I travelled to India 20 years ago, and visited some amazing sites, including the incredible Mamallapuram. The memory has has stayed with me ever since, I will never forget it. I love learning more about India's history, mythology and culture. This was an excellent video, thank you!
@@tsMuthuraman-hm6wgIdiot, she is not Lord Krishna's lover or something She is the symbol Prakrati (Nature) and Lord Krishna is paramatma (Supreme Consciousness)
@@davidmurphy563 The only channel I can vouch for is my own. But even I may get things wrong at times. Ancient Architects seems to care about getting things right, but I am sure even he would say that he has said things in the past he no longer holds to be true.
@@WorldofAntiquity That's fair. It can be hard as a layman with a casual interest to determine if you're being sold hogwash. I always look out for channels which say when they're not sure or take the time to correct errors. Only the deluded trade in certainty. I think it was the title being a little too reminiscent of ancient astronauts that set alarm bells unfairly perhaps. I'll give it a go.
40 minutes passed like a flash !! As a 19 year old with a deep interest in the unexplored archaeology of India, this was an absolute treat to watch ! Kudos !
@@hiteshgupta8474 brother if you really interested in topics like this i would like to visit sangam talk channel. The actual and unbiased content of human history and indian as well. This Western channel have many Miss informations. About date and narrative. So keep your knowledge safe and clear from miscommunication. And agenda driven narrative.
"O Krishna, thy kin shall meet the same ignoble end as my sons did, thy kingdom be destroyed like mine" thundered Gandhari upon learning the fate of her sons. Pandavas and Krishna stood moot, shocked as Gandhari hurled the curse at lord Krishna. The war was over, the curse lived on, coiled like a snake; waiting patiently for its chance to strike. And so it came to pass; thirty six years after the great battle of Kurukshetra, there was a a celebration at the golden kingdom of Dwarka. Intoxicated with wine and power; Krishna's sons fought each other to death as their father looked on helplessly. But the curse was not yet done, it sprung forth again disguised as a giant Tsunami, struck the Kingdom and wiped it off the map, never to be seen again. Kali Yuga had begun!
Personally I think that there is always a kernel of truth in ancient stories, the truth may only slightly resemble the story but it is always there. If nothing else stories like stories like that of Dwarka give archeologists place to start and some thing to look for.
@@StopFear bro just stop , commenting ignorance everywhere isn't gonna give you nothing,there hasn't been much archeology done on the sites of maha bharata but still randomly we find ancient weapons dated back to that period or before and also about dwaraka ,i don't know the source but some archeologist found something in the underwater remains of dwaraka which matches the description in hindu scriptures, reply if you want source (I'll have to find it ,i watched it 1yr back🥲)
I think stories are better at describing truths than real life. The truth behind romeo and juliette or toy story is a deep abiding truth. It doesnt mean the toys started talking. Because its a story. So you can entirely miss the truth of a story if you go looking for material realness over meaning.
@SatyaPrakash-cq2lc why are you being rude they haven't commented ignorance they have asked. Whether you could say that of every story. Which is a question. And a good one. You are a rude person so it's you who should stop.
The stories of Krishna, including the apocalyptic end of his kingdom and people, have been told to me since I was a small child, but I haven't critically reviewed them all that much. This will doubtless be interesting.
Thank You for these videos. My personal life is messed up and I can hardly sleep at night. But your videos help me to get my mind off of the daily anxieties & deep dive into a different world altogether. I am a data scientist now but was always a fan of history & archaeology in high school, so I find these things extremely interesting and it soothes my mind when I am unable to fall asleep. Thank You. 😊
I found it very helpful to find a good therapist when going through the same thing…can take some “shopping” but the right therapist really turned things around for me.
@@jonnywatts2970 to say it precisely, most people have messed up lives, be it personal or professional, because we are living in a messed up society and world.
I want to post before i watch this time. I really want to say massive thanks and sincere respect to David for taking time out of his day to answer my questions in a very kind and patient way. That means a lot to me. I always say to the "ancient tech" folks that you have to understand academic history before you can form a alternative...that is what i am trying to do. Thank you again David....respect, peace and success to you.
@@WorldofAntiquity Thank you for your reply David, i am very much looking forward to your History Matters book. As i said, in over a decade on YT your channel is the first i have become a patreon to. That is the should tell you regard i hold this channel in...peace to ya.
Thank you Dr Miano. There was a tremendous amount of researching that went into this response, I hope it was worthwhile. Thanks for including a shot of the Bosnian "pyramid", a feature I hope to see you cover one day.
This was completely new for me. Very interesting indeed. Thank you for the links to the archaelogical works. I am looking forward for digging into them.
Thank you so much for taking the time to do this. I was completely ignorant about the Harrapan period excavation and because of the problems with how the artifacts were brought to the surface (I didn't realize just how obviously they were natural gravel and nothing man made) I mistakenly thought that no research was being done. I would also like to point out that the original research team looking at the sonar scan and seeing the remains of a city being the result of paradoelia considering that I still have to keep reminding myself that rock formation on Mars isn't a pyramid and I admit that I sometimes feel disappointed that it isn't a pyramid.
The dwarka in the epic is described as having a lot of jewels the items we have found in the dwarka are mentioned in the Mahabharata imagine if the evacuation still continued we might have founded a lot of jewels and probably Krishna's crown
@@WorldofAntiquity probably although there is no evidence to claim that mahabharata didn't happened because of the Archeological evidences although the supernatural things like Astras are still a mystery
@@WorldofAntiquity Historians are pretty much still confused about mahabharata so it's useless debating about it when historians themselves are confused although many sites of the Mahabharata is still yet to be excavated
If you assume that Krishna gave a week's warning to Arjuna to evacuate Dwarka, then that would make sense as you said that no one was harmed and everyone had resettled. The claim of it being a "sudden" rise in sea level is strange and has no evidence. I'd say that it was probably predicted by observation considering the fact that dwarka was an ancient port city and that would go with Krishna's 7 days early warning. This is an interesting subject and I hope archaeological research is continued
In Mahabharata clan of yadu ( which shri krishna belonged to ) was going through a brutal civil war which was so devastating that every children of Krishna died in that war, when Arjuna arrived at dwarka to save women and children he was relentlessly attacked by abira clan who are called Mleech or barbarians by Arjuna. Dwarka might've been under siege by opposing parties of yadu clan or abiras. Arjuna had arrived with army but still wasn't successful in complete evacuation and many women and children ended up getting kidnapped. Maybe these attacks or sieges made it almost impossible for proper evacuation of people and property.
If we think on a simple way, that in the texts there was a city called Dwaraka which was destroyed/ submerged by sea, and now we found evidence of a city under the sea, moreover no other similar incidents related to submerging of a city have been mentioned anywhere.... so it is 70-80% indicating towards Dwaraka.
@@mariusandersons bro it's not possible to make a huge city only using gold.... If there is mentioned that dwarka was gold City, it means just not that a city constructed using gold.... It can be a city with prosperity..
@@annajose5525 bro it is possible to make a city of gold, in ramayana it had happened, but in dwarka, it is not mad up of gold, it is made of jewel stones
it is said that story of atlantis is based on the city of Dwarka, people say when the greeks came to India to study in takshashila(one of the oldest university) they herd about Dwarka and thus the story spread in Greece. Dwarka is about 4000 years old. Plato wrote about Atlantis only around 360 B.C., that is, much later. I think the only plausible explanation for the striking similarities is that Plato heard about Dwarka and based his imaginary Atlantis on Dwarka
Or you can say it's just opposite bcz Homer's lliad exist even before Greeks came to India and so may they brought it to india and also these story found in india after the end of maurya dynasty and actually when shunga dynasty begin. During maurya dynasty ,greek lost to Maurya's , and not allow to settle but when pushyamitra killed last maurya king ,Greeks were settled in whole north west of Indian subcontinent while shunga's in other side . And only after that all god in india born . Also intially lliad and mahabharat contain same number of shloka and only a story about war but later thousands of sholla added in mahabharata ,which is written In mahabharat. Also mahabharat has more number of character while lliad had less. And more number of character can only be possible when they were added later. Take a example like in movies series ,when 2nd or 3rd part came ,they have more number of chracter than the first part. So if Greeks would of have copied then they should have all the story of Krishna Sudama etc but they actually not. So obviously it's opposite than what you thinking.
I will say a bit about the anchors, just because the anchors found are Medieval doesn't mean the city is, anchors are not infrequently lost and left behind, so all that says on its own is that the area has been underwater since at least the Medieval period. Now, if there's a lack of any anchors predating that, then that's more support that it wasn't submerged much longer than the Medieval, but absence of evidence of not evidence of absence, while losing anchors isn't uncommon, it's not impossible for the water to have submerged the area and ships to have simply not lost anchors, ships to have not anchored in that area, or us to not have found anchors, say due to them being buried under too much silt. I'm generally willing to accept the dating, but I would find it far from unlikely for later evidence to be found pushing the dates back.
Dwarka as per the texts was built on reclaimed land from sea on God Krishna's request. Hence when Krishna left the Earth, the sea reclaimed the land. The sunken city is few kms into the sea where the modern day Dwarka is situated.
