The Psychology of Trolling
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- Опубликовано: 1 июн 2024
- As denizens of the internet, most of us are familiar with the trolls. In this episode of SciShow, learn a little about how social scientists think trolls came to be, and how online communities are figuring it all out.
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Donald Trump and Hilary Clinton crashes their car.Who survives?America
that leaves Bernie Sanders and Ted Cruz as they are both parties second winning canidate for the nomination
America will never survive at this rate
I don't know anyone who is pro- Trump or Hillary. How the fuck did this election even happen??!?
Trolls. Trolls voted for Trump. Idiots voted for Clinton. Then there is Bernie.
+Don't tread on my waifu Except that there are more than two candidates/parties in the election...
The Definition of Trolling:
Before: Pretend to be a douche
Now: Be a douche
Succ Cucc
HOLY 90'S KIDS WILL REMEMBER.
+Ody Stop trolling. You're annoying people. Douche.
I'm a douche. Now according to the Internet i'm a troll...
Also according to a guy with 50k subs saying that a game doesn't use DirectX11 makes me a troll...
Trolling is fun. I know you are trolling to trolls.
"Don't feed the troll" is hands down the best advice on the internet, and the hardest to follow.
The easiest way to do this is to cut them off and think how they feel as nobody is playing ball.😉
Reacting to them at all is rewarding them.
React to them only if they stop being a douchebag, that rewards them for not being a douchebag.
@@grmpEqweer Positive Reinforcement and Negative Punishment are very powerful tools when combined
in other words, allow people each to have their own opinions and don't force your opinion on anyone. I'm sorry you find that hard to follow.
actually there are people, who enjoy feeding the trolls just to troll them back, while they making themselfs vunerable by exposing themselfs.
Trolls love the internet because it gives them a platform to spew their hatred anonymously, with no consequences. They can't get away with saying the same awful innapropriate stuff in real life.
I think most trolling is done by teens who grow out of the behaviour. (Most teens aren’t trolls. But most trolls are teens.)
Nah man I still troll people tolled my brother to type only fans if he wanted to see some RUclipsrs Instagram and when he did another thing he asked for help I told him to type peg*ing and he hates when I remind him
@@redelfshotthefood8213 nahhh, trolling isn’t a normal thing to do. It’s an anti social behavior. They usually become sad unhealthy adults. Hence the fat guy in mommas basement writing nasty comments stereotype
@@FullyOnVolks Trolling has no practical meaning. Trolling is just a word people use to avoid being confronted with what they are actually doing so they feel less guilty doing it. Gen Z hates confrontation so it makes sense.
@@gorillamasterofgaming5525 agreed. It’s sad the way people are becoming. Social media was meant to elevate us all, not create people just sitting there attacking others.
i miss the times when trolls were forest creatures that turned to stone when sunlight hit them..
That's why I stay in my room with my face plastered on my computer. Times havent changed.
lmao
i feel you here
+I eat kids Souls that's the best thing I've ever heard
Too True, Brother, Too True...
Free speech is the right to speak without being jailed by the government. Free speech does not mean that other people have to accept you as a part of their community if all you do is vomit abuse.
If you are banned from a forum for trolling, that's not an infringement upon your human rights - it's the forum administrators doing what is _their_ right to keep their forum clean.
If you are confronted with something that you've said because it was offensive, that is also not an infringement upon your rights. Just as you have the right to speak, everyone else has the right to call you out if what you say is unacceptable.
If you are fired from your job for making unwanted sexual advances towards your coworkers, that is also not an infringement upon your rights. If you are actively sabotaging workplace relations and endangering teamwork and productivity, your boss has every right to replace you with someone more suited to the position.
Free speech is not a free pass to be an arsehole.
Well said.
How about this then... RUclips suddenly added moderators and one of them doesn't agree with your point of view in this comment, so he decides to remove it, I think you'd be pretty pissed.
In a black and white world this would be true , but people abuse power and can use it to be a massive dick. Sometimes you can be banned simply for not complying with the desired views and ideology of hat group or community , most of the time it's not put on paper or anything , they just make up rules you've violated and get some sort of sick twisted pleasure from asserting their dominance over another human being by being a massive dick or by silencing them and their views. It can be perfectly harmless views , the more dark and messed up views I can understand the moderation of. Its when people who really shouldn't be given power are given power and they abuse it , that's when there is a problem.
How sweet is the low-hanging fruit of using "unwanted sexual advances" as an example? How about when you're fired for presenting a respectful disagreement with a tumblrina's opinions, or when you're fired for telling a "big dongle"-joke without maintaing the 10-yard safety distance from a radfem womanchild?
To whom do you give the job of deciding what sincerely held and respectfully presented opinions are _'offensive'_ and fit for punishment and silencing? And how do you define 'offence' in a way that isn't laughably subjective and prone to abuse?
*These are the actual subject matters,* and repeating cencorship-apologetic rhetoric like "it isn't censorship if the power structure that is punishing you for your scincerely held beliefs doesn't happen to be the government" only makes you sound like you've never read any of the arguments against your position ever.
