Ah, I always feel like I'm just using my imagination and just "making it all up", whenever I try anything like this. Thank you for clarifying that! Gives me some encouragement to try again.
I love this. Your explanation and walkthrough is fantastic. I have trouble going in and out of focus during a journey (random thoughts throughout the day, or even the scenario changing from seeing a guide and speaking with them to some made-up scenario between my friends or teacher and I. My teacher is a shamanic healer and he does very well, but I find your explanation in this video is much more accepted by my logical psyche. Thank you so much. 🙏
Great suggestion about lying down, I did my first journey at the weekend, it was fantastic but my shoulders started to ache like crazy, I'll be lying down next time, thank you 😊 xx
I’m just trying to learn and understand this from my Western born and raised perspective. Thank you so much for your interesting and clear presentation of this ancient tradition. I have liked and subbed. And I’ll be checking into your other videos shortly.
I like what you are saying. But even more importantly, I like the energy you exude. Interesting how you describe your own way to relax your body: melting into the floor. I will remember that one. Feels like it might work for me, too. I have been highly fascinated by the psoas muscle, and "melting" or softening is exactly what that muscle needs. During shamanic practice, but also "outside" that practice. I also like laying down better than sitting up straight. 🙏🏼😋🧞♂️
Thank You very much for this video, I have found many answers to a question gathered true long period of time :D Greetings and Blessings to You all of Your Family and Friends and so on and so on :D
Oh wow, I didnt know you can journey often as once a week, I like to enjoy my journey so its once a month or even less...and I stay there for hours per earth time
Thank you🏵️ Is it possible to be initiated into shamanism during your first shamanic experience? I had not intended on having a shamanic experience..but that's exactly what happened. I have made many connections to shamanism throughout my path/unfoldment I had a specific meditation through a devout self loving practice I was working on..I unfolded into a realm upon realm upon realm and was unfolding. Not a pathway..clearly unfolding translucent energy. I was guided to a tree by 2 other people and on the tree sat all types of animals. I instantly knew these animals were my teachers and I knew they would be there for guidance. I don't know who the guides were but they were expecting me.
Your not Initiated yet you have to learn everything before that happens even when dealing with the spirits.I personally work with the deceased as tech shaman and his entire tribe but you have to learn everything and experience everything before you can be a shaman in the sense because you need that experience to take it outside of your inner world If that makes sense
@@GerryStarnes memory is not like a tape recorder. It is akin to Chinese whisperers, and influenced by a range of factors, and entities, that seem to dwell in the lower world.
As you gain experience in non-ordinary reality, other aspects of the way you access it will likely change, as well. Remember: there is no "normal." There is how you do journeys, dreaming, etc. Trying to have a "normal" experience is limiting.
I thought these worlds are supposed to manifest in your mind through altered state (drumming) . You're saying to create your own world through your imagination using creative visualization and then explore them?
You can plan the journey, but the journey experience happens in a light trance state. Rhythmical drumming is most common and the method I speak about throughout. But there are others.
@@GerryStarnes I understand the intention and imagine a place to enter the worlds but once the drumming starts do you still create or visualize the world your going to or does it manifest in your mind as you fall into a trance like state from the drumming?
@@deltafour1212 You can set an intention about where you might want to go. However, the journey will take you where your intention might better be served. That said, the "Three Worlds" are a construct. After a couple of decades, I see the Worlds more like training wheels to give beginners some structure. In the end, though, they are just constructs. I now work mostly with the idea of Otherworld... so there is our ordinary reality (this world) and non-ordinary reality (Otherworld).
Yes, absolutely. Gongs, flute, bowls, didj... They tend to elicit different journeys though. The brainwave patterns produced are also different than rhythm (drums, sticks, rattles).
Certainly not wanting to argue with Harner. I reference what I have been taught and what works for me and everyone else in my circles. Frankly, beats that slow put me to sleep. 160-240 puts the brain in a Theta state, according to studies. So, I guess it depends on what you are wanting to experience. There is no "right" or "perfect" rhythm.
@@GerryStarnes Makes sense. Have been falling asleep to 120bpm drumming. Thought was doing something wrong. One more; Ingerman suggested her Journeys are more Clairaudient than visual. How do we meet our Guide, if Journeying is not like a visual movie? Practically speaking, one has to visualize the tunnel, enter the tunnel, then switch over to clairaudience to meet Spirit Animal?
