time 14:43) you are explaining how the pressure of E61 is released. What could be wrong if my Bezzera stops doing this back pressure thing from the brew group? I stop the coffe extraxting when coffe is done but no pressure from the bototm of the Group is released aftewards ...no ideas anywehere. Any suggestions?

    • @Wholelattelovepage
      @Wholelattelovepage  3 года назад +1

      Hi MZ, Thanks for the question. Wish I knew which model Bezzera machine you have. Does your machine use an E61 group with a lever to start and stop the extraction or the BZ group? if E61 it may need a cleaning. If BZ group it has an electrical solenoid valve which may need attention if not blowing off pressure at end of extraction. Here's a video showing how to clean E61 group which may help with your problem: ruclips.net/video/4H57QSEMDhs/видео.html
      Marc

    • @zruban
      @zruban 3 года назад

      @@Wholelattelovepage Thank you Marc. It´s Bezzera Mitica TOP with E61 group (HX boiler and ROTARY pump). I´m your big fan so I have already checked all avaliable videos out there and E61 group has been cleaned on regular basis (every 3 months)...it´s true that for a short time it helps (and by short time I mean 5-6 espresso :) )

  • @brozbro
    @brozbro 4 года назад +1

    Thanks for the good info. I have a Quick Mill HX, so I assume the internals are similar to your model. My manual states that the machine should "reach temperature in approximately 15 minutes, but to make
    delicious espresso with thick rich crema it is necessary to allow the machine to be heated for 30-45 minutes with the portafilter kept in the grouphead."
    What I don't see in your video is what the extra 30 minutes of heating time is actually doing, given that the boiler has reached its maximum after 15 minutes. Do you?

    • @Wholelattelovepage
      @Wholelattelovepage  4 года назад

      Hi Rich, I sure do! That extra time allows the group head to reach full temperature. In E61 groups there's a thermo-siphon which through convection is constantly circulating water through the group to heat it up. In order to get stable brew temps the group must be fully warmed prior to use. In this type of machine full heating of all the metal in the group head does take about 30 minutes.
      Marc

    • @brozbro
      @brozbro 4 года назад

      @@Wholelattelovepage I thought releasing water thru the group head prior to pulling the shot was supposed to do that. In a world of espresso nits this is just one more to pick.

    • @kekelapp0r
      @kekelapp0r 3 года назад

      @@brozbro In HX machines, releasing water before pulling the shot is actually known as a "cooling flush" that gets rid of the water that has heated up too much in the HX. Just letting water run through the group head will only contribute a little to heating it up faster, but it takes a lot of time (and water) to heat it up completely.

  • @petarrusev1259
    @petarrusev1259 8 лет назад

    Very useful video! :) Thank you WWL guys! I need Todd's advice, please! Dear Todd, do you recommend to use blind filter and set the rotary pump pressure to 10 bar, as you already showed this for vibration pump on Expobar Brewtus? ... And what is going on with the Alex Duetto Review and comparison video? Thank you! :)

    • @Wholelattelovepage
      @Wholelattelovepage  8 лет назад

      +Petar Rusev Hi Petar, Yes, we recommend setting pressure to 10 bar with the blind basket in place - that will give you ~9 bar when actually brewing. Sorry on the Duetto review. Still on the list but other priorities at the moment. Wish there were more hours in the day!!!

    • @petarrusev1259
      @petarrusev1259 8 лет назад

      Thank you WWL guys! I know that you are # 1! 😃 I am happy to hear that Alex Ditto III is in your list with forthcoming reviews, because I think it deserves it! BTW, I see the decrease in its price compared to those of R58 V2. In the US ADIII is cheaper than R58 V2, while in Europe the ADIII has equal or a bit higher price than R58 V2. I saw that ECM, ADIII and R58 V2 have one and the same E61 brew group, which lead me to the conclusion that all of them are produced in Bezzera factory. Only Expobar has their own newsgroup with the cavity around the water diffuser. So, I will be more than happy to see your comparison video between Alex Ditto III, Rocket R58 V2 and Expobar Brewtus -R. 😃

    • @Wholelattelovepage
      @Wholelattelovepage  8 лет назад

      +Petar Rusev Hi Petar, Can assure you that ECM, AD, Rocket and Bezzera machines are not assembled in the same factory. They may share some components made by other manufacturers but machines are made in their own shops.

    • @petarrusev1259
      @petarrusev1259 8 лет назад

      Hi guys, Sorry about my inaccurate expression! Yes of course, that they are being produced separately. I meant that only their E61 brew group are one and the same. If you look them below the brew head, you will see that the diffusers are the same. Only Expobar brew head design is different. BTW, has the Faema E61 patent expired already on 2011?

  • @chaoswr
    @chaoswr 5 лет назад

    So there are actually two reservoirs - 1. the boiler 2. heat exchanger and top chamber.
    The pressure gauge and the pump setting only relate to the boiler, but the brew pressure is needed at the top chamber. Can you explain this discrepancy?

    • @Wholelattelovepage
      @Wholelattelovepage  5 лет назад

      Hi c, Thanks for the question. A little unsure of what you are referring to. One gauge measures pressure in the section of the boiler producing steam. The brew pressure gauge measures pressure in the brewing circuit - water which comes from the heat exchange section of the boiler. That's only active when brewing.

  • @moulayelalami3042
    @moulayelalami3042 5 лет назад

    Bonjour, même si je comprend pas beaucoup l'Anglais c'est tellement bien détailler qu'on vois les étapes, merci j'aurais aimer avoir cette vidéo en français ça aurait été le pied

  • @Jodiejjp
    @Jodiejjp 3 месяца назад +2

    I still don’t understand how the coffee water goes through the tiny hole in the handle thing where you actually put in the coffee! Why is there literally no video explaining this part! 😂

  • @graphene1487
    @graphene1487 3 года назад

    played at .5 speed is a stoner's paradise. Real trip.

    • @Wholelattelovepage
      @Wholelattelovepage  3 года назад +1

      OMG, bringing back high school memories - thanks!
      Marc

    • @graphene1487
      @graphene1487 3 года назад

      @@Wholelattelovepage like the Magic School Bus mannnn 🧙‍♂️🥬🔥

  • @mileszhong9308
    @mileszhong9308 2 года назад +1

    I watched a lot of e61 videos and when I saw these replica structures I thought they were tampered with. I think the correct logic should be that the boiler should be linked to the pressure relief device below when the tie rod is closed, at which point the pressure generated when the boiler is heated can be released in time, and conversely when the tie rod is opened the pressure relief device is closed to ensure extraction pressure.

    • @Wholelattelovepage
      @Wholelattelovepage  2 года назад

      Hi mz, Thanks for the comment. Not sure I follow what you mean.

  • @corneligel1449
    @corneligel1449 3 года назад

    Is there any heat exchanger machine available, that does not have a teflon tube inside the small boiler section?

    • @corneligel1449
      @corneligel1449 3 года назад

      Thanks! The video is very informative.

    • @Wholelattelovepage
      @Wholelattelovepage  3 года назад

      Hi CG, I'm checking on Rocket but I know for certain Crem machines do not have a Teflon tube in the boilers. Check out current Crem machines here: www.wholelattelove.com/collections/semi-automatic-espresso-machines?_=pf&pf_v_brand=Crem

  • @nightcoder5k
    @nightcoder5k 3 года назад

    Do the lines have to coil like that? If so, what's the purpose?

    • @Wholelattelovepage
      @Wholelattelovepage  3 года назад +1

      Hi Coder, Great question! I do not know the answer with 100% confidence but it's likely to keep excessive heat and/or water from getting to the gauge.