***** The great thing about this country is that anyone can speak. The bad thing about this country is that ANYONE can speak. Verbal racism and xenophobia? Death threats? Propaganda? Does that seem harmless to you?
It really helps us to see how many "sick people" are really out there in society but were hiding it from their family & friends. There are way more sick-minded people than we can even realize.
I have said for over 20 years of my life, that the majority of our species are evil. I didn't say "kind of dirty". I didn't say "misguided". I said
Evil.
Manipulative, calculated, plan to harm another, evil.
@@thepatriotbangingxi4718 I honestly feel the same… I am thankful everyday I don’t treat people poorly and can have enjoyable interactions with just about anyone… it’s peaceful
Because what someone says on the internet is totally 100% what they think in real life.
I'm a troll my family knows my freaking friends know
@@xxmansoorxx2000 same. I’ll proudly pronounce I’m a troll. It’s not a shameful title. Trolling is an art. Something to be mastered. Something to be proud of.
I was surprised people over the age of 16 actually "troll" people... I used to troll the youtube comments when I was like 13-14 because when you are that age you think annoying people is funny... and that is just that age... but a grown ass adult spending their time trolling people? WTF?
We do large amounts of trolling
It's sometimes reverse because when grown ass adult trolls were young they didn't have the courage to "troll"
@@rollercoaster2659 noob
@@0megazeero we do a reasonable amount of tomfoolery
Because their pain, anger, sadness, or frustration satiate our lust for discordance. There are no tangible risks associated with most trolling, unlike in the real world where your dignity is situated
I generally find that 99% of trolls can be defeated with utter boredom. Like, if you are trying to troll me and I make it as boring and unpleasant as possible, then you're probably just going to give up and leave. With one or two exceptions, I have been able to combat every troll I've met with this. In some situations it is best to just leave, like if you are in a chat on Twitch or something, just ignore the person. However, there are other situations where you are literally forced to continue talking to them, like if you are in the middle of a CS:GO or Rainbow 6 Siege match and need to talk to your other team mates. In those situations it is best to give simple and short answers that express no emotion at all for the length of time that you are forced to talk to them, be it a few minutes or multiple hours. Sometimes you might not be prepared and will get blindsided, but eventually you will learn to always keep your guard up for someone trying to screw with you. Once you do that, you'll find slipping into your flat, monotone mindset easy and automatic. Get all that down pat and you'll be helping cure the world of trolls one by one!
Just agree with everything they say to the extreme. It's funny watching them try to deal with it.
I'm not going to finish reading it it was to long I got bored on the third line
That's some really good advice, thanks.
+ScottyBoi yo lawn mower
ScottyBoi Australian, I see? We call them cigarettes here in America, mate.
Many different flavors of trolling, but we all know they are in it for the salt!
+Prorok Gówno that was oddly specific. sounds like somebody is speaking from experience.
+John Dough lol that guy got roasted nice one
knboljn
Congratulations Portugal :)
Wtf
One thing we all know about trolls. They’ll never say it to your face.
Pssh. I know what I am, and I tell people all of the time.
I miss the freedom the internet used to have, and I want it back.
Like sociopaths, they refuse to admit they are the problem and can't accept responsibility
What’s the fun in that.
Yeah, this video is not all true. Most trollers are most sympathetic people in real life but see them act like dough bags for some nefarious agenda makes the trolling go grey.
@@createmymy7851 Press x to doubt
Everybody gangsta, until you realize he didn’t blink once throughout the video.
2shay
Editing is strong with this one
kiloisnear full of shite
Ohh god your pfp tho...
8:21
Sorry to rain on the party haha
Why do people die when they're killed?
Because of science
Why do killed people no longer laugh at my hilarious jokes?
That only happens if you kill them to death.
just because you're correct, doesn't mean you're right
my god you're right
The feeling a person gets from trolling, must be the same feeling people get in traffic. You almost never see people as rude or aggressive in person, as they are behind the wheel.
I do but I frighten people in public bathrooms for fun while they're pooping.
@@chucknutly3290 😆
The comment at the end about feeding the trolls made me remember the one time I actually beat I troll. He didn't post anything in that comment thread for almost a week. Then a new person posts a comment "yelling" at him and he's right back at it again...they just *had* to feed him, didn't they?
I doubt your 13 yr old self knows what a troll really is. You call anyone who disagrees with you a troll
I had one where everytime someone says something he replies with 😁.
So, i did the same thing to him, but three times more often. He's dead silent now.
@@m_i_g_5108 hey we know you're a troll
@@almondyurh9982 We all whole heartedly believe you, Nur Alfiyyah Muhad Rizal
@Sovereignwind : Could it be that your troll was silent because their focus was elsewhere for a week? Some new enthusiasm, such as a new computer game, consumed them for that week?
I see trolls as people like we used to be when we did prank phone calls! We thought we were the funniest people in the world.
@scsyc bxcvbx good lol
@scsyc bxcvbx Saw your comment on this video but I'm not able to reply to it.
Question: Have you been diagnosed with something along the lines of narcissism, psychopathy, sadism, sociopathy/anti-social behavior? And/or do you gain pleasure from the unsatisfaction of other people? -- And if so, what do you view the other person as? Just curiousity here's all
@scsyc bxcvbx I see
@scsyc bxcvbx poor little guy 😭
But Jesus Christ can solve EVERYTHING.