Fantastic stuff. Visited khambhat, Bharuch, Lothal, Dwaraka and Dholavira a few months ago. It's been a long time since any archaeological digs have been done in many of these places. Egs, spoke with some of the local labor who were brought in for the last dig in Dholavira - it was done 17 years ago! Large portion of the site is still to be investigated and it is hella expensive for such large scale digs apart from dealing with insane govt bureaucracy. I've also seen some satellite pics of the area and there are multiple embankments around the site which haven't been investigated yet.. ! Extremely promising stuff...
This is what irritates me, you know. The government has funds for propagating their agenda, but not for these important excavations, the finds from which could very well change some of the estimates for timelines
@@honeybeemoo Well, let me put it this way. If you drive some sense of ownership of history with its current people, the justification for funding large scale digs would be a lot easier. Agenda/propaganda is fine as long as you get the money to dig and allow freedom to analyse sites scientifically without interference. Sadly enough, even for grants from universities and other institutions require people to justify how the dig fits/fulfills their agenda or ideology. Govts aren't usually smart with language so you know to call agenda or ideology when you see it but for private institutions, which are smarter, the same thing is covered as philosophy or policy. Same stuff.
My Grandmother used to tell me stories of Dwarka sinking, as she didn't knew Dwarka exists even today. It look's & seems logical that city keeps shifting as the coast keeps shifting. And based on milankovitch cycle, we are moving towards warmer earth, so sea level is rising since the ice ages.
6:13 The 900,000 royal palaces comes in city of dvaraka is from the book Bhagavatam. It is a later book. Also, the word prasada means something like a Mansion more than a palace. My city of Dallas has more mansions than mentioned here...
@@FilesdocumentsAndreposit-kr3vbsanskrut is umbrella to allmost all launguage in India...by the way I speak kannada.... which is also influenced by sanskrut
I read Underworld several years ago, including data about diving on these ruins. Now this video explains that . the story is much more complicated than i thought. My mind tends to "cut and dry" whatever I've read or watched and "put it away" as if it is "settled", which I now see is very far from true.
Thanks for another great video! so glad someone is doing this, there's so much misinformation, most i imagine by well intended people without the proper education to understand what they're seeing.
Another great video - thanks - I'm slowly getting through them. I'd already read the academic papers you mentioned regarding Dwarka / Bet Dwarka - remarkably prosaic compared with Hancock's version from 'Underworld' (as his book was called in Britain). Still, I enjoyed them both.
If one wishes to keep records of what happened, n explained according to their cultural lingo, its not really interesting. People kinda did keep records. Not all record keeping back then was always the best method. Papyrus fades, clay weather's away, stone lasts a bit longer but fades away eventually. Metal's like bronze, cooper, lead, ect seems to be the best for it.
Thanks again, Dr. Miano. For some unknown reason, the thought of the supposed finds in the Gulf of Khambat crossed my mind this evening. Then, Lo and behold, this video comes up on my feed. Synchronicity. I must confess that I am a fan of Hancock's books, but I consider them a form of Romantic fiction and purely for entertainment only. The Lost Civilization and, more so, the Ancient Alien movements seem to me to be secular fundamentalist religions demanding literal interpretations and conspiracies to create a persecution complex, while the "theory", proclaimed as fact, provides some kind of "gnosis". Only the true believers are "in the know," while "Academia" plays the role of the corrupt priesthood.
@@noam65😅 because your are gone with British 🙂 And 😅Local communists parties fixed chips in your head 🙂 You are just robots🙃 Which always speaks Tamil is old......... Tamil is old......... Tamil is old.........😅
Do you have any tips for finding a scientific literature on a specific topic or area? Or is it just Google skills? Sometimes I find it quite hard to find good information in the sea of conspiracy websites. I'm always impressed by the amount of papers you find.
I don't know if you've seen my video on scholarly articles, but at the end I make a few suggestions: ruclips.net/video/tN0KkHBcIWo/видео.html If you are looking for something specific and need assistance, let me know!
id go with the fishermen on the dwarka site.... of course they will have in depth... accurate information, if you have big balls id go like Graham hancock and take a dive.... i am afraid of water and deep water at that, so rob its up to you to dive it.... A million sites will only give you second hand information... Dive it, hit the settlement and you will find out if its real or not, i find it impossible they can fake an underwater settlement a km or more out to sea... so this is legit... is it Atlantis? Doubt it... becaue atlantis was on the mediterranean.
wow i remember looking up the papers of objects found in underwater ruins and anchors and reading up the mythology - yours is more up to date and thorough.
Thank you sir. I’ve learned about Egypt, Mesopotamia, Rome etc, famous ancient civilisations, and pre-history, through your channel, and other creators. However this video serves as my introduction to ancient Indian history & myth. I seem to be heading east in my learning journey. With India, where do you start? Here’s as good a place as any, as someone who had no prior knowledge of the Harappen period or ancient India at all. There’s something particularly engaging about seeing a fraud like Hancock exposed (again) while learning something new at the same time. As for the other fella, he sounded pretty legit, good voice, right up until the “craft attacking from orbit”, it caught me off guard I lost it 🤣
@@hanzoY248 The creator is American not European. You can view his citations/historiographical sources in the description - this list includes a number of top Indian experts. It may be unfamiliar for RUclips, but World of Antiquity is a great example of what we call a Historian with capital H. Unlike many of the bullshit amateur creators on these topics this man is a professional; a legitimate academic, properly citing respected domain experts.
Firstly, impressed by your pronunciation efforts! Secondly, i belive mid 20th century was not the best time for archeology considering that a colonial mindset was still around, however that has more or less come to a stop and so discussion on topics is far more prevalent. Which makes me happy. I think nationalism spoils this too but that i dont believe can be dealt with at this stage of human psyche Thirdly, could you do a constructive assessment on Prof Nilesh Oak's dating of Mahabharata? He uses quite a lot of convincing evidence to put the date of Mahabharata around 5000 BC. What i would really like is a podcast where you discuss that with him which he is up for and does invite criticism himself, but a general video lile the one above would be nice. Hope you see this comment.
At least two other people have asked me to address Nilesh Oak's dating of the Mahabharata, so I will probably do that relatively soon. I will need to do a lot of research on astronomical science for that, I believe.
@@WorldofAntiquity im glad you replied. And yes, he has used couple of fields to substantiate his claims including astronomy and hydrographic surveys i belive, with some more fields as well. You could get in touch with him for his sources or a discussion in general. Thank you once again! I hope the government invests more in archeology, India has so much potential for finds considering a long and more or less continuous civilization just like egypt and greece
@@adisura9904 oh you hate everything about everything that has made it possible for you to even be on the internet right now or even enjoy the ability to complain about everything. I really have disdain for people who say, " I'm a purist in this world of thought" but then begin to rip on everything that precedes you. It's pure cowardice, laziness, and intellectually corrupt. I would agree with you on almost all archaeology that has taken place pre 1950s... It's all highly questionable right now and I wouldn't say because of colonialism( if you think this way your a basic thinker and have never had an original idea in your life).. It's easier to say that science has really advanced in its objectivity and the wealth of the world is such that people don't need to fabricate as much for their personal gains plus they can't get away with it anymore...
What really entertains me about this comment is that this content creator lives in the field of debunking modern myths using that same mid 19th century archaeological evidence or the remnants of its inaccuracies like the cartouche in the great pyramid was definitely faked by that man when he discovered it and modern science knows it but we still stick to it with all our might. But it brings me great joy to hear you drag on mid 19th century and all the rest of it that functions exactly the same and this channel eats from that trash science. How soon we all forget that science is more failure than it is fact and arguing certainties about something that is so uncertain makes my sides hurt from laughter.. Why hate on the next man trying to make the next great discoveries? Is it fear? Is it tribalism? People can't accept anything being different and mostly you all have been drinking from the fountain of lies for decades. Who knows where science will be in a few hundred years on all of this.... it could really be anywhere.
Responding to your question toward the end, I’m not saying they are smoking guns beyond doubt, but the features I find impressive and hard to explain on some of the dredged artifacts are the holes, the apparent lathing and the polishing. That one object was apparently lathed and had a hole apparently drilled lengthwise (almost looked phallic lol).
As a manufacturer and former toolmaker the history of manufacturing and toolmaking is a subject near to my heart. It gives me a somewhat different perspective on certain things, like lathes, than others may have. A potter’s wheel is a lathe. In modern terms a normal potter’s wheel is a vertical faceplate lathe. A lump of wet clay to anchor the workpiece is the ancient equivalent of the adhesive chucks we still use today for faceplate workholding. Any workpiece held in the lathe can be center drilled without the use of any layout tools and requires only something to hold the drill in place. Romans did it with scaffolding and a hole the same size as the drill bored through a beam laying on top of the scaffolding. And, crucially, you don’t need hard tools to turn something on a slow lathe. The central factors determining the need for hard tools are timeline and heat dissipation. All you need to turn stone on a slow lathe is something moderately hard and appropriately shaped. I’m not saying they did this at Dwarka, but any culture that has thrown pottery also has everything necessary to turn and center drill stone.