@@frankie7275 Not everyone is visual. Talking about the journey in visual terms is simply the most convenient and accessible way to talk about it. Some people see, others "feel" what is happening. Others hear; some just "know." Everyone is different. Going down a tunnel is one way. However, feeling yourself sinking into the earth (or flying!) is equally valid.
@@GerryStarnes First, thank you for your time, wisdom and what youre doing for the Earth. Second, will reply via Facebook because sensitivity of question. Finally, aside from that, hope you're enjoying the Native American caffeinated favorite - Weeping Yaupon Holly Tea - wildly and natively grown in Texas! 🍵
There is no way that I'm aware of to attribute a percentage of people "in the world." Among students and people I have spoken with, the percentage would be very, very high. Mostly, it is a matter of continuing to practice and also realizing that not everyone journeys in the same way. One reason to continue to practice and learn is to discover how YOU journey.
@@GerryStarnes thank you for your response. I'm probably going to buy your journey 1.0 class. I have no prior experience with this, but I like this video you made. My dog just got killed and I'm hoping this can help me make his soul is ok.
"Shamanism, as it should be lived, is the embracing of the many by the one. Shamanism today is the one asking for assistance and allies from the many. It tries to control the many." - Almine
With all due respect to Almine, the term "Shamanism today" is a broad generalization. It's a nice quote, but wrong in application to individuals. The shamanic practices that I follow have nothing at all to do with trying to control anything. On the contrary, if you view my videos and read my publications, you will find that they are about aligning my life with Spirit, not trying to control or manipulate it.
Gerry Starnes Greetings Gerry, I typed some comments that did not make it in the post along with the Almine quote. You are correct. The quote is general but was, I think, meant to describe a prevailing theme in the egocentricism-dominant landscape of current collective conciousness that blocks a deeper attunement with the unseen forces. The proof is in the proverbial pudding, however, and the truth is indeed found from individual to individual as quite often the collective perspective is the result of subtle and overt manipulation by the darker powers that be. There are always those who will operate from the light of spirit. I am a relatively fresh student of Shamanism in this life after a spiritual awakening catapulted me to greater inward depths and am studying it from a multitude of angles. I have enjoyed those of your videos that I have watched thus far, as they ultimately aid in shaping perspective.
From the Almine quote, the great value I derived from it was in the discernment between control orientation and true oneness. That there is no "greater-than" or "less-than". That we are all connected. The animal kingdom, the flora kingdom and the mineral kingdom. All different......but all one. Flowing into and through each other.
Ok is it just me or i am having serious issues with falling asleep whilst deep meditating or journeying. I get images of animals in my mind and fall asleep with them. Even spider who im scared of / shadow animal. Is it normal to fall asleep at first? Am i just very un disciplined? like i feel i can get such a good sleep after but its meaning im not getting far lol
Some people do fall asleep. If that is happening often, try sitting up. You can still fall asleep, but you will also fall over. In either case, it's likely that Spirit is still working with you... just that you are unaware of what it is doing. Sometimes that's Spirit's way of keeping your Mind out of the process. Or you could just be tired...
Gerry Starnes i do suffer chronic fatigue fibromyalgia and what put me on shamanic journey to heal myself. I have cptds so trying to collect soul fragments. I believe ive been successful so far but as soon as i get one spirit shows me another and another its gone on for so long! I cant have much left of that work to do. But my body requires alot of sleep and intergration work. I got attuned to reiki before i got ill and i believe trying to heal others before i had done any work on myself was a mistake. Ive since spent decade doing so. I have never met a shaman before but alot of spiritual healers have not been able to do this kind of work successfully. I will do sitting up and just lay down to meditate where falling asleep is good. Im sure my guides and spirit animals work on me whilst asleep. I always feel good after. These videos are great thankyou for the channel
You might look at shamanicteachers(dot)com to see if any of Sandra Ingerman's students are near you. Also the Foundation for Shamanic Studies (shamanism(dot)org) may also have listings of people trained in shamanic healing work.
I'm not a fan of "supposed to." What happens is what happens. Dreaming and journeying are not that different. Both are doorways to non-ordinary reality. For me, journeying is more interactive, but that doesn't discount dreaming as in any way inferior.