HE is the ONE AND ONLY ✝️SAVIOR✝️
🙏📿 ba ahb kubrail loskzaea
@@aspentune2719 Jesus cannot solve anything since he said John 5:30 "I can do nothing by Myself."
All this talk about "trolling" and not a mention of "Misidentified as a troll" part. It's easy to label something you don't agree with as "just a troll", even when they make very good points.
Yeah, that's a huge problem as well. This addressed genuine trolls, and it sounded pretty accurate in that regard. However, dehumanization has been well(ish?) studied. By calling someone a troll, they attempt to absolve themselves of any cognitive dissonance that their good arguments cause. How well it works on average I wonder about though.
Even having an opinion contrary to the group can get a huge amount of negative feedback from others agreeable to the consensus.
that's true, but it isn't an issue even comparable to trolling. plus, you can thank trolls for those misunderstandings.
trolling is not an issue
Shut up troll
Alright you got me I'm really not Kim Jung Un
I sexually identify as kim jung un and this triggers me.
That's right, you are Abe.
+alpha romeo I dont think kim jung un is a sexual trait... or am i wrong
Lies! ALL LIES!
Or you really are, and you're just trolling everyone. You evil dictator you.
(plz don't nuke me)
I found it ironic that you said trolls often dehumanize other online users. I've always dehumanized trolls as sadistic, tormented and miserable creatures.
@@insideanimationmccrary3344 wrong emotion outlet, hunny
You can easily spot trolls on RUclips, look at their profiles and you'll see that they havent had any history or subscribers on their profiles, just recently made accounts.
"You know that saying, Don't read the comments!"
* immediately looks at the comments*
😅
feeding the trolls is entertaining though.
(aussie accent)
lookie there.. right.. thats a wild troll. out in their natural habitat... scouring and prowling for its next meal
😂
@@thedeadguy especially when you're the one getting fed
Don't read the comments guys, it's a North Korean minefield down there.
...It's already too late by the time they see your warning. lol
Thanks to the supreme wisdom of the divine leader, Kim Jong-un, North Korea has no minefields, only flower fields.
*****
Yes, absolutely nobody came back from DMZ and said there were mines there.
I don't know what you're referencing.
( O_〉O)?
We are referencing the truth. Try that instead of propaganda and see what you prefer.
As a former troll, most of what you’ve said is partly correct, but you’re forgetting a huge factor. Being 12 years old. The most aggressive trolls tend to be younger. As they grow older, they either grow out of it completely or become more witty and original with their trollings.
Witty trolls I'm ok with. But there are sadly 30+ year old trolls who still behave like 12 year olds.
Michael Caine as Alfred said it best in “The Dark Knight” ....
“Some people just want to watch the world burn.”
@@4theloveoffashion959 True, people shouldnt use the excuse that because they were hurt they should hurt others. Its a disgusting thing to do.
Those beta boys should grow a pair of balls and fix their own shyt. If they can't do what the Joker has done in the real world then they can shut up go rubbing their clits
who's this "four-chan"?
your momma
and I thought it was darude sandstorm...
That was before the fire nation attacked....
He's this really big "hacker" super dangerous don't look it up
It's a very large My little pony community that welcome all those post pictures of the show in their boards.
how to evaluate if a death treath is to be taken serious:
if someone threatens you on the internet dont be upset
the percentage of threaths that are serious is so close to 0 that you probably shouldnt worry
its more likely to get struck by lightning
What if they tell you your exact address?
then you better run
thats bullshit. you are one of those people who need to go through shit in order to maybe understand what it's like.
Nahchuva
nope
you are just an idiot
i got more death threaths on the internet than anyone can count and here i am well and alive
i dont have a clue where you would get the idea that the fact of the matter is any different than i wrote
If you are a troll, than by all means, PLEASE come to my house. Nothing would make me happier. I'll get the basement ready.
Is it just a coincidence that this guy has an actual “troll” haircut?
Give this man the $10,000 dollars
lol so someone actually said it
@Sir Man i think he is talking about the trolls from the kids movie :)
Maybe he came to live after a curse was lifted.
Your comment had me dying 😂
I used to collect trolls in the 60"s. My favorite one had crazy long black braids and silver loops in both ears.
Times have changed the meaning of words Trolls.. Surfing..
you're old
@Aaron Ehrhart 😎☺️🤣🤪
We do a little trolling, it's called we do a little trolling.
-Donald J. Trump 45th President of the U.S.
@@DixieSchizo
🤔~~~~~🤪
Don't you just hate it when people reply to their own comments?
I do
+Gino Colin Me neither
no
+gibbythebest kotwal aint no prob
+gibbythebest kotwal amiright?
What if I enjoy trolling other trolls? does that make me a bad person?
Justice is never a bad thing
Trolling a troll is smart. Keep doing it they just hate that.
As long as it's pretty harmless, its okay i guess...
Your not a bad person, your just like Dexter
The serial killer who kills other serial killers
It makes you a troll. Wether or not ur a good won, thats for god to decide. #PRAZEJESUS
Don’t ever care about the trolls. They are nothing more than just people who were rejected by their friends and the respect of others for a good reason. They are trying to substitute this by attacking others online.
