Isayama: I'm so tired of making this manga Eren: What are you doing? Sit down, author. Did you forget? The reason why you wrote this? Isn't it to hurt your readers? For open the sauna. You have to write this story and keep moving forward. Even if you die, and even after death. This is the story that you started, isn't it?
The reason Eren looked so scared when he kissed Historia's hand was because not only did he see his dad kill the family, but he saw HIS FUTURE SELF TELLING HIS DAD to kill them, which is why he was extremely shocked.
Exactly I had a huge brain blast flash back cause he sees grishas shocked crazy face and then eren has the same face but now we see why he got it so that means eren seen it happed and it messed him up🤯🤯This show is SS++
@@footlong7980 I mean more freaked out yeah but go back and look its literally the exact freaked out face grisha had and we didn’t see why his face was like that we just seen a crazy face like he was going wild while attacking them but now we see in this episode exactly why and when he made that face so eren seen it happened and he was upset about it
Its not that he was scared. It's more like he was disgusted by his father's weakness. He was angry at his father, he loosed all hope for grisha at that moment.
Eren is that one meme of the guy pointing a guy to himself, but unironically. Mans built so different he created a paradox in his own timeline to dictate his own life events. Isayama is astonishingly skilled. The way he weaved time travel into eren's character to portray him as the perpetrator and victim of his own atrocities is absolute genius.
I think he didn't created any paradox. I think that everything here was already meant to happen. Any "influence" he had made, like manipulate his father, was meant to happen. I think he kinda sent his memories, his point of view, his way of thinking to his father. In other words, maybe Grisha was seeing Eren's memories from his point of view; and maybe the powers of the Attack Titan combined with the Coordinate and the royal blood (Zeke) permitted Grisha to feel his sons presence, and even able to see Zeke. Some theories indicates that everytime Grisha saw Zeke, Eren was behind him, so it was like Grisha saw the present through Eren's vision. It wasn't time travel, is was communication through memories across the timeline. I even think Eren has only now interacted to his father's memories to this level because now he's in the Paths and has someone of royal blood with him, hence it would cause some kind of "unlocking" in abilities, that being the capacity of not only have a glimpse of memories, but to "interact" a little more, like he were behind the scenes like that.
The parallel between Attack Titan and Founding Titan is mind-blowing, Founding Titan's power is defined by it's predecessors but the Attack Titan's power is ultimately controlled by it's successors.
The only reason Eren was able to control the actions of his father is because Historia and Rod Reiss showed him the events of what happened, as the Attack Titan is not able to transfer memories to the inheritor he was able to manipulate the circumstances since he had gotten those memories. Otherwise he would only have been able to see the next Attack Titans memories that they showed to him.
And also seek was there for him to help him activate the founder power of memories I think the ability of the attack titan’a receiving memories and the founder’s all around memory manipulation help eren control what grisha sees.
@@alucard8433 huh? isn't it that the attack titan can see both the past holders' memories AND the future holders' memories? when historia and rod touched him, it just let him see a part of that scene, just not grisha giving up in the moment. he then later saw grisha giving up, recontextualizing the moment (causing the shocked face because he was wrong about his father), when he kissed historia.
@@hyunweewoo Pretty sure the attack Titan could only see visions from its future inheritors and because of Rod and Historia he was able to see the past and im pretty sure when he kissed Historia's hand he saw his dad give up on that day and saw himself standing next to him, after he kissed Historia's hand you no longer hear Eren's inner monologue. It was only after Rod and Historia originally touched him that he was able to see his dad's memories.
Remember Levi in Season 1 talking about Eren: "He is a real Monster, and im not talking about his titan abilities. No matter how hard he’s restrained, no matter what cage he’s put inside. He will never submit." Eren has always been the way he is since birth.
@@ad7265 yea its crazy, that every single attack titan to this point, was led by eren, including his younger self. That is why the attack titan has always fought for freedom and advancement. That is not a Attack titan trait... It's Eren's traits being passed down all the previous titans to lead to this very moment. Like Kruger getting the attack titan, finding grisha and giving him the titan, then sending grisha inside the walls, having another kid and then grisha giving it to eren... All these events were written by eren... which is really cool.
*Pre-Discussion* 00:00 Lola moves 01:03 What will happen now? Ymir? Attack Titan? 04:10 Eren and Zeke, Eren's Plan 10:40 Zeke is lonely, Eren has his friends 11:25 Levi 12:13 Gabi and Eren *Reaction* 16:55 Start 20:59 Opening 22:10 Episode continues 32:54 Ending *Discussion* 33:20 The plot of the episode, Historia's hand 38:05 Rod Reiss had to survive 38:55 Attack Titan, Zeke and Eren, Grisha 42:35 Zeke experienced another Grisha 43:49 Grisha could see Zeke, hug scene 45:24 How will this change Zeke? 46:33 Key scene, Mikasa 47:18 Eren saw the future, Did he change the future or was it already set in stone? 49:37 How bad will the rumbling be? The fourth season changed everything 52:19 Zeke
I'm never playing Uno with the Jaeger brothers Eren dressed in black like a devil, Zeke dressed in white like an angel, each on one side of grisha, like the devil and angel on your shoulder whispering in your ear. Fucking genius
I think both Jaeger brothers also look extremely similar to popular depictions of Jesus, in their own ways both are trying to be a messiah, I might also just be looking way too hard into this
"I'm not in danger, Zeke! I'm the danger! A guy opens his door and gets manipulated and you think that of me?! No! I'm the one who manipulates!" - Eren "Heisenberg" Jaeger
@Mr. White It's the same timeline. It happens at the time of the very first episode (s?), even if you didn't see it in the first episode it still happened
@Mr. White sure, maybe I misunderstood what you meant. Still this did happen during Episode 1 (more or less) *Anime viewers read no further* even if things had happened 2000 years before that, the moment this plays is still the first episode, so he's technically correct, I think. But that doesn't matter. I think we're arguing the same thing. He said it's the first episode, which technically is around that time, you're saying Eren's story began way before that and you're also right about that in a way
@Mr. White i was not talking about the aot universe, i was talking about the first episode of the anime - series 1, episode 1, that aired on 7th April 2013. Again, the 1st aired episode itself, not the full timeline of aot universe that contains events that happened before those presented in the 1st episode aired in 2013.
@Mr. White OK, but to clarify, the story may be non linear, but the timeline itself is fixed. Everything that happened was going to occur the way it did, and there's no alternate timeline.
The reason why Grisha appeared to be able to touch both Eren and Zeke is because by way of the Attack Titan's power, Grisha can peek into the memories of future inheritors, and the experience of seeing himself and Zeke from Eren's POV is so surreal that to them, they exist in the same time and space and are thus able to interact with each other as if physically together. That's also why Grisha only sees Zeke from Eren's POV, and never explicitly reacted to Eren's presence, he's essentially staring at an estimation of where Eren's at when he's "looking" at him, when he's actually seeing himself from his POV. Edit: Spoilers in the replies (Be careful)
Your reaction videos mean a lot to me. None of my friends watch AOT, so when I watch u guys it feels like I am watching AOT with some friends. Thanks guys!!
their loss for not watching, atleast i convinced atleast 3/10 of my friends😂 others think this is too childish🙄 its kinda funny that they all watch/read whatever I recommend but when it comes to anime they think its lame kid show
"Let's show the basement" For the child Eren, the basement of Yeager's house For future Eren, the basement of the Reis`s house Two meanings In other words, Isayama is genius
SHeeesh didnt even notice that THAT is what Eren was influencing at that moment, not for him to give Eren the key.DUHH. All this after i thought i finally understood everything this ep
I wouldn't call it influence, I mean. Zeke takes Eren to see Grisha's memories, since Zeke as a founding titan has that power. From Zeke's perspective, everything he is seeing is happening, for Zeke he is seeing in the present the past. For Eren, as an attack titan and the only one who can see the future, he is seeing what has already happened, that is, Eren not only sees what happens (present) but what will happen (future), for which, for Eren, the present is already past. While Grisha is seeing the future, since he is also the attack titan, but from his perspective, he does not see what has already happened, but what will happen, that is why he is able to see Zeke, because he does not see literally Zeke, he sees Eren's memories that are in the future (the present for Zeke and Eren) and that is why he can hug Zeke, since he knows that Eren and Zeke will travel to that moment, also taking advantage of the fact that Grisha can see the future, Eren sends a message to the past, doing what he should do, from Grisha's perspective, he is seeing the future, that is, Eren talking to him, while from Eren's perspective, he is doing what has already happened, while from Zeke's perspective, he sees what's going on.
Remember what Kenny said before: "everyone is a slave of something", that's the point where you can see Eren as a master and a slave of his own desire.
@@ShortGrumpyMidget ...... The quote fits the characters, story and themes of the show...... so why shouldn't people quote it? They shouldn't because its popular? These people aren't "spamming" it to look smart and obnoxious, it simply fits. I REALLY don't get why it bothers you.
They weren't even playing the same game. If Zeke was playing chess against Eren then Eren was playing 4d chess against Zeke. Zeke though he was winning on one board while Eren had already beaten him on twenty others.
“I don't like the terms "good person" or "bad person" because it is impossible to be entirely good to everyone. To some, you are a good person, while to others, you are a bad person.” - Armin Arlert
@@TheCouto11 i assume he means that armin says he hates killing yet, at this point, has the highest kill count in the show. but that doesnt make him a hypocrite imo.
Off topic but he is right (Indirectly credit goes to Isayama). The good and bad concept is created by humans. In nature, there is no good and bad. Nature only does what has to be done in a given scenario.
When Zeke finally tears up and calls Grisha "tosan" (dad or daddy) I straight up ugly cried. Ever since turning in his parents, up to this moment he's been referring to Grisha as "Chichioya" (father) which is so much more cold and formal - "that father," as he put it, like he was referring to someone elses father.
It was also brilliant to go with tou-san instead of otou-san. Tou-san is just short for otou-san but as Zeke's voice was cracking up he said as few syllables as possible.
Still it's so ironic..that even that power...binds attack titan users to pre determinism. They are bound to future...which makes them a slave to their own futures...Grisha, eren...both of them, were slave to their own fate...which they themselves created. Pure ironic beauty.
But only Eren can directly communicate with and dictate the past attack titans since he has both the attack titan and the founding titan, allowing him to access the paths dimension (after touching Zeke) and the past memories of attack titans wherever he sees fit.
That's why the first chapter of AoT called "To You, 2000 years from now." And the upcoming chapter called " From You, 2000 years ago" Almost like Ymir the Founding Titan addressed to Eren in chapter 1, then in next episode, Eren the Attack Titan gonna finally address to Ymir properly. Both of them are bounded by destiny from the both past and future of the entire Titan history.