The teachers we need show up when needed. thank you!
Thank you, I’m 61 and a complete newbie, my heart is open and I am very interested to learn more. ❤️
Honoring and Gratitude are key to our journey.
Ah, I always feel like I'm just using my imagination and just "making it all up", whenever I try anything like this. Thank you for clarifying that! Gives me some encouragement to try again.
Thanks brother.
My appreciation, love, and gratitude for this.
Thank you this was very helpful and answered a lot of my questions.
Very well explained, you are a great teacher ! Keep doing your good work !
what a great teacher, more please, thank you!
I love this. Your explanation and walkthrough is fantastic. I have trouble going in and out of focus during a journey (random thoughts throughout the day, or even the scenario changing from seeing a guide and speaking with them to some made-up scenario between my friends or teacher and I. My teacher is a shamanic healer and he does very well, but I find your explanation in this video is much more accepted by my logical psyche.
Thank you so much. 🙏
This was awesome. Thank you so much.
Great suggestion about lying down, I did my first journey at the weekend, it was fantastic but my shoulders started to ache like crazy, I'll be lying down next time, thank you 😊 xx
Thank you for validating my experience.
If you still require validation, you've still got many journeys ahead.
Thank you so much for this journey!!!!!
The real Shamanic Journey are the friends we met along the way
This is so helpful. I can’t wait to study this! I am ready for my journey!
THE BEST explanation I have ever been given. THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU
I’m just trying to learn and understand this from my Western born and raised perspective. Thank you so much for your interesting and clear presentation of this ancient tradition. I have liked and subbed. And I’ll be checking into your other videos shortly.
I like what you are saying. But even more importantly, I like the energy you exude.
Interesting how you describe your own way to relax your body: melting into the floor.
I will remember that one. Feels like it might work for me, too.
I have been highly fascinated by the psoas muscle, and "melting" or softening is exactly what that muscle needs.
During shamanic practice, but also "outside" that practice.
I also like laying down better than sitting up straight.
🙏🏼😋🧞♂️
Go’ w5?
Thank You very much for this video, I have found many answers to a question gathered true long period of time :D Greetings and Blessings to You all of Your Family and Friends and so on and so on :D
Thank you 🙏🏾
thank you for taking your time out to teach us this.
I will one day make you proud on my journey.
I appreciate it a lot. :)
Generously helpful. Thanks and love
Can you give us a story of one of your journeys? what you saw, who did you meet, the question you had and how it was answered? Please.
Thank you so much! I found the answers I needed
Whether or not you think things are made up, you can and will get lasting effects if done earnestly.
Oh I’m going to go look at this course, I so hope it’s yours. Have been waiting years 🙏🏻😊
I do hope that you found it... and yes, it is one of several courses and lessons in my program. Enjoy!
its not a coincidence, Thanks!
Thank you many blessings 🙏
What an amazing interpretation of visions..🏵️
Thank you Gerry for sharing. Well done.
Thank you for information just learning myself
This was really interesting. Thank you.
Thank you, i'm surprised this video gets only 1k likes
Oh wow, I didnt know you can journey often as once a week, I like to enjoy my journey so its once a month or even less...and I stay there for hours per earth time
Haha. When you still need someone to tell you what to do. 🤣
So very helpful. Thank you ❤️
Thank you.🙏
thank you
oh' Yes. Thank you so mutch. From Sweden.
Perfect timing
Thank you.
❤THANK YOU❤
Thank you very much
Thank you 😊
Thank you so much for the information.
Great tips and guidance. Very clearly explained the things that we might experience.
Thank you so much😊
Thanks for sharing the video and knowledge.. Wanted to know if rapé/hapeh should be done before or after a journey..
Thank You For Your Explanation.......xoxoxo muah
Thanks!
Thankyou
Thank you for sharing ! Can one beat the drum n still get on the shamanic journey. Thank you .
Should i always wait for power animals to give the answers? Or could connect with anyone down or up there who is willing to answer my questions?
I legit just watched all of your videos except for the long interviews (today though) what is your view on distance when doing a journey?
Hello,
I am from India. May i learn shamanic journey online?