@@zalayashpalsinh5427it isn’t really deer shaped, it just kinda looks like a deer a little. If he had held the artifact up without telling you he thought it was a deer you’d have never called it a deer
He is a journalist who demands to be treated as a scholar, yet cries 'I'm only a journalist' when his scholarship is questioned. He definitely knows what he is doing, even if his fans are blind to it.
The Climate cycles of our water planet as determined by the Galactic Milankovitch cycles are continental glaciers with lower sea levels (Dwarka, Atlantis's) brought on by East to West Global Tsunami's (Younger Dryas, Gobekli tepe) every 13,000 years half the Precessional/Great Year/Yuga cycles) when our solar system crosses over our galaxies Electromagnetic/Gravitational Plane/Equator. It takes Millenia to cross the Galactic plane and EM plasma Bursts, E-W global tsunami's will gradually get worst for 500 years until we start heading out of the galactic plane. In the MILLENIA it takes for our solar system to cross the galactic plane we are going to experience EM plasma bursts, Asteroid impacts due to crossing the galaxies Kuiper's belt, and East to West Global Tsunami's from the increased EM/gravity while crossing over the galactic plane. The last time we crossed over the galaxies equator was the Younger Dryas layer or When Gobekli tepe was buried under 15 meters of 19 sedimentary layers covering 9 hectares spanning MILLENIA. There are 7-26,000 year precession cycles in one 240,000 year rotation of the Galactic bulge Eccentricity cycle. There are 4 60,000 year quadrants in the obliquity/magnetic north global warming/cooling cycle in accordance to our position relative the galactic bulge. Perihelion with the galactic bulge is when magnetic north is at it's maximum 24.5 degrees inclination. Noah's flood is not the precession/Great Year/Yuga cycles flood. It will be the reflooding of the Mediterranean when the silt dam at the strait of Gibraltar breaks called the Zanclean flood. Covid like CO2 is a LIE strawman built upon an INCONVENIENT truth. The Baby Boomers who were born en mass 75 years ago are starting to die from the usual suspects of seasonal FLu/Pneumonia and old age. The covidiot mask of the BEAST is just a pretext for the final solution Vaccine of the beast. No Buying or Selling with out the mask/mark of the beast. Revelations 13 16-18. This has all happened before some 12,000 years ago. Jesus loved all races because there is only one race the HUMAN race with only one minority the INDIVIDUAL human. Your being divided to be conquered by the DNA family.
I think if he had any interest in anything beyond hearing his own voice he would have at least googled some things or bought a book on the topic or visited a museum and half the crazy things he says would have been quickly dispelled had he done so or at least rendered more educated eve. If they stayed outliers. He obviously has zero interest in learning anything that doesn't supoort his own ideas.
While I was taking a Buddhist study group years ago, one of the people leading it mentioned something interesting. In ancient India they didn't really have a word for the concept of infinity. So they would use very large numbers to communicate the feeling of numbers so vast they are incomprehensible. Also, texts that come from this time often have numbers that once held a specific spiritual significance. This meaning may have to do with the number of virtues, like in Buddhism we have the 4 Noble Truths. In Judeo Christian traditions the number 40 is repeated a lot. Some of these numbers had meanings in ancient times almost like words. Kind of like a persons last name might be Cooper or Wright or Smith. But if you know history, those are all professions. So their name has two meanings, the general and the specific.
I'm just at 7.49 , where you just mentioned there was no mention of spacecraft. But in the contrary in the fight between Narakasura, Banasura and Krishna it was mentioned. Also puranas, Ramayana and Mahabharata had mentions of Vimana (spacecrafts) belonged to different kings and devas and asuras.
@@WorldofAntiquity In Hindi, Bengali and other languages which are originated from Sanskrit, Vimana or Vimaan (Biman in bengali) means spacecraft or more specifically aeroplane. It's a common term we use in a daily basis.
@@WorldofAntiquity I finished your video, it was really informative and very well described. Makes lots of sense. Regarding the Vimana topic, I guess you are mentioning Chariot because you are referencing to Pushpak Vimana. Back then when people thought about flying objects which can carry people around (aircraft) they could only thought about flying chariots as those were the only fast moving car back then. But whatever the shape is by Vimana they definitely meant aircraft.
Lothal an IVC site is near to the gulf of khambat.There are possibilities of IVC sites in the gulf of khambat . Dwarka means door to something. It was a great port easily reachable for people from mesopotamia. Dwarka is definetely one of the two sites mentioned in the video.
Nice work, I enjoyed watching it. Many thanks Also, just for the sake of accuracy, someone plz tell Dr. Neil Kenyon (the quote at 28:24) that it's 'persian gulf', not 'arabian gulf'
Even though i am atheist i Believe these cities existed and those hindu gods too. Since the concept of god is totally different in dharmik religions which allows even a human to be considered as god upon his/her very good deeds toward people and krishna was a king of dwarika he may have exited. It is so old that evidence are lost so does the evidence of alexander too still we know he existed.
Well since hindus are cremated, it's very hard to find their bones and any sort of DNA that would explain their existence...Even among the Upanishads, many of the data were lost....They couldn't be restored...
Interesting comment. Can somewhat agree to a limited degree but it is still unclear whether these actual individuals existed/conflation of various stories folklore about leaders, individuals that become narrative for one figure...and dharmic traditions may 'respect' an individual, however it seems Krishna and likewise Rama were adopted by Vaishnavist schools of thought as avatars. The adoption of these figures as avatars or god incarnate, as well as other, for example; socio, economic, geopolitical, linguistic dynamics of that era...e.g. Chandra Gupta era, Buddhism, Jainism established over the period of these times as well...various reformations of vedic schools of thoughts... Vaishnavism even adopted Gautama Buddha as an avatar later as well. None of which have any mention or relevance in vedic scripts. Vishnu is barely recognised or appears as a prime deity or God... Other than later on with purunas etc. Let alone his adopted avatars...myth be interesting.
@@pavansan3224 Where was your pagan Imaginary indian been krisna who never existed when zionist Muslim conquer 700 year rules committed lagest genocide in the world on Indians hindus this includes Sikhs Buddhists destruction of temple burning hindu alive enslavement raping enslavement forces convention of hindu to become zionist Muslim some say 400 million some say 300 million. Where was Bramah creator pagan Indian imaginary beens never existed. Like all religions are pagan imaginary been never ever speak for itself but only in people's heads always there 🤕 heads
There is Only One God that is Lord Krishna❤ “Those who are devotees of other gods and who worship them with faith actually worship only me, O son of Kunti, but they do so in a wrong way. I am the only enjoyer and master of all sacrifices. Therefore, those who do not recognize my true transcendental nature fall down”(Lord Krishna, Bhagavad-Gita 9.24)
Please do a video on Rama Setu (connects india and srilanka) and Vaimanika Shastra (meaning Study of Aeroplanes) (it's a old scripture by Sage Bharadwaja)
The pottery in Gulf of cambay could also be associated with the fact that the major peninsular river, the river Narmada meets the Arabian sea at Gulf of Cambay. This river also has a religious importance in Hinduism. For many religious rituals including the last rites the earthern pots are released in the river. This to me looks like one of the sources for pottery and other human made objects!
Doc, the truth is just so much better than the fictions. Thank you for having this channel. Thank you for doing this work. I’m going to join the Patreon once I get paid in about 24 hours.
@@WorldofAntiquity done and done. Again Doc, it’s just so much more fascinating and satisfying to me, to learn the truth. The human species is absolutely incredible, and we’ve been able to do amazing things. I’m on a fixed income, but I have become a patron at the level that I can afford.
I have a friend whose father is neck deep in Graham Hancock BS and keeps feeding it to her. She approached me (a history student) for an alternate perspective. Do you have any tips as to how I might get through to her? The father is probably a lost cause, but she is clearly somewhat sceptical.
Have you a better explanation? Or would you working from a conclusion backwards? Interested to know. Thanks for the warning either ways. But the surveys are ongoing and a better case is being built progressively.
Even if the text written in 3rd century BCE speaks about energy weapons, missile like weapons, attack from air etc still it is 2300 years before and very impressive
How and in what way is it “impressive”? That someone had fantasized them? I am sure you know there are uneducated and pseudo intellectual people in India today that claim ancient Indians flew in aircraft and had advanced super technology. So in what sense then would it be impressive?
31:40 don't they look like man-made objects? I feel like they are man-made. Can I know why u think they are not? Do you think it's just a normal stone sir? But I feel like normal doesn't look like that. Let me know you opinion sir.
Good one Dr David😊well researched...thanks for all the clips,visuals and important details you utilize like the red laquered pottery for timeline and human habtation. Im not sure what blew Davarka out of the water but,you have made some very compelling stance here💯❤😊
As an Indian, I appreciate your work sir. This video is excellent 👌. Majority Indians are basically unaware of our history. They believe in mythical flying monkeys, vedic planes and radars. They take puranas and itihasas ( Ramayana and Mahabharata ) as factual historical events rather than fiction. Especially in our current political situation, I hope you are aware of rising hindu nationalism. Your videos on Indian history and archeology will be very useful and productive.
sigh... so it come to this stage? tbh I like both epic not as history but as maybe philosophy... the debate on it what is "rightful, truth, duty" and such stuff imo more valuable than where or when it happens. The story about Karna is interesting, like a commentary how human judged by their parents or lineage rather than their true ability, strength or wisdom. Still I agree the historical side is interesting to discover.
