Thanks, Simeon, that's a great tip! I've been felling and working up our firewood for over 40 years, and never saw this trick before. I'll be using it a lot. Thanks again, and keep up the good work!
Thank you for the helpful hints to those of us who didn't Excell in geometry or algebra but use it everyday anyway, usually unknowingly. I appreciate your common sense approach to life. Thank you again.
They taught us this in Pathfinder school in the Army to figure out the area of usable setting up HLZs. I use it all the time when felling trees and it is tried and true.
Another excellent video for the tutor series: "How to cut and limb trees correctly". Absolutely the best anywhere on the net or text books. I used this technique several times, especially when I start to fell a stand with relatively uniform height. Then, when I had a feeling for the mean total length of the trees, it was easier and faster to judge where to fell the rest while avoiding burying already felled trees with branches. Just needed a blink of an eye, and kaboom ...
Very useful and just in time information Simeon ,thanks . My husband has been asked to feel some trees in town ,in cramped area . This will help gauge his distance and not tear down the electrical power lines .
Thank you for this video! I help to maintain a public park in my town. At the park's entrance, there is a dead tree that stands opposite a kiosk. Because the trees grow so densely in the park, the tree must be felled so that it falls near the kiosk. I was trying to find a way to determine whether the tree would hit the kiosk if it were felled, so your video was very timely.
We measure out the distance with a short stick. eye to finger tip then use it the same way then take two paces back. When I first started for accuracy we would knock in a peg and try to drive it in with the tree. helped with practice in the woods before trying in an urban setting. Cheers
The theory being used here is called "similar" ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Similarity_(geometry) ) within the mathematical field of geometry, usually taught within linear algebra. This is a great example of mathematical skills put to practise.
The reason it works for this though is solely because the triangle being formed and extended out is an equilateral right angle triangle. If you gripped the branch at another height you could still experience "simula" but to then to use it to transfer the height if the tree to the ground you'd need to work out the arm/stick ratio and then apply that ratio to the distance you're standing from the tree. The fact Simeon is using a 1:1 ratio is what makes it easy.
Simeon, I giggled when I saw your title word Fella. Whimsical and wonderful. Awesome video for those that need this skill which is us. My fella is an experienced tree faller but good advice and explanation for those that aren’t. 🦋💜
Cool! Never seen that done before, gonna have to try it this weekend! I use a speed square and torpedo level, sighting up the 45 of the square to the top of the tree while keeping the base level, then add in my height. Usually accurate to within 4-5’.
I want to commend you I think your channel is fantastic and what I like the most, is you my friend. the only way I can describe you is a very wise wise young man with a very old soul and believe me there's not many of you out there so when people criticize you please don't take it to heart ignore them and follow your heart and do what you know is right you can't please everyone that's not what is important you can please yourself and your family and your homestead and that's all that matters . you take care of yourself young man
First time I hear of this trick...I'm the type who'll measure the shadow of an object with a known height then perform the algebra on the shadow of an unknown object. It works if you have a calculator and bright sun (read: not very well) so this will be fun using in the future. Thanks Simeon.
@Kamalakrsna Devi : Immigration is the opposite of protection. Mass Immigration is the ruination of culture and traditions. It is the Replacement of a native people. It means that everything that was built by a group of people will eventually cease to exist. 🌿
What you’ve done is make a 45 degree angle from your line of sight (level)upwards and transferred it to the vertical tree. Think of it as a small right triangle ( the level line of sight - the stick - and the hypotenuse) inside of the larger right triangle ( distance from your eye level to base of tree - trees height - and the hypotenuse). The tree will fall right at your feet.
No, it won't. Most Arborists I have placed my bets against and won are likely making the same mistake you just did. The video fell short of completely explaining this though it is not a far stretch to understand that; Your eyes are intersecting the imaginary 45 deg line to the ground which will actually touch earth approximately the distance of your height away from you opposite the tree. I don't use this technique though I could whip your butt with a tree from across the street, blah haha. I wouldn't do that to you though, even if you did just rip the gutter off a house, crush through the hot tub on the deck and blow sliding glass door fragments through the kitchen into the living room. Nope I would just start cleaning up the mess after I was able to stop ROFL. (Arrogance intended for illustrative and entertainment value only.)
