I love it and we both know that the World doesn't Yet Grasp the Magnitude of what you have done! But the world will know when the music starts Sounding Better because of your instruments. Thank You . I will politely get in line to get the harmonium and the Shruti Veena. Bravo sir.
Thanks to Dr. Vidyadhar Oke for a precise explanation. It needs elaborated description of all shrutis in the octaves we generally use while singing with the help of 22-shruti harmonium. The tonal variations of all komal swaras, used in different raagas, need also be discussed upon. I know, this would rather be an impossible task to pack up everything in a pre-emphasized reeds' box (harmonium) but one may kindly think of the shrutis being perceived and sung by the exponents in Hindustani and Carnataki styles by making use of the varied types of drones. Please post more videos for making it clear to music lovers. In essence, the western harmonium is to be bade farewell at the earliest if we wish for protecting our deepest sense of fundamental music; our own discovery.
Dear honourable Dr Oke, as a beginner in search of a special Harmonium I came to hear the sound of the 22 Shruti harmonium. I was out of my skin because it's the first time a harmonium Sounds virtuous like the sitar or the Shanghai. The magic of Indian music is more than noticable. While researching, i found the following statement in the internet, about the 22 Shruti Harmonium: "There is only one major drawback of 22 shruti harmonium in comparison to equi-tempered harmonium. It has only one note as tonic note, i.e. only one Sa is fixed and other notes are set on it accordingly. eg. Dr. Oak always demonstrates his 22 shruti harmonium tuned in scale A or Saphed 6 (6th white). The tonic note ‘Sa’ is on the key A and it cannot be changed. Whereas, on equi-tempered harmonium, you can place ‘Sa’ on any key and every next note is tuned in the similar proportion. Hence, if you don’t need to change scales then you can buy 22 shruti harmonium." My unknowledgeable understanding is: If the player can fine-tune every microton (Shruti) as he wishes, he can also choose the tonic note and then the microtones according to the raga, relativ to the choosen tonic. Or is that gentleman right and the 22 Shruti harmonium is limited to a pre tunes scale because the tonic can't be changed? I beg of you for clarifican. Thank you Sir
So the point here is that ratios of frequencies of any two different notes in a scale is a rational number and not irrational. Hence when two or more notes are played together, the sounds are commensurate with a well defined combined period that is the least common multiple of the individual periods of the notes. Since the combined multi-note signal repeats identically over this period, there is no pattern that is incommensurate with this period that the human brain perceives as something annoying.
Yes. The point is exactly what you have highlighted. Would you kindly explain how the brain perceives and differentiates the rational and irrational multi-tones (all major and minor chords); does some sort of adaptation play behind the musical sense???
So 440 is wrong frequency? This explains why the human frequency is in conflict. It’s not just the ears it’s the whole body that is not in sync with the planet. Having said that the Middle East has completely different tuning which when I listen to makes me feel out of this planet and sends me to heaven. I think the question is of harmony. What would be good base to tune to? Also how does technology interfere within the body. Very fascinating. Thank you for this great info Mr. Oke. Side note, I wish you would start a RUclips channel for harmonium tutorials. You would easily become a sensation provided it’s a complete course. I also believe it’s a mistake not to as this seems to be your passion. Again thank you, for your contribution to humanity.
Even earlier Western tuning was natural as per Indian. But later when harmonium arose they changed the natural tuning to equitempered tuning. They fit all 12 notes in a particular range. So all notes got moved a bit from their natural frequencies. And since then we are accustomed to this pattern. Frankly speaking 99.9% people wont make out the difference but yes those 0.1% for sure.
@@pusalkarpriyuI suppose it comes down to what is development of what its intent is from beginning to be able to tell the difference instead of continuing with narratives rather than actual conversation with music in dialogue. Some push some are ok with whatever. Of course service is always what get out of it. Love the dialogue on this channel. Let’s harmonize more frequencies with one another. 💕
Dear Sir, I am using harmonium for more than 48 yrs. Though little discomfort felt while playing for few notes never knew the basic difference between indian and western Shruthi pattern. Thanks for the same. Is 22 Shruthi harmonium commercially produced and sols. If so where it can be bought and price range. I would like to buy one with small budget. Thanks in advance for your response.
It really is based on the fundamental decision of full harmony or very limited harmony. Melody based music without extensive harmony can be much better tuned. It also can’t be transposed.
this harmo has 22 notes but same 12 keys like its European counterpart and that means you have to pull out/pull in levers again and again to play 22 notes. This makes it for professionals and not for beginners like me. It shall be amazing to see someone playing traditional music using this 22 notes harmonium. I am searching for such videos but have not found any.