But the puranas say that it is factual. I am reading it. There is a video on discovery of Ram Setu. If Ramayan is fiction then who aligned those boulders connecting India and Lanka?? The only problem is that these events happened thousands of years ago, there has been cataclysmic earth changes, it's difficult to prove with archeological evidence that these things are as correct as written in our holy books. This reminds me of what Dr. Brian Weiss said, that he was so Academic that he didn't believe in Reincarnation. See how he changed and even believe soul mates reunite in next lives, just like we watch hindi movie love stories, saat janm ka saath.
Ummm....the date of Mahabharata is really a debate... Tradition holds it around 3100BCE, like, The Aihole inscription of Pulikeshi II, dated to Saka 556 = 634 CE, claims that 3735 years have elapsed since the Bharata battle, putting the date of Mahābhārata war at 3137 BCE. Although present day historians and archaeologists prefer a late date, Ranging from 1900-900BCE. There are some historical kings in Mahabharata whose historisity was already proved like Parikshit, Janmajeya, etc Puranic literature presents genealogical lists associated with the Mahābhārata narrative. there is the direct statement that there were 1015 (or 1050) or 1500 years between the birth of Parikshit (Arjuna's grandson) and the accession of Mahapadma Nanda (400-329 BCE). Archaeological findings that are candidate for Mahabharata are PGW, OCP etc cultures. recent excavation shows Charriots in Sinauli 1800-1900BC, the archaeolists BK Manjul also connects the Mahabharata with OCP culture (~2500 BC-2000 BC), and now even PGW which earlier thought 1500BCE old, now shows goes back to 2300BCE or earlier. So, nothing can be sure about the date, let's see what new discoveries shows.. by the way nice video 👍👍
Looking at the artifacts from the Khambat "excavation," the one does look similar to ritual phalluses I've seen from Israeli archaeology, so I wouldn't dismiss that as made by human beings. But even then, as you rightly point out, there is no evidence for how old that is or how it got to the site, so it could very well be much more recent and just lost in a shipwreck, or over the side of a ship, or something else could have lead to be being there. But most of it looks like rocks you'd expect to find underwater.
I was sort of an armature paleontologist (got in the news paper for it, and traveled to gravel pits), those are fossilized sponges or corral, you'd be amazed at the strange shapes that life has taken over the half a billion years of evolution. The sponges often have holes through them to increase waterflow, as they're filter feeders.
If you look at the demographics of this area this is totally relatable to the story of Krishna ..as shri skrishna is believed to have the king of the ahirs the caste which is till today are the clan of cow herders and the people of same caste with similar language live in Mathura and Kutch as well .. and both areas have very good quality milk producing cows ..and what's more interesting is that both areas have similar traditional dress
All the main reason is. It was curse to krishna given by ghandari that krishna people and his kingdom has to be soaked in ocean 🌊. Because lord krishna is the main reason of dieing ghandari 101 son's in batlle and wining kurushetra in mahabaratha. History was never wrong about indian gods jai lord krishna.
There is a quote from Hancock somewhere (EDIT: See below)) in which he claims to be like a lawyer trying to convince a jury of his case, which really says everything about his attitude. He starts with his assumption ('guilty') and compiles all the evidence available to make that case. It makes for ripping yarns, many of which I devoured with relish as a teen, but really terrible scholarship. Although he reached the masses at first through double-page spreads in The Daily Mail, he came into his own in the era of RUclips. Thanks for your efforts in trying to defeat the algorithm and human nature itself in pushing back against his seductive tales. Edit: Here is Hancock's claim that he is defending his 'client' (a lost civilisation): 'A parallel for what I do is to be found in the work of an attorney defending a client in a court of law. My ‘client’ is a lost civilisation and it is my responsibility to persuade the jury- the public- that this civilisation did exist.' www.graham hancock.com/features/trenches-p3.htm
He pretty much gives his game away there. Science doesn't seek to persuade; it seeks to test. He's not interested in science unless it can coincidentally be used to persuade.
I travelled to India 20 years ago, and visited some amazing sites, including the incredible Mamallapuram. The memory has has stayed with me ever since, I will never forget it. I love learning more about India's history, mythology and culture. This was an excellent video, thank you!
I believe it is now called Mahabalipuram and I strongly recommend a visit for anyone traveling to Tamil Nadu!
Not sure what what you wrote has to do with the video.
just chant Radha Radha and you'll know everything about it without being there.
@@buyhighselllow2209 Radha was Krishnas lover , why should one chant somebody elses lovers name ?
@@tsMuthuraman-hm6wgIdiot, she is not Lord Krishna's lover or something
She is the symbol Prakrati (Nature) and Lord Krishna is paramatma (Supreme Consciousness)
Learned a lot in this one David. I’m more and more interested in Indian history. Great job!
Thanks, Matt!
@@WorldofAntiquity Can you vouch for Ancient Architects as a trustworthy ancient history channel? That is, dealing in fact not fantasy.
@@davidmurphy563 The only channel I can vouch for is my own. But even I may get things wrong at times. Ancient Architects seems to care about getting things right, but I am sure even he would say that he has said things in the past he no longer holds to be true.
@@WorldofAntiquity That's fair. It can be hard as a layman with a casual interest to determine if you're being sold hogwash. I always look out for channels which say when they're not sure or take the time to correct errors. Only the deluded trade in certainty.
I think it was the title being a little too reminiscent of ancient astronauts that set alarm bells unfairly perhaps. I'll give it a go.
If you want to learn amazing thing's then watch video's made by Praveen Mohan.
40 minutes passed like a flash !! As a 19 year old with a deep interest in the unexplored archaeology of India, this was an absolute treat to watch ! Kudos !
@@hiteshgupta8474 brother if you really interested in topics like this i would like to visit sangam talk channel. The actual and unbiased content of human history and indian as well.
This Western channel have many Miss informations. About date and narrative. So keep your knowledge safe and clear from miscommunication. And agenda driven narrative.
"O Krishna, thy kin shall meet the same ignoble end as my sons did, thy kingdom be destroyed like mine" thundered Gandhari upon learning the fate of her sons.
Pandavas and Krishna stood moot, shocked as Gandhari hurled the curse at lord Krishna.
The war was over, the curse lived on, coiled like a snake; waiting patiently for its chance to strike.
And so it came to pass; thirty six years after the great battle of Kurukshetra, there was a a celebration at the golden kingdom of Dwarka.
Intoxicated with wine and power; Krishna's sons fought each other to death as their father looked on helplessly.
But the curse was not yet done, it sprung forth again disguised as a giant Tsunami, struck the Kingdom and wiped it off the map, never to be seen again.
Kali Yuga had begun!
So accurate when u explain it so plainly in English
Spitting literature isn't gonna help here
That’s the story of Atlantis the whole city was cursed buy god for there wickedness all this time it was in India
Personally I think that there is always a kernel of truth in ancient stories, the truth may only slightly resemble the story but it is always there. If nothing else stories like stories like that of Dwarka give archeologists place to start and some thing to look for.
Isn’t what you wrote applicable to literally any story and historical claim? The question is how small are these “kernels”.
@@StopFear bro just stop , commenting ignorance everywhere isn't gonna give you nothing,there hasn't been much archeology done on the sites of maha bharata but still randomly we find ancient weapons dated back to that period or before and also about dwaraka ,i don't know the source but some archeologist found something in the underwater remains of dwaraka which matches the description in hindu scriptures, reply if you want source (I'll have to find it ,i watched it 1yr back🥲)
I think stories are better at describing truths than real life. The truth behind romeo and juliette or toy story is a deep abiding truth. It doesnt mean the toys started talking. Because its a story. So you can entirely miss the truth of a story if you go looking for material realness over meaning.
@SatyaPrakash-cq2lc why are you being rude they haven't commented ignorance they have asked. Whether you could say that of every story. Which is a question. And a good one. You are a rude person so it's you who should stop.
The stories of Krishna, including the apocalyptic end of his kingdom and people, have been told to me since I was a small child, but I haven't critically reviewed them all that much. This will doubtless be interesting.
Well, use common sense.
@@StopFear yes...u should also respect other views...ok
@@StopFear its not there till the time it is not discovered.
As an archaeologist working on the terminal pleistocene-holocene period, in my opinion the NIOT consultant has never seen microliths in his life
What period is that😵
@@dasamlan9874 when Pronouns didn't exist and wokeism was also non existent
A monumental public service, as always. Thank you!
Thank you for watching!
Thank You for these videos. My personal life is messed up and I can hardly sleep at night. But your videos help me to get my mind off of the daily anxieties & deep dive into a different world altogether. I am a data scientist now but was always a fan of history & archaeology in high school, so I find these things extremely interesting and it soothes my mind when I am unable to fall asleep. Thank You. 😊
Aw, I'm happy to know that!
Hang in there brother. Many people have messed up personal lives. You're not alone.