Do I have to know what I am looking for? I am just getting into paganism. I believe I am a pantheist and am interested in Shamanism and Taoism.
Technicolour Stormshadow I used to be Christian but I’m trying to get into these types of religions such as shamanism Hinduism and Buddhism
Thank you🏵️
Is it possible to be initiated into shamanism during your first shamanic experience? I had not intended on having a shamanic experience..but that's exactly what happened.
I have made many connections to shamanism throughout my path/unfoldment
I had a specific meditation through a devout self loving practice I was working on..I unfolded into a realm upon realm upon realm and was unfolding. Not a pathway..clearly unfolding translucent energy.
I was guided to a tree by 2 other people and on the tree sat all types of animals. I instantly knew these animals were my teachers and I knew they would be there for guidance.
I don't know who the guides were but they were expecting me.
Your not Initiated yet you have to learn everything before that happens even when dealing with the spirits.I personally work with the deceased as tech shaman and his entire tribe but you have to learn everything and experience everything before you can be a shaman in the sense because you need that experience to take it outside of your inner world If that makes sense
The journey is as long as needed for the individual. If your journey is complete, there shouldn't be the need for more questioning. 🤷♂️
Thank you very helpful :)
I recently learnt that memory can be part of the lower world
In 25 years learning and journeying, I’ve never heard that or experienced that. Time is a Middle World concept.
@@GerryStarnes memory is not like a tape recorder. It is akin to Chinese whisperers, and influenced by a range of factors, and entities, that seem to dwell in the lower world.
I’ve been journeying a lot and now I have very vivid dreams every time I fall asleep. Is this normal?
As you gain experience in non-ordinary reality, other aspects of the way you access it will likely change, as well. Remember: there is no "normal." There is how you do journeys, dreaming, etc. Trying to have a "normal" experience is limiting.
I thought these worlds are supposed to manifest in your mind through altered state (drumming) . You're saying to create your own world through your imagination using creative visualization and then explore them?
You can plan the journey, but the journey experience happens in a light trance state. Rhythmical drumming is most common and the method I speak about throughout. But there are others.
@@GerryStarnes I understand the intention and imagine a place to enter the worlds but once the drumming starts do you still create or visualize the world your going to or does it manifest in your mind as you fall into a trance like state from the drumming?
@@deltafour1212 You can set an intention about where you might want to go. However, the journey will take you where your intention might better be served. That said, the "Three Worlds" are a construct. After a couple of decades, I see the Worlds more like training wheels to give beginners some structure. In the end, though, they are just constructs. I now work mostly with the idea of Otherworld... so there is our ordinary reality (this world) and non-ordinary reality (Otherworld).
@@GerryStarnes Sorry, I don't know the vocabulary, yet. Worlds are construct?
can a journey be made while listening to sounds like rain falling or birds' sounds or wind voice or any other nature sound??
Yes, absolutely. Gongs, flute, bowls, didj... They tend to elicit different journeys though. The brainwave patterns produced are also different than rhythm (drums, sticks, rattles).
@@GerryStarnes I personally I can't travel if not natural rhythm is the way to be held as if waving while moving in the heart of the experience space
160-240 BPM is faster than Harners suggested 105-120 BPM. Sounds true?
Certainly not wanting to argue with Harner. I reference what I have been taught and what works for me and everyone else in my circles. Frankly, beats that slow put me to sleep. 160-240 puts the brain in a Theta state, according to studies. So, I guess it depends on what you are wanting to experience. There is no "right" or "perfect" rhythm.
@@GerryStarnes Makes sense. Have been falling asleep to 120bpm drumming. Thought was doing something wrong. One more; Ingerman suggested her Journeys are more Clairaudient than visual. How do we meet our Guide, if Journeying is not like a visual movie? Practically speaking, one has to visualize the tunnel, enter the tunnel, then switch over to clairaudience to meet Spirit Animal?
@@frankie7275 Not everyone is visual. Talking about the journey in visual terms is simply the most convenient and accessible way to talk about it. Some people see, others "feel" what is happening. Others hear; some just "know." Everyone is different. Going down a tunnel is one way. However, feeling yourself sinking into the earth (or flying!) is equally valid.