This harmonium is only for those people who are prepared to learn the finer aspects of our classical music and 22 shrutis. It is not for beginners unless their Guru is well-versed with the subject. Beginner's videos are too much to expect. Dr.Oke
While playing particular raga we dont use more than 1 shruti for that particular note. For example in Bhoop raga or Durga raga the Re will be the same as defined under that raga. That particular shruti is only to be played throughout that raga so there there is no question of pulling knobs every time while playing single raga. For Bhoop Re knob will be different from Re in Durga but will be maintained the same throughout that raga.
👏🎹👌🎶🌹🥰💡👀💕🦢💎✅अद्भुत ,अद्वितीय !आकाशवाणी (AIR) व वरची स्वर्गातून येते ती ‘ढाळुनिया सुमने वदती धन्य धन्य धन्य’!तुमचं नाव विद्याधर हे तुमच्या गालावरच्या खळीप्रमाणे तुम्हाला शोभून दिसतं.धन्वंतरीच्या अंतरी बुद्धिवैभवाने तयार झालेली २२ श्रुतींची ही संवादिनी विलक्षण गोड वाजते!भारतीयांचं भाग्य म्हणून ही भेट आम्हाला लाभली!हार्दिक अभिनंदन व प स्नेहमय प्रणाम!-प्रा.मिलिंद मसुरेकर विले पार्ले पूर्व
ruclips.net/video/5e3C4efyb2g/видео.htmlfeature=shared ruclips.net/video/Yqa2Hbb_eIs/видео.htmlfeature=shared While I was learning music I came across this video of Mr Vidyadhar Oke who has a patent on a 22 note harmonium. He goes great lengths to stress how the 8 note equi tempered scale is dissonance and so imperfect to the ear. That is true. The natural scale sounds more harmonious to the ear. Lot of bhakts and proponents of Indian culture will jump here and say we told you so. Indian culture is always better and more advanced than western culture. But wait a minute. There is one aspect Mr Oke doesn't reveal here. Perfect as it might be, the instrument has to be tuned to 1 particular scale, C E B etc. If you order a 22 shruti harmonium and on it try to play in F scale or G scale it will be a total mess. This is the advantage of equi tempered instruments. Since the frequency jump between 2 notes is constant, I can play on the same instrument in any scale. So equi tempered scale or tuning was a compromise arrived at to enable more variety in music even though it might not be 100% perfect to the ear. And probably this is the reason western music has so many styles while Indian classical music has stagnated in a few common themes.
Dr.vidyadharji AaP ki khoj adbhoot he.22srutiyon ki jadu peti ab peti hi nahi veena ho gayi. Yah sangeet premiyon ki duniya sada AaP ki runi rahagi .AaP aalochana ki parvah na kare.ak hindi me Kahawat he ki..Hathi chale bazar, kutta bhonke hazar
साहेब मराठी मध्ये बोला..इंग्लिश मध्ये बोलण आम्हाला समजत पण मराठी आहात तर मराठी माणसाला उपयोग होईल असं कराव.. बाकी बाजा वाजवून पोट भरणारे फारच कमी राहिले आहेत...
आदरणीय श्री मान् जी, आप को क्या हिन्दी नहीं आती, आप क्या भारत से है, या किसी और देश से,, जय श्री सीताराम जी, जय श्री पावन भूमि अयोध्या धाम, एल एम शुक्ला, पानीपत हरियाणा, यु, पी
I'm European and I play piano.
I'm absolutely amazed by this knowledge, and hope it will spread.
Anyway, great work !!!
I love it and we both know that the World doesn't Yet Grasp the Magnitude of what you have done! But the world will know when the music starts Sounding Better because of your instruments. Thank You . I will politely get in line to get the harmonium and the Shruti Veena. Bravo sir.
Thanks for the kind words. Look forward to meet you. Dr.Oke
WOW! I am a little blown by all that info.
Have been used to the western harmonium from birth. Playing the 22 shruti harmonium is my dream now.
Natural arrangement give perfect combination, just like a well tuned Tanpura.
Thanks Sir for the research.
🙏👌👍
Thanks to Dr. Vidyadhar Oke for a precise explanation. It needs elaborated description of all shrutis in the octaves we generally use while singing with the help of 22-shruti harmonium. The tonal variations of all komal swaras, used in different raagas, need also be discussed upon. I know, this would rather be an impossible task to pack up everything in a pre-emphasized reeds' box (harmonium) but one may kindly think of the shrutis being perceived and sung by the exponents in Hindustani and Carnataki styles by making use of the varied types of drones. Please post more videos for making it clear to music lovers. In essence, the western harmonium is to be bade farewell at the earliest if we wish for protecting our deepest sense of fundamental music; our own discovery.