I found it very helpful to find a good therapist when going through the same thing…can take some “shopping” but the right therapist really turned things around for me.
@@jonnywatts2970 to say it precisely, most people have messed up lives, be it personal or professional, because we are living in a messed up society and world.
@@deepakmusinada5011 I couldn't agree more. It seems we are determined to destroy ourselves.
I want to post before i watch this time. I really want to say massive thanks and sincere respect to David for taking time out of his day to answer my questions in a very kind and patient way. That means a lot to me. I always say to the "ancient tech" folks that you have to understand academic history before you can form a alternative...that is what i am trying to do. Thank you again David....respect, peace and success to you.
Thank you, Darren. That's much appreciated!
@@WorldofAntiquity Thank you for your reply David, i am very much looking forward to your History Matters book. As i said, in over a decade on YT your channel is the first i have become a patreon to. That is the should tell you regard i hold this channel in...peace to ya.
Only close to 2 percent of India has been archaeologically explored and excavated. Shameful though.
Because they dont want to burst the bubble that the middle east is the origin of civilisation.....
I live in Bhubaneswar, we’ve lost the ancient city of Sishupalgarh from the time of Ashoka to modern development.
Thank you Dr Miano.
There was a tremendous amount of researching that went into this response, I hope it was worthwhile.
Thanks for including a shot of the Bosnian "pyramid", a feature I hope to see you cover one day.
“Let’s see what Hancock has to say”
This should be good.
superb commentary, as usual. Ancient Astronaut channel is a bit nutty, but Dr. Milano does a good job of separating the chaff from the wheat.
This was completely new for me. Very interesting indeed. Thank you for the links to the archaelogical works. I am looking forward for digging into them.
Thank you so much for taking the time to do this. I was completely ignorant about the Harrapan period excavation and because of the problems with how the artifacts were brought to the surface (I didn't realize just how obviously they were natural gravel and nothing man made) I mistakenly thought that no research was being done. I would also like to point out that the original research team looking at the sonar scan and seeing the remains of a city being the result of paradoelia considering that I still have to keep reminding myself that rock formation on Mars isn't a pyramid and I admit that I sometimes feel disappointed that it isn't a pyramid.
The dwarka in the epic is described as having a lot of jewels the items we have found in the dwarka are mentioned in the Mahabharata imagine if the evacuation still continued we might have founded a lot of jewels and probably Krishna's crown
Yes, although gold, silver, and jewels often get added to stories to embellish them.
@@WorldofAntiquity probably although there is no evidence to claim that mahabharata didn't happened because of the Archeological evidences although the supernatural things like Astras are still a mystery
@@Nova67827 When historians approach a book, they must approach it as they would any other book, capable of both truth and error.
@@WorldofAntiquity Historians are pretty much still confused about mahabharata so it's useless debating about it when historians themselves are confused although many sites of the Mahabharata is still yet to be excavated
@@WorldofAntiquity the government of India probably won't invest in Archeological surveys for now because of horrible pandemic in India
If you assume that Krishna gave a week's warning to Arjuna to evacuate Dwarka, then that would make sense as you said that no one was harmed and everyone had resettled. The claim of it being a "sudden" rise in sea level is strange and has no evidence. I'd say that it was probably predicted by observation considering the fact that dwarka was an ancient port city and that would go with Krishna's 7 days early warning.
This is an interesting subject and I hope archaeological research is continued
Probably a slow but devastating flood
@brenton thacker i meant flood from nearby salt plane/ swamps geography of gujrat is little weird ofcourse i actually don't know what happened
In Mahabharata clan of yadu ( which shri krishna belonged to ) was going through a brutal civil war which was so devastating that every children of Krishna died in that war, when Arjuna arrived at dwarka to save women and children he was relentlessly attacked by abira clan who are called Mleech or barbarians by Arjuna. Dwarka might've been under siege by opposing parties of yadu clan or abiras. Arjuna had arrived with army but still wasn't successful in complete evacuation and many women and children ended up getting kidnapped. Maybe these attacks or sieges made it almost impossible for proper evacuation of people and property.
7 days is rather short a time to resettle. 😂
If we think on a simple way, that in the texts there was a city called Dwaraka which was destroyed/ submerged by sea, and now we found evidence of a city under the sea, moreover no other similar incidents related to submerging of a city have been mentioned anywhere.... so it is 70-80% indicating towards Dwaraka.
but it was made of gold and we didn't find any gild there Could be just city of indus valley civilization time
@@mariusandersons bro it's not possible to make a huge city only using gold.... If there is mentioned that dwarka was gold City, it means just not that a city constructed using gold.... It can be a city with prosperity..
@Rupendra Sharma bro we cannot make a city with gold thats impossible by gold city they may meaned prosperity
@@mariusandersons dwarka was made of jewels right, is it made of gold?
@@annajose5525 bro it is possible to make a city of gold, in ramayana it had happened, but in dwarka, it is not mad up of gold, it is made of jewel stones
The citizens of New Orleans, Amsterdam, Venice and other coastal citys might find flooding in rivermouths unsurprising.
And moreover people from India living near Ganga and other rivers.
@@vivashvanbhushan3422 good point
Mainstream archeology doesnt wanna hear this 😂🤡
@@SWOTHDRA they even conspired with the car industry, to supress triangular wheels.
@@comentedonakeyboard 🤡🥴👎
it is said that story of atlantis is based on the city of Dwarka, people say when the greeks came to India to study in takshashila(one of the oldest university) they herd about Dwarka and thus the story spread in Greece. Dwarka is about 4000 years old. Plato wrote about Atlantis only around 360 B.C., that is, much later.
I think the only plausible explanation for the striking similarities is that Plato heard about Dwarka and based his imaginary Atlantis on Dwarka
makes sense
The Greeks didn’t have a secure contact with India until ~40 years after Plato
possible...i believe most of things we term today as mythology was actually those civilizations which had disappeared
Or you can say it's just opposite bcz Homer's lliad exist even before Greeks came to India and so may they brought it to india and also these story found in india after the end of maurya dynasty and actually when shunga dynasty begin.
During maurya dynasty ,greek lost to Maurya's , and not allow to settle but when pushyamitra killed last maurya king ,Greeks were settled in whole north west of Indian subcontinent while shunga's in other side .
And only after that all god in india born .
Also intially lliad and mahabharat contain same number of shloka and only a story about war but later thousands of sholla added in mahabharata ,which is written In mahabharat.
Also mahabharat has more number of character while lliad had less.
And more number of character can only be possible when they were added later.
Take a example like in movies series ,when 2nd or 3rd part came ,they have more number of chracter than the first part.
So if Greeks would of have copied then they should have all the story of Krishna Sudama etc but they actually not.
So obviously it's opposite than what you thinking.
@@NN94887 Lol what? Mahabharata was written way before Illiad. And orally transmitted way before, get your facts right
I will say a bit about the anchors, just because the anchors found are Medieval doesn't mean the city is, anchors are not infrequently lost and left behind, so all that says on its own is that the area has been underwater since at least the Medieval period. Now, if there's a lack of any anchors predating that, then that's more support that it wasn't submerged much longer than the Medieval, but absence of evidence of not evidence of absence, while losing anchors isn't uncommon, it's not impossible for the water to have submerged the area and ships to have simply not lost anchors, ships to have not anchored in that area, or us to not have found anchors, say due to them being buried under too much silt. I'm generally willing to accept the dating, but I would find it far from unlikely for later evidence to be found pushing the dates back.
Good point.
David, love your passion for the subject and how deep you go. Really appreciate your efforts in bringing visibility to Indian history.
"Ancient History Matters" - I love that show, like when Urkel accidentally burned down the Library of Alexandria.
Dwarka as per the texts was built on reclaimed land from sea on God Krishna's request. Hence when Krishna left the Earth, the sea reclaimed the land. The sunken city is few kms into the sea where the modern day Dwarka is situated.
Yea yea, very scientific.
@@StopFear she's not telling you scientific proofs.... She's just telling the story mention in Mahabharata....
@@StopFearwhat is your problem??
Fantastic stuff. Visited khambhat, Bharuch, Lothal, Dwaraka and Dholavira a few months ago. It's been a long time since any archaeological digs have been done in many of these places. Egs, spoke with some of the local labor who were brought in for the last dig in Dholavira - it was done 17 years ago! Large portion of the site is still to be investigated and it is hella expensive for such large scale digs apart from dealing with insane govt bureaucracy. I've also seen some satellite pics of the area and there are multiple embankments around the site which haven't been investigated yet.. ! Extremely promising stuff...
This is what irritates me, you know. The government has funds for propagating their agenda, but not for these important excavations, the finds from which could very well change some of the estimates for timelines
@@honeybeemoo Well, let me put it this way. If you drive some sense of ownership of history with its current people, the justification for funding large scale digs would be a lot easier. Agenda/propaganda is fine as long as you get the money to dig and allow freedom to analyse sites scientifically without interference. Sadly enough, even for grants from universities and other institutions require people to justify how the dig fits/fulfills their agenda or ideology. Govts aren't usually smart with language so you know to call agenda or ideology when you see it but for private institutions, which are smarter, the same thing is covered as philosophy or policy. Same stuff.