@@SuperFlyGamingPants Get a life.
@@wilderbeast9368 Nah nah dude, you treat that one as if they're not there in the first place of this comment.
@@lalelilelu1835 If you want to do nothing to put out a fire, go ahead.
@@wilderbeast9368 Bruh that's fire? It ain't much of a life threat like fire, but sure I get the point if it's becoming harassment and death threats.
@@lalelilelu1835 Just pointing out that doing nothing has never solved anything. I didn't just sit there in math class and then the equation suddenly became right either, as another example. The fact that people have been convinced by Trolls that they are the exception to literally every other case ever, is scary and proof of their rise into becoming a real problem.
I really think that trolling and self esteem are related, and that it can be like a drug.
NEVER feed the trolls, if you even slightly think someone could be trolling ignore it and move on. Any response they get will only feed them and cause them to grow and want to post more. If they get no attention of any kind they will get bored and give up.
That is sssooooooo untrue. Trolls hate it when you respond to them.
***** I think part of the reason people continue to argue is that they believe that by continuing to comment, continuing to unravel troll arguments, the troll eventually reaches a singularity where he can no longer argue to infuriate the victim. The victim is clearly no longer infuriated by the troll's comments. Otherwise, the victim would have left the chain eventually.
A second theory is that the victim learns too late in the game that the troll is really a troll. In these cases, arguing the troll is a troll seems like a cop out to avoid addressing the troll's arguments. This means that the victim is forced into a mainstream view of the world, where no beliefs can be challenged. Some people consider this cop out to be twitter logic, in other words, "I don't agree with you, therefore you are a troll." Calling a person a troll could easily be construed as an ad hominim
In my safe spaaaace.
Gootman Boats You went from posting a trolling comment to that. Damn man, I enjoyed your insight.
Thanks. I sometimes troll, but it's not intended to be aggressive. It was only a test to see if someone would reply that I was being facetious, which would essentially feed the troll.
Your right to free speech is not the right to freedom from consequence of it.
Right. If I don't like someone's speech, I am perfectly within my rights to throw them out of my house, and that goes for any website that I create as well. Claiming that anyone should be able to say anything anywhere is asinine.
If you believe that, then go yell 'Fire!' in a crowded theater.
All constitutional rights have limits and regulations.
Indeed. Death threats, incitation of violence, saying something that might physically hurt someone (eg fooling someone to do something that will harm him or her) is not freedom of speech, but violence.
Besides words can hurt. Emotional abuse is done mostly through words. Bullying (in families or schools) is not only done through physical violence.
People who want to exercise freedom of speech should understand it first.
People have distorted free speech. In any real community you'd be excommunicated at best for some of the shit trolls say.
Corey Doyle Maybe not excommunicated.... but not taken seriously anymore
"What goes through the mind of a troll?"
Their parents beating them like a dog.
@Great Cornholio don't insult dogs
Great Cornholio You are wrong he was correct
Do people actually beat dogs that much? Is that really more common than child abuse???
@@yucol5661 naturally it would be more common
What da dog doing?
Back into 2001 I went into a chatroom for the first time and as I joke I said "I like pokemon" and someone replied, "go poke your mom" - My first troll
Haha.
That link in 8:10 though...
omg didn't notice hahahaha
8:57 John Cena, Classic!
+HitokiriShingo lol I was about to fast forward there
+HitokiriShingo wow u got me
hahaha so i wasn't the only one XD
how to defeat a troll? Just get a billy goat!
best response ever.
As long as he is Gruff
Lol
Get 3, Just to be safe
Make sure it is the last billy goat...
I will never understand mean spirited trolls. What kind of person takes enjoyment from hurting others like that?
In my experience, the best and funniest trolls are less like trolls and more like comedians tricking people into thinking their jokes aren’t jokes.
I've gotten to the point where the person I am online, has become the person I am in real life.
Im gonna get shot one day, I swear.
god damn, glad its not just me
I Feel Like This Is Happening To Me As Well And I Really Dont Mind
Do You Capitalize Every Word You Speak, IRL? I wonder how that sounds..
I'm curious as to whether kanaya does it manually or with some kind of plug-in...
+Niraj Gupta there's no plugins that capitalize every word you type. That's not even possible for a plugin to do.
Can we take a moment to honor the greatest troll of all? Ken M.
TRIGGERED
What about our friend the avocado?
who's ken m
reddit.com/r/kenm
+seth does stuff FUCKING TRIGGERED
Trolls can be very sadistic. If they think they are losing an argument with you or they are one of those conspiracy theorist types that are suspicious of EVERYONE and think you are something you are not, they can stop very low in harassing you. Hacking and tampering with your online activities is NOT above them. Beware!
Great post!!! Covers the topic in-depth better than anything else I've seen.Thank you.
Very interesting... you know, it's kind of like driving a car but on a whole new level. I've seen nice folks transform into monsters on the road because they're shielded from other people [to an extent].