I love music and music-lovers. They spread peace and joy. Congratulations and thank you sir for the great invention and service. 🙏💖
Sir.....
You explain Physics with Music.
Thank you.
आपल्या शोध कार्याचा जगभर प्रसार व्हावा ,डॉ,ओक व भारताचे नाव संगीत क्षेत्रात उज्वल व्हावे हीच परमेश्वर चरणी कामना .
सामान्य माणसाला ही हार्मोनियम घेणे अशक्य आहे
@@satishkulkarni2690 This harmonium is taken by SAAMAANYA people only, for the last 12 years, and that continues till date. Dr.Oke
Dear honourable Dr Oke,
as a beginner in search of a special Harmonium I came to hear the sound of the 22 Shruti harmonium. I was out of my skin because it's the first time a harmonium Sounds virtuous like the sitar or the Shanghai. The magic of Indian music is more than noticable.
While researching, i found the following statement in the internet, about the 22 Shruti Harmonium:
"There is only one major drawback of 22 shruti harmonium in comparison to equi-tempered harmonium. It has only one note as tonic note, i.e. only one Sa is fixed and other notes are set on it accordingly.
eg. Dr. Oak always demonstrates his 22 shruti harmonium tuned in scale A or Saphed 6 (6th white). The tonic note ‘Sa’ is on the key A and it cannot be changed. Whereas, on equi-tempered harmonium, you can place ‘Sa’ on any key and every next note is tuned in the similar proportion.
Hence, if you don’t need to change scales then you can buy 22 shruti harmonium."
My unknowledgeable understanding is:
If the player can fine-tune every microton (Shruti) as he wishes, he can also choose the tonic note and then the microtones according to the raga, relativ to the choosen tonic.
Or is that gentleman right and the 22 Shruti harmonium is limited to a pre tunes scale because the tonic can't be changed?
I beg of you for clarifican.
Thank you Sir
The gentleman is correct
@@amarkantkumar4233 Thank you Mr. Kumar!
Price please ?
Loved your voice and style of demonstration
Sir if u make resrearch on 16 shrutis(enharmonies) 0f carnatac music scale.My Q is why 7 shrutis missing in carnatac
music?
Beautifully explained!
My humble respects to you!
Sir can we switch the key of the Harmonium. The Sa so to speak
So the point here is that ratios of frequencies of any two different notes in a scale is a rational number and not irrational. Hence when two or more notes are played together, the sounds are commensurate with a well defined combined period that is the least common multiple of the individual periods of the notes. Since the combined multi-note signal repeats identically over this period, there is no pattern that is incommensurate with this period that the human brain perceives as something annoying.
Yes. The point is exactly what you have highlighted. Would you kindly explain how the brain perceives and differentiates the rational and irrational multi-tones (all major and minor chords); does some sort of adaptation play behind the musical sense???
Great . Whether possible to buy this harmonium ? Can you inform source and rate ?
Please visit www.22shruti.com for more information. Thanks. Dr.Oke
So 440 is wrong frequency? This explains why the human frequency is in conflict. It’s not just the ears it’s the whole body that is not in sync with the planet. Having said that the Middle East has completely different tuning which when I listen to makes me feel out of this planet and sends me to heaven. I think the question is of harmony. What would be good base to tune to? Also how does technology interfere within the body. Very fascinating. Thank you for this great info Mr. Oke.
Side note, I wish you would start a RUclips channel for harmonium tutorials. You would easily become a sensation provided it’s a complete course. I also believe it’s a mistake not to as this seems to be your passion.
Again thank you, for your contribution to humanity.
Thanks for analytical study and
further development of peace making and exemplary human beings !
Even earlier Western tuning was natural as per Indian. But later when harmonium arose they changed the natural tuning to equitempered tuning. They fit all 12 notes in a particular range. So all notes got moved a bit from their natural frequencies. And since then we are accustomed to this pattern. Frankly speaking 99.9% people wont make out the difference but yes those 0.1% for sure.
@@pusalkarpriyuI suppose it comes down to what is development of what its intent is from beginning to be able to tell the difference instead of continuing with narratives rather than actual conversation with music in dialogue. Some push some are ok with whatever. Of course service is always what get out of it. Love the dialogue on this channel. Let’s harmonize more frequencies with one another. 💕
Where can we get it? Fantastic harmonics.
