How Vince Taylor Became The Inspiration for Ziggy Stardust by David Bowie [mini-documentary]
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2023
- According to David Bowie himself, Vince Taylor was the inspiration behind Ziggy Stardust. Vince Taylor was a British rocker who had a rather tragic and surreal short-lived career in the late 50s and early 60s. Even though he never became a household name in the UK, he enjoyed huge popularity in several European countries. His live performances were so wild and exciting that many of his concerts ended up with the crowd rioting. By 1965, he took a liking to LSD and both his career and his mental health went down the drain. Taylor would appear on stage proclaiming he was the coming messiah. This mini-documentary takes a look at his life and career as well as exploring his influence on the Ziggy Stardust character.
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He looked much alike Elvis, lived like Jim Morrison and finished as Syd Barret... a real Rolling Stone.
Ziggy Stardust makes a lot more sense, now. It was a brilliant album. Starman, Hang on to Yourself, Suffragette City- some of the best music ever made.
Some say Ziggy was about Jimi Hendrix.
@@daveadam435or a combination of Hendrix and Iggy Pop
@@michaelward9880 Some even say it's about Marc Bolan, & that Bowie had a prediction about Marc Bolans future,,,,.or lack of future......Screwed down hair do, & all that.......Rock & roll suicide !!
@daveadam435 yes. Hendrix played it left hand and wore kimonos "like some cat from. Japan" . Screwed down hairdo could be his process that he had in the early days. Ziggy, Iggy. Iggy Pop was a total debauched rock star at the time and he and Bowie were friends.
@@michaelward9880 Don't like being Contradictory, but Ziggy was writing in 1970 before he met Iggy in 71. In fact Ziggy & Lady stardust were both written before Hunky Dory album was even recorded. . But it's about Vince Taylor anyway .
How interesting, I am bewildered that this figure went so forgotten throughout the years. Bowie’s voice, enthusiastically presenting this guy, shows that this topic is to be taken into serious account.
What a gripping story. I'll bet most of the people who were saying "Who the hell was Vince Taylor?" at the start of this video won't be asking that again. Thanks for posting!
Bowie also mentioned that label mate The legendary stardust cowboy is where he got the name
The first thing that came to mind when I saw that Paris show was Jim Morrison and The Doors.
He made three great singles, the second for Parlophone, Brand New Cadillac, and both sides of his two Palette singles. But apart from that, he recorded virtually all covers of well known hits from other artists. But on stage, he put his own stamp into them, and made them sound wild, which is obviously what excited his fans. His most intelligent compilation is the one on the Ace label, but he also has compilations on Bear Family and Universal/Palette.
Agreed, his early British singles are his best, although I own several of his French EPs and, while not as good, they're still a lot of fun to listen to.
@@YesterdaysPapers But even during his early better, but brief British recording days, he couldn't resist a few U.S. covers. Both sides of his first UK Parlophone single were U.S. Sun label covers of which he may have heard in the States before returning to the UK, I Like Love, originally recorded in the States by Roy Orbison, and Right Behind You Baby, originally released in the States by Ray Smith, but written by then-labelmate Charlie Rich who eventually recorded his own version. The B side of Vince's second UK Parlophone single was his version of the Johnny Ace U.S. hit Pledging My Love, but already covered by a number of U.S. artists, and of which the tune was borrowed from a standard song, Stewball, and of which John Lennon borrowed again for his classic hit Happy Christmas, War Is Over. The A side of Vince's second Palette single was his cover of Ronnie Hawkins' Watcha Gonna Do, but Vince's version was more moving.
Oh wow! I just watched a documentary about Vince last night!…cool, also I definitely would not mess with that lady who punched up the Teddy😂
The lady was an actor and it was scripted.
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Yeah, even though…
What a fabulous rockumentary! You’ve really excelled yourself this time.
To see London and other places like that, with the cars and fashions of those times, with a great story to tell as well, made this an unexpected joy and a first class treat.
