Carmelo learned the triangle. He even said Phil was impressed with how fast he learned it. The triangle sucked in New York cause they lacked the personnel cause Phil sucked at his job.
@@dtp_drip2659 I’m just saying Phil making the decisions for someone to properly coach and execute his system on the court. He’s in charge. Why does the team still suck.
Facts. Every time melo talks about the triangle it’s like he doesn’t understand it. Similar to a kid getting called on to answer a question they never studied
Michael Jordan hates it bcuz of two reason. One he didn’t wanted certain who can’t shoot to end up with the ball and miss a shot especially in the closing moments of a game and two the triangle offense becomes monotonous with its moves and opposing players eventually read the passing lanes and shot down your offense. That’s is MJ told Phil we will run the triangle but in the forth quarter I’m taking over. An example of triangle shutting down is the Bulls vs Knicks in the 1994 playoffs. Derick Harper was reading those passing lanes of the Bulls and Phil use I think it was English from the bulls to take Derrick out to bring balance to that series. Derrick was suspended and the bulls carry the series to 7 games. They eventually lost bcuz of Derrick came back from suspension.
Triangle is amazing. My friend being a college coach also told me you can run it with everyone because your players have to all understand it and he cant get kids to pick it up fast enough to actually use it.
It didn’t work for Carmelo because teams cause help from the baseline like that seen in the clip if someone didn’t that in the 90s it would be called a violation for illegal defense
Carmelo knew the triangle but the Knicks didn't have the players to make the triangle successful...yes Phil put Derrick rose, a career 30% 3pt shooter, in the corner to space Melo in the post 🤦🏿♂️
But Melo learned the triangle. Phil however didn't put the right team around him. Also, it's a dead offensive scheme in the modern NBA because it doesn't create optimal looks or spacing anymore. Also, there are triangle elements in almost every scheme so it's not as difficult to defend, and it's also extremely predictable. Melo even explained this perfectly on JJ Redick's podcast.
@@robk6831 how many triangle sets do the warriors run a game? thats the whole point. have u ever seen steve kerr run triangle for an entire game? or a quarter? lol
@@robk6831 motion offense isn't the same as triangle. they barely run triangle sets. you are lying for no reason. liking ur own messages just make u seem like a nerd btw
@Jayvawn Phil absolutely forced it but Chill's implication here intentionally or otherwise is that Melo didn't have the Basketball acumen to pick it up. I would argue it's more about him being unwilling to change than anything.
Why is everyone up here acting like Melo was some cerebral playmaker? He was a scorer. Thats it. He was not known for finding other guys. That's part of it too
Triangle is simple. That’s why Rodman and Shack could run it. Melo/Nicks ran it without issue. The triangle offense was not the problem. It was the Nicks defense.
@@sunavagunn8983 Everybody has an opportunity to touch the ball, but I didn't want Bill Cartwright to have the ball with five seconds left. That's not equal-opportunity offense, that's f--king bulls--t"
In the triangle offense the big man centralizes everyone. Look at the diagram at the bottom. The 5’s positioning determines the other guys’ in a way no other position in this version of the triangle does.
You didn't understand what he said. He said the triangle was originally formulated around the big man. Not that it was originally formed around Shaq. He used Shaq's name to show you how well Shaq did in it because it was formulated around the C.
It was TAILORED FOR THE BIG MAN, meaning that the principles were created when THE BIG MAN ruled the game. He wasn’t talking about Shaq. And Shaq honestly never picked it up. He says ALLLLLLLLLL THE TIME that coaching DOES NOT MATTER. Shaq is not intelligent at all. It worked bc of Kobe tbh…and even he took a long time to get it.
So we not gonna mention Stoudamire, JR, Tyson Chandler, Shumpert, Jason Kidd, Raymond Felton, KMart, Marcus Camby? Nah just the two random bench players on that team? Aight
@@OnTh3Mov3You’re saying those names like any of those players were consistent all stars. Camby an even weaker Gobert, Jr smith an inconsistent scorer, Raymond Felton lmao, K Mart was ok, Amare injury riddled but none of these players were really that good
@@WindyCityNick Okay but why bring up Pippen and Rodman, then bring up two guys at the end of the bench like that was the Knicks Big3?? That’s like me saying MJ had Pippen n Rodman while LeBron only had Damon Jones n Donyell Marshall in 2007… If you gotta try to manipulate the facts to make your point, it just makes you look stupid G
Dennis is very smart but he picked it up so quickly when he came to Chicago because he was use to defending it!