Eren whispered in Isayama's ear and told him to write this story On a serious note, it's really scary how Grisha, someone who was so anti-Marley and pro-Eldia, saw one glimpse of Eren's plan and was like, "Zeke. You have to stop him." Despite Grisha's hate for Marley and how far he was willing to go, even HE thought his plan was too far. He was genuinely horrified. Whatever Eren's plan is, Grisha does not want it to happen. Speaking of, Zeke and Grisha finally getting to work out their issues and hug each other in a moment of pure love is really heartwarming. Grisha understood his mistakes when raising Zeke before. Instead of only treating him as a tool, he treats him as his son. Zeke is finally able to take his first step towards closure after years of trauma. Even if they had their differences, Grisha and Zeke can at least agree with one thing: Stopping Eren...
well i think maybe if Grisha was younger he mightve agreed with Eren. By the time he got the attack titan, he lost most of his anger. He told Kruger he no longer was the same and saw the shit that his anger and revenge has brought him to. Grisha definitely mellowed out. Even if he wants Eldia's revival, he no longer has the same fury as he did b4.
@@wymg4480 I agree if it was grisha when he became a patriot that encountered the royal family he wouldn’t have hesitated as much don’t know if he’d be willing to kill kids without erens influence tho
@@wymg4480 i don't think it's anger that's fueling Eren, at least not anymore since his conversatiom with Reiner, but rather it's the fire in him that tells him that there is no future for his people. Grisha had that same fire but lost it due to Zeke's heart wrenching betrayal and watching all his comrades die. oof
No one mentions this and its not a spoiler: After watching the next episode you should watch Season 2 Ending, and include it in the reaction. It's pretty interesting to talk about.
Season 2's ending is one of my favorites out of all the op/eds. I could tell we were going that route after seeing the next episode's title. Sooo excited for that!!
Hiroshi Tsuchida's (Grisha va) performance in this episode was phenomenal! Plus Yuki's (Eren) chilling voice! These vas are giving it their all. Props to them! The entire AoT Japanese voice cast are top-tier. 👏👏
It's so meta that Eren has essentially trapped himself in this causal loop by his own doing, an extension of his suffering as a product of his freedom loving nature. He's a slave to the determinism he engineered, a slave to the story and to himself (3x10 Friends). If everything was decided from the start, does Eren even have free will? Isn't it just ironic?
Yeah, zeke is the first ever character that i hated so much, and then, i really like besides dont agree with the plan. Very well made, very different fron cliches like itachi or some shot like that
Same thing with Declaration of War being super intense despite no real action sequences. Two guys and a kid sitting in a basement talking while listening to a stage play upstairs.
Well, now we know that the moment Eren kissed Historia's hand at the end of S3, the Eren we knew then basically died. Poor guy really got mindfucked in the most twisted way possible...no wonder he changed so drastically in his demeanor 😞 MAPPA really elevated the manga this episode! Everything from the voice acting (Grisha's VA went off!!) to the animation was just so beautifully done that I honestly got teary-eyed a couple of times all throughout ❤
i dont think Eren died, what died was our own perception of him up to that point. because he even says it in this chapter that he has always been this way. before kissing Historia's hand, he didn't know anything but the present. so after getting glimpses of the future, he somehow had an idea of what steps to take next and almost nothing would surprise him or make him having a mental breakdown out of impotency, as he did before. so now he seems to be different, he is still the same but with more knowledge hahahsjw and yesss i agree with how amazing MAPPA is doing 🤭
@@martinaherrera3182 Saying that the entire story happens because of Eren's nature" is so ridiculously reductive to the cruel environment that exists out of Eren's control. Because if that's the case, why is it that when Eren and Mikasa run away in 138-Paradis gets invaded and the only way to survive is to run? Eren doesn't go to Liberio or rumble and yet the problem is still there. Making blanket statements about nature for the sake of being dramatic takes away Isayama's purposefully tight and extreme world building. Isayama didn't have to make the world hate Paradisians to such a degree if he wanted to make the point that Eren “would've made the same decisions because of nature." And he wouldn't have created a sekaikei element in the story if "nature" wasn't something that couldn't be changed. And calling it a story that Eren created is also reductive given an entire other character exists Ymir-who existed long before Eren and whose motivations and traumas and decisions were made outisde of Eren's conception. It's impossible to ignore the influence that future memories have on one's behavior/ feelings. So how can you draw strict conclusions on someone's nature when Isayama wrote so many plot devices that challenge that?
Technically, the current Eren has always been in control since the inception of the Attack Titan. It's a time loop, Eren influencing past wielders and even himself so that he ends up at this point in time to do it over and over again. Kruger had Eren's memories, Grisha had memories from Eren, and past Eren had memories and emotions from future Eren. In a sense, there are no Attack Titan wielders, just the Attack Titan, since the very last Attack Titan wielder will always have a dominating will over the past wielders, meaning the Attack Titan wielders in the timeline of AOT that we've experienced has always been just one entity (whoever is the very last wielder). Now, the question is, what future memories Eren has seen to warrant his actions and choose this timeline? Has he only seen his own future memories, or memories from yet another future wielder and Eren is actually the one being controlled, if you can even call him Eren?
Grisha's VA really stole the show in this episode - legendary performance. You can feel the raw emotions just from the man's voice; really makes the scene's heaviness hit home
To explain the future memories bit, the power of the Attack Titan is the power to send memories from its future inheritors back to its past inheritors. That makes it unique from other Titans which can only see memories from the past. The thing with the future memory transfer is that you can't send future memories back to your past self, since the AT only has to power to send the future memories to its past inheritors. There's a loophole, however, which Eren has exploited. If you send future memories to a past inheritor, and then unlock the past memory of that inheritor seeing those future memories, you see your own future memories. Grisha isn't actually seeing Eren. He's seeing himself in the 3rd person from Eren's pov, thus hearing what Eren is saying. It's the same with Zeke, Grisha only sees Zeke when Eren is directly looking at Zeke. When Eren kissed Historia, he unlocked the last of Grisha's memory of Future Eren sending him the future. Thus Eren learned of events which would occur in the future.
so weird that so many people think this. how does that make sense? they can literally touch each other, and it doesn't make sense in context based on grisha's reactions. if he saw it in a memory he would just act like he knew they were there rather than reacting in surprise.
This is actually very wrong. It's interestingly done but also very wrong. You explained a loophole with which Eren can see his own future memories. But thats just unnecessary. Eren can anyway see his future memories because he's the last holderbof the attack titan.
@@shavedata5436 I initially thought about it that way too. It's not so much that Eren can go back in time it's that by combining the power of the attack titan and the founding titan, Eren can essentially be in the past, present and future, simultaneously. In practice, it looks like time traveling back in time, but only because we experience the show through linear time. Like Zeke said in the previous episode, it had felt like ages before Eren woke up at the Paths. Time is not linear at that place, it is everywhere at once.
"rather than let them take my freedom, I will take theirs first", that is like an ultimate boss line,so good, aot is more than action and story, the dialogue the motivation, philosophy of each character are great.
@@nihilisticboi3520 that's a terrible mentality. Responding to ignorance with ignorance, solving nothing but your problem. That means you are nothing better than them. The "they started it" way of thinking is childish.
@@ravio1042 I get Eren's character and why he got to think like that, I was saying what I said for the people encouraging that mentality, thinking it's ok
The way Lola understands the hole plot of the episode afterwards it's incredible. I had to read that chapter two times and search for ytb videos to understand everything that happened. In few words, Eren never changed the past.
In case u don’t remember, eren’s speech to push Grisha is the very same speech the Owl used to push Grisha. Except in the previous scene it was an incredibly motivating and encouraging, and now it is incredibly dark and unsettling. Keep moving forward until the price of our actions is paid.
Something I noticed in my recent rewatch was Owl telling Grisha that he needs to find someone to love inside the walls, or else this cycle of revenge driven by hate will only repeat. We think this is a really uplifting and touching thing for him to say, but SEASON 4.2 SPOILERS he really just meant, "hey, you need to find a wife so you can have a kid that will commit a genocide _so thorough_ that there won't be anybody left to take revenge on us"
The best way to describe the attack titan shenanigans is that eren isn't fighting for freedom because of the attack titan. The attack titan is pursuing freedom because eren possesses it. Thus influencing the entire line of succession in reverse. Essentially in the same way the reiss family is subjected to the will of the first king(karl fritz). All attack titan holders are subjected to the will of future eren.
@@msguy5877 yeah which is made possinle by Rten possesing the Founding. Because Founding can use the paths where past, present and future converges. So any influences made in there can affect the enyire timeline as a whole
Eren gift😍 If you think Eren just used Zeke Here's what Eren did: Eren gave Zeke what he could have wished for. Zeke initially thought he would get emotional support and understanding from Eren because they supposedly shared the same trauma from the same father. Eren could never provide for it, but he gave Zeke what was even better: an apology from his own father, a confession of love.
I think the moment when Eren said "I was disgusted for what my father did" to Zeke, was the fact that Grisha wasn't brave enough to slay the entire Reiss family, that he had lost his true purpose, and that he needs Eren to convince him to do so.
Ah this is one of the scariest episode for me. Absolutely terrified when I read the manga, seeing this animated is great ALSO in the paths everything happens all at the same time, time is not linear.
i read this chapter in the manga about a year ago and remember feeling shock at eren’s actions but also satisfaction at him finally addressing his own nature. i remember first seeing him kill those two men as a nine-year-old boy and wondering about the wrathful, dark drive that consumes him and if the narrative was ever going to make something of it.
Yeah a lot of people forget about that scene as the show went on but it is very important to understanding Eren's character. He has always been slightly crazy and dark under the surface.
other than it was eren or mikasa getting raped and killed, or killing them choices. but yeah after that, kid Eren has no remorse. Some people are just built that way: In *no way* he is letting other deprive him of freedom or his friends
We really all jumped ship from the anime and joined the manga gang at the s4p1 cliffhanger huh. Seems like there's more manga readers than anime only's nowadays
The fact that you figured out the way Erens "future sight works" instantly, something that took manga readers years to understand, shows why you are my favorite reach channel!
A lot of manga readers refuse to understand exactly what it is Eren knew and could do with the power. It's mostly people who can't accept who Eren really is, or didn't understand what they were reading.
@@StickyArrows The worst part is, they've fully and immediately rejected any possibility that they misunderstood anything they read. The notion itself offends them. I would know. Up until the video "this video will change how you see Eren" came out, I was on their side.
this episode made me cry in ways i didn't even know i could. honestly, seeing Grisha going through all of that destroys my heart… he was an amazing character!