I had heard Vince Taylor mentioned by Bowie and others and heard he was crazy, but you joined all the dots together that I had had as a brief outline and you brought it all to life for me and all the other viewers.
There should be some sort of award for independent productions like this on RUclips. And you should win it - hands down! 👍👍
Thanks!
This was a fantastic episode, it really is... bloody brilliant. Also a sad story, in a sense, beautifully explained. It easily deserves a place in the Top 3 of your videos! Did I tell you I *adore* your channel? 💖
Thanks!
Although before my time, this was another very engaging and informative episode. Once again, it shows thorough afterthought! I had heard of Vince Taylor and enjoyed Golden Earring and the Clash being briefly touched upon. Amusingly, I found the lady who wiped the floor with the Teddy Boys! Glad she wasn't my mother 😂! And then the riots in Belgium and the Netherlands! Even before the Rolling Stones at the Scheveningen Kurhaus in 1964 so! Also interesting that you discuss the friendship between Stash de Rola, Brian Jones, Vince Taylor and the other Stones members. Too bad his life eventually ended dramatically like Brian Jones'...
Cheers, Edwin. Glad you enjoyed the video!
It’s an incredible story, no wonder Bowie picked up on it. “Brand New Cadillac” is brilliant.
Thank you for this.
6:57 The guitar solo in "Jet Black Machine" was played by Joe Moretti. Moretti also played the solo on "Shakin' All Over" by Johnny Kidd & The Pirates. -Bear Family Records
Fascinating!! I hadn't been aware of this story. R.I.P.
This was fascinating! As a longtime fan of Golden Earring, I knew of Vince Taylor from the band’s tribute song, but had absolutely no clue his life was the inspiration for Bowie’s Ziggy Stardust. What a dreadful shame Vince burned out so early, he was original. Elvis was surely watching Vince’s stage antics too, he certainly borrowed heavily from them. I know I’ve said it before YP, but this was exceptional and I thank you kindly for the exhaustive hours you must spend researching, in order to bring these videos to us.
Thanks, Linda!
When he complained about the band wanting their money,I saw parallels with Peter Green after he had had his own unwitting dose of acid.
@@barbarakirk3064 Sadly, both became acid casualties.
Absolutely 0 chance Elvis ever heard of Taylor
Great one, i remember reading about him once ,there was a magazine doing one on nutters, syd barrett, roky erickson , alex harvey, and others. Whenever I am in the supermarket and i see Mateus Rose in that flat round bottle i think of Vince Taylor.
Great showman and rock and roll singer no one moved like Taylor first acquired a copy of Jet Black Machine in 1962 a very unusual and outstanding recording
here in the U.S. i dont think Vince was really known at all, i first learned about him in the early 90s because i was very into Rockabilly and the vintage acts and i used t get a lot of things from Norton records and buy the Ugly Things magazines etc.. but still i only knew that he looked great and had some serious mental issues. this was really interesting.
I know a guy that had the same reaction to LSD. If so.eone cant handle it or maybe its a chemistry thing but the mind is nothing to just play with. Anyway, his girlfriend put acid in his drink and he was like mental for the rest of his life. I had known this guy for hears before it happened. Childhood, neighborhood friends. Going to the roller rink with him and his brither, my brother and just all friends. He was outgoing, funny and not a shy guy. Next time I saw him I smiled and said hey JD, and he looked at me and I thought he was joking. He looked so serious and just stared at me for a while and I said hello again and he nods at me but he got all quiet and someone took me aside and had to tell me he had been in a bad way since like a few weeks now after LSD..well it never got better it just got worse ..I basically lost the friend I knew and he was replaced with someone else that didnt seem to know me and I didnt know him!! Very sad.
It’s not the drug per se, it’s the persons mental state.
Childhood friend of mine got heavy into cocaine and he just went bonkers! Things like talking to himself while looking in the mirror, laughing for no reason, or at inappropriate times, deep blank stare while not saying anything, almost like he was staring right through me. He completely lost it.