@@santoshkathira Well, that's just sad and disappointing
Thanks you Dr.Miano, criminally underrated channel.
My Grandmother used to tell me stories of Dwarka sinking, as she didn't knew Dwarka exists even today.
It look's & seems logical that city keeps shifting as the coast keeps shifting.
And based on milankovitch cycle, we are moving towards warmer earth, so sea level is rising since the ice ages.
6:13 The 900,000 royal palaces comes in city of dvaraka is from the book Bhagavatam.
It is a later book. Also, the word prasada means something like a Mansion more than a palace.
My city of Dallas has more mansions than mentioned here...
Prasad means the offerings that you offer to deities that same thing is offered to devotes after sometimes.
@@FilesdocumentsAndreposit-kr3vb
Prasad in Bengali also means a palacial house
@@apurbadeb7618 bengali not Sanskrit
@@FilesdocumentsAndreposit-kr3vbsanskrut is umbrella to allmost all launguage in India...by the way I speak kannada.... which is also influenced by sanskrut
@@FilesdocumentsAndreposit-kr3vb prosad & prasad has different meaning. prosad means offered things to gods & prasad means buildings.
Finally a well researched video that backs itself up with facts.....time to subscribe
Thanks, and welcome!
Unsubscribe this channel, this channel give false claims to brainwash people.
Just brilliant, thank you so much! The most comprehensive objective and rational presentation of the existence of Dwarka. Really enjoyed it.
I read Underworld several years ago, including data about diving on these ruins. Now this video explains that . the story is much more complicated than i thought. My mind tends to "cut and dry" whatever I've read or watched and "put it away" as if it is "settled", which I now see is very far from true.
That's the trouble with the real world. It's almost never so simple.
Last picture of river and temple at sunset was awesome
I just love this channel. Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge and filling in the gaps for us.
Aw, thanks. I am glad you are enjoying the videos, Melissa!
Thanks for another great video! so glad someone is doing this, there's so much misinformation, most i imagine by well intended people without the proper education to understand what they're seeing.
Another great video - thanks - I'm slowly getting through them. I'd already read the academic papers you mentioned regarding Dwarka / Bet Dwarka - remarkably prosaic compared with Hancock's version from 'Underworld' (as his book was called in Britain). Still, I enjoyed them both.
I've never heard of these places or the myth surrounding it before. I love learning! Thank you!
Glad you enjoyed!
@@WorldofAntiquity Thanks for re-liking after I corrected my spelling mistake haha!
These are not myths these are true
These are history.
@Faye Ho what a lame story.
Gr8 video mate, refreshing to get some straight more accurate information for a change. Thank you for your work
I was having a bad day until now... Thanks!
Mahabharat text contains information related to submergence of dwaraka and how people were moved to different location. Interesting.
If one wishes to keep records of what happened, n explained according to their cultural lingo, its not really interesting. People kinda did keep records. Not all record keeping back then was always the best method. Papyrus fades, clay weather's away, stone lasts a bit longer but fades away eventually. Metal's like bronze, cooper, lead, ect seems to be the best for it.
Wow , didn't knew you have covered dwarka as well , thank you so much. 🙏❤️
Thanks again, Dr. Miano. For some unknown reason, the thought of the supposed finds in the Gulf of Khambat crossed my mind this evening. Then, Lo and behold, this video comes up on my feed. Synchronicity. I must confess that I am a fan of Hancock's books, but I consider them a form of Romantic fiction and purely for entertainment only. The Lost Civilization and, more so, the Ancient Alien movements seem to me to be secular fundamentalist religions demanding literal interpretations and conspiracies to create a persecution complex, while the "theory", proclaimed as fact, provides some kind of "gnosis". Only the true believers are "in the know," while "Academia" plays the role of the corrupt priesthood.
India has so many languages. Depending on which languages you're transliterating from, Dwarka could have many different spellings.
Most ancient language
Sanskrit
@@Nope-111 , apparently, Tamil may be older.
@@noam65 😅I don't fight with you
@@noam65😅 because your are gone with British 🙂
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@@noam65 tamils are brainwashed
this is our history proud to be indian
Do you have any tips for finding a scientific literature on a specific topic or area? Or is it just Google skills? Sometimes I find it quite hard to find good information in the sea of conspiracy websites. I'm always impressed by the amount of papers you find.
I don't know if you've seen my video on scholarly articles, but at the end I make a few suggestions: ruclips.net/video/tN0KkHBcIWo/видео.html If you are looking for something specific and need assistance, let me know!
id go with the fishermen on the dwarka site.... of course they will have in depth... accurate information, if you have big balls id go like Graham hancock and take a dive.... i am afraid of water and deep water at that, so rob its up to you to dive it.... A million sites will only give you second hand information... Dive it, hit the settlement and you will find out if its real or not, i find it impossible they can fake an underwater settlement a km or more out to sea... so this is legit... is it Atlantis? Doubt it... becaue atlantis was on the mediterranean.
Dr Miano your excellent deep diving into real facts sinks so many crazy myths. Keep blowing those bubbles! Thanks again.
Thanks a lot . I was believing that it was 100% correct that they had found Dwarka. I live in Brazil, Porto Alegre.
wow i remember looking up the papers of objects found in underwater ruins and anchors and reading up the mythology - yours is more up to date and thorough.
Thank you sir. I’ve learned about Egypt, Mesopotamia, Rome etc, famous ancient civilisations, and pre-history, through your channel, and other creators. However this video serves as my introduction to ancient Indian history & myth. I seem to be heading east in my learning journey. With India, where do you start? Here’s as good a place as any, as someone who had no prior knowledge of the Harappen period or ancient India at all. There’s something particularly engaging about seeing a fraud like Hancock exposed (again) while learning something new at the same time. As for the other fella, he sounded pretty legit, good voice, right up until the “craft attacking from orbit”, it caught me off guard I lost it 🤣
Read Bhagwad Gita and you will find many information about Krishna.
definitely dont listen to a european for indian history lol
@@hanzoY248 The creator is American not European. You can view his citations/historiographical sources in the description - this list includes a number of top Indian experts. It may be unfamiliar for RUclips, but World of Antiquity is a great example of what we call a Historian with capital H. Unlike many of the bullshit amateur creators on these topics this man is a professional; a legitimate academic, properly citing respected domain experts.
Firstly, impressed by your pronunciation efforts!
Secondly, i belive mid 20th century was not the best time for archeology considering that a colonial mindset was still around, however that has more or less come to a stop and so discussion on topics is far more prevalent. Which makes me happy. I think nationalism spoils this too but that i dont believe can be dealt with at this stage of human psyche
Thirdly, could you do a constructive assessment on Prof Nilesh Oak's dating of Mahabharata? He uses quite a lot of convincing evidence to put the date of Mahabharata around 5000 BC. What i would really like is a podcast where you discuss that with him which he is up for and does invite criticism himself, but a general video lile the one above would be nice.
Hope you see this comment.
At least two other people have asked me to address Nilesh Oak's dating of the Mahabharata, so I will probably do that relatively soon. I will need to do a lot of research on astronomical science for that, I believe.
@@WorldofAntiquity im glad you replied. And yes, he has used couple of fields to substantiate his claims including astronomy and hydrographic surveys i belive, with some more fields as well. You could get in touch with him for his sources or a discussion in general. Thank you once again! I hope the government invests more in archeology, India has so much potential for finds considering a long and more or less continuous civilization just like egypt and greece
@@adisura9904 oh you hate everything about everything that has made it possible for you to even be on the internet right now or even enjoy the ability to complain about everything. I really have disdain for people who say, " I'm a purist in this world of thought" but then begin to rip on everything that precedes you. It's pure cowardice, laziness, and intellectually corrupt. I would agree with you on almost all archaeology that has taken place pre 1950s...
It's all highly questionable right now and I wouldn't say because of colonialism( if you think this way your a basic thinker and have never had an original idea in your life)..
It's easier to say that science has really advanced in its objectivity and the wealth of the world is such that people don't need to fabricate as much for their personal gains plus they can't get away with it anymore...
@@chuckdeuces911 whatever dude. You know nothing about me. Go bother someone else.
What really entertains me about this comment is that this content creator lives in the field of debunking modern myths using that same mid 19th century archaeological evidence or the remnants of its inaccuracies like the cartouche in the great pyramid was definitely faked by that man when he discovered it and modern science knows it but we still stick to it with all our might. But it brings me great joy to hear you drag on mid 19th century and all the rest of it that functions exactly the same and this channel eats from that trash science. How soon we all forget that science is more failure than it is fact and arguing certainties about something that is so uncertain makes my sides hurt from laughter..
Why hate on the next man trying to make the next great discoveries? Is it fear? Is it tribalism? People can't accept anything being different and mostly you all have been drinking from the fountain of lies for decades. Who knows where science will be in a few hundred years on all of this.... it could really be anywhere.
Responding to your question toward the end, I’m not saying they are smoking guns beyond doubt, but the features I find impressive and hard to explain on some of the dredged artifacts are the holes, the apparent lathing and the polishing. That one object was apparently lathed and had a hole apparently drilled lengthwise (almost looked phallic lol).