@@twenty7395 YES! i was talking about that with some friends, his voice actor is AMAZING! the guy put so much passion and real emotions in his voice acting! all the love and respect for him ❤️
This episode is the greatest episode, of any show, I have ever watched. The twist in this is GOAT status. The writing, the voice acting, the music. All incredible.
In the manga it might have been more clear, but Rod Reiss was running away ahead of his family. He was a coward. Every time he spoke to Freida he was further and further away. Then he fled and didn’t try to save his family.
It looks like some things are starting to make sense, since the conversation between Grisha and Eren Kruger. The king within the walls refused to break his oath to renounce war and protect his people, choosing instead to accept punishment for past sins. The Attack Titan also has its own characteristics: it is independent, meaning it doesn't follow orders from anyone, not even the Founding Titan, and it seems to be the only one of the 9 Titans to have access to the memories of the future. This is an epic level turn around!!!
which is "fun" about attack titan power is that he is independant because of Eren thirst for freedom. He basically is the last one to possessed the attack's titan so his strong need to be free only go down the path through his predecessor. They aren't free, they just follow future visions of Eren
Grisha could see Future Zeke because of the Attack Titan ability Which allow the current inheritor of it to see memories of the future (next) inheritor , in this Case Grisha sees Memories of future Eren who traveled back in time with Zeke to visit Grisha memories , so basically Grisha could see stuff from his own vision and from Eren perspective too . Eren was looking at Zeke at the end of the episode , so Grisha could see Zeke too but never saw future Eren , also if there was another person there besides Grisha, he would see Grisha hugging Air not Zeke , it didn't happen it reality , because Only Grisha could see Zeke (through future Eren perspective)
@@shavedata5436 he didn't actually , all the other stuff he saw was the memories of Future Eren (including looking at Zeke who was there ) , he saw stuff from Eren's perspective , he basically could see himself from TTP when Eren was looking at him (just like when you see yourself when you have a dream , you can sometimes see your full body from another angel) , it's like Grisha and Eren are connected
@@akram.wrld4real I get how that's possible but doesn't make sense in context. Grisha reacts in surprise to seeing Zeke in front of him, not remembering that Zeke can see him and saying something about it. Also they literally touch. This is a clever idea that seems to have caught on but isn't supported by the text.
@@shavedata5436 but in reality they didn't touch , as i said before if there was another person there for example Rodd who escaped eventually , he'd see Grisha hugging Air , only Grisha at that moment could see Zeke from Eren's perspective who was behind them , so technically Grisha could see himself too , it's complicated 😅 remember when Eren started to talk to Grisha ? Did Grisha look at Eren ? No , he could only hear his voice and feel his presence
@@shavedata5436 I'm only talking about this episode , i could be somehow wrong but what i said is the only explanation that makes sense for now , maybe next episodes we'll get more answers , I'm excited to see what happens next , since I'm only an Anime fan not a manga fan
The word 進撃 has two characters: the first one means "moving forward" and the second one means to "attack". I guess Eren had no other way but to keep moving forward because he was a slave to the future himself. Now thinking back to the episode where Eren hurt Mikasa, he said "I am free", I think that was more of a wish than a statement.
I think the Attack Titan is an entity itself that jumps around its own timeline influencing the future. Eren is the last stop where the attack titans plan all comes together.
@@TexasGreed not just that. The Attack Titan’s personality IS Eren. He influenced much more than a single scene. He sent memories also to Kruger, remember?
This episode answers why from the moment Eren kissed Historia's hand we could no longer see his inner thoughts like in the first seasons. Remember? Reading Eren's thoughts in the episodes? Because the moment he kissed History's hand he saw his FUTURE! Thanks to his Attack Titan extraordinary hability. That's why he reacted that way when he knows about Sasha's death, he laughs because he couldn't help it. And also I think Eren's expression when he kisses Historia's hand goes like this because he hears Grisha say to Zeke: "Please, stop Eren."
30:23 it's funny that everyone looks at Zeke's face and can tell that he's shocked but nobody looks at Erens face and how sad he looks but it was the only way to save his people from getting slaughtered since the pacifist king would've let the Marleyns an sthe rest of the world slaughter everyone on Paradis.
@@AB-tf2ik then you let them destroy paradise and you fight it out till you die, you're thinking like a crazy person lol it's clear in the show eren is nutz and can't see why genocide is wrong
Time in Aot is pre-determined but not linear. In the sense that the future influences the past and vice versa. So the past was always going to be how it was and the future will play out how it plays. Hope that clears up the confusion on the time mechanic.
I mean, fundamentally it's not really a clear logical answer in terms of the technicalities, but it's just something to accept about the way things are in the AoT universe. The time manipulation mechanic here is not flawless, as no kind of time mechanics in fiction ever truly make complete sense, especially when paradoxes are involved. But it's still very engaging and succeeds with what it tries to do.
The best thing to call what they did within the path/coordinate. Is a "Memory Dive", not a time travel. Memory as in it was already a concluded experience. Thus anything that happened in there already happened.
@@vindifference its not a Time manipulation its a "Memory" dive. Memory as in it is a forgone concluded experience which is why everything that happens in their already did actually happened.
@@vindifference I disagree. I mean sure it’s convoluted, but when is time travel not. I think the idea of non-linear predetermined time is fairly logical, but albeit confusing and mind-bending. Although of course their are some weird paradoxes that you can get into but that’s the nature of time travel and why it remains hypothetical.
To be honest, i was pretty scared of Eren even back in S1 ep02. Eren has no fear of anything about Titan at that time and how quick he turns his sad to angry and hate feels like unreal. I always thought he is special from other hero type main characters. He centainly has soft part and he centainly cares his family and friend and all other people in the world, but he is also Eren Yeager himself
I can always tell what sort of reaction we're going to get by seeing the reactors watching S1E6. The scene where he kills the guys to save Mikasa. No one's saying what he did was wrong, but it was clearly not normal and not something that should be celebrated. The reactors I watch typically fall into one of 3 categories: 1. Happy Mikasa was saved but horrified by Eren's actions at such a young age 2. Excuse Eren's actions as just anime being anime 3. Treat it as a hype moment and not think twice about what Eren just did since he saved Mikasa
Keith was the 1st one to realise the scary nature of Eren. Remember the episode in which he described every cadets skills and in the end described Eren as average in everything but deterministic to an extent which is terrifying.
And the best part of this is that he actually never hugged him there. He just saw through Eren‘s memories Zeke standing in front of him. He saw himself hugging him bc Eren showed him this moment with his memories. That’s why they don’t really talk to each other. And why Grisha was always shocked in the flashbacks bc he always saw himself with the key in his hand.
Fun fact, the flashback of the scene of the first episode takes place 9 years ago both in the anime and in our real life. Anime: 845-854 Real life: 2013-2022
I just was waiting this to finally go to bed. I know you guys gonna love this episode. Congrats for the new house Lola. I can't imagine a cooler way to estrenar a house than watching Shingeki No Kyojin. (No sé cómo se diga en inglés, jajaja).
@@annaairahala9462 yeah, armin wants to believe in the Eren of his own making not the Eren that is true to his self. He knows want Eren plans to do but doesnt believe that Eren would do it at all.
When Eren said he was disappointed in his father, he wasn't lying. He was disappointed that Grisha could not kill the entire royal family, only with Eren's help
To people wondering how Eren made contact with Grisha: - Grisha basically saw FUTURE Eren's memories (which is the Eren we will see later on in the series) through CURRENT Eren's eyes (which is the Eren in this episode watching Grisha's memories) - Basically Grisha saw himself through CURRENT Eren's POV/Eyes that's why he could tell Zeke was there because Eren could see Zeke. And that's why he knows Eren is there because he is watching himself through Eren's eyes. - To make it simpler: Grisha - Future Eren's Memories (through Current Eren's eyes) - and then back to Grisha - Grisha saw FUTURE Eren's memories which is the CURRENT Eren watching his fathers memories. Eren kissing historia's hand: - Eren basically saw FUTURE Eren's plan through Grisha's Memories. Basically Grisha saw FUTURE Eren's plan and since CURRENT Eren can access Grisha's memories seeing the FUTURE Eren's plan, then he could basically see the future. - To make it simpler: Grisha saw FUTURE Eren's Memories - CURRENT/PAST Eren (When he kissed Historia) saw Grisha seeing FUTURE Eren's Memories. It's a litte bit confusing but all in all they basically just see each others memories seeing each others memories -by @kamon
I just want to highlight that POUNDING PRESSURE Eren exerted throughout the episode, which was at times unbearable. It was truly a breathtaking experience. Loved your analysis as alwaysss
The episode started with Zeke and Eren coming together and ended with them falling apart. Also Zeke had a whole character transformation in the space of 20 minutes.
that reminds me of new theory based on the new opening and this episode: on episode 2, when Eren refuses to eat the bread, there's a person with a dark "hoodie" that appears on the scene, right after Mikasa hits Eren. that could very well be Eren going to the past again… and it would be an AMAZING reference, because it is there since 2013 you know!? plus, the fact that the scene where Grisha looks to "Eren from the future" is the exact same way it is on episode 1, proves that Isayama has put a lot of easter eggs back in season one for us.
It wasn't in episode 1, they cut it, likely the animators didn't realize the significance of it at the time like a few other foreshadowing bits that were accidentally cut. In the manga though it did show Grisha looking off awkwardly into space when talking about the basement in the 1st chapter.
@@Michaelonyoutub i didn't see that, thanks for the comment! but i also didn't comment my idea correctly, i meant the scene as a whole, not only that specific scene… the way Grisha was acting and how weird it sounded at first, was very suspicious, because the scene made it look like he was kinda afraid or maybe a bit scared of something… i always thought that but never paid too much attention.
despite being dead for the majority of the show everytime grishas appears it completely changes the dynamics of the show. partially because of how complex of a character he is but also the way his voice actor plays him like hes hamlet or some other grand tragic figure. i keep thinking how ironic it is that eren was probably the kind of son he wanted in liberio( a boy with a hardened will and determination) and zeke was probably the child he would want living somewhat peacefully in paradis
Just a little advice: you can watch "turtle quirk" video where he breaks down this episode to more understand how the memories actually work and how eren manipulated his father. He made a great explanation.