I was always kind to him, even when he would act up. He ended up dying in 2020.
RIP Rick D.
For that matter, Bobbie Clarke (who died in 2014 age 74) is obviously a very important figure with a long, distinguished, and varied career. If you went by Nik Cohn, the only famous drummer in London with the surname Clarke or Clark was Dave.
Absolutely brilliant! I realise now how influential he was to David Bowie and Ziggy Stardust.
Saw Golden Earring twice as a backup band to a major band, and both times they blew away the main act. Ziggy Stardust remains my favorite Bowie Album. Never HEARD of this guy! Thank you!!!
I had heard his named mentioned when I was younger..heard about Brand New Cadillac.
With RUclips I managed to see a couple of documentaries about him and they were good.
Yours is the best yet..a very concise and respectful overview of the man.
It's too bad it ended so badly...but what a character.
Well done.
Cheers!
Normally, I'm a writer of too many words. I'm left with only, such a shame. A talent whose claim to fame will forever be a few moments of glory and a lasting influence on many others.
Thanks, YP
Cheers, Fab Gear!
This episode is brilliant in so many ways!
Punk before punk. I can see more Sid Vicious than Ziggy in Vince. But I can see the trajectory of Vince in Ziggy..’when the kids had killed the man…” and Rock and Roll Suicide. Awesome vid, thoroughly enjoyed it.
Thanks.
I had no idea about this guy, incredibly. I know Bowie was also very intrigued by Syd Barrett and I'm familiar with the fascination with the tragedy of these people with schizophrenia who have a burst of intense artistic brilliance before the illness makes it impossible for them to work. Peter Green too, of course. Obviously not everyone with the illness is creative. But often those who are are particularly different to the other artistic stuff going on around them.
Peter Green had NO mental illness at all before & during the bulk of his prolific creative career. It was the LSD secretly given to him that destroyed his brain. He was until that point, a natural creative genius and ordinary guy. That is the ultimate tragedy of Peter. R.I.P.
Amazing how often that people diagnosed with schizophrenia in early adulthood (it's almost always early adulthood) were totally normal people before their first psychotic episode.@@davedewsnap288
Wasn't Bowie's older brother or half brother schizophrenic? Terry was his name? That close contact may have begun Bowie's fascination.
Thanks for picking up where BBC Arena left off. As a 50s music freak it's been a delight to discover all these groundbreaking artists across the pond, pre Beatles
Five stars to this video, no less. Tony Sheridan, Jimmy Page, "You know my name" and so on... Amazing great job, once again. Hats off.
This was fantastic
Your best video so far
Keep up the great content
Thanks!
No need to ask where Alvin Stardust's persona came from!
You do such good work. Always a pleasure to view your stuff. Absolutely top shelf!
Fantastic doc, thanks so much for this.
Once again an informative video. Thanks for the hard work.
Entertaining and informative as always. Teaching me something I didn't know.
Another fascinating presentation. Thankyou xxx.
Wow , more history I was unaware of. Great job !
Vince was great and he had a great band. A true badass, especially for the time. Drummer was one of the original double-kick drummers in a rock band and he actually used them.
Superb video!!! Top-notch research, writing and presentation/production. Incredibly enjoyed and appreciated.
What a great little documentary! You edited this one perfectly.
Great documentary. Channel just keeps getting better.
Oh love this episode. So we’ll done. We start to get more obscure rockabilly hits from the 50s. I really hope you cover the 50s as well moving forward. Easily one of my favorite music channels on RUclips. No one is doing what you do.
