I really love how the U.K. government's unjust attempts to deprive Peter Wright of royalties (even after the book became legal for sale in the U.K. but without Wright getting any royalties from U.K. purchases) AND a pension prompted buyers in other countries to buy so many more copies of the book than they'd otherwise have bought that it made Peter Wright into a millionaire.
At the end of this video I am more convinced than ever of a saying that Claud Cockburn popularized but did not claim to have authored: "believe nothing until it has been officially denied".
37:03 - If there is a 20% chance that a person works for the other side, and an 80% chance that the person is totally innocent but is suspected because of an alignment of coincidences, you cannot prosecute them. But you can remove them from their job and isolate them from all sensitive matters, and provide the same salary, pension, and benefits to them as if they had never been clouded. This is just part of the costs of the intelligence business. Modern life may require that a person be paid for doing nothing. You can't take the 20% chance that they will destroy a country, but nor can you take the 80% chance that an innocent person is being penalized. But what if Hollis, while totally innocent, did things which a reasonable person could anticipate would draw suspicion, such as (although totally loyal to the U.K.) blocking investigations? If Wright's job was to find moles, Hollis should have investigated everyone Wright suspected--or accept the consequence that Hollis's own loyalty could thus be questioned fairly, and his employment be ruined even in the absence of proof of guilt. To a large extent Hollis's own actions placed him under this cloud, so suspicion is not unfair.
54:56 - If it's true that Thatcher and her people knew that they couldn't possibly win the suppression of this book, then one wonders why they were pretending to try. I have to wonder if Thatcher wanted to make sure that the book became a best-seller in countries such as the U.S.A. where she couldn't get it suppressed, and wanted to make sure that many in the British public would acquire it by going around the ban, excited to read a banned book about a hitherto-secret world. Thatcher's intent may well have been to compensate Peter Wright for his unjust loss of pension by increasing his overseas royalties, and perhaps she wanted to ensure that the reputations that deserved to be damaged by Wright's book were indeed damaged to the utmost by vastly-greater sales than would have occurred without her efforts. Every once-in-a-while I hear of movie scenes designed to fall within the Hayes Seal so to be distributed to most theaters (as only a few didn't subscribe to the Hayes Code), while the scenes were designed equally to ensure that the U.S. arm of the Roman Catholic Church "Index" the movie for lewdness, thus vastly increasing the box-office.
To call Harry Chapman Pincher a muck raker is a bit rich..... he just happened to get most of it right 40 or 50 years ago.... a longtime before these guys.
@bobcornford3637 - The noun "muckraker" goes back to the 1890s and is a compliment. President Theodore Roosevelt said "the men with the muck rakes are often indispensable to the well-being of society; ...".
When Thatcher banned it I knew therre was a something to hide. Luckily my local bookshop ordered one from New York. It was given to me in a brown paperback as Thatcher even banned the advertising it.
Please look into Ken Flowers the Chief National Security Officer in Rhodesia. He apparently was working for Russia, East Germany and MI6, even though he was supposed to be securing Rhodesian Armed Forces.
I wonder what Peter Wright would have made of the Edward Snowden saga and accusations against certain interests of Russian collusion. Even, whether whatever alleged Russian collusion stems back from any of the Cold War days and whether or not there are covert sleeper cells imbedded in certain subcultural and or political groups.
Is it you with the Japanese infantry T/R fromm WW2? The one where all the sides of the case open? The 5 piece set with a battery box, a genny and 2 fuel cans? Would like to hear about that. One of the big spy museums has it. Not many in public view, like only that one. Just want to see the battery I don't have.
Well, a 20% chance he had been a Soviet spy is also an 80% chance he had not. So, Thatcher's statement of the matter is a lot closer to truth than a lie. It's hard to see how this 'revelation' is not 'much ado about nothing.'
I really love how the U.K. government's unjust attempts to deprive Peter Wright of royalties (even after the book became legal for sale in the U.K. but without Wright getting any royalties from U.K. purchases) AND a pension prompted buyers in other countries to buy so many more copies of the book than they'd otherwise have bought that it made Peter Wright into a millionaire.
At the end of this video I am more convinced than ever of a saying that Claud Cockburn popularized but did not claim to have authored: "believe nothing until it has been officially denied".