I am in road safety, I totally agree. We actually make a note of looking at the driver and getting their car reg, and the eye contact helps make the driver drive slow. It is quite funny to watch, reducing their anonynimity, which I cannot spell lol, but they forget their car has a registration which often leads to their home address, doh!
A driver is also wearing, in effect, hundreds of pounds of armour. This can lead to more aggressive behaviour on the road.
@@redelfshotthefood8213 I agree with what you say, but I'd describe the car as a weapon. I know that in battle royale games, players that only have armor will play more defensively, where as players that only have a gun will be more aggressive. It could also be both.
I love your channel! Did not expect to see an old comment from you here.
Or are they just pretending to be nice normally?
"What goes throught the mind of a troll?"
Absolutely nothing.
Aaaaaaaaaand a weeb says this.
says the loli fan, disgusting
Iara Amelia just like your mind.
Aiden Pearce you really want to know what goes through our minds? I personally like to know how others think. And why they think the way they do.and usually they are just repeating what they hear or see on tube and don’t actually think about the subject.
My Iq is huge. I am actually very intelligent, so I am fit to say that the thing that goes through a troll is probably hunger. Hunger for existentialism. If they watched Rick and Morty, it'll probably reduce the intensity.
It's a simple answer..people with low self esteem who want attention that wouldn't dare say the things they say online to that person's face or out loud in general
We do a little trolling, it’s called we do a little trolling.
🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱
I feel like Ken M. should have received an honourable mention.
P.S. You may have the right to express yourself however which way you want. You also have the right to have your expressions go completely unheard.
What about the psychology of people who troll trolls? I admit that that is something I've taken part in in the past, and kind of enjoyed doing.
Whoever trolls trolls, say I! I!
It feels good to see justice served
That's just healthy behaviour and it's called justice!
What about the psychology of people who troll _troll_ trolls? Mind blown, right? :D
I'd say it depends on why you get pleasure from it. Is it hat you have a desire to hurt people, and find trolls to be acceptable targets? Or is because you have a sense of justice, and are trying to make it harder to troll without repercussions. Or maybe even letting them know what it's like?
To be honest, chances are it's a little of 1 and a lot of 2 and 3. And the part 1 isn't really good.
And I say this as someone else who trolls trolls. I've actually gotten a troll to stop trolling over it! Well, except me, who he hates and still trolls.
I'm drinking orange juice right now
Fuck you, apple juice is better.
I'm a pineapple juice kind of guy..
fucking troll
+Incredible Canemian fuck apple juice its all about grape juice
Butt juice is the best
I like that, "Don't feed the trolls."
@ჯსსჯ irony
This video made me want to do harmless trolling
Its pretty easy to troll when a lot of people don't know how to respond to it and since theres so much bad advice out there. So from somebody who does troll from time to time I will give you some ways to stop trolls:
(Boring but effective ways)
1. quietly get the troll blocked/muted/ignored by as many people as possible (If you announce it the troll will feel like they're winning because they made you mad enough to mute them)
2. get an admin to remove the troll from whatever platform they're on if possible (They might come back but if you keep doing it for long enough most will get bored and move on)
(Fun ways)
3. Repeatedly spam the word "edgy" or something similar and try to get more people to do the same (Throwing random insults makes the troll feel like you're frustrated and don't know what to do about it, and by just spamming the same thing over and over gives the troll nothing new to look at which can bore them.)
4. Spam the troll's dms (If the troll is low level enough to be bothered by dm spamming they will probably start to lose interest pretty quick but this doesn't work with a lot of trolls)
5. Find if you and the troll have any servers for forums in common and try to get them punished on there (This is pretty rare to be able to do this but if you're lucky enough to share another server and the admins of that server are willing to go monitor what hes doing and get him punished on their server it can make the troll feel that there are consequences for trolling and will stop them pretty quick. This can also demoralize the troll quite a bit and might prevent future trolling from them for a while.)
Once a conversation ends up in using Hitler in an argument, the discussion is ended/ruined.
You know who else would say that?
Hitler.
What about a discussion that is _about_ hitler or something closely related to him :o
Will the discussion end upon the first argument being made?
ErgoCogita LMFAO! That's priceless.
I disagree. Using Hitler in an Ad Hominem ruins the discussion, yes. Just bringing up Hitler, and more importantly his actions, doesn't degrade the discussion by default however. He might one of the most interesting case studies, surely there are points to be made based on him. Whether or not the quality of the dialogue changes is dependent on the quality of the arguments, not on what examples are used.
Jackboy019
Lubricants.
The hacker known as 4chan at it again!
But who is this foouuuurrr chaaaan?
4chan is a web page ;)
+inYourFace I looked at the website, and it looks like shit. Tumblr is better than 4chan.
+Kabugula Gothitell I'm not part of anonymous. I don't get it.
and reddit aswell
I really enjoyed this episode. It is full of great information, thanks!