@@GerryStarnes First, thank you for your time, wisdom and what youre doing for the Earth. Second, will reply via Facebook because sensitivity of question. Finally, aside from that, hope you're enjoying the Native American caffeinated favorite - Weeping Yaupon Holly Tea - wildly and natively grown in Texas! 🍵
Hello. What percentage of people in the world who sincerely try to learn shamanic journeying succeed?
There is no way that I'm aware of to attribute a percentage of people "in the world." Among students and people I have spoken with, the percentage would be very, very high. Mostly, it is a matter of continuing to practice and also realizing that not everyone journeys in the same way. One reason to continue to practice and learn is to discover how YOU journey.
@@GerryStarnes thank you for your response. I'm probably going to buy your journey 1.0 class. I have no prior experience with this, but I like this video you made. My dog just got killed and I'm hoping this can help me make his soul is ok.
Very sorry to hear this news, @@johnmazzola1221
@@GerryStarnes thank you
"Shamanism, as it should be lived, is the embracing of the many by the one. Shamanism today is the one asking for assistance and allies from the many. It tries to control the many." - Almine
With all due respect to Almine, the term "Shamanism today" is a broad generalization. It's a nice quote, but wrong in application to individuals. The shamanic practices that I follow have nothing at all to do with trying to control anything. On the contrary, if you view my videos and read my publications, you will find that they are about aligning my life with Spirit, not trying to control or manipulate it.
Gerry Starnes Greetings Gerry,
I typed some comments that did not make it in the post along with the Almine quote. You are correct. The quote is general but was, I think, meant to describe a prevailing theme in the egocentricism-dominant landscape of current collective conciousness that blocks a deeper attunement with the unseen forces. The proof is in the proverbial pudding, however, and the truth is indeed found from individual to individual as quite often the collective perspective is the result of subtle and overt manipulation by the darker powers that be. There are always those who will operate from the light of spirit.
I am a relatively fresh student of Shamanism in this life after a spiritual awakening catapulted me to greater inward depths and am studying it from a multitude of angles. I have enjoyed those of your videos that I have watched thus far, as they ultimately aid in shaping perspective.
From the Almine quote, the great value I derived from it was in the discernment between control orientation and true oneness. That there is no "greater-than" or "less-than". That we are all connected. The animal kingdom, the flora kingdom and the mineral kingdom. All different......but all one. Flowing into and through each other.
Ok is it just me or i am having serious issues with falling asleep whilst deep meditating or journeying. I get images of animals in my mind and fall asleep with them. Even spider who im scared of / shadow animal. Is it normal to fall asleep at first? Am i just very un disciplined? like i feel i can get such a good sleep after but its meaning im not getting far lol
Some people do fall asleep. If that is happening often, try sitting up. You can still fall asleep, but you will also fall over. In either case, it's likely that Spirit is still working with you... just that you are unaware of what it is doing. Sometimes that's Spirit's way of keeping your Mind out of the process. Or you could just be tired...
Gerry Starnes i do suffer chronic fatigue fibromyalgia and what put me on shamanic journey to heal myself. I have cptds so trying to collect soul fragments. I believe ive been successful so far but as soon as i get one spirit shows me another and another its gone on for so long! I cant have much left of that work to do. But my body requires alot of sleep and intergration work. I got attuned to reiki before i got ill and i believe trying to heal others before i had done any work on myself was a mistake. Ive since spent decade doing so. I have never met a shaman before but alot of spiritual healers have not been able to do this kind of work successfully. I will do sitting up and just lay down to meditate where falling asleep is good. Im sure my guides and spirit animals work on me whilst asleep. I always feel good after. These videos are great thankyou for the channel
You might look at shamanicteachers(dot)com to see if any of Sandra Ingerman's students are near you. Also the Foundation for Shamanic Studies (shamanism(dot)org) may also have listings of people trained in shamanic healing work.
Gerry Starnes thankyou will do so
I had a dream of the leopard man in a cave. What does that mean, and has anyone else had this experience?
pretty sure I feel asleep and had an intense dream unless that's what is supposed to happen.
I'm not a fan of "supposed to." What happens is what happens. Dreaming and journeying are not that different. Both are doorways to non-ordinary reality. For me, journeying is more interactive, but that doesn't discount dreaming as in any way inferior.
Thank you!
Thank You
Thank you 🙏🏽