I totally forgot that he was already exposed to it and I think they even beat it in 90
Carmelo learned the triangle. He even said Phil was impressed with how fast he learned it. The triangle sucked in New York cause they lacked the personnel cause Phil sucked at his job.
Yea cuz Phil was just a bad GM and Mike Woodson wasn’t a good coach to coach that offense
@@mamadoubarrie6607 I guess Derek Fisher and Jeff Hornacek weren’t up to the task either.
@@brycetheoddballthey weren’t? What point were you trying to make?
@@dtp_drip2659 I’m just saying Phil making the decisions for someone to properly coach and execute his system on the court. He’s in charge. Why does the team still suck.
@@brycetheoddballyeah I mean their resumes aren’t great as coaches either and they haven’t been back head coaching for obvious reasons
Facts. Every time melo talks about the triangle it’s like he doesn’t understand it. Similar to a kid getting called on to answer a question they never studied
Michael Jordan hates it bcuz of two reason. One he didn’t wanted certain who can’t shoot to end up with the ball and miss a shot especially in the closing moments of a game and two the triangle offense becomes monotonous with its moves and opposing players eventually read the passing lanes and shot down your offense. That’s is MJ told Phil we will run the triangle but in the forth quarter I’m taking over. An example of triangle shutting down is the Bulls vs Knicks in the 1994 playoffs. Derick Harper was reading those passing lanes of the Bulls and Phil use I think it was English from the bulls to take Derrick out to bring balance to that series. Derrick was suspended and the bulls carry the series to 7 games. They eventually lost bcuz of Derrick came back from suspension.
Rodman had years of success defending the triangle to his credit when he ‘learned’ it.
The triangle with get you ran in this era , it was great for that era… nowadays… not happening.
No it wouldn't
There are still triangle offense concepts ran to this day just spaced out to the 3 point line
Golden State has done pretty well running motion and triangle sets.
In an era that doesn't run plays or play defense ? C'mon
@@Mike-xh1qy wrong ? 👎👎 Standing around waiting for the ball is not offense
Triangle is amazing. My friend being a college coach also told me you can run it with everyone because your players have to all understand it and he cant get kids to pick it up fast enough to actually use it.
It didn’t work for Carmelo because teams cause help from the baseline like that seen in the clip if someone didn’t that in the 90s it would be called a violation for illegal defense
The lakers went back to back with the triangle offense in the same era
False. Stop speaking on eras you haven't seen.
@@savcitynineties4845 with shaq….
@@sideshowbobsaget8876 you don’t know ball shut up if u don’t know the rules
@@sideshowbobsaget8876 learn the rules dummy🤦🏽♂️
same goes to every offense, it’s not for everybody, that’s why they fill on players that fit to the system
If you’re gonna talk about the triangle how about a shoutout to Tex Winter
R.I.P.......
The insinuation is that Melo isn't too bright 😂😂😂
Carmelo knew the triangle but the Knicks didn't have the players to make the triangle successful...yes Phil put Derrick rose, a career 30% 3pt shooter, in the corner to space Melo in the post 🤦🏿♂️
These are facts Chill some people don’t realize it’s much tougher to play in an offense like this vs trying to do it your way.
Triangle requires every player to have a high basketball iq and passing skill
He did all that and didn't say anything about Kobe this guy is wild
A lot of these athletes never made to Geometry , they graduated with that Algebra1 knowledge only 😂
But Melo learned the triangle. Phil however didn't put the right team around him. Also, it's a dead offensive scheme in the modern NBA because it doesn't create optimal looks or spacing anymore. Also, there are triangle elements in almost every scheme so it's not as difficult to defend, and it's also extremely predictable. Melo even explained this perfectly on JJ Redick's podcast.
This is the truth right here
Golden State seems to have done okay running motion and triangle sets.
@@robk6831 how many triangle sets do the warriors run a game? thats the whole point. have u ever seen steve kerr run triangle for an entire game? or a quarter? lol
@@Axzide it's motion offense, they constantly run triangle. Low post, high post, half court. Try watching the game.
@@robk6831 motion offense isn't the same as triangle. they barely run triangle sets. you are lying for no reason. liking ur own messages just make u seem like a nerd btw
Everyone has figured out the triangle. It was ahead of its time at the time. Like everything else its not out of date.
dennis playd da triangle in detroit.......r.i.p. tex winters .....
Honest question... was Melo unable to pick it up, or unwilling to try?
Both. Even if he tries, it wouldn’t have resulted in much anyway. Phil forced a system on a team that clearly did not fit whatsoever.