Please visit www.22shruti.com for more information. Thanks. Dr.Oke
Dear Sir, I am using harmonium for more than 48 yrs. Though little discomfort felt while playing for few notes never knew the basic difference between indian and western Shruthi pattern. Thanks for the same. Is 22 Shruthi harmonium commercially produced and sols. If so where it can be bought and price range. I would like to buy one with small budget. Thanks in advance for your response.
Please visit BUY HARMONIUM section on homepage of our website www.22shruti.com Thanks.Dr.Oke
It's price is 82 thousand INR
Is it GERMAN Reed or PERIS Reed??????
Sir what is the cost difference between this two,Is it available in market, how we find difference between this two? please explain
Very very very very nice best harmonic god bless you
Namaste Sar ji Mere Pass Jo harmonium hai mere Khyal se kaun sa wala use karna chahie please Sar bataiye German wali use Karni chahie yeah copper wali
Isp it a ha rmomoim accordian ?
Sir plz explain price of 22 Shruti harmonium
Nice explained, equally tempered harmonium is little out of tuning then shruti harmonium, nice shruti swer harmonium.
What type of Reeds and how many reeds are used in this 22 Shruti instrument?
There is nothing special about reeds. It is the 22-shruti tuning which is different. Dr.Oke
@@VidyadharOkeDr Aabhar Sir. You have done the biggest service to world music.
Sir who makes this Shruti Harmonium ? I want to know how these reeds are build as I m a Machanic? Plz. Send me the picture from inside.
This is a 'patented' instrument which you are not allowed to make. Thanks. Dr.Oke
Absolutely Amazing Dr. Oke
Its a revolution in Music world.
Mathematics of Music Frequencies at its Best Great Kishan Vasekar
Excellent demo, thanks
Price of Shruti harmonium please.
It really is based on the fundamental decision of full harmony or very limited harmony. Melody based music without extensive harmony can be much better tuned. It also can’t be transposed.
Where can one get the22 tone harmonium?
But is harmoniumko khridna to hm jse nrml logoka bska nh hga sir 😔
can you provide information on where I can get this 22 tone intrument
You will get it from his website 22 Shrutis
Are you manufacturing normal Indian classical harmonium other than 22-shruti.
I want to buy
No we do'nt. Dr.Oke
Sir ,Is it available for market?
If it is then what will be the price?
Please visit www.22shruti.com for further information. Dr.Oke
this is a great work done by dr oke .
I love it pranam 🙏
I'm grateful to you sir.
great resource
Endless applause for the work you have done Sir. But there is not any significant difference between 125 and 126, and 149.83 and 150.
That is what is demonstrated in the video. The dissonance is because of 100-126-149.83, and consonance due to 100-125-150. Hear again please. Dr.Oke
Sir is true genius .....
Aplya kade konta asto hya doghan paiki?
Donhi. Dr.Oke
I need this harmonium but how can i
Visit BUY HARMONIUM section on Homepage of our wesite www.22shruti.com for more information and thereafter contact me. Dr.Oke
Very well explained! Thanks!
Nicely explained the difference between two harmoniums....
How much it costs...
Please visit www.22shruti.com.
can you please tell us the Hz of all 22 shrutis in one octave please???
Please go to www.22shruti.com to learn Hz frequencies of all 22 shrutis.
Pertinent query Mr. Roy.
this harmo has 22 notes but same 12 keys like its European counterpart and that means you have to pull out/pull in levers again and again to play 22 notes. This makes it for professionals and not for beginners like me. It shall be amazing to see someone playing traditional music using this 22 notes harmonium. I am searching for such videos but have not found any.
This harmonium is only for those people who are prepared to learn the finer aspects of our classical music and 22 shrutis. It is not for beginners unless their Guru is well-versed with the subject. Beginner's videos are too much to expect. Dr.Oke
While playing particular raga we dont use more than 1 shruti for that particular note. For example in Bhoop raga or Durga raga the Re will be the same as defined under that raga. That particular shruti is only to be played throughout that raga so there there is no question of pulling knobs every time while playing single raga. For Bhoop Re knob will be different from Re in Durga but will be maintained the same throughout that raga.
wow.. its like a research!!!!
It's not 'like' research....It it actually researched by him.
Can I buy this harmonium?
Please see BUY HARMONIUM section on homepage of www.22shruti.com. Thanks. Dr.Oke
Just fantastic!
well explained sir
Damm!!! I need this!!!
You may visit www.22shruti.com for further information.
