@ 2:33 For its time period, the PZIII, aside from being a prime example concerning overall combat vehicle reliability, protection & firepower, this is all well n' good, in addition to its illusory interior dimentions, as pertaining to its rather roomy bow gunner/funker & driver positions... - Until face to face with the prospect that in order to exit the PZIII's chassis during exigent circumstances, one must 'Exit Through The Gift shop!' Yikes! At least the early Aufsrung models had side escape hatches in its hull & larger dual door turret hatches eh? 'Jus somethin spooky about not possessing individual overhead hatches for those two crewmen. Great presentation as always W&H!
Totally not a fan of Nazi Germany but they built some of the Baddest aircraft and armor in the second world war. Love these pic's of the Tiger in action! Thanks for posting these Vintage photo's!!:) In my humble opinion if the German's had fielded enough of these Tiger 1's and Panthers with proper supply lines and winter gear the battle for Kursk would have had a much different ending.
Biggest problem with Tiger and Panther was Hitler continually added to their original design and therefore their weight , Panther after extra Armour went from 30 to 45 Tons , Tiger from 45 to 56 Tons but the Gearbox's were not upgraded which is why they frequently broke down as they could not take strain of extra unplanned weight
@@joseph-sj7do Still they shoot down much more enemy tanks than they lost. Its was over all a very successfull tank. But Soviet Union simply had a much higher Number of tanks. Soviets build over 99.000 Tanks in WW2. Germany had around 32.000 Tanks (including Stugs). Even 1 Modell from the Soviets (T34) was build in larger Number than all german tanks together.
Panther had very weak side armor. Could be defeated by the 14.5mm AT rifle round ( the vertical part of the hull side). Even the sloped armor was thin.
Who cares? Both could be knocked out from the rear and flanks. I read somewhere that a Tiger2 was destroyed by a lowly M8 armored car firing through the engine compartment in the Ardennes. We see it even today that the quest for the indestructible tank is futile. Crew quality, the ability to work in a coordinated manner with other units and being used in a proper tactical environment is key to successful armored warfare. If an emphasis is to be placed on the technical aspects of a tank it should be firepower and mobility not protection.
@jsd795 The M8 v Tiger at St Vith has long been debunked. No Tigers were anywhere near St Vith. All of the 15 Tigers lost in the northern Bulge are documented with locations, dates and loss causes. None were lost around St Vith. Panthers were around St Vith, as were Panzer IVs and Stugs, but no Tigers. American tank ko claims have to be taken with a large pinch of salt. If every American claim of a Tiger was genuine then there must have been thousands of Tigers deployed against them 😂
@@jsd795 Tiger 008. Abandoned at Trois Ponts 25th December. Tiger 104. Abandoned La Gleize 23rd December. Tiger 105. Reversed into a building and got stuck. Stavelot 18th December. Tiger 134. Abandoned near Petit Spai bridge 25th December. Tiger 204. Abandoned at La Gleize 24th December. Tiger 205. Abandoned due to mechanical failure prior to operation start, whereabouts unknown. Tiger 211. Knocked out at Werimont Farm, La Gleize 22nd December. Tiger 213. Knocked out at Werimont Farm, La Gleize 22nd December. Tiger 222. Disabled by enemy fire at Stavelot 20th December. Tiger 304. Abandoned. Location and date unknown. Tiger 312. Knocked out near Goronne, west of Vielsalm 30th December. Tiger 331. Abandoned with mechanical failure east of Stavelot, date unknown. Tiger 332. Abandoned at Coo-Biester 25th December. Tiger 334. Knocked out between La Gleize and Bourgomont 22nd December. Tiger 2?? (exact number unknown). Thrown track and abandoned near La Gleize 23rd December. These are the 15 Tigers of Schwere SS Panzer Abteilung 501 lost in the Ardennes. Source. Tigers in the Ardennes by Greg Walden.