Amazing story. Terrific production
Lovely out going piano version of Ziggy. Great work as usual
Wow. Don’t know where to begin with this one. First of all, I’d like to say that, at a very formative stage when I was very young, I read Nik Cohn’s book “Awopbopaloobop Alopbamboom” (originally published here in the States as “Rock From the Beginning”) so many times that my paperback copy fell apart and I had to carry around with me in a plastic sandwich bag to hold it together. Cohn’s writing style and judgments were really cool to me at the time; they have since palled considerably. I no longer find his anarchic and self-indulgent manner in that book at all appealing. And he was simply flat wrong about many, many things, including the importance and staying power of many bands; for example, the Grateful Dead who, whether you love them or not, became the quintessential American rock and roll band and earn not even a mention in even the revised early ‘70s edition of Cohn’s book. The fact that Cohn and I agree that The Rolling Stones are our favorite rock band does not diminish my present-day disillusionment with the book.
What is most galling about Cohn’s book is the myriad number of glaring omissions he made. Here I am in my late 60s and, until this video, had barely heard of Vince Taylor, though he quite obviously was an important influence in ‘60s London rock, especially for the very young David Jones/Bowie. Taylor rates not a single mention in Cohn’s ostensibly canonical opus.
That said, the fascinating and sad saga of Vince Taylor was quite illuminating. Thank you again, YP, for this.
Cheers!
If anyone doesn’t see the incredible staying power of the Dead, they are blind
Cohn a bog Standard nme hack on meth.
Thank you for another incredible video… The story was extraordinarily fascinating. As much as I know about music, especially English music, I can’t believe I’ve never heard of this guy…
this was so fun. i knew of vince taylor and heard some of his stuff. but this video really showcased his ability and rapturous energy. plus i just love all those fun graphics...holy editing software, batman!
that lady who didn't like teddy boys really had nothing to do with this topic but she may have been my favorite part.
Thanks, John!
Yes the "Lady" was a gem, must have had a few brothers, reminds me of my sister who beat me over the head with a sweeping brush!?!
Thank you for featuring eye & ear opening chapters on Vince, David Such & ,in particular, Guy Stevens. I hope this series on the “lesser lights” continues. Greatly enjoyed the brief “ziggy” piano outro.
Great documentary, thanks
Rather a dark story, but a hidden jigsaw piece of the scene.
That was fascinating. I was glued to the screen the whole time. It held my attention.
Thanks Chris! Glad you enjoyed the video.
Woman from 4:28 forward is so funny! This must be the kind of british television what Monty Python based many of their sketches on.
I thought she had a look of Terry Jones, crossed with Alex Harvey!
I didn't really know about Vince Taylor ... but now I do. Excellent video.
Fascinating episode - yet another! Thank you
You know when you have the feeling that some piece of a puzzle is the rarest to find, and then you find it? Well, this is how I feel about this story.
Yesterday, this was awesome!! A lot I didn’t know and some killer footage and photos I’ve never seen before! Excellent job!! Top notch!!! Cheers!!!
Thanks Jon! Glad you enjoyed it. Vince Taylor's story is fascinating.
Wonder if Vince Taylor inspired the Jetsons character Jet Screamer as well.
Fascinating. Thank you.
I worked for Hanna Barbara in Hollywood at one time, but never knew of this connection with Vince Taylor. Mr. Barbara was a pretty straight-laced guy.
Tremendous job. We really enjoyed this. History truly rocks!
Thanks!
Damn! That is one heck of a mini doc, YP. I'm not unfamiliar with Vince or his story BUT... this presentation was top tier. Loved it (and you!) 🙏❤🔥
Thank you very much, Rachel!
Cool. How about a mention of the namesake of Ziggy, the Legendary Stardust Cowboy? Love all you do.
Ziggy came from a store name he saw while riding a train, it was Ziggy's Tailor Shop
Wow! Great video
Wow, that was great. What a story, it would make a great movie!
Wow. Learned a lot. Ziggy Stardust makes so much more sense now.
Moon tan was one of my favourite albums back in the day and I always wondered, who was this Vince Taylor. Thanks to this incredible documentary, now I know, along with its connection to the stellar Ziggy Stardust album and the legendary David Bowie.
Nice work!