Grisha screaming is always painful. Grisha Yeager's voice actor is the GOAT! •Some AOT fans when spoiled by the whole manga: spoils everybody. •Eren when spoiled by kissing Historia's hand: Shuts his mouth and keeps moving forward. •Grisha when spoiled: "IT'S TERRIBLE! ZEKE, STOP EREN!"
this episode was insane ...what i cant get my head around is this: all that Eren wants is freedom right? ...but from what we got so far it implies that he is not.. and he will never be ....great reaction as always ..
To explain things clear : attack Titan can see memories of future users -originally grisha didn't want to kill but eren persuaded him to - since grisha can see eren's memories, (eren is the user after grisha) grisha is basically seeing himself, but in eren's POV, which means grisha is aware that eren was watching him, which is why he was shouting if he was happy about his decision. If you watch closely in the episode you can notice in some scenes it looks like grisha was staring at eren right at the face (when grisha told younger eren about the key to the basement).
I think that when Eren kissed Historia's hand, everything (and I mean everything) played inside his mind and he had time to actually see them. Remember that the Paths/Coordinate is technically outside of time so even if the kiss just happened in a second, it could've been years worth of playbacks and memories for Eren. This is why it is called a loop, set in stone, a domino effect,.
@@randomlygeneratedname7171 Historia's future needs to be sacrificed and be turned into a titan in order for it to work. Eren doesn't want that. Also, Eren can see the future and influence the past. Zeke will always gonna be the one that he touches, and he needed Zeke to send him to the memory trip in order to complete the loop.
Eren not only manipulated grisha but may be even many past attack titan shifters for his goals That's why grisha said 'we all have been led by these memories , for this moment ' It may be possible that this is the reason why attack titan always fights for freedom because eren subconsciously passed on his will for freedom into all attack titans just like vow of renouncing war In other words , attack titan isn't within eren , eren is the attack titan
The faces of disbelief and mixed emotions for this episode is the reason why im binge watching your reactions. I love your reviews too, u guys are amazing. It's fun rewatching AOT with you two❤
25:50 both in the first volume of the manga and the first episode of the anime we see Grisha looking not at Eren, but in another direction, now we know why
This episode makes you realize that the first 3 seasons were basically the main villian's backstory lol Eren Yaeger just became one of the greatest protagonist in history, such an incredibly well written character
Is he the villain though? As a child his entire world view was destroyed by outsiders who slaughtered thousands upon thousands of his people including his mom by feeding them to titans, he is doing everything in his power to ensure that no one can ever hurt his friends again.
@@prateekmishra7318 He's not an antagonist, he's a protagonist Protagonist means "The main character of the story being told", people mix those terms pretty often
@@prateekmishra7318 Tbh, I don't even know what he is anymore He's a protagonist, antagonist, hero, villian, antihero and antivillian at the same time lol all I know is that I've never seen a character so well developed and written as him, this is one of the first few times that a turn to the dark side feels earned and believable
Tragedy of grisha : - Lost his sister - Lost his wife - Lost his 2nd wife, killed by his 1st wife - His 1st son is a traitor - His 2nd son is a psychopath.
Eren was so disgusted with Frieda’s words, and by extension the kings ideology, for it to get him that angry. The king has passed down his will, his vow renouncing war for generations and would gladly let all Eldians be massacred because he sees it as penance. Eren is the direct contrast and will fight till the bitter end for freedom.
I don't know if this might be considered a spoiler, so warning I think more than Eren, it's the Attack Titan who is disgusted at the king's ideology, because that is essentially it's place in the world: to push for freedom and never stop
@@soffiapiano SPOILER: Eren is the last attack titan, and since we know the attack titan can see the future through inheritors to act and push for freedom, it’s Erens own will and drive for freedom that is the reason for the attack titan having those traits. In other words, it’s Eren who has directly influenced every attack titan before him
Also I think when he said he was disgusted with his father, there was some truth to that. He was disgusted that his father, who has also listened to the king's ridiculous spiel and has just as much if not more reason to go through with killing the Reiss family, hesitates to do it in the end. I think some of that disgust comes out in how he talks down to Grisha in order to motivate Grisha to do what he needs to do.
yep, im with eren on this one. u reap what u sow: The world brought and raised hatred on that island, now the island is here to bring back the hate🤷🏽♂️
Eren saw his future memories through Grisha's memories when he kissed Historia's hand in s3 and that's why he's been depressed and dead inside eversince because he already knows everything that's about to happen and what he must do to protect his people from his enemies
I thought I was prepared for all of it since I read the manga but man that Zeke and Grisha scene broke me. What an episode!! Really can't wait to experience it all over again
Isayama: I'm so tired of making this manga
Eren: What are you doing? Sit down, author. Did you forget? The reason why you wrote this? Isn't it to hurt your readers? For open the sauna. You have to write this story and keep moving forward. Even if you die, and even after death. This is the story that you started, isn't it?
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Ayo!
Hahahaha Tatakae
Maybe eren is the illuminate....
Then Eren shows him the memories of Isayama being in sauna
The reason Eren looked so scared when he kissed Historia's hand was because not only did he see his dad kill the family, but he saw HIS FUTURE SELF TELLING HIS DAD to kill them, which is why he was extremely shocked.
Exactly I had a huge brain blast flash back cause he sees grishas shocked crazy face and then eren has the same face but now we see why he got it so that means eren seen it happed and it messed him up🤯🤯This show is SS++
Historia: It's ok, eren. It's your father who murdered my sister, not you.
Eren: 😬
That didn't look like fear though...
@@footlong7980 I mean more freaked out yeah but go back and look its literally the exact freaked out face grisha had and we didn’t see why his face was like that we just seen a crazy face like he was going wild while attacking them but now we see in this episode exactly why and when he made that face so eren seen it happened and he was upset about it
Its not that he was scared. It's more like he was disgusted by his father's weakness. He was angry at his father, he loosed all hope for grisha at that moment.
Eren is that one meme of the guy pointing a guy to himself, but unironically. Mans built so different he created a paradox in his own timeline to dictate his own life events. Isayama is astonishingly skilled. The way he weaved time travel into eren's character to portray him as the perpetrator and victim of his own atrocities is absolute genius.
The meme you talking about its the spider man pointing
@@TheCouto11 nop
He wouldn't have done anything if the dumb pacifist king just protected their people from the nazi Marleyns and the rest of the world 🙄😂😂
I think he didn't created any paradox. I think that everything here was already meant to happen. Any "influence" he had made, like manipulate his father, was meant to happen.
I think he kinda sent his memories, his point of view, his way of thinking to his father. In other words, maybe Grisha was seeing Eren's memories from his point of view; and maybe the powers of the Attack Titan combined with the Coordinate and the royal blood (Zeke) permitted Grisha to feel his sons presence, and even able to see Zeke.
Some theories indicates that everytime Grisha saw Zeke, Eren was behind him, so it was like Grisha saw the present through Eren's vision. It wasn't time travel, is was communication through memories across the timeline. I even think Eren has only now interacted to his father's memories to this level because now he's in the Paths and has someone of royal blood with him, hence it would cause some kind of "unlocking" in abilities, that being the capacity of not only have a glimpse of memories, but to "interact" a little more, like he were behind the scenes like that.
there is no paradox tho
The parallel between Attack Titan and Founding Titan is mind-blowing,
Founding Titan's power is defined by it's predecessors but the Attack Titan's power is ultimately controlled by it's successors.
The only reason Eren was able to control the actions of his father is because Historia and Rod Reiss showed him the events of what happened, as the Attack Titan is not able to transfer memories to the inheritor he was able to manipulate the circumstances since he had gotten those memories. Otherwise he would only have been able to see the next Attack Titans memories that they showed to him.
And also seek was there for him to help him activate the founder power of memories I think the ability of the attack titan’a receiving memories and the founder’s all around memory manipulation help eren control what grisha sees.
The parallel between Zeke and Eren is Nurture vs Nature.
@@alucard8433 huh? isn't it that the attack titan can see both the past holders' memories AND the future holders' memories?
when historia and rod touched him, it just let him see a part of that scene, just not grisha giving up in the moment. he then later saw grisha giving up, recontextualizing the moment (causing the shocked face because he was wrong about his father), when he kissed historia.
@@hyunweewoo Pretty sure the attack Titan could only see visions from its future inheritors and because of Rod and Historia he was able to see the past and im pretty sure when he kissed Historia's hand he saw his dad give up on that day and saw himself standing next to him, after he kissed Historia's hand you no longer hear Eren's inner monologue. It was only after Rod and Historia originally touched him that he was able to see his dad's memories.
Remember Levi in Season 1 talking about Eren: "He is a real Monster, and im not talking about his titan abilities. No matter how hard he’s restrained, no matter what cage he’s put inside. He will never submit."
Eren has always been the way he is since birth.
Before Levi, Kaith was the 1st one to observe and realise the scary deterministic nature of Eren.
He was talking about Annie
@@J.K.0 No it was clearly mentioned as Levi.
First thing I thought about a few episodes in season 4. He was soooooooo right about Eren back then. We just didn't know how much.
@@MostWantedRUclipsr
I meant that levi was talking about annie not eren
Now I get why he looked so angry when he kissed Historia’s hand. He basically got spoiled, by HIMSELF. I would be fuming as well.
Yup, even Eren fell victim to season 4 spoilers. No one is safe
because future Eren led everything to the point where Historia becomes the queen, so young Eren can restore his future memories
that makes sense now!!
@@ad7265 yea its crazy, that every single attack titan to this point, was led by eren, including his younger self. That is why the attack titan has always fought for freedom and advancement. That is not a Attack titan trait... It's Eren's traits being passed down all the previous titans to lead to this very moment. Like Kruger getting the attack titan, finding grisha and giving him the titan, then sending grisha inside the walls, having another kid and then grisha giving it to eren... All these events were written by eren... which is really cool.
I don't think Eren was angry when he kissed her hand. I feel like he was just shocked.
*Pre-Discussion*
00:00 Lola moves
01:03 What will happen now? Ymir? Attack Titan?
04:10 Eren and Zeke, Eren's Plan
10:40 Zeke is lonely, Eren has his friends
11:25 Levi
12:13 Gabi and Eren
*Reaction*
16:55 Start
20:59 Opening
22:10 Episode continues
32:54 Ending
*Discussion*
33:20 The plot of the episode, Historia's hand
38:05 Rod Reiss had to survive
38:55 Attack Titan, Zeke and Eren, Grisha
42:35 Zeke experienced another Grisha
43:49 Grisha could see Zeke, hug scene
45:24 How will this change Zeke?
46:33 Key scene, Mikasa
47:18 Eren saw the future, Did he change the future or was it already set in stone?