@Jayvawn Phil absolutely forced it but Chill's implication here intentionally or otherwise is that Melo didn't have the Basketball acumen to pick it up. I would argue it's more about him being unwilling to change than anything.
Carmelo Anthony is dumb. He threw his marriage away for hoe$ and couldn't run the triangle.
Why is everyone up here acting like Melo was some cerebral playmaker? He was a scorer. Thats it. He was not known for finding other guys. That's part of it too
Triangle is simple. That’s why Rodman and Shack could run it. Melo/Nicks ran it without issue. The triangle offense was not the problem. It was the Nicks defense.
THANK YOU CHILL I been saying Dennis Rodman IQ and passing ability was underrated
He low key just said Carmelo is stupid
Now I said this before but I’ll say it since the topic is here, Mike was not Kobe in the triangle, Mike was Shaq. Now discuss this take.
Poor Tex
Facts ‼️
Why are they showing phil jackson instead of tex winter
Melo was not a bozo
Didn't they put markers on the floor so people knew where to stand in the triangle offense
The triangle only works if you have Michael
Jordan Scottie pippen Kobe and Shaq 😭
Oh he is intelligent. Unfortunately his personal issues go way beyond it.
This dude just called Melo dumb
Yeah. It’s a lot of dumb basketball players, usually they’re the ones that rely on athleticism for their careers.
You have to have atleast 4 lockdown defenders because the triangle offense is overrated and doesn’t really work like they claim💯
Cap
Conveniently left out Kobe. Lol...I doubt LeBron will be able to excel in this offense as well. He doesn't do well off ball.
Triangle Offense aka Triple Post Offense
How do you know mike hated the triangle offense?
Chill does mention how it goes against MJ's style of play as an isolation scorer. Even MJ said he hated the fact that he had to give up the ball.
@@Kai-Soh the fact that he was still a god tier scorer for that offense says otherwise. Where can I hear Jordan say that?
@@sunavagunn8983 Everybody has an opportunity to touch the ball, but I didn't want Bill Cartwright to have the ball with five seconds left. That's not equal-opportunity offense, that's f--king bulls--t"
@@Axzide that's common sense, wtf you talking bout
@@sunavagunn8983 thats the jordan quote buddy.
Basically he calling melo dumb
lol its like Dennis said its not that hard
Now explain how smart Kobe was and how Kobe picked it up lol
How was it tailored around Shaq when Phil was doing it before him an Shaq got together 😂
In the triangle offense the big man centralizes everyone. Look at the diagram at the bottom. The 5’s positioning determines the other guys’ in a way no other position in this version of the triangle does.
You didn't understand what he said.
He said the triangle was originally formulated around the big man. Not that it was originally formed around Shaq.
He used Shaq's name to show you how well Shaq did in it because it was formulated around the C.
It was TAILORED FOR THE BIG MAN, meaning that the principles were created when THE BIG MAN ruled the game. He wasn’t talking about Shaq.
And Shaq honestly never picked it up. He says ALLLLLLLLLL THE TIME that coaching DOES NOT MATTER.
Shaq is not intelligent at all. It worked bc of Kobe tbh…and even he took a long time to get it.
Cut the crap man
If Melo had Pippen and Rodman they woulda won a chip in 2013
But he had steve novak and pablo prigioni instead
So we not gonna mention Stoudamire, JR, Tyson Chandler, Shumpert, Jason Kidd, Raymond Felton, KMart, Marcus Camby?
Nah just the two random bench players on that team? Aight
@@OnTh3Mov3You’re saying those names like any of those players were consistent all stars. Camby an even weaker Gobert, Jr smith an inconsistent scorer, Raymond Felton lmao, K Mart was ok, Amare injury riddled but none of these players were really that good
@@WindyCityNick Okay but why bring up Pippen and Rodman, then bring up two guys at the end of the bench like that was the Knicks Big3??
That’s like me saying MJ had Pippen n Rodman while LeBron only had Damon Jones n Donyell Marshall in 2007… If you gotta try to manipulate the facts to make your point, it just makes you look stupid G
@@OnTh3Mov3the only players worth mentioning were the first 3. I don’t even remember Marcus camby playing with Melo.
See these takes are wild. As others pointed out, you're leaving out all context. Corny
I heard Carmelo dumb 😅😂
Shaq doesn't have a high basketball IQ. Like AT ALL
Rodman is the smartest role player EVER
Chill Town won't say it. I got you OG. I'll say it. Carmelo Anthony is dumb.
Its a triangle. It’s the simplest offense of all time. He won with jordan & pippen then shaq & kobe..
Dude ur a broken clock
Gtfo it’s basic