I like these documentary type vids, the Johnny Kidd one was great too, more like this please!
Thanks!
Well done!!!!
Wow ! I love his onstage rolling and falling about more than the music ! But what a wonderful character !
Never heard of him before now .
For a moment I thought that strange woman at 4.30 talking about punching Teddy Boys on the nose was Peter Cook in drag from the Pete and Dud Show.
Hahaha!
"Vince Taylor used to live here/No one's even heard of him/Just who he was/Just where he fits in" -- "Goin' Down Geneva (Van Morrison)
Fantastic!
Thanks for sharing. 😁👍
interesting and well done, Sir.
What a great rockumentary. YP does it again.
Thanks!
Vince Taylor was born in England but was raised in New Jersey. His older sister married the Barbera half of cartoon moguls Hanna & Barbera and the whole family relocated to California. Barbera actually financed Vince’s venture to England to become a musician.
Yes, that’s just what the documentary said.
Super informativ! Danke! 👍👍👍
Great!! thanks!!
Thanks! 👍👍👍
Vince Taylor was a 50's crazy rocker. I love his music.🎉🎉🎉🎉
I think Vince could’ve also been the inspiration for Alvin Stardust especially with the black glove
Probably he would say Thanks Dylan for sent me to madness.
Great documentary, I really enjoyed
He was something else. Even if he recorded only BRAND NEW CADILLAC, great song, THE CLASH did a great version
Brilliant!
His career would have nosedived. Even Elvis himself had trouble staying relevant in the wake of the British explosion.
Either way it's sad that the drugs took his mind as they so nearly took Bowie's years later.
Drugs have taken a few talents and lives away prematurely down the years.
Drugs, including alcohol take far more than they give.
Brilliant ❤
Subbed 👍
Well done
“Just Like Vince Taylor” was NOT included on the U.S. release of ‘Moontan’ - only the UK/Euro release. The US version included a whole re-recording of the amazing ‘Tull’ influenced “Big Tree Blue Sea” complete with Ian Anderson inspired flute played by Barry.
However, for fans like me who bought the US ‘Moontan’ Album, we already had the track “Just Like Vince Taylor” because it was the ‘B’ side of the original full length UK single ‘Radar Love’ in 1973.
thank you for explaining that.....because I"m watching this...and I"m what? THAT song is NOT on Moontan...in fact, I never heard it until I got the live album (which is fantastic as you know). I do love "Big Tree Blue Sea" by the way.
great!
and in other interviews the major influences were the legendary stardust cowboy and iggy pop.
well done
Bowie had an elder brother - "Terry Jones" who was institutionalised his whole life...must have had a big effect as well on david (Man Who Sold the World album etc)
I'd heard Bowie say Taylor was the influence for Ziggy Stardust years ago but this is still interesting to see ❤.
The internet was invented for content like this. Thank you so much Monsieur Yesterdays Papers! ❤❤❤💯 By the way, Iggy and Lust For Life are Vince Taylor-ish as well, no?
Cheers, Nathalie! I don't know if Iggy was influenced by Vince Taylor or not but, whether he knew it or not, both his music and stage persona definitely had a lot in common with Taylor.
The story of Vince Taylor coming back to Paris, an absolute wreck and burning up the money is honestly one of the eeriest most spin chilling stories in rock ‘n’ roll roll I have ever heard
Brand New Cadillac remains one of the greatest British rock 'n' roll songs ever released
If I'm not mistaken the term "cadillac" may have been slang term for overdose at the time rather than the car. Guy was way ahead of his time and clearly an electric performer from various footage I've seen. Should have been a bigger star. Rock On!
this remids me of one of bowies last videos, the next day. in which he is a sort of prophet figure and beams up to space at the end.
Top job, YP - Paul
Thank you very much, Paul!
It has to be in the top 25 Rock albums. Like Deep Purple Machine Head, Mott the Hoople - Mott, Dark Side of the Moon, Chicago II