As a manufacturer and former toolmaker the history of manufacturing and toolmaking is a subject near to my heart. It gives me a somewhat different perspective on certain things, like lathes, than others may have.
A potter’s wheel is a lathe. In modern terms a normal potter’s wheel is a vertical faceplate lathe. A lump of wet clay to anchor the workpiece is the ancient equivalent of the adhesive chucks we still use today for faceplate workholding.
Any workpiece held in the lathe can be center drilled without the use of any layout tools and requires only something to hold the drill in place. Romans did it with scaffolding and a hole the same size as the drill bored through a beam laying on top of the scaffolding.
And, crucially, you don’t need hard tools to turn something on a slow lathe. The central factors determining the need for hard tools are timeline and heat dissipation. All you need to turn stone on a slow lathe is something moderately hard and appropriately shaped.
I’m not saying they did this at Dwarka, but any culture that has thrown pottery also has everything necessary to turn and center drill stone.
@@StoneInMySandal bro he just means how can a deer shaped object be natural!it just dont make sense
@@zalayashpalsinh5427it isn’t really deer shaped, it just kinda looks like a deer a little. If he had held the artifact up without telling you he thought it was a deer you’d have never called it a deer
I sometimes wonder if Hancock really believes everything he says, or if he's more interested in selling a good story.
He is a journalist who demands to be treated as a scholar, yet cries 'I'm only a journalist' when his scholarship is questioned. He definitely knows what he is doing, even if his fans are blind to it.
He claims “academics have books to sell and lecture tours to make money off of...” and so does he.
The Climate cycles of our water planet as determined by the Galactic Milankovitch cycles are continental glaciers with lower sea levels (Dwarka, Atlantis's) brought on by East to West Global Tsunami's (Younger Dryas, Gobekli tepe) every 13,000 years half the Precessional/Great Year/Yuga cycles) when our solar system crosses over our galaxies Electromagnetic/Gravitational Plane/Equator. It takes Millenia to cross the Galactic plane and EM plasma Bursts, E-W global tsunami's will gradually get worst for 500 years until we start heading out of the galactic plane.
In the MILLENIA it takes for our solar system to cross the galactic plane we are going to experience EM plasma bursts, Asteroid impacts due to crossing the galaxies Kuiper's belt, and East to West Global Tsunami's from the increased EM/gravity while crossing over the galactic plane.
The last time we crossed over the galaxies equator was the Younger Dryas layer or When Gobekli tepe was buried under 15 meters of 19 sedimentary layers covering 9 hectares spanning MILLENIA.
There are 7-26,000 year precession cycles in one 240,000 year rotation of the Galactic bulge Eccentricity cycle. There are 4 60,000 year quadrants in the obliquity/magnetic north global warming/cooling cycle in accordance to our position relative the galactic bulge. Perihelion with the galactic bulge is when magnetic north is at it's maximum 24.5 degrees inclination.
Noah's flood is not the precession/Great Year/Yuga cycles flood. It will be the reflooding of the Mediterranean when the silt dam at the strait of Gibraltar breaks called the Zanclean flood.
Covid like CO2 is a LIE strawman built upon an INCONVENIENT truth. The Baby Boomers who were born en mass 75 years ago are starting to die from the usual suspects of seasonal FLu/Pneumonia and old age. The covidiot mask of the BEAST is just a pretext for the final solution Vaccine of the beast. No Buying or Selling with out the mask/mark of the beast. Revelations 13 16-18. This has all happened before some 12,000 years ago.
Jesus loved all races because there is only one race the HUMAN race with only one minority the INDIVIDUAL human. Your being divided to be conquered by the DNA family.
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I think if he had any interest in anything beyond hearing his own voice he would have at least googled some things or bought a book on the topic or visited a museum and half the crazy things he says would have been quickly dispelled had he done so or at least rendered more educated eve. If they stayed outliers. He obviously has zero interest in learning anything that doesn't supoort his own ideas.
While I was taking a Buddhist study group years ago, one of the people leading it mentioned something interesting.
In ancient India they didn't really have a word for the concept of infinity. So they would use very large numbers to communicate the feeling of numbers so vast they are incomprehensible.
Also, texts that come from this time often have numbers that once held a specific spiritual significance. This meaning may have to do with the number of virtues, like in Buddhism we have the 4 Noble Truths. In Judeo Christian traditions the number 40 is repeated a lot. Some of these numbers had meanings in ancient times almost like words.
Kind of like a persons last name might be Cooper or Wright or Smith. But if you know history, those are all professions. So their name has two meanings, the general and the specific.
OM literally means infinity, and dont forget 0 was discovered by indian
didn't have time for this yesterday. super excited to sit down and watch this one over lunch.
I'm just at 7.49 , where you just mentioned there was no mention of spacecraft. But in the contrary in the fight between Narakasura, Banasura and Krishna it was mentioned. Also puranas, Ramayana and Mahabharata had mentions of Vimana (spacecrafts) belonged to different kings and devas and asuras.
A Vimana was not a spacecraft. It was a flying palace or chariot.
@@WorldofAntiquity In Hindi, Bengali and other languages which are originated from Sanskrit, Vimana or Vimaan (Biman in bengali) means spacecraft or more specifically aeroplane. It's a common term we use in a daily basis.
@@mukherjee4u Today. Not back then.
@@WorldofAntiquity I finished your video, it was really informative and very well described. Makes lots of sense.
Regarding the Vimana topic, I guess you are mentioning Chariot because you are referencing to Pushpak Vimana. Back then when people thought about flying objects which can carry people around (aircraft) they could only thought about flying chariots as those were the only fast moving car back then. But whatever the shape is by Vimana they definitely meant aircraft.
@@clapog If the ancient people did not know the difference between space and atmosphere, they could not have known about space.
Lothal an IVC site is near to the gulf of khambat.There are possibilities of IVC sites in the gulf of khambat . Dwarka means door to something. It was a great port easily reachable for people from mesopotamia. Dwarka is definetely one of the two sites mentioned in the video.
Nice work, I enjoyed watching it. Many thanks
Also, just for the sake of accuracy, someone plz tell Dr. Neil Kenyon (the quote at 28:24) that it's 'persian gulf', not 'arabian gulf'
Nice to see, for a change, someone who doesn't make a big deal of how supposedly hard to pronounce foreign words are.
Even though i am atheist i Believe these cities existed and those hindu gods too. Since the concept of god is totally different in dharmik religions which allows even a human to be considered as god upon his/her very good deeds toward people and krishna was a king of dwarika he may have exited. It is so old that evidence are lost so does the evidence of alexander too still we know he existed.
Well since hindus are cremated, it's very hard to find their bones and any sort of DNA that would explain their existence...Even among the Upanishads, many of the data were lost....They couldn't be restored...
It means you are spiritual not religious 👍
Interesting comment. Can somewhat agree to a limited degree but it is still unclear whether these actual individuals existed/conflation of various stories folklore about leaders, individuals that become narrative for one figure...and dharmic traditions may 'respect' an individual, however it seems Krishna and likewise Rama were adopted by Vaishnavist schools of thought as avatars. The adoption of these figures as avatars or god incarnate, as well as other, for example; socio, economic, geopolitical, linguistic dynamics of that era...e.g. Chandra Gupta era, Buddhism, Jainism established over the period of these times as well...various reformations of vedic schools of thoughts... Vaishnavism even adopted Gautama Buddha as an avatar later as well. None of which have any mention or relevance in vedic scripts. Vishnu is barely recognised or appears as a prime deity or God... Other than later on with purunas etc. Let alone his adopted avatars...myth be interesting.
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Panchar putra spotted 🤏🏿 With his madarsa chap knowledge 🤲🏿🥴
Tume yehi god hai kya tum be god me be god 😂
Thank you! This is the best summary of the ancient city of Dwarka. Well done!
On what basis do you make that claim? I mean, whose research do you take as the definitive against which other claims are measured?
His using the footage from Bahubali as he describes Dwarka is priceless. 😅
Good to see you, not just showing criticism toward India.
He is trying to cleverly trying to play down everything including time, the weapons, grandeur - he has an agenda
@@pavansan3224 Where was your pagan Imaginary indian been krisna who never existed when zionist Muslim conquer 700 year rules committed lagest genocide in the world on Indians hindus this includes Sikhs Buddhists destruction of temple burning hindu alive enslavement raping enslavement forces convention of hindu to become zionist Muslim some say 400 million some say 300 million. Where was Bramah creator pagan Indian imaginary beens never existed. Like all religions are pagan imaginary been never ever speak for itself but only in people's heads always there 🤕 heads
There is Only One God that is Lord Krishna❤
“Those who are devotees of other gods and who worship them with faith actually worship only me, O son of Kunti, but they do so in a wrong way. I am the only enjoyer and master of all sacrifices. Therefore, those who do not recognize my true transcendental nature fall down”(Lord Krishna, Bhagavad-Gita 9.24)
Dear Professor, another amazing video.
Please do a video on Rama Setu (connects india and srilanka) and Vaimanika Shastra (meaning Study of Aeroplanes) (it's a old scripture by Sage Bharadwaja)
Please, rather asking these so called historians for your history lessons, do research by yourself.