Sir it's so great! 😃
Wow so nice sir you also handsome
Not only hearing but also singing or playing or tuning our instruments on such dissonant sound freqencies.
Excellent
Price
Please visit www.22shruti.com for further information. Dr.Oke
Kimt kitna hai
So cool! Thank you
I want to buy Indian harmonium jisme 22 shrutiya hai
Go to www.22shruti.com to know more.
اچھا ہے شکریہ
??
Great
Where to be contacted ? And mob no ?
www.22shruti.com
👏🎹👌🎶🌹🥰💡👀💕🦢💎✅अद्भुत ,अद्वितीय !आकाशवाणी (AIR) व वरची स्वर्गातून येते ती ‘ढाळुनिया सुमने वदती धन्य धन्य धन्य’!तुमचं नाव विद्याधर हे तुमच्या गालावरच्या खळीप्रमाणे तुम्हाला शोभून दिसतं.धन्वंतरीच्या अंतरी बुद्धिवैभवाने तयार झालेली २२ श्रुतींची ही संवादिनी विलक्षण गोड वाजते!भारतीयांचं भाग्य म्हणून ही भेट आम्हाला लाभली!हार्दिक अभिनंदन व प स्नेहमय प्रणाम!-प्रा.मिलिंद मसुरेकर विले पार्ले पूर्व
Thanks for all the good words. Dr.Oke
Brilliant
I look 1st time 22 stoper of harmonium...
Omg wow 👌🙏🙏
German(western) is always half note upper pitch than indian or caserele.
This man has not clarified the source from where he learnt those natural frequencies !!!!!
They come from Nature or natural harmonics of any string. 'This Man'.
Kya baat kya sur kee degree tak le gaye ....apka knowledge hamare liye .kya kya hai....dhanyavad
Wow
Wahhhh
ruclips.net/video/5e3C4efyb2g/видео.htmlfeature=shared
ruclips.net/video/Yqa2Hbb_eIs/видео.htmlfeature=shared
While I was learning music I came across this video of Mr Vidyadhar Oke who has a patent on a 22 note harmonium. He goes great lengths to stress how the 8 note equi tempered scale is dissonance and so imperfect to the ear.
That is true. The natural scale sounds more harmonious to the ear. Lot of bhakts and proponents of Indian culture will jump here and say we told you so. Indian culture is always better and more advanced than western culture.
But wait a minute. There is one aspect Mr Oke doesn't reveal here. Perfect as it might be, the instrument has to be tuned to 1 particular scale, C E B etc. If you order a 22 shruti harmonium and on it try to play in F scale or G scale it will be a total mess. This is the advantage of equi tempered instruments. Since the frequency jump between 2 notes is constant, I can play on the same instrument in any scale.
So equi tempered scale or tuning was a compromise arrived at to enable more variety in music even though it might not be 100% perfect to the ear. And probably this is the reason western music has so many styles while Indian classical music has stagnated in a few common themes.
रीड का अंतर ही ये देशी ही ये जर्मन जबलेट रीड हे
Reed quiltey India harmon
इंडियन राग की बात करते हो और जुबान अंग्रेजी रख तो हो हम कैसे समझें આભાર
Aap Gujrati ya Hindi Bolo
The same concept probably is explained here in this video with a sound wave pattern demo...
ruclips.net/video/LQ0nXySrkhA/видео.htmlfeature=shared
Where do we get this Shruti harmonium?
ruclips.net/video/lMS30ybk1_w/видео.htmlfeature=shared.
This gives a more rational and acceptable version. Worth watching.
Dr.vidyadharji AaP ki khoj adbhoot he.22srutiyon ki jadu peti ab peti hi nahi veena ho gayi. Yah sangeet premiyon ki duniya sada AaP ki runi rahagi .AaP aalochana ki parvah na kare.ak hindi me Kahawat he ki..Hathi chale bazar, kutta bhonke hazar
Ary bja bhei lo
साहेब मराठी मध्ये बोला..इंग्लिश मध्ये बोलण आम्हाला समजत पण मराठी आहात तर मराठी माणसाला उपयोग होईल असं कराव.. बाकी बाजा वाजवून पोट भरणारे फारच कमी राहिले आहेत...
My Marathi lectures are also there on RUclips. Please see. Thanks. Dr.Oke
आदरणीय श्री मान् जी, आप को क्या हिन्दी नहीं आती, आप क्या भारत से है, या किसी और देश से,, जय श्री सीताराम जी, जय श्री पावन भूमि अयोध्या धाम, एल एम शुक्ला, पानीपत हरियाणा, यु, पी