"German intentions, provided in part": nicely hedged but did 'Enigma' decrypts actually play *any* part? Surely the 'Lucy' spy ring was wholly responsible.
British intelligence relayed information to the Russians detailing exact dates and enemy formations giving the Russians more than enough time to mount a successful defense.
He did mention that (starting @ 1:50 to 2:20) ......... Brody had the bigger numbers, but Citadel was far more significant. Are you saying "weigh bigger" because of the panzers' tonnage?
@@maxhouse1125 No, i refer to the works of Dr. Roman Töppel, the leading expert on the Battle of Kursk. It was the biggest battle of the war in every regard. Biggest air Battle, biggest tank Battle, biggest numbers over all
This was known as the "mot pulk" formation....or Irresistible mastodon....not new, used in almost every offensive... and, ivan was used to it and ready and waiting... this is ALL ai crap...
I'll be the body part of my choice 80% of the war in Ukraine has been fought on ground still soaked in 80-year-old blood, the nearly lost Battle of Kursk being crucial to ultimate goal of invading Germany. Let's not forget Operation Bagration, which took place well to the west of Kursk a year later. The Soviets couldn't get to Berlin without sweeping the Wehrmacht completely out of the picture, the picture today being Ukraine, Poland, Byelorussia, Moldova, Romania and parts of the Baltic states. Weather had a lot to do with the year separation between these pivotal battles, I think.
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Panzer III may have been obsolescent at time of Kursk, but it still survived to the last day of the war to surrender in Norway.
they even fought in early 45 in germany. they were pressed into combat after serving as training units for years.
Very interesting. Very informative. Thank you.
@ 2:33
For its time period, the PZIII, aside from being a prime example concerning overall combat vehicle reliability, protection & firepower, this is all well n' good, in addition to its illusory interior dimentions, as pertaining to its rather roomy bow gunner/funker & driver positions...
- Until face to face with the prospect that in order to exit the PZIII's chassis during exigent circumstances, one must 'Exit Through The Gift shop!'
Yikes!
At least the early Aufsrung models had side escape hatches in its hull & larger dual door turret hatches eh?
'Jus somethin spooky about not possessing individual overhead hatches for those two crewmen.
Great presentation as always W&H!
Excellent video, very informative and very well presented. Thank you. 👍
Totally not a fan of Nazi Germany but they built some of the Baddest aircraft and armor in the second world war. Love these pic's of the Tiger in action! Thanks for posting these Vintage photo's!!:) In my humble opinion if the German's had fielded enough of these Tiger 1's and Panthers with proper supply lines and winter gear the battle for Kursk would have had a much different ending.
Biggest problem with Tiger and Panther was Hitler continually added to their original design and therefore their weight , Panther after extra Armour went from 30 to 45 Tons , Tiger from 45 to 56 Tons but the Gearbox's were not upgraded which is why they frequently broke down as they could not take strain of extra unplanned weight
@@joseph-sj7do Still they shoot down much more enemy tanks than they lost. Its was over all a very successfull tank. But Soviet Union simply had a much higher Number of tanks.
Soviets build over 99.000 Tanks in WW2. Germany had around 32.000 Tanks (including Stugs). Even 1 Modell from the Soviets (T34) was build in larger Number than all german tanks together.
Great as always!
Excellent footage used to illustrate your point. I haven't seen it before to my recollection.
Thank you
It was mainly MkIIIs and MkIVs protecting them
Excellent insights!
Exelente..gracias
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You sure do have access to some choice video :)
Soviets said tiger not panther harder to knock out especially from the flank
Panther had very weak side armor. Could be defeated by the 14.5mm AT rifle round ( the vertical part of the hull side). Even the sloped armor was thin.
@@displacedyankee7819yes but front glacis it was sloped 80mm was turned into 140mm for vertical hit.