Thank you! This has been on my mind for years!
internet trolling is hilarious when they don't go overboard and make threats and stuff.
mkg 21 relatedable
Yeah, I kinda have like two different kinds of trolling categories. Like there is funny trolling, saying or doing stupid stuff that can be funny and entertaining. Then there are trolls who are just obnoxious, yknow the random people who just join and start screaming slurs, or play really loud noises(after people have yelled at you to stop), and then people who destroy hours of work. Like there is the trolls where everyone is laughing, and then there is the trolls where it's one guy laughing by himself while everyone else is miserable. Like to me trolling can be summed up to a few questions:
1. Is it harmless/easy to undo?
2. Will it's impact be very limited?
3. Will it be appropriate considering the present age group/situation?
4. Do others know that it is a joke?
If the answer to any of these is "no", you probably shouldn't do it. You shouldn't throw around slurs on roblox, that's just messed up, just like you shouldn't destroy someone's stuff it took them days to build, and that one joke shouldn't result in, say, hours of clean-up or repairs. Like a jump scare website is funny to me, that's something that's harmless, haha you scared them, but then if someone joins a server and starts blowing up vehicles or equipment that took people hours to get, that crosses a line.
Brandon Tackett
Matthew Smith Yeah, the age thing goes a long way. Once in elementary school a teacher sent my teacher a jump scare thing- and we didn’t know it was one. Suffice to say my small child brain didn’t take well to it and now I have a crippling fear of being alone near blank television screens and large projector screens. (I’ve gotten much better though)
Well obviously you’re not a real troll then. Fuckin casual
Don't feed the trolls
unless you feed them to the dragons.
DallyDragon have you considered self immolation?
DallyDragon feed them to the small African child laborers in the wine cellar
DallyDragon Wtf is wrong with you
I'm in pretty good health and i'm happy so not too much wrong with me :)
DallyDragon Don't know about that
we do a little trolling
It's called we do a little trolling
@@fbiagent9666 we do a little trollging
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I've got bad mean tolls. 4 1/2 year's hearing high frequency noise. I'm glad I can get to know them now Thanks
Too often people accuse a person of being a "troll" just because that person said something they don't agree with, often the comments aren't even all that aggressive. Other times, even though a person says something that seems troll-ish, it might be what that person seriously and honestly believes.
No. I think we all know a troll when we see one and I've never seen someone falsely accused of being one.
i have.
No a troll is always repetitive, and everybody knows it, like is somebody is repetedly stating the same that and being really stubborn abnormally, that's trolling for example
First off, I don't disagree that the term troll is sometimes misused in the way you state. People who are just trying to have a conversation get accused of knowing that they'd get a bad reaction and doing it for the lulz.
That said, honest belief doesn't make something not trolling. The question is whether it was posted to disrupt or to get reactions. I sincerely am pro-choice and a Christian. If I made a Christian pro-choice post on a message board known for pro-lifers just to see their heads explode, I'd still be trolling.
And, of course, not all trolling is aggressive. I know a place where someone trolled about being a quadriplegic, spun elaborate lies that got people to like them, and then posted as someone else saying they died. Still trolling, without being aggressive at all.
good point
I used to actively troll. I was a mean, ugly troll. Then someone found out who I was. And in turn I was exposed, harassed, threatened, my family was notified, my job was notified... my ex husband ended up leaving, his family also turned their back on me, I lost my job, and I hit a depression so low that I tried to kill myself and came very close to success. It's not worth it. Don't be mean on the Internet people. You never know who you are messing with.
Why did you do it though?
How did they find out?
@@Entoni_Spirkoski she never said she did but you right.
What if you commit plain stupidity?
Wow you must have been very mean for that kind of mess to happen. Couldn't you have been a fun, cheeky troll?
Blessed today i discovered this channel , saw some vods and i can say the people are really good and get you the idea even when you're dealing hard with english medias
My cat died. His soul brought me here today. I write a song about him on my RUclips here, but nobody would watch.... Thankyou for this. 🐱 Meow.
Yes I do act differently on line because where else can I die over and over
Con Man real life
Con Man Assuming being alive is simply having living cells, you can intentionally develop tumors and keep dying forever.
Zero deaths
What kind of line do you act differently on?
Vidya Gaemz.
I've found that patience is a really good weapon against trolls, if you don't turn angry but rather keep answering them politely and constructively they will generally become mader at you than you are at them and then they come across as the nutjobs. Then again I might only be able to do this since I am autistic and thus have almost infinite patience.
I am so glad there is somewhere to go for dependable science information. There is an inherent flaw with letting anyone post information. Some of it is wrong. Thank you.
Wow thank you for this. I needed this.
I used to troll so hard on runescape back in the day I can still remember this one guy I couldn't break no matter how hard I tried he ended up trolling me
Videos like this make me happy. Since "troll" has entered the mainstream lexicon, I've had to see people constantly use it as a term for anyone who disagrees with them, rather than what a troll ACTUALLY IS.
This also reminded me that I once did get a troll to stop talking shit on a memorial page for a classmate of mine who had died by doing exactly what the girl who described in this video did--humanizing the experience. At the time, I was pleasantly surprised and REALLY confused by the fact that me explaining the gravity of my classmate killing himself made the troll stop; I hadn't dealt with a lot of trolls back then and thought it was pretty obvious that someone killing themselves is a serious matter, without explanation. But, this video explains the phenomenon really well!
This video should really be shown in all primary schools.
Really good! Thank you!