I guessed wrong, I was expecting you to use the ratio of the length of the shadows and the length of the stick to calculate the length of the tree. I used to use the width of my fingers/fist/hand to adjust artillery.
Very informative video. Thanks for showing us your techniques there on the homestead. We all enjoy your videos immensely. God bless you and your family always. Ps Did you ever finish the cow shed?
I’ve used this kind of method but just using a pencil keep walking back till the tree fills the pencil then when you put the pencil horizontal it shows where the tree is going to land it’s always worked for me
It will still work. It would have to be leaning so much to make a difference that the lean would become more of a problem than the height. And if it’s leaning toward the line of fall, it’s already in the line you are calculating (hypotenuse of a triangle).
Yeah, I’m not a fan of having anything hanging off me when I’m working in the woods. I feel safer being able to move quickly and easily! The orange is good if you’re not working alone, helps people keep track of each other’s location when felling or skidding.
He lined his hand up with the base and the tip of the branch lined with tree top. Staked where he stood and it will fall short because he created a Pythagoras triangle
I know for sure in Canada trees do not jump. They may react to something you do, or to some natural other force, but never have I ever been walking through the woods and see a tree jump.
The geometry is that the tree forms a 90 degree angle with the ground, so a right triangle can be drawn from the top of the tree to where the top will end up when it falls (hypotenuse line). His trick is basically comparing his height to the trees height, then comparing the stick in a way that makes where he is standing the other end of the base of the triangle. That puts his feet at a 45 degree angle to the top of the tree. Hope that makes sense! Lol
It's not just uniform or scaled triangles, it's isosceles right angle triangles. The arm length and the stick length being equal mean the sight line to the top of the tree is a 45deg angle. Therefore the distance he's standing from the tree is very close to it's height. I say "very close" because to be theoretically more accurate would be to lie on the ground and do it. But that's impractical and the standing method includes the other various variables. Just saying it to help visualise the geometry involved.
A fellow wanted to know how tall a tree was he was cutting down. His friend cut it down and measured it. He told him "21 meters!" The first guy said, "You idiot, I wanted to know how tall it was, not how long it is!"
Nice tutor....my questions is this...is poking your face with the stick required? lol another fire wood hack...the chain saw blade is usually 16 in. on most saws...use it as a quick measure for each cut of the fire wood...set at the log and get a visual position on the log and cut...no need for a measure tap as I have seen many do....I enjoy your channel. I am in the high Rocky Mountains of Colorado U.S.A. 10,000 feet altutude. our trees are 100 feet tall and 17 feet around...Blue Spruce....you spoke about larger trees "jump". Yes they do.!!! Glad you pointed that out...most will jump 10-12 feet length and bounce one direction or the other side to side when they hit the ground 10-15 feet depending on amounts of limbs and bows. This also has to be accounted for which is usually stepped of with our feet. Wind is a fact to account for also. sometimes we have had to chain the base down as a lot of the Spruce species.splits..sometimes twins some time quads. A extra high rated thick chain is used. This method is extremely dangerous and should not be used by unqualified people. As you well said...training is a must, do not try this without proper training. The National Forestry here has some classes sometimes at low cost. WhT kind of trees do you have...are they a type of "Birch"?
in belgium they're called silver birch and only used as firewood. the swedish and finish birch grows very slowly, this gives quality wood for plywood, the best there is.
Thanks, Simeon, that's a great tip! I've been felling and working up our firewood for over 40 years, and never saw this trick before. I'll be using it a lot. Thanks again, and keep up the good work!
That brings back memories of when I was a child in Boy Scouts. Great to know it can also be used when felling trees. Thank you for sharing!
Fantastic, perfectly explained 👍👍
Thank you for the helpful hints to those of us who didn't Excell in geometry or algebra but use it everyday anyway, usually unknowingly. I appreciate your common sense approach to life. Thank you again.
They taught us this in Pathfinder school in the Army to figure out the area of usable setting up HLZs. I use it all the time when felling trees and it is tried and true.
Very nice. I didn't know. your never to old to learn new things. Thanks
Another excellent video for the tutor series: "How to cut and limb trees correctly". Absolutely the best anywhere on the net or text books.