37:03 - If there is a 20% chance that a person works for the other side, and an 80% chance that the person is totally innocent but is suspected because of an alignment of coincidences, you cannot prosecute them. But you can remove them from their job and isolate them from all sensitive matters, and provide the same salary, pension, and benefits to them as if they had never been clouded. This is just part of the costs of the intelligence business. Modern life may require that a person be paid for doing nothing. You can't take the 20% chance that they will destroy a country, but nor can you take the 80% chance that an innocent person is being penalized. But what if Hollis, while totally innocent, did things which a reasonable person could anticipate would draw suspicion, such as (although totally loyal to the U.K.) blocking investigations? If Wright's job was to find moles, Hollis should have investigated everyone Wright suspected--or accept the consequence that Hollis's own loyalty could thus be questioned fairly, and his employment be ruined even in the absence of proof of guilt. To a large extent Hollis's own actions placed him under this cloud, so suspicion is not unfair.
Excellent work, this makes reading both books, Wright's, and now Tate's book, something well worth doing!
Absolutely fascinating.
I just re-read Spycatcher last week. There are moles around 😂
i remember this episode both the tv interview , buying and reading Peter Wright book
54:56 - If it's true that Thatcher and her people knew that they couldn't possibly win the suppression of this book, then one wonders why they were pretending to try. I have to wonder if Thatcher wanted to make sure that the book became a best-seller in countries such as the U.S.A. where she couldn't get it suppressed, and wanted to make sure that many in the British public would acquire it by going around the ban, excited to read a banned book about a hitherto-secret world. Thatcher's intent may well have been to compensate Peter Wright for his unjust loss of pension by increasing his overseas royalties, and perhaps she wanted to ensure that the reputations that deserved to be damaged by Wright's book were indeed damaged to the utmost by vastly-greater sales than would have occurred without her efforts. Every once-in-a-while I hear of movie scenes designed to fall within the Hayes Seal so to be distributed to most theaters (as only a few didn't subscribe to the Hayes Code), while the scenes were designed equally to ensure that the U.S. arm of the Roman Catholic Church "Index" the movie for lewdness, thus vastly increasing the box-office.
Sounds similar to what’s happening right now in Britain, jailing journalist, activists, wrong think, reminds one of the GDR.
To call Harry Chapman Pincher a muck raker is a bit rich..... he just happened to get most of it right 40 or 50 years ago.... a longtime before these guys.
@bobcornford3637 - The noun "muckraker" goes back to the 1890s and is a compliment. President Theodore Roosevelt said "the men with the muck rakes are often indispensable to the well-being of society; ...".
When Thatcher banned it I knew therre was a something to hide. Luckily my local bookshop ordered one from New York. It was given to me in a brown paperback as Thatcher even banned the advertising it.
Please look into Ken Flowers the Chief National Security Officer in Rhodesia. He apparently was working for Russia, East Germany and MI6, even though he was supposed to be securing Rhodesian Armed Forces.
Thank you. Listening from Alaska.
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5:39 James Angleton, perhaps.
I wonder what Peter Wright would have made of the Edward Snowden saga and accusations against certain interests of Russian collusion. Even, whether whatever alleged Russian collusion stems back from any of the Cold War days and whether or not there are covert sleeper cells imbedded in certain subcultural and or political groups.
What do the Mithrokin canon of information say about Hollis?
Is it you with the Japanese infantry T/R fromm WW2? The one where all the sides of the case open? The 5 piece set with a battery box, a genny and 2 fuel cans?
Would like to hear about that. One of the big spy museums has it. Not many in public view, like only that one. Just want to see the battery I don't have.
All of britain and Kissinger were moles
MI5 isn't big enough to encompass the whole of the UK population.
Idiot.
Well, a 20% chance he had been a Soviet spy is also an 80% chance he had not. So, Thatcher's statement of the matter is a lot closer to truth than a lie. It's hard to see how this 'revelation' is not 'much ado about nothing.'
What's up interceptors❤ LOL
A museum can tell semi real histories since which year? Could be faster and just jump to 90 to now?
Oh 6 replies compartmentalizing apparently still working !
Stalin was a deep cover MI5 mole. Royalist to the core and always tea, NEVER coffee. HMTQ appointed his as Lord USSR
The 'narrator's reading is unbearable. A very timely subject, thank you.
Seems fine to me
Seems fine to us!
It didn't shake Britain at all. Total nonsense.
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Annoyingly slow paced
Fascinating subject but I'm afraid your left wing petticoats are showing just a little.