49:37 How bad will the rumbling be? The fourth season changed everything
52:19 Zeke
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I'm never playing Uno with the Jaeger brothers
Eren dressed in black like a devil, Zeke dressed in white like an angel, each on one side of grisha, like the devil and angel on your shoulder whispering in your ear. Fucking genius
they also keep Eren always on the right and Zeke always on the left, just like the devil on your right shoulder and angel on your left shoulder
Damn, u right :o
I think both Jaeger brothers also look extremely similar to popular depictions of Jesus, in their own ways both are trying to be a messiah, I might also just be looking way too hard into this
If you ask me zeke lowkey looks like jesus
@@asif1845 he does, it's intended and eren is playing the devil's role in this.
"I'm not in danger, Zeke! I'm the danger! A guy opens his door and gets manipulated and you think that of me?! No! I'm the one who manipulates!"
- Eren "Heisenberg" Jaeger
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LMAO
just fits perfect
This is my fav comment ever
You’re breaking time itself badly
“From now on, it will go Eren’s way” - Grisha, in basically, the very first episode of the anime.
This really puts things into perspective.
Oh shit. 😟
@Mr. White It's the same timeline. It happens at the time of the very first episode (s?), even if you didn't see it in the first episode it still happened
@Mr. White sure, maybe I misunderstood what you meant. Still this did happen during Episode 1 (more or less) *Anime viewers read no further*
even if things had happened 2000 years before that, the moment this plays is still the first episode, so he's technically correct, I think. But that doesn't matter. I think we're arguing the same thing. He said it's the first episode, which technically is around that time, you're saying Eren's story began way before that and you're also right about that in a way
@Mr. White i was not talking about the aot universe, i was talking about the first episode of the anime - series 1, episode 1, that aired on 7th April 2013.
Again, the 1st aired episode itself, not the full timeline of aot universe that contains events that happened before those presented in the 1st episode aired in 2013.
@Mr. White OK, but to clarify, the story may be non linear, but the timeline itself is fixed. Everything that happened was going to occur the way it did, and there's no alternate timeline.
The reason why Grisha appeared to be able to touch both Eren and Zeke is because by way of the Attack Titan's power, Grisha can peek into the memories of future inheritors, and the experience of seeing himself and Zeke from Eren's POV is so surreal that to them, they exist in the same time and space and are thus able to interact with each other as if physically together.
That's also why Grisha only sees Zeke from Eren's POV, and never explicitly reacted to Eren's presence, he's essentially staring at an estimation of where Eren's at when he's "looking" at him, when he's actually seeing himself from his POV.
Edit: Spoilers in the replies (Be careful)
Yup, that's actually why baby Eren also can see Eren and Zeke.
Didn't they just upload this? Did you skip to the discussion or something?
In the end eren die, and we all one piece
@@thelegacyofgaming2928 By using the power of the attack titan ofc 😂
@@thelegacyofgaming2928 for the likes of course.
Your reaction videos mean a lot to me. None of my friends watch AOT, so when I watch u guys it feels like I am watching AOT with some friends. Thanks guys!!
their loss for not watching, atleast i convinced atleast 3/10 of my friends😂 others think this is too childish🙄 its kinda funny that they all watch/read whatever I recommend but when it comes to anime they think its lame kid show
@@uchiha5531 people think is for child, but childs will never understand this type of stories
@@uchiha5531 Those are whom i call close-minded people, people like that tend to not get smarter overtime. They refuse to learn.
Bruh imagine refusing to watch greatest tv show of our generation & think it's childish 😂
I feel you
"Let's show the basement"
For the child Eren, the basement of Yeager's house
For future Eren, the basement of the Reis`s house
Two meanings
In other words, Isayama is genius
SHeeesh didnt even notice that THAT is what Eren was influencing at that moment, not for him to give Eren the key.DUHH. All this after i thought i finally understood everything this ep
Yo holy shit, I never realized that that’s insane
except with the neding
Isayama was only influenced by Eren.
Eren is the genius.
Wow i don't know its intentional or not but great analysis .
The "Eren actually brainwashed Grisha" was one of the biggest plot twists, and the fact that you predicted it is amazing, love your reactions!
Pretty ironic too, what happened to Grisha was literal karma: brainwashed his first son to later be brainwashed by the second
use “predicted” loosely here
@At Oussama I was thinking the exactly same thing. They picked up on the clues early in the episode.
I wouldn't call it influence, I mean. Zeke takes Eren to see Grisha's memories, since Zeke as a founding titan has that power. From Zeke's perspective, everything he is seeing is happening, for Zeke he is seeing in the present the past. For Eren, as an attack titan and the only one who can see the future, he is seeing what has already happened, that is, Eren not only sees what happens (present) but what will happen (future), for which, for Eren, the present is already past. While Grisha is seeing the future, since he is also the attack titan, but from his perspective, he does not see what has already happened, but what will happen, that is why he is able to see Zeke, because he does not see literally Zeke, he sees Eren's memories that are in the future (the present for Zeke and Eren) and that is why he can hug Zeke, since he knows that Eren and Zeke will travel to that moment, also taking advantage of the fact that Grisha can see the future, Eren sends a message to the past, doing what he should do, from Grisha's perspective, he is seeing the future, that is, Eren talking to him, while from Eren's perspective, he is doing what has already happened, while from Zeke's perspective, he sees what's going on.
why do people keep calling it brainwashed, it was just a pep talk
grisha's voice actor is a god. that mental breakdown of grisha was PERFECTION, on par with reiner and bert reveal IMO
Why are you moking god?
@@lofy07 what
Grisha's apology to Zeke, followed by him saying he loves him was beautiful yet sad. I was moved to tears by this scene.
I wish more parents could realize this. Many are lost to their own narcissism.
same, it's sad because time doesn't stop moving forward and no matter how much Grisha learned from his mistakes, he could never make it up to Zeke
Soundtrack was bop god tier , it felt as if I was watching real family tragedy in front of my eyes...😔
same
Remember what Kenny said before: "everyone is a slave of something", that's the point where you can see Eren as a master and a slave of his own desire.
that quote really aint that deep kind annoying ppl spamming it like its something socrates said
@@ShortGrumpyMidget big facts
@@ShortGrumpyMidget they literally republished the Kenny chapter along with chap 139
He's a slave to freedom
@@ShortGrumpyMidget ...... The quote fits the characters, story and themes of the show...... so why shouldn't people quote it? They shouldn't because its popular? These people aren't "spamming" it to look smart and obnoxious, it simply fits. I REALLY don't get why it bothers you.
Zeke last episode: "Eren, the tables have turned"
Eren this episode: "Fuck your tables"
They weren't even playing the same game.
If Zeke was playing chess against Eren then Eren was playing 4d chess against Zeke.
Zeke though he was winning on one board while Eren had already beaten him on twenty others.
“I don't like the terms "good person" or "bad person" because it is impossible to be entirely good to everyone. To some, you are a good person, while to others, you are a bad person.” - Armin Arlert
Meanwhile useless Armin is a hypocrite clown 😂😂😂
@@rohitgajjar2898 what do you mean ???
Hypocrite
@@rohitgajjar2898 yeah sadly armin charchater is useless af in s4 i wish isayama made him better
@@TheCouto11 i assume he means that armin says he hates killing yet, at this point, has the highest kill count in the show. but that doesnt make him a hypocrite imo.
Off topic but he is right (Indirectly credit goes to Isayama). The good and bad concept is created by humans. In nature, there is no good and bad. Nature only does what has to be done in a given scenario.
When Zeke finally tears up and calls Grisha "tosan" (dad or daddy) I straight up ugly cried. Ever since turning in his parents, up to this moment he's been referring to Grisha as "Chichioya" (father) which is so much more cold and formal - "that father," as he put it, like he was referring to someone elses father.
It was also brilliant to go with tou-san instead of otou-san. Tou-san is just short for otou-san but as Zeke's voice was cracking up he said as few syllables as possible.
Fun fact: the Death Note character designer worked on this episode. This is why the insane faces are priceless.
Faces are terrible with those lines
Well… that’s just… your opinion man.
@@parkdestroyer8046 theyre not supposed to be pretty they’re supposed to convey emotion and that why theyre so exaggerated
oh wow, no wonder i thought grisha was moving crazy like Light yagami in death note's last episode xD
@@sajjadsaleem861 I was thinking that movement looked familiar
It's so crazy to think that the Founding titans are bounded by past whereas the attack titans are bounded to the future.
Still it's so ironic..that even that power...binds attack titan users to pre determinism. They are bound to future...which makes them a slave to their own futures...Grisha, eren...both of them, were slave to their own fate...which they themselves created. Pure ironic beauty.
But only Eren can directly communicate with and dictate the past attack titans since he has both the attack titan and the founding titan, allowing him to access the paths dimension (after touching Zeke) and the past memories of attack titans wherever he sees fit.
That's why the first chapter of AoT called "To You, 2000 years from now."
And the upcoming chapter called " From You, 2000 years ago"
Almost like Ymir the Founding Titan addressed to Eren in chapter 1, then in next episode, Eren the Attack Titan gonna finally address to Ymir properly.
Both of them are bounded by destiny from the both past and future of the entire Titan history.
Wow so crazy
Attack titan is bounded by both past and future
*Just to remember: IN AOT THERE IS NO TIME TRAVEL, ONLY MEMORIES OF THE FUTURE*
Yaa .. i don't know why most people could not understand this episode
@@69Freedom69 yah
Grisha can see Zeke because Eren is behind Grisha
and Eren can control what Grisha can see through the future's memories of the attack titan
@@mbet292 yaa grisha just seeing memories as Eren's POV
Eren whispered in Isayama's ear and told him to write this story
On a serious note, it's really scary how Grisha, someone who was so anti-Marley and pro-Eldia, saw one glimpse of Eren's plan and was like, "Zeke. You have to stop him." Despite Grisha's hate for Marley and how far he was willing to go, even HE thought his plan was too far. He was genuinely horrified. Whatever Eren's plan is, Grisha does not want it to happen.
Speaking of, Zeke and Grisha finally getting to work out their issues and hug each other in a moment of pure love is really heartwarming. Grisha understood his mistakes when raising Zeke before. Instead of only treating him as a tool, he treats him as his son. Zeke is finally able to take his first step towards closure after years of trauma. Even if they had their differences, Grisha and Zeke can at least agree with one thing: Stopping Eren...
well i think maybe if Grisha was younger he mightve agreed with Eren. By the time he got the attack titan, he lost most of his anger. He told Kruger he no longer was the same and saw the shit that his anger and revenge has brought him to. Grisha definitely mellowed out. Even if he wants Eldia's revival, he no longer has the same fury as he did b4.