I used this technique several times, especially when I start to fell a stand with relatively uniform height. Then, when I had a feeling for the mean total length of the trees, it was easier and faster to judge where to fell the rest while avoiding burying already felled trees with branches. Just needed a blink of an eye, and kaboom ...
Very useful and just in time information Simeon ,thanks . My husband has been asked to feel some trees in town ,in cramped area . This will help gauge his distance and not tear down the electrical power lines .
Love your channel!
Thank you for this video!
I help to maintain a public park in my town. At the park's entrance, there is a dead tree that stands opposite a kiosk. Because the trees grow so densely in the park, the tree must be felled so that it falls near the kiosk. I was trying to find a way to determine whether the tree would hit the kiosk if it were felled, so your video was very timely.
Thank you. I live your "Be a Smart Feller" videos.
We learned a similar method in the military too, but i had forgot about it until i saw this video. :)
Love the footage of the tree falling, great perspective! AWESOME tip for distance as well!
Great job thanks love the videos keep them coming love the farm ..
We measure out the distance with a short stick. eye to finger tip then use it the same way then take two paces back. When I first started for accuracy we would knock in a peg and try to drive it in with the tree. helped with practice in the woods before trying in an urban setting. Cheers
Great advice! Smiles and blessings...
Fantastic tip, and I agree it's always best to measure then add a little.
The theory being used here is called "similar" ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Similarity_(geometry) ) within the mathematical field of geometry, usually taught within linear algebra. This is a great example of mathematical skills put to practise.
An old geek like me might confuse ur theory with "Simula" ....
The reason it works for this though is solely because the triangle being formed and extended out is an equilateral right angle triangle. If you gripped the branch at another height you could still experience "simula" but to then to use it to transfer the height if the tree to the ground you'd need to work out the arm/stick ratio and then apply that ratio to the distance you're standing from the tree.
The fact Simeon is using a 1:1 ratio is what makes it easy.
People who know theories and Math models don't work in the woods.
dpower02 right math is for nerds hur hur hur. Bet you don't even know what the choke on a chainsaw does.
Simeon, I giggled when I saw your title word Fella. Whimsical and wonderful. Awesome video for those that need this skill which is us. My fella is an experienced tree faller but good advice and explanation for those that aren’t. 🦋💜
Gonna try it out when I make my firewood. THANKS!
These guys are handy! Great video!
Cool! Gonna try this at work tomorrow!
Good looking Christmas tree near where you were standing.
This is a good tip. It's also important to minimize damage to the crop trees left behind, so this tip can be used to avoid hitting them.
wow never seen that done before and thanks for showing your tree felling trick.
Good video, Arborist Daniel Murphy
called it the stick trick in a video some years ago. Blessings in Christ from Norway
That's a pretty cool tip!!
Great tip! We'll definitely be using this as we have some trees that have grown up too close to the barn and house.
Thanks for the tip Simeon!
Cool! Never seen that done before, gonna have to try it this weekend! I use a speed square and torpedo level, sighting up the 45 of the square to the top of the tree while keeping the base level, then add in my height. Usually accurate to within 4-5’.
Yup, you're entitled to a shirt!
Good tip, thanks for that one!
I want to commend you I think your channel is fantastic and what I like the most, is you my friend. the only way I can describe you is a very wise wise young man with a very old soul and believe me there's not many of you out there so when people criticize you please don't take it to heart ignore them and follow your heart and do what you know is right you can't please everyone that's not what is important you can please yourself and your family and your homestead and that's all that matters . you take care of yourself young man
Well said, my sentiments too!
Yep, learned that in Boy Scouts. Handy trick.
Just bought one of the Tshirts for a friend who does forestry for a living!
This is a clever title. Very nice Simeon
A great tip! BTW, your English is VERY, VERY GOOD!
I'll be darned, this really works! And yes, I'm ((now) subscribed. Thanks so much for sharing. Got to have a t-shirt man.
First time I hear of this trick...I'm the type who'll measure the shadow of an object with a known height then perform the algebra on the shadow of an unknown object. It works if you have a calculator and bright sun (read: not very well) so this will be fun using in the future. Thanks Simeon.