Who cares? Both could be knocked out from the rear and flanks. I read somewhere that a Tiger2 was destroyed by a lowly M8 armored car firing through the engine compartment in the Ardennes. We see it even today that the quest for the indestructible tank is futile. Crew quality, the ability to work in a coordinated manner with other units and being used in a proper tactical environment is key to successful armored warfare. If an emphasis is to be placed on the technical aspects of a tank it should be firepower and mobility not protection.
@jsd795
The M8 v Tiger at St Vith has long been debunked. No Tigers were anywhere near St Vith.
All of the 15 Tigers lost in the northern Bulge are documented with locations, dates and loss causes. None were lost around St Vith.
Panthers were around St Vith, as were Panzer IVs and Stugs, but no Tigers.
American tank ko claims have to be taken with a large pinch of salt. If every American claim of a Tiger was genuine then there must have been thousands of Tigers deployed against them 😂
@@jsd795
Tiger 008. Abandoned at Trois Ponts 25th December.
Tiger 104. Abandoned La Gleize 23rd December.
Tiger 105. Reversed into a building and got stuck. Stavelot 18th December.
Tiger 134. Abandoned near Petit Spai bridge 25th December.
Tiger 204. Abandoned at La Gleize 24th December.
Tiger 205. Abandoned due to mechanical failure prior to operation start, whereabouts unknown.
Tiger 211. Knocked out at Werimont Farm, La Gleize 22nd December.
Tiger 213. Knocked out at Werimont Farm, La Gleize 22nd December.
Tiger 222. Disabled by enemy fire at Stavelot 20th December.
Tiger 304. Abandoned. Location and date unknown.
Tiger 312. Knocked out near Goronne, west of Vielsalm 30th December.
Tiger 331. Abandoned with mechanical failure east of Stavelot, date unknown.
Tiger 332. Abandoned at Coo-Biester 25th December.
Tiger 334. Knocked out between La Gleize and Bourgomont 22nd December.
Tiger 2?? (exact number unknown). Thrown track and abandoned near La Gleize 23rd December.
These are the 15 Tigers of Schwere SS Panzer Abteilung 501 lost in the Ardennes. Source. Tigers in the Ardennes by Greg Walden.
"German intentions, provided in part": nicely hedged but did 'Enigma' decrypts actually play *any* part? Surely the 'Lucy' spy ring was wholly responsible.
British intelligence relayed information to the Russians detailing exact dates and enemy formations giving the Russians more than enough time to mount a successful defense.
Great question!
@@MichaelPuga-u6o That seems to read like yet another simple assertion without any direct evidence whatever to back it up.
Kursk was weigh bigger than Brody. It was the biggest Battle of the war
He did mention that (starting @ 1:50 to 2:20) ......... Brody had the bigger numbers, but Citadel was far more significant. Are you saying "weigh bigger" because of the panzers' tonnage?
@@maxhouse1125 No, i refer to the works of Dr. Roman Töppel, the leading expert on the Battle of Kursk. It was the biggest battle of the war in every regard. Biggest air Battle, biggest tank Battle, biggest numbers over all
@@MrWolfgangtubeit was a joke. You spelt ‘way’ wrong. Weigh is related to weight.
This was known as the "mot pulk" formation....or Irresistible mastodon....not new, used in almost every offensive... and, ivan was used to it and ready and waiting... this is ALL ai crap...
Russia is winning in Kursk again. History doesn't repeat, but it often rhymes.
I'll be the body part of my choice 80% of the war in Ukraine has been fought on ground still soaked in 80-year-old blood, the nearly lost Battle of Kursk being crucial to ultimate goal of invading Germany. Let's not forget Operation Bagration, which took place well to the west of Kursk a year later. The Soviets couldn't get to Berlin without sweeping the Wehrmacht completely out of the picture, the picture today being Ukraine, Poland, Byelorussia, Moldova, Romania and parts of the Baltic states. Weather had a lot to do with the year separation between these pivotal battles, I think.