Usually the first thing that goes through my mind is "kek"
kek
here in SA we say Kak
KEK
topsuperkekekekek
The Hunting Party was a great album
The windows on RUclips are shattered.
+DemonLordChaos
AdBlock.
Stupid.
KathTea there isnt glass anymore
There has always been trolls. They've been around long before the internet. The internet just makes it safer for them is all.
The worst trolls, are the ones who, unable to defend their argument in a discussion, make accusations of trolling because, they must win at all costs, even to their own credibility.
Spot on. They can also sometimes ban you, as they are often moderators. Or moderasts as I prefer to call them. They are everywhere. I guess if I start some content on RUclips, I should switch off all commentary 100%. Most of comments, like 99%, is totally useless nonsense anyway as are most videos posted. They bait and provoke people and then issue bans. Folks may end up shadowbanned by the algs just for disagreeing or expressing opinion. I would not want any of that to happen to viewers. The same often happens in live chats. It's better not to read them. I'm still trying to figure out the whole extent of all this situation. It looks like it's getting worse with time. The author of this video, like most people, confuses trolls with haters, pranksters, and people with extreme political views. These are not exactly or necessarily trolls. Sometimes trolls do this: they spam some chat or channel from other accounts, then they report and pretend to help in order to get a mod status and enjoy unchecked trolling and 'spamming their idiotic comments'. They often add a lot of sycophantic stuff to keep the content creators thinking they are good supporting guys who do great job and that they should be mods while in actually they are the root of the problem.
of course trolls are real! how else do you explain all the dead unicorns?!
Killing Time that’s a racism! I need too death!!!
@@donovanwheeler4906 Killing Unicorns is Racist?
They aren't dead, any horse that you see is actually a unicorn with a invisible horn!
as a dethklok fan, you have NO idea how happy this comment made me.
"Don't feed the trolls." The internet really is a magical forest full of creatures and an abundance of cats.
Thanks Very enlightening. You guys are great, so many subjects and ideas. Good advice "Don't feed the Trolls"
People troll because there's no consequence. Let's face it. For every mean person who has ever trolled to cause harm or because it suits one of the four mentioned characteristics, got reprimanded, the problem wouldn't necessarily go away, just evolve into some unjustified political outcry.
Yeh but why would you purposely want to piss people off?! That's really sad.
bigmassivebrid dumbass !
Not every troll wants to cause harm. Some are just annoying.
@@blackiris_code
WTF is your problem?! They just ask a question. Primus!
Go to Hell!
honestly, some of 4chan trolling is so intricate and well thought out, i think many of the /b/ros are secret geniuses
And that is what the Liberals have become after the john stewert era .....
(Be on LiveJasmine):
I'll pay for private chat if you put shoe on head.
Great video there ! Thanks for the info; very relevant to everything going on 🧢😄😄👏
Exceptionally well done video!
Did anyone else hear him say I'm a troll at 8:56
You got me ;P
i did
gg well played
Ha! Can't get me!
you actually fooled me for a sec
Looking through the comments it becomes clear that doing a piece about trolling is pretty much a mating call to all the trolls. >< :)
Thank you so much for making this video, you guys are so smart and insitful that i feel smarter too. I think will be better at not feeling bad from mean comments now.
This was a very concise and enlightening video about online trolls. I sometimes engage trolls for my own amusement, trying out-troll the troll, I suppose. Anytime there is anonymity, there will be those small-minded, scared, weak and intellectually stunted individuals who will use the forum for trolling, disregarding the subject matter at hand entirely for their own narcissistic pleasure. This video, however did fail to address one item. A item that I am sure we are concerned with; How does this relate to butt hair?
Isn’t SCi-Show referring to their fairly constant comments from a user who is obsessed with the topic? -Plus the sci-show style is aimed at including younger viewers. And this reference would have had 13 y o me laughing hysterically...
ruclips.net/video/BSJJsNcn-0E/видео.html
Btw I once trolled a troll he hasn't responded to me for 2 years I'm also another troll
"Where there's already lots of mean-spirited trolling similar trolls will congregate."
Sounds like Twitter and Goodreads.
Bullying is awful, but it will not go away, so perhaps it's better to just learn how to deal with it and grow a thicker skin. That way we retain the freedom to speak our mind (even if people don't like it).
that's exactly what should be done.
That's true 99% of the time.
Then you hear about the real crazy examples. Like your ex setting up a fake porn web site and putting photos of you on it, and emailing your boss. You end up fired and have no legal recourse. Then you can't get another job because you google your name and guess what comes up?
A thicker skin is needed for many oversensitive people out there I completely agree but sometimes the trolls can go to far by taking a recent wound like mass shooting and dead loved ones and that is when it becomes not very good to have them around.
Amanda Lee Dube yeah, like those feminists who try to get people who don't agree with them fiered by telling their bosses that "they are rapists".
just respond to stupid shit by only saying "k"
highly informative presentation love it
There was an article a couple of years ago that investigated 2 separate trolls who were caught by police - it was a man and woman, both single and lonely and both claimed to harass people with deceased family members as a way to relieve stress while drinking after a day's work. Causing grief and stress to others is now apparently a leisurely past time.
guys what do u think, flat earthers.. are they trolls or do they really believe?