Useful tip, and free!
Sweden, and the Swedish people ...beautiful - please protect your country.
yeah ... protect country ...bring in a few hundred thousand Muslims... that aught-a just about do it.
@Kamalakrsna Devi : Immigration is the opposite of protection. Mass Immigration is the ruination of culture and traditions. It is the Replacement of a native people. It means that everything that was built by a group of people will eventually cease to exist. 🌿
Great job Simion
What you’ve done is make a 45 degree angle from your line of sight (level)upwards and transferred it to the vertical tree.
Think of it as a small right triangle ( the level line of sight - the stick - and the hypotenuse) inside of the larger right triangle ( distance from your eye level to base of tree - trees height - and the hypotenuse). The tree will fall right at your feet.
No, it won't. Most Arborists I have placed my bets against and won are likely making the same mistake you just did. The video fell short of completely explaining this though it is not a far stretch to understand that; Your eyes are intersecting the imaginary 45 deg line to the ground which will actually touch earth approximately the distance of your height away from you opposite the tree. I don't use this technique though I could whip your butt with a tree from across the street, blah haha. I wouldn't do that to you though, even if you did just rip the gutter off a house, crush through the hot tub on the deck and blow sliding glass door fragments through the kitchen into the living room. Nope I would just start cleaning up the mess after I was able to stop ROFL. (Arrogance intended for illustrative and entertainment value only.)
Great tip... thank you
Very slick and what a great demonstration for others. Your channel is so interesting Simeon. God bless to you and your family. :-)
Just from all the bright new protective equipment he is wearing, and taking the time to make this video, tells you this guy don’t cut much wood.
Neither are you, just sitting on your ass and watching the tube.
Thanks for the tip!
Smart feller. I see what you did there.
Learned this in the US boy scouts 50 years ago.
Important information is never forgotten that's awesome
Ha Ha after I wrote my comment about using that in Boy Scouts then I saw your comment. Thumbs up!!
Good video Simeon. Thanks for sharing the unformation
good show!
Very good!
I guessed wrong, I was expecting you to use the ratio of the length of
the shadows and the length of the stick to calculate the length of the
tree. I used to use the width of my fingers/fist/hand to adjust artillery.
Cool video!😎😍
Thankyou for the info
Changing the topic! Do you have any dogs?
45 degree square would also work. LIne of sight to the landing spot.
Got the LOGOX holder on your belt.... Nice.
Good feller
One smart fellow he felt smart.
Two smart fellows they felt smart.
Three smart fellows they smelt fart. Lol
Very informative video. Thanks for showing us your techniques there on the homestead. We all enjoy your videos immensely. God bless you and your family always. Ps Did you ever finish the cow shed?
I’ve used this kind of method but just using a pencil keep walking back till the tree fills the pencil then when you put the pencil horizontal it shows where the tree is going to land it’s always worked for me
So cool
It's much better to be a smart feller than a fart smeller! ;-)
Little White Dory You can be both if you wear full rain/protective gear while you work.
@@DiscoFang Too funny, I've experienced that exact unfortunate situation once while camping in the rain! Pew!
I was gonna say that 😂
the latter is unavoidable, lol.
How about accounting for a leaning tree?
It will still work. It would have to be leaning so much to make a difference that the lean would become more of a problem than the height. And if it’s leaning toward the line of fall, it’s already in the line you are calculating (hypotenuse of a triangle).
Yeap learned this way back ... except we didn't have all that getup to slow ya down and stick out like a sore thumb. Lol
Yeah, I’m not a fan of having anything hanging off me when I’m working in the woods. I feel safer being able to move quickly and easily! The orange is good if you’re not working alone, helps people keep track of each other’s location when felling or skidding.
So where the tip to tip bottom to bottom is where the top of the tree going to hit right?
Good vid thank u
What if we have shorter or longer arms?
Ah, right, suddenly I see it.
I have no idea what you just did; what did measuring a stick with your arm have to do with the length of the tree?
I think its a Pythagoras triangle. The angle from hand to tree base is 45 degrees from eye to tree top. So where you stand will always fall short
Geometree!
use this messuring since beginning.
What if you have short arms?