@@wymg4480 I agree if it was grisha when he became a patriot that encountered the royal family he wouldn’t have hesitated as much don’t know if he’d be willing to kill kids without erens influence tho
@@wymg4480 i don't think it's anger that's fueling Eren, at least not anymore since his conversatiom with Reiner, but rather it's the fire in him that tells him that there is no future for his people. Grisha had that same fire but lost it due to Zeke's heart wrenching betrayal and watching all his comrades die. oof
@@BhBc8f8 The comment was about Grisha's anger
No one mentions this and its not a spoiler: After watching the next episode you should watch Season 2 Ending, and include it in the reaction. It's pretty interesting to talk about.
Season 2's ending is one of my favorites out of all the op/eds. I could tell we were going that route after seeing the next episode's title. Sooo excited for that!!
What does it mean I don't understand
@@Rp3rn011 please explain
@@Johan590 all you saw in the ending of the season 2, you're going to see in the next episode
@@francopavez5293 oh okay thank u
You guys actually accurately got most of this episode in one watch. Pretty cool!
Hiroshi Tsuchida's (Grisha va) performance in this episode was phenomenal! Plus Yuki's (Eren) chilling voice! These vas are giving it their all. Props to them! The entire AoT Japanese voice cast are top-tier. 👏👏
It's so meta that Eren has essentially trapped himself in this causal loop by his own doing, an extension of his suffering as a product of his freedom loving nature. He's a slave to the determinism he engineered, a slave to the story and to himself (3x10 Friends). If everything was decided from the start, does Eren even have free will? Isn't it just ironic?
"Everyone's a slave to something"
-Kenny Ackermann
hey Q
He is a slave of himself
The tragedy of attack on titan
@@issaphae9659 hi phae
Fun fact: one of the key animators of Death Note worked on this episode. His style is pretty iconic, like in 30:33.
I KNEW IT I’ve been trying to find out if that was actually the case for the last two days! How did you find out?
Was giving me “I take a potato chip and eat it” vibes with the animation lol
Literally bawled my eyes out when Grisha hugged Zeke. The regret is sooooo strong here.
How can a show make me connect so deeply with the character that killed Erwin and all the scouts!?!?! Isayama is a genius!
And reiner who destroyed whole paradis island
Yeah, zeke is the first ever character that i hated so much, and then, i really like besides dont agree with the plan. Very well made, very different fron cliches like itachi or some shot like that
Seriously, an episode with almost no fighting is extremely intense!
Aot is amazing!
Same thing with Declaration of War being super intense despite no real action sequences. Two guys and a kid sitting in a basement talking while listening to a stage play upstairs.
and that day
Proof that there's no need for fights or intense actions to create a perfect episode.
Duh i like a lot more shows with actual tension and plot twist then only fights like midslayer dragon mid and midbleach
midnight sun
Well, now we know that the moment Eren kissed Historia's hand at the end of S3, the Eren we knew then basically died. Poor guy really got mindfucked in the most twisted way possible...no wonder he changed so drastically in his demeanor 😞
MAPPA really elevated the manga this episode! Everything from the voice acting (Grisha's VA went off!!) to the animation was just so beautifully done that I honestly got teary-eyed a couple of times all throughout ❤
the Eren we KNEW got bitch slapped by the Eren we KNOW.....i am depression
i dont think Eren died, what died was our own perception of him up to that point. because he even says it in this chapter that he has always been this way. before kissing Historia's hand, he didn't know anything but the present. so after getting glimpses of the future, he somehow had an idea of what steps to take next and almost nothing would surprise him or make him having a mental breakdown out of impotency, as he did before.
so now he seems to be different, he is still the same but with more knowledge hahahsjw
and yesss i agree with how amazing MAPPA is doing 🤭
@@martinaherrera3182 Saying that the entire story happens because of Eren's nature" is so ridiculously reductive to the cruel environment that exists out of Eren's control. Because if that's the case, why is it that when Eren and Mikasa run away in 138-Paradis gets invaded and the only way to survive is to run? Eren doesn't go to Liberio or rumble and yet the problem is still there.
Making blanket statements about nature for the sake of being dramatic takes away Isayama's purposefully tight and extreme world building. Isayama didn't have to make the world hate Paradisians to such a degree if he wanted to make the point that Eren “would've made the same decisions because of nature." And he wouldn't have created a sekaikei element in the story if "nature" wasn't something that couldn't be changed. And calling it a story that Eren created is also reductive given an entire other character exists Ymir-who existed long before Eren and whose motivations and traumas and decisions were made outisde of Eren's conception.
It's impossible to ignore the influence that future memories have on one's behavior/ feelings. So how can you draw strict conclusions on someone's nature when Isayama wrote so many plot devices that challenge that?
Technically, the current Eren has always been in control since the inception of the Attack Titan. It's a time loop, Eren influencing past wielders and even himself so that he ends up at this point in time to do it over and over again. Kruger had Eren's memories, Grisha had memories from Eren, and past Eren had memories and emotions from future Eren. In a sense, there are no Attack Titan wielders, just the Attack Titan, since the very last Attack Titan wielder will always have a dominating will over the past wielders, meaning the Attack Titan wielders in the timeline of AOT that we've experienced has always been just one entity (whoever is the very last wielder). Now, the question is, what future memories Eren has seen to warrant his actions and choose this timeline? Has he only seen his own future memories, or memories from yet another future wielder and Eren is actually the one being controlled, if you can even call him Eren?
@@poppyseed1058 agreed. Like eren did what he does bc hes influenced by the book he saw from armin
Zeke started this episode like "I'm big bro, I know so much, I waited years, I know everything" and ended up like "I'm scared, mom pls pick me up"
Grisha's VA really stole the show in this episode - legendary performance. You can feel the raw emotions just from the man's voice; really makes the scene's heaviness hit home
To explain the future memories bit, the power of the Attack Titan is the power to send memories from its future inheritors back to its past inheritors. That makes it unique from other Titans which can only see memories from the past. The thing with the future memory transfer is that you can't send future memories back to your past self, since the AT only has to power to send the future memories to its past inheritors. There's a loophole, however, which Eren has exploited. If you send future memories to a past inheritor, and then unlock the past memory of that inheritor seeing those future memories, you see your own future memories.
Grisha isn't actually seeing Eren. He's seeing himself in the 3rd person from Eren's pov, thus hearing what Eren is saying. It's the same with Zeke, Grisha only sees Zeke when Eren is directly looking at Zeke. When Eren kissed Historia, he unlocked the last of Grisha's memory of Future Eren sending him the future. Thus Eren learned of events which would occur in the future.
This is a mind bender but it also makes a lot of sense. Thinking without defaulting to linear times always a trippy experience.
My goodness, when you put it like that, it's not only fascinating but scaryyyyyy
so weird that so many people think this. how does that make sense? they can literally touch each other, and it doesn't make sense in context based on grisha's reactions. if he saw it in a memory he would just act like he knew they were there rather than reacting in surprise.
This is actually very wrong. It's interestingly done but also very wrong. You explained a loophole with which Eren can see his own future memories. But thats just unnecessary. Eren can anyway see his future memories because he's the last holderbof the attack titan.
@@shavedata5436 I initially thought about it that way too. It's not so much that Eren can go back in time it's that by combining the power of the attack titan and the founding titan, Eren can essentially be in the past, present and future, simultaneously. In practice, it looks like time traveling back in time, but only because we experience the show through linear time. Like Zeke said in the previous episode, it had felt like ages before Eren woke up at the Paths. Time is not linear at that place, it is everywhere at once.
Grisha's seiyu was AMAZING in this episode
For angry ppl " Grisha's voice actor was AMAZING in this episode"
Seiyu?
@@tomotion8524 Seiyuu= Voice actor (VA)
Grisha seiyuu is always god tier.
The need of going for other words instead of the normal ones
His underrated actor
"rather than let them take my freedom, I will take theirs first", that is like an ultimate boss line,so good, aot is more than action and story, the dialogue the motivation, philosophy of each character are great.
that's just horrific in my opinion, that is the philosophy of a psychopath if i've ever seen one.
@@rodvincetolosa9386 completely disagree ,that's just self defense,
@@nihilisticboi3520 that's a terrible mentality. Responding to ignorance with ignorance, solving nothing but your problem. That means you are nothing better than them. The "they started it" way of thinking is childish.
@@ravio1042 I get Eren's character and why he got to think like that, I was saying what I said for the people encouraging that mentality, thinking it's ok
@@justraul6405 Exactly 💯
The way Lola understands the hole plot of the episode afterwards it's incredible. I had to read that chapter two times and search for ytb videos to understand everything that happened. In few words, Eren never changed the past.
In case u don’t remember, eren’s speech to push Grisha is the very same speech the Owl used to push Grisha. Except in the previous scene it was an incredibly motivating and encouraging, and now it is incredibly dark and unsettling. Keep moving forward until the price of our actions is paid.
It was basically eren controlling kruger
Something I noticed in my recent rewatch was Owl telling Grisha that he needs to find someone to love inside the walls, or else this cycle of revenge driven by hate will only repeat. We think this is a really uplifting and touching thing for him to say, but
SEASON 4.2 SPOILERS
he really just meant, "hey, you need to find a wife so you can have a kid that will commit a genocide _so thorough_ that there won't be anybody left to take revenge on us"
The best way to describe the attack titan shenanigans is that eren isn't fighting for freedom because of the attack titan. The attack titan is pursuing freedom because eren possesses it. Thus influencing the entire line of succession in reverse.
Essentially in the same way the reiss family is subjected to the will of the first king(karl fritz). All attack titan holders are subjected to the will of future eren.
So, Eren's ideals go backward in time? to influence the future?
@@msguy5877 yeah which is made possinle by Rten possesing the Founding.
Because Founding can use the paths where past, present and future converges. So any influences made in there can affect the enyire timeline as a whole
Holy moly you girls are super smart. You caught so many of the important details and explained them beautifully in your discussion. Love the videos!
Facts, and on the fist try. It took me 2 watches to fully understanf
Eren gift😍
If you think Eren just used Zeke
Here's what Eren did:
Eren gave Zeke what he could have wished for.
Zeke initially thought he would get emotional support and understanding from Eren because they supposedly shared the same trauma from the same father.
Eren could never provide for it, but he gave Zeke what was even better:
an apology from his own father, a confession of love.
I think the moment when Eren said "I was disgusted for what my father did" to Zeke, was the fact that Grisha wasn't brave enough to slay the entire Reiss family, that he had lost his true purpose, and that he needs Eren to convince him to do so.