Believe, haters gonna hate
You'd be surprised in what people believe in. i.e. Invisible people RIP.
They're not trolls, they're just uneducated
Probably a mixed bag.
As every answer in psychology goes: it's both. I think I heard somewhere that one flat earther website started as a joke but you know Poe's Law, so people who believed joined in then the circlejerk began and those who were sorta in denial of a spherical earth found others to confirmation bias the hell out of them. And then there's still the trolls within these flat earther blogs who just incite more and more of this belief throwing in conspiracy theories that they themselves don't believe but the flat earthers take it and again confirmation bias the hell out of it.
Know why it's called XBOX360? You turn 360 degrees and walk away.
Maybe a little dated. Do you have any about VHS? :)
ok
Turn 360 degrees and you'll be facing the Xbox again
Aaron Fisher I hope you're trolling :)
+Maximilian Wicén no.. 180 degrees would be turning around xD 360 would be a full circle, therefore facing the Xbox again
Very well put. Interesting
All the dislikes are from trolls
I hope people remember that there is difference between harmless pranks and real bullying.
This is true both online and offline.
I'm not really a troll but I do love writing obviously stupid/ incorrect stuff on the Internet to get a reaction out of people... Is it because I just crave attention or maybe because I like the fact that my (to me) meaningless and empty words can enrage (or generally cause such a huge reaction in) people ..? (Real question) 👀
Then you are very much a troll, but of a pretty harmless kind :)
I'd say the reasons for it are related to what they talk about in the video, but with a less cruel slant to it.
Not to offend, but it's because you crave the power. It's either because the power you already have in life isn't enough (megalomania) or you do not really have power over aspects (or the whole) of your life.
Power is something I've thought about a lot and it's something everyone needs in their life. We need to have power over something. Whether it's the stereotypical form of power over people or just the fact that you are responsible for....let's say a little brother. That small fact that your little brother wants you and without you being able to drive him from school would make life hard for him, that's all one may need to fulfill the need for power. Some people need more. In the end we need to have power over something, usually this is the reason people cut themselves. It's not always to make the emotional pain go away with physical pain or whatever, it's usually so these people at least have power over something (e.g. their bodies). Suicides kinda follow the same course.
So realized I went pretty dark here, so on a high note: What i've noticed is that power is a good thing. I've seen people who have the simple power of being a parent. These parents know that without them the kid wouldn't survive. So they try to be the best parents they can be. I've seen older siblings being knowing how reliant their younger sibling is on them making them better and more responsible people. The feeling of power on a subconcious or concious level is necessary. But we sometimes feel we are without it. So we do our best to regain power or at least the illusion of power by maybe yelling at our dog, or playing some mean prank, or....being a troll. Being able to affect someone thousands of miles away on an emotional basis while you are having fun is a pretty good way to have power. It feels pretty nice. I've done it.
But hey this is just a minor part of why you might be doing this. There is of course everything the video said, also entitlement, maybe some sort of Me Vs. Them mentality, or something else entirely. I'm a random guy on the internet and you are a random guy/girl on the internet. I can't really ever know.
Edit: thought of another example where power is good. Looke at Donald Trump/Hillary Clinton Vs. Warren Buffet/Bill Gates. All these people have tremondous (apparently I don't know how to spell that word) power but Trump/Clinton want more and you can see the venom and negativity from both of them. While both Buffet/Gates are happy with the power they have, since they are content, they can do stuff to help people. The former still have the need for power, the latter do not. The feeling of power is necessary to do good in the world, and if one doesn't have power, well they will try will try their hardest to get it somehow even if it's enraging internet stragers.
We can't answer that for your (Although some armchair psychologists will surely try).
You're going to have to use this thing called 'introspection'. You can start by thinking on the implications of one of your hypothesis being true and then judge if those implications fit your profile.
Example, if you go with 'craving attention' then judge if that is true. Do you tend do behave in any other attention begging ways? Do you 'suffer' in any way when you are not getting the attention you crave? Do you feel a 'need' for people to acknowledge you? etc... If these are true then 'attention seeking' might be one of the reasons you do it (though not necessarily the only one).
Troll!!!
+AnatomyNerd J
Both Hilary and especially Trump have a lot of dissociative personality traits, Trump is a Meglomaniac/Narccicist as well
I don't see neither Buffet or Gates having these
Trolls carry society, deal with it
*HOW TO TROLL PEOPLE?*
Read More
It didn’t work! Can you post without the spaces?
Didn't work
That is the prank. He just typed Read More.
I totally fell for that! Good one 😂
Ok, good one
you kids really missed all the fun in the 90s. lord.
No kidding!! My first computer was a TRS-80 that I wrote a BBS for and ran it on a 300 baud modem, 1 user online at a time.... circa 1985'ish.
Same here!
Ah, the classic, "back in my day the world was better." Statement. Everyone always thinks the time they grew up in was better than any other time period because it's when they had the most fun, or sometimes the least fun.
Not me, I grew up in the 80's and 90's and I still think they pretty much sucked balls.
I'm from the Balkans and I'm kinda glad I missed it