"Move until it fits" fits what? Top of hand to top of stick = base of tree top of tree? I assume?
Did your Brother move off the homestead ?
Not in a video in a long time.
Could you please explain what happened between 2:33 and 2:43?
He lined his hand up with the base and the tip of the branch lined with tree top. Staked where he stood and it will fall short because he created a Pythagoras triangle
I know for sure in Canada trees do not jump. They may react to something you do, or to some natural other force, but never have I ever been walking through the woods and see a tree jump.
You gotta sneak up behind them, real quiet like...
HIM SMART FELLOW..HIM FELLOW SMART. Now say that faster and faster. ha ha kids will laugh too.
I learned it as “one smart feller and he felt smart” 😉
Does that technique have a name? What's the geometry of how it works?
Uniform triangles. Simon did not explain that too good.
@@pwleppa Thanks.
The geometry is that the tree forms a 90 degree angle with the ground, so a right triangle can be drawn from the top of the tree to where the top will end up when it falls (hypotenuse line). His trick is basically comparing his height to the trees height, then comparing the stick in a way that makes where he is standing the other end of the base of the triangle. That puts his feet at a 45 degree angle to the top of the tree.
Hope that makes sense! Lol
It's not just uniform or scaled triangles, it's isosceles right angle triangles. The arm length and the stick length being equal mean the sight line to the top of the tree is a 45deg angle. Therefore the distance he's standing from the tree is very close to it's height. I say "very close" because to be theoretically more accurate would be to lie on the ground and do it. But that's impractical and the standing method includes the other various variables. Just saying it to help visualise the geometry involved.
R.I.P Tree.
Sorry, thought you were dressed up as a Christmas Elf for a minute ;-)
holmesjunction All Woodworkers are dressed like that in Sweden, to scare all moose’s away. Safety first 😊
I need a class in geometry
Great tip. Would love a t-shirt that just said Smart Feller. Not a fan of the focus of the message telling others how to act.
If you like thinning out forests you might want to drop by California
You're a fart smeller...I mean, smart feller. 🤣
A fellow wanted to know how tall a tree was he was cutting down. His friend cut it down and measured it. He told him "21 meters!" The first guy said, "You idiot, I wanted to know how tall it was, not how long it is!"
Nice tutor....my questions is this...is poking your face with the stick required? lol another fire wood hack...the chain saw blade is usually 16 in. on most saws...use it as a quick measure for each cut of the fire wood...set at the log and get a visual position on the log and cut...no need for a measure tap as I have seen many do....I enjoy your channel. I am in the high Rocky Mountains of Colorado U.S.A. 10,000 feet altutude. our trees are 100 feet tall and 17 feet around...Blue Spruce....you spoke about larger trees "jump". Yes they do.!!! Glad you pointed that out...most will jump 10-12 feet length and bounce one direction or the other side to side when they hit the ground 10-15 feet depending on amounts of limbs and bows. This also has to be accounted for which is usually stepped of with our feet. Wind is a fact to account for also. sometimes we have had to chain the base down as a lot of the Spruce species.splits..sometimes twins some time quads. A extra high rated thick chain is used. This method is extremely dangerous and should not be used by unqualified people. As you well said...training is a must, do not try this without proper training. The National Forestry here has some classes sometimes at low cost. WhT kind of trees do you have...are they a type of "Birch"?
in belgium they're called silver birch and only used as firewood. the swedish and finish birch grows very slowly,
this gives quality wood for plywood, the best there is.
Well, to be specific about the geometry, poking yourself in the eye would be geometrically more precise! Chin or cheek is a reasonable compromise.
Chainsaws don't have blades. Knives have blades. Chainsaws have a bar and chain.
we never call it a bar : we have a bar of soap, a bar of chocolat. but the thing on a chainsaw is a blade
to guide the chain, sort of 2 razors blades.
Ooo the knives are out these comments have teeth.
You never rotated the stick to show where the tree lands.
I'm a real fart smeller I mean a real smart feller
What if I'm only a metre tall?😃😃
find a small twig
yorkshire's numero uno gardener 😂😂
Similar triangles, look it up
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Glad this Guy is not responsible for my Actions..hé looks clumsy