The Adam bridge 👍
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This is not Myth, its Indian History, Hare Krishna
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Well done, it's a fascinating search, and Graham Hancock screws it up as always :-)
Thank you for this video! 🙏 Learned something new today, never heard of this city before...
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The pottery in Gulf of cambay could also be associated with the fact that the major peninsular river, the river Narmada meets the Arabian sea at Gulf of Cambay. This river also has a religious importance in Hinduism. For many religious rituals including the last rites the earthern pots are released in the river. This to me looks like one of the sources for pottery and other human made objects!
Doc, the truth is just so much better than the fictions. Thank you for having this channel. Thank you for doing this work. I’m going to join the Patreon once I get paid in about 24 hours.
Thank you, Tammi!
@@WorldofAntiquity done and done. Again Doc, it’s just so much more fascinating and satisfying to me, to learn the truth. The human species is absolutely incredible, and we’ve been able to do amazing things. I’m on a fixed income, but I have become a patron at the level that I can afford.
I have a friend whose father is neck deep in Graham Hancock BS and keeps feeding it to her. She approached me (a history student) for an alternate perspective. Do you have any tips as to how I might get through to her? The father is probably a lost cause, but she is clearly somewhat sceptical.
My strategy is basically to tackle the claims individually, rather than focusing on the person saying them.
Have you a better explanation? Or would you working from a conclusion backwards? Interested to know. Thanks for the warning either ways.
But the surveys are ongoing and a better case is being built progressively.
I'm now one of your subscriber ❤️🔥
What a quality content 🙏
Thank you!
Unsubscribe this channel. This is a biased channel. Only spread propaganda to prove Westerners Superior.
Even if the text written in 3rd century BCE speaks about energy weapons, missile like weapons, attack from air etc still it is 2300 years before and very impressive
How and in what way is it “impressive”? That someone had fantasized them? I am sure you know there are uneducated and pseudo intellectual people in India today that claim ancient Indians flew in aircraft and had advanced super technology. So in what sense then would it be impressive?
@@StopFear the fact that they fantasised itself is impressive. Can you imagine a colour that you seen?
This channel is a great service to reality.
Thank you!
2022 archeologists finds whole ancient city dwarka under water 🕉
I enjoyed this video. I rarely see anything on the history of India.
At least one of the “artifacts” from Khambhat looks like a sea cucumber fossil. That would be considerably older than their target date, I think.
Indian history is one of the hardest ones to find good information about. Everything is so tinted with religious and political ideologies.
Isn't that also found in western civilisation Islamic civilisation and Chinese
@@wilfthebig7910as an indian i can say no
31:40 don't they look like man-made objects? I feel like they are man-made. Can I know why u think they are not?
Do you think it's just a normal stone sir? But I feel like normal doesn't look like that. Let me know you opinion sir.
Good one Dr David😊well researched...thanks for all the clips,visuals and important details you utilize like the red laquered pottery for timeline and human habtation. Im not sure what blew Davarka out of the water but,you have made some very compelling stance here💯❤😊
As an Indian, I appreciate your work sir. This video is excellent 👌. Majority Indians are basically unaware of our history. They believe in mythical flying monkeys, vedic planes and radars. They take puranas and itihasas ( Ramayana and Mahabharata ) as factual historical events rather than fiction. Especially in our current political situation, I hope you are aware of rising hindu nationalism. Your videos on Indian history and archeology will be very useful and productive.
sigh... so it come to this stage?
tbh I like both epic not as history but as maybe philosophy... the debate on it what is "rightful, truth, duty" and such stuff imo more valuable than where or when it happens. The story about Karna is interesting, like a commentary how human judged by their parents or lineage rather than their true ability, strength or wisdom. Still I agree the historical side is interesting to discover.
And guess what you haven't read any of it🥱 and talking about Hindu nationalism.
@@Shup_bowl_ Read or not read, the stories in mahabharata and ramayana are all mythical not historical.
@@Shup_bowl_ wtf are you talking about? He showed us wise observation, and you just speculate some bs about him
But the puranas say that it is factual. I am reading it.
There is a video on discovery of Ram Setu. If Ramayan is fiction then who aligned those boulders connecting India and Lanka??
The only problem is that these events happened thousands of years ago, there has been cataclysmic earth changes, it's difficult to prove with archeological evidence that these things are as correct as written in our holy books.
This reminds me of what Dr. Brian Weiss said, that he was so Academic that he didn't believe in Reincarnation. See how he changed and even believe soul mates reunite in next lives, just like we watch hindi movie love stories, saat janm ka saath.
Humble request to throw an light on sunken oldest city near poompukar , tamilnadu in south india😊😊😊.
Ummm....the date of Mahabharata is really a debate...
Tradition holds it around 3100BCE, like, The Aihole inscription of Pulikeshi II, dated to Saka 556 = 634 CE, claims that 3735 years have elapsed since the Bharata battle, putting the date of Mahābhārata war at 3137 BCE.
Although present day historians and archaeologists prefer a late date, Ranging from 1900-900BCE.
There are some historical kings in Mahabharata whose historisity was already proved like Parikshit, Janmajeya, etc
Puranic literature presents genealogical lists associated with the Mahābhārata narrative. there is the direct statement that there were 1015 (or 1050) or 1500 years between the birth of Parikshit (Arjuna's grandson) and the accession of Mahapadma Nanda (400-329 BCE).
Archaeological findings that are candidate for Mahabharata are PGW, OCP etc cultures.
recent excavation shows Charriots in Sinauli 1800-1900BC, the archaeolists BK Manjul also connects the Mahabharata with OCP culture (~2500 BC-2000 BC), and now even PGW which earlier thought 1500BCE old, now shows goes back to 2300BCE or earlier.
So, nothing can be sure about the date, let's see what new discoveries shows..
by the way nice video 👍👍
Amazing as always!!
So do u think that Dwarka might be a under sea “knowledge mine “ to understand our past ? Great video
There might be some fascinating artifacts to find, but I don't think we should hold out a lot of hope that there will be something like a library.
@@WorldofAntiquity well I’d hope , archaeologists and historians of tomorrow take interest and uncover whatever is present down there
@@WorldofAntiquity even if there existed a library , it would’ve been destroyed by the activity of the oceans
@@WorldofAntiquity indians stored their knowledge in temple carvings so if we find a single temple underwear then we hit a jackpot
@@WorldofAntiquity According to you, was Krishna real or just a legendary figure?
Thank you, thank you, for the clarity!
You must make a video on Hampi. It has musical instrument made out of stone pillars .( musical pillars of Hampi)
We r looking forward eagerly n confidently for more information of Dwarka in the days to come!!
Looking at the artifacts from the Khambat "excavation," the one does look similar to ritual phalluses I've seen from Israeli archaeology, so I wouldn't dismiss that as made by human beings. But even then, as you rightly point out, there is no evidence for how old that is or how it got to the site, so it could very well be much more recent and just lost in a shipwreck, or over the side of a ship, or something else could have lead to be being there. But most of it looks like rocks you'd expect to find underwater.
I was sort of an armature paleontologist (got in the news paper for it, and traveled to gravel pits), those are fossilized sponges or corral, you'd be amazed at the strange shapes that life has taken over the half a billion years of evolution. The sponges often have holes through them to increase waterflow, as they're filter feeders.
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Energy weapons??? The reviewed vídeo was so delusional it isn't even fun to take them down.
If you look at the demographics of this area this is totally relatable to the story of Krishna ..as shri skrishna is believed to have the king of the ahirs the caste which is till today are the clan of cow herders and the people of same caste with similar language live in Mathura and Kutch as well .. and both areas have very good quality milk producing cows ..and what's more interesting is that both areas have similar traditional dress
All the main reason is. It was curse to krishna given by ghandari that krishna people and his kingdom has to be soaked in ocean 🌊. Because lord krishna is the main reason of dieing ghandari 101 son's in batlle and wining kurushetra in mahabaratha. History was never wrong about indian gods jai lord krishna.
To all religious people here : i wish Hogwarts was true as well
Binge watching your channel... Great videos.
There is a quote from Hancock somewhere (EDIT: See below)) in which he claims to be like a lawyer trying to convince a jury of his case, which really says everything about his attitude. He starts with his assumption ('guilty') and compiles all the evidence available to make that case. It makes for ripping yarns, many of which I devoured with relish as a teen, but really terrible scholarship. Although he reached the masses at first through double-page spreads in The Daily Mail, he came into his own in the era of RUclips.
Thanks for your efforts in trying to defeat the algorithm and human nature itself in pushing back against his seductive tales.
Edit: Here is Hancock's claim that he is defending his 'client' (a lost civilisation):
'A parallel for what I do is to be found in the work
of an attorney defending a client in a court of law.
My ‘client’ is a lost civilisation and it is my
responsibility to persuade the jury- the public-
that this civilisation did exist.'
www.graham
hancock.com/features/trenches-p3.htm
What a goober.
He is a hero.
He pretty much gives his game away there. Science doesn't seek to persuade; it seeks to test. He's not interested in science unless it can coincidentally be used to persuade.