I think it was just a lie. He was probably more disgusted by what Frieda said.
@@ghaddar0292 I honestly feel like he was disgusted at both of them and the entire situation.
@@byronstone386 the fact that neither one of them were tatakae enough lol
@@byronstone386 it's pretty clear the writer made eren disgusted at grisha lol if not the writer would've added something for her
the way the both of you are able to feel for all characters, i truly adore you girls and your reactions! x
Ah this is one of the scariest episode for me. Absolutely terrified when I read the manga, seeing this animated is great
ALSO in the paths everything happens all at the same time, time is not linear.
i read this chapter in the manga about a year ago and remember feeling shock at eren’s actions but also satisfaction at him finally addressing his own nature. i remember first seeing him kill those two men as a nine-year-old boy and wondering about the wrathful, dark drive that consumes him and if the narrative was ever going to make something of it.
Yeah a lot of people forget about that scene as the show went on but it is very important to understanding Eren's character. He has always been slightly crazy and dark under the surface.
All anime protagonists’ mentors be like: this one, he’s a true monster.
other than it was eren or mikasa getting raped and killed, or killing them choices.
but yeah after that, kid Eren has no remorse. Some people are just built that way: In *no way* he is letting other deprive him of freedom or his friends
Just imagine if Eren had Ackerman's blood.
We really all jumped ship from the anime and joined the manga gang at the s4p1 cliffhanger huh. Seems like there's more manga readers than anime only's nowadays
The fact that you figured out the way Erens "future sight works" instantly, something that took manga readers years to understand, shows why you are my favorite reach channel!
Really took you years? I found it very explicit
@@josuegarro5437 I read a bit after release and figured it out after some time, however I still to this day see people misunderstanding it
A lot of manga readers refuse to understand exactly what it is Eren knew and could do with the power. It's mostly people who can't accept who Eren really is, or didn't understand what they were reading.
@@luciferkotsutempchannel Literally r/titanfolk lmao
@@StickyArrows The worst part is, they've fully and immediately rejected any possibility that they misunderstood anything they read. The notion itself offends them. I would know. Up until the video "this video will change how you see Eren" came out, I was on their side.
Zeke was watching the show like he was in the audience with us. He was just as flabbergasted by the reveals as everyone else lol.
this episode made me cry in ways i didn't even know i could. honestly, seeing Grisha going through all of that destroys my heart… he was an amazing character!
Ton of respect for Grisha VA, he's the reason why we cried
@@twenty7395 YES! i was talking about that with some friends, his voice actor is AMAZING! the guy put so much passion and real emotions in his voice acting! all the love and respect for him ❤️
This episode had best aot ‘preview’. I had goosebumps & chills in few seconds (they should've watched it) next episode is gonna make HISTORY !
This episode is the greatest episode, of any show, I have ever watched. The twist in this is GOAT status. The writing, the voice acting, the music. All incredible.
In the manga it might have been more clear, but Rod Reiss was running away ahead of his family. He was a coward. Every time he spoke to Freida he was further and further away. Then he fled and didn’t try to save his family.
It looks like some things are starting to make sense, since the conversation between Grisha and Eren Kruger. The king within the walls refused to break his oath to renounce war and protect his people, choosing instead to accept punishment for past sins. The Attack Titan also has its own characteristics: it is independent, meaning it doesn't follow orders from anyone, not even the Founding Titan, and it seems to be the only one of the 9 Titans to have access to the memories of the future. This is an epic level turn around!!!
which is "fun" about attack titan power is that he is independant because of Eren thirst for freedom.
He basically is the last one to possessed the attack's titan so his strong need to be free only go down the path through his predecessor.
They aren't free, they just follow future visions of Eren
Grisha could see Future Zeke because of the Attack Titan ability Which allow the current inheritor of it to see memories of the future (next) inheritor , in this Case Grisha sees Memories of future Eren who traveled back in time with Zeke to visit Grisha memories , so basically Grisha could see stuff from his own vision and from Eren perspective too .
Eren was looking at Zeke at the end of the episode , so Grisha could see Zeke too but never saw future Eren , also if there was another person there besides Grisha, he would see Grisha hugging Air not Zeke , it didn't happen it reality , because Only Grisha could see Zeke (through future Eren perspective)
he did see eren tho
@@shavedata5436 he didn't actually , all the other stuff he saw was the memories of Future Eren (including looking at Zeke who was there ) , he saw stuff from Eren's perspective , he basically could see himself from TTP when Eren was looking at him (just like when you see yourself when you have a dream , you can sometimes see your full body from another angel) , it's like Grisha and Eren are connected
@@akram.wrld4real I get how that's possible but doesn't make sense in context. Grisha reacts in surprise to seeing Zeke in front of him, not remembering that Zeke can see him and saying something about it. Also they literally touch. This is a clever idea that seems to have caught on but isn't supported by the text.
@@shavedata5436 but in reality they didn't touch , as i said before if there was another person there for example Rodd who escaped eventually , he'd see Grisha hugging Air , only Grisha at that moment could see Zeke from Eren's perspective who was behind them , so technically Grisha could see himself too , it's complicated 😅 remember when Eren started to talk to Grisha ? Did Grisha look at Eren ? No , he could only hear his voice and feel his presence
@@shavedata5436 I'm only talking about this episode , i could be somehow wrong but what i said is the only explanation that makes sense for now , maybe next episodes we'll get more answers , I'm excited to see what happens next , since I'm only an Anime fan not a manga fan
This is the 6th time ive rewatched the grisha n zeke hug n im still crying
The word 進撃 has two characters: the first one means "moving forward" and the second one means to "attack". I guess Eren had no other way but to keep moving forward because he was a slave to the future himself. Now thinking back to the episode where Eren hurt Mikasa, he said "I am free", I think that was more of a wish than a statement.
I think the Attack Titan is an entity itself that jumps around its own timeline influencing the future. Eren is the last stop where the attack titans plan all comes together.
@@TexasGreed not just that. The Attack Titan’s personality IS Eren. He influenced much more than a single scene. He sent memories also to Kruger, remember?
漫画家は漫画を描いていたとき、そんな「進撃」の微妙な意味について考えなかっただろう
@@andrewjaeger そんなことないでしょ、ほぼ日常で使わない言葉だから意図的なはず
@@もなか-d8n ちなみに､ 英語翻訳は原意と違うよな｡ 進撃の巨人は Attack on titanじゃなくて Attacking titan という意味
This episode answers why from the moment Eren kissed Historia's hand we could no longer see his inner thoughts like in the first seasons. Remember? Reading Eren's thoughts in the episodes? Because the moment he kissed History's hand he saw his FUTURE! Thanks to his Attack Titan extraordinary hability. That's why he reacted that way when he knows about Sasha's death, he laughs because he couldn't help it. And also I think Eren's expression when he kisses Historia's hand goes like this because he hears Grisha say to Zeke: "Please, stop Eren."
I think Sasha's death was the realization that everything he saw would actually happen, including deaths and all the horrible stuff
30:23 it's funny that everyone looks at Zeke's face and can tell that he's shocked but nobody looks at Erens face and how sad he looks but it was the only way to save his people from getting slaughtered since the pacifist king would've let the Marleyns an sthe rest of the world slaughter everyone on Paradis.
There are still people like you out there defending his every action 🤦♀️
@@minnie7279 well he's right .. it's either the rumbling or let Marley and the rest of the world destroy paradis.
@@AB-tf2ik then you let them destroy paradise and you fight it out till you die, you're thinking like a crazy person lol it's clear in the show eren is nutz and can't see why genocide is wrong
You girls are definitely one of the best AoT reactors!!
Up there with top 5 fr
Time in Aot is pre-determined but not linear. In the sense that the future influences the past and vice versa. So the past was always going to be how it was and the future will play out how it plays. Hope that clears up the confusion on the time mechanic.
I mean, fundamentally it's not really a clear logical answer in terms of the technicalities, but it's just something to accept about the way things are in the AoT universe. The time manipulation mechanic here is not flawless, as no kind of time mechanics in fiction ever truly make complete sense, especially when paradoxes are involved. But it's still very engaging and succeeds with what it tries to do.
The best thing to call what they did within the path/coordinate. Is a "Memory Dive", not a time travel.
Memory as in it was already a concluded experience. Thus anything that happened in there already happened.
@@vindifference its not a Time manipulation its a "Memory" dive. Memory as in it is a forgone concluded experience which is why everything that happens in their already did actually happened.
@@vindifference I disagree. I mean sure it’s convoluted, but when is time travel not. I think the idea of non-linear predetermined time is fairly logical, but albeit confusing and mind-bending. Although of course their are some weird paradoxes that you can get into but that’s the nature of time travel and why it remains hypothetical.
To be honest, i was pretty scared of Eren even back in S1 ep02. Eren has no fear of anything about Titan at that time and how quick he turns his sad to angry and hate feels like unreal. I always thought he is special from other hero type main characters. He centainly has soft part and he centainly cares his family and friend and all other people in the world, but he is also Eren Yeager himself
I can always tell what sort of reaction we're going to get by seeing the reactors watching S1E6. The scene where he kills the guys to save Mikasa. No one's saying what he did was wrong, but it was clearly not normal and not something that should be celebrated. The reactors I watch typically fall into one of 3 categories:
1. Happy Mikasa was saved but horrified by Eren's actions at such a young age
2. Excuse Eren's actions as just anime being anime
3. Treat it as a hype moment and not think twice about what Eren just did since he saved Mikasa
Keith was the 1st one to realise the scary nature of Eren. Remember the episode in which he described every cadets skills and in the end described Eren as average in everything but deterministic to an extent which is terrifying.
@@annaairahala9462 I would imagine there is some overlap in #1 and #2.
Eren never changed since he was born. He's always been this way.
Grisha hugging Zeke is one of the most heartbreakinhg scene in a whole show
And the best part of this is that he actually never hugged him there. He just saw through Eren‘s memories Zeke standing in front of him. He saw himself hugging him bc Eren showed him this moment with his memories. That’s why they don’t really talk to each other. And why Grisha was always shocked in the flashbacks bc he always saw himself with the key in his hand.
Fun fact, the flashback of the scene of the first episode takes place 9 years ago both in the anime and in our real life.
Anime: 845-854
Real life: 2013-2022
I just love how Grisha calls Mikasa "daughter", I tear up every time he tells the royal family he has a a son and a daughter
I just was waiting this to finally go to bed. I know you guys gonna love this episode.
Congrats for the new house Lola. I can't imagine a cooler way to estrenar a house than watching Shingeki No Kyojin. (No sé cómo se diga en inglés, jajaja).
Estrenar JJAJAJAJAJ
Estoy casi seguro de que no hay palabra para estrenar en inglés bro, se diría use/wear/drive/etc for the first time
Se puede decir, break in
Armin thinks that eren's plan is just to show a bit of the rumbling as a threat, NOT to kill everyone
He's unsure, a couple episodes he wondered if Eren was considering killing everyone
@@annaairahala9462 yeah, armin wants to believe in the Eren of his own making not the Eren that is true to his self. He knows want Eren plans to do but doesnt believe that Eren would do it at all.
When Eren said he was disappointed in his father, he wasn't lying. He was disappointed that Grisha could not kill the entire royal family, only with Eren's help
This shows you that he is a psychopatic murderer. Something aint been sitting right with me since the moment he was introduced to us
I think he was disappointed because Grisha told Zeke to stop Eren.
@@luciferkotsutempchannel no zeke made I clear he was talking about grisha hesitating and needing to be persuaded
@@Thompson98PL By your logic there are almost shifters psychopathic murderers
To people wondering how Eren made contact with Grisha:
- Grisha basically saw FUTURE Eren's memories (which is the Eren we will see later on in the series) through CURRENT Eren's eyes (which is the Eren in this episode watching Grisha's memories)
- Basically Grisha saw himself through CURRENT Eren's POV/Eyes that's why he could tell Zeke was there because Eren could see Zeke. And that's why he knows Eren is there because he is watching himself through Eren's eyes.
- To make it simpler: Grisha - Future Eren's Memories (through Current Eren's eyes) - and then back to Grisha
- Grisha saw FUTURE Eren's memories which is the CURRENT Eren watching his fathers memories.
Eren kissing historia's hand:
- Eren basically saw FUTURE Eren's plan through Grisha's Memories. Basically Grisha saw FUTURE Eren's plan and since CURRENT Eren can access Grisha's memories seeing the FUTURE Eren's plan, then he could basically see the future.
- To make it simpler: Grisha saw FUTURE Eren's Memories - CURRENT/PAST Eren (When he kissed Historia) saw Grisha seeing FUTURE Eren's Memories.
It's a litte bit confusing but all in all they basically just see each others memories seeing each others memories
-by @kamon
Eren whispered in Isayama's ear and told him to write this story, i have no proof but neither doubt
I just want to highlight that POUNDING PRESSURE Eren exerted throughout the episode, which was at times unbearable. It was truly a breathtaking experience. Loved your analysis as alwaysss
The sounds that come when Eren’s face is pissed could easily haunt my dreams. Very unsettling
@@tannerrobb8379 YES, my chest shrank when i felt that hatred lurking in the back of my neck
Eren is actually really scary
An interesting fact is that a staff member who worked on faces expressions/animations this episode previously worked as staff in Death Note
The episode started with Zeke and Eren coming together and ended with them falling apart. Also Zeke had a whole character transformation in the space of 20 minutes.
I have cried already for Grisha and Zeke's scene but watching you reacting made me cry once again, I love this channel!
that reminds me of new theory based on the new opening and this episode:
on episode 2, when Eren refuses to eat the bread, there's a person with a dark "hoodie" that appears on the scene, right after Mikasa hits Eren. that could very well be Eren going to the past again…
and it would be an AMAZING reference, because it is there since 2013 you know!?
plus, the fact that the scene where Grisha looks to "Eren from the future" is the exact same way it is on episode 1, proves that Isayama has put a lot of easter eggs back in season one for us.
It wasn't in episode 1, they cut it, likely the animators didn't realize the significance of it at the time like a few other foreshadowing bits that were accidentally cut. In the manga though it did show Grisha looking off awkwardly into space when talking about the basement in the 1st chapter.
@@Michaelonyoutub i didn't see that, thanks for the comment! but i also didn't comment my idea correctly, i meant the scene as a whole, not only that specific scene… the way Grisha was acting and how weird it sounded at first, was very suspicious, because the scene made it look like he was kinda afraid or maybe a bit scared of something… i always thought that but never paid too much attention.
You are the only AOT reactors I await to watch! No one else comes close to you both!
despite being dead for the majority of the show everytime grishas appears it completely changes the dynamics of the show. partially because of how complex of a character he is but also the way his voice actor plays him like hes hamlet or some other grand tragic figure. i keep thinking how ironic it is that eren was probably the kind of son he wanted in liberio( a boy with a hardened will and determination) and zeke was probably the child he would want living somewhat peacefully in paradis
Just a little advice: you can watch "turtle quirk" video where he breaks down this episode to more understand how the memories actually work and how eren manipulated his father. He made a great explanation.
@UCsrwR0snjpG-sB7GfByee5Q in his breakdown of the episode he didn't spoil. He just explained ho the memories worked.
my post-AOT therapy is watching these two experience it
Grisha screaming is always painful.
Grisha Yeager's voice actor is the GOAT!
•Some AOT fans when spoiled by the whole manga: spoils everybody.
•Eren when spoiled by kissing Historia's hand: Shuts his mouth and keeps moving forward.
•Grisha when spoiled: "IT'S TERRIBLE! ZEKE, STOP EREN!"
this episode was insane ...what i cant get my head around is this: all that Eren wants is freedom right? ...but from what we got so far it implies that he is not.. and he will never be ....great reaction as always ..
That's probably why his one emotion since kissing Historia's hand has been anger.
To explain things clear :
attack Titan can see memories of future users -originally grisha didn't want to kill but eren persuaded him to
- since grisha can see eren's memories, (eren is the user after grisha) grisha is basically seeing himself, but in eren's POV, which means grisha is aware that eren was watching him, which is why he was shouting if he was happy about his decision. If you watch closely in the episode you can notice in some scenes it looks like grisha was staring at eren right at the face (when grisha told younger eren about the key to the basement).
I think that when Eren kissed Historia's hand, everything (and I mean everything) played inside his mind and he had time to actually see them. Remember that the Paths/Coordinate is technically outside of time so even if the kiss just happened in a second, it could've been years worth of playbacks and memories for Eren. This is why it is called a loop, set in stone, a domino effect,.
Why does he need Zeke when Historia is there?
@@randomlygeneratedname7171 Historia's future needs to be sacrificed and be turned into a titan in order for it to work. Eren doesn't want that. Also, Eren can see the future and influence the past. Zeke will always gonna be the one that he touches, and he needed Zeke to send him to the memory trip in order to complete the loop.
I love how warm and cozy the two of you look in all of your videos.
Grisha’s VA needs a raise asap
Eren not only manipulated grisha but may be even many past attack titan shifters for his goals
That's why grisha said 'we all have been led by these memories , for this moment '
It may be possible that this is the reason why attack titan always fights for freedom because eren subconsciously passed on his will for freedom into all attack titans just like vow of renouncing war
In other words , attack titan isn't within eren , eren is the attack titan
Since s4 pt 1 began we have not gone one ep without crying. This is truly ✨EMotIoNaL dAmAgE✨
The faces of disbelief and mixed emotions for this episode is the reason why im binge watching your reactions. I love your reviews too, u guys are amazing. It's fun rewatching AOT with you two❤
25:50 both in the first volume of the manga and the first episode of the anime we see Grisha looking not at Eren, but in another direction, now we know why
This episode makes you realize that the first 3 seasons were basically the main villian's backstory lol
Eren Yaeger just became one of the greatest protagonist in history, such an incredibly well written character
greatest antagonist, you mean? or maybe the greatest anti-hero? maybe the greatest protagonist.
We can't say, #JustErenThings
Is he the villain though? As a child his entire world view was destroyed by outsiders who slaughtered thousands upon thousands of his people including his mom by feeding them to titans, he is doing everything in his power to ensure that no one can ever hurt his friends again.
@@prateekmishra7318 He's not an antagonist, he's a protagonist
Protagonist means "The main character of the story being told", people mix those terms pretty often
@@scoutalejan8259 , I get that, but Eren's character also fits the description/definition of antagonist. Hence the comment.
@@prateekmishra7318 Tbh, I don't even know what he is anymore
He's a protagonist, antagonist, hero, villian, antihero and antivillian at the same time lol all I know is that I've never seen a character so well developed and written as him, this is one of the first few times that a turn to the dark side feels earned and believable
it still amazes me how adult eren made appearances on the first few episodes of aot. we just didnt know back then 🤯 i fcking love this show.
Tragedy of grisha :
- Lost his sister
- Lost his wife
- Lost his 2nd wife, killed by his 1st wife
- His 1st son is a traitor
- His 2nd son is a psychopath.
His dad is also in a mental institution
i’m constantly amazed by your reactions, your so thoughtful about every little thing. it helps me see some things differently. love u guys
Episode 1: To You, in 2000 Years
Episode 80: From you, 2000 years ago
Siento que el próximo episodio sera la joya de la corona.
Eren was so disgusted with Frieda’s words, and by extension the kings ideology, for it to get him that angry. The king has passed down his will, his vow renouncing war for generations and would gladly let all Eldians be massacred because he sees it as penance. Eren is the direct contrast and will fight till the bitter end for freedom.
I don't know if this might be considered a spoiler, so warning
I think more than Eren, it's the Attack Titan who is disgusted at the king's ideology, because that is essentially it's place in the world: to push for freedom and never stop
@@soffiapiano SPOILER:
Eren is the last attack titan, and since we know the attack titan can see the future through inheritors to act and push for freedom, it’s Erens own will and drive for freedom that is the reason for the attack titan having those traits. In other words, it’s Eren who has directly influenced every attack titan before him
which entails killing everyone and everything lol......
Also I think when he said he was disgusted with his father, there was some truth to that. He was disgusted that his father, who has also listened to the king's ridiculous spiel and has just as much if not more reason to go through with killing the Reiss family, hesitates to do it in the end. I think some of that disgust comes out in how he talks down to Grisha in order to motivate Grisha to do what he needs to do.
yep, im with eren on this one.
u reap what u sow: The world brought and raised hatred on that island, now the island is here to bring back the hate🤷🏽♂️
the last few episodes and the next few episodes are just so great and I love seeing everyone react to them
Eren saw his future memories through Grisha's memories when he kissed Historia's hand in s3 and that's why he's been depressed and dead inside eversince because he already knows everything that's about to happen and what he must do to protect his people from his enemies
I thought I was prepared for all of it since I read the manga but man that Zeke and Grisha scene broke me. What an episode!! Really can't wait to experience it all over again
The intro discussion hit so many important points omg!!! It's so awesome to hear such a committed analysis of the current situation 😭😭😍
esperando la parte 3 para que la reaccionen
son las mejores ,las extraño