Tesla Model 3SR+ efficiency v Vauxhall Corsa-e 370 miles in a day (cannot be done says Guy Martin🤔)
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- Опубликовано: 28 май 2024
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I need to deliver a Tesla Model 3 185 miles away. To run in convoy I’m going to use just a simple Vauxhall Corsa-E electric.
Apparently (says Guy Martin) electric cars are only good for 50 miles a day. Here I need to do nearly 400 and I’m not even going to use a Tesla S or 3 long Range, not my Porsche Taycan, or an Audi E-tron GT… let’s use one of the cheapest new electric cars… the Vauxhall Corsa Electric!
Can it really be ok for such a long distance? Is it hard to charge? Does it take ages? Is an electric car cost effective and convenient?
Is it as efficient as a Tesla Model 3?
Here you are about to find out.
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big thumbs up for the final speach!
THANK YOU for saying what needed to be said regarding Guy Martin's disappointing comments at the end of his TV program from a few days ago. Well done! Keep up the great videos!
But what about the people who don't want to stop every couple hours for a hour to charge?.
@@Robert-cu9bm You must be thinking of EVs with a range of around 150 miles. Tesla have vehicles right now with real world ranges over 300 miles. Model S Raven is close to 400 miles. That's close to 4 hours without stopping. Most people need a bio-break before that. Most Tesla vehicles, including all Model 3 I believe, can peak charge at 250kW. Tesla are growing their supercharger network world wide, and it is BAR NONE the easiest way to charge as one simply plugs in and that's it - you are charging. "couple of hours" is no longer the norm for general EVs and its nowhere near the modern capability.
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The model s is 100k! People are buying vehicles around 20k.
So now what, stop every couple hours or less?
What happens if you don't want a Tesla, or should Tesla be a monopoly.
@@Robert-cu9bm You won't find an EV with decent range for £20k, but the EV Database has several good choices around the £32k mark (Skoda, Kia, Hyundai etc). I can't afford a Tesla Model S either. Remember the total cost of ownership for EVs is less than ICE, as long as you can afford an up-front purchase. CarWow and their ilk will find you deals. If you live in Scotland, you could be eligible for an INTEREST FREE LOAN from the Scottish Government for up to £35k to purchase a new EV. Lots of options. But yeah, a "decent range" EV starts at £32k. Best choice, Tesla Model 3 Long Range.
@@Robert-cu9bm OK, so it's not set in law, but Rule 91 of the UK Highway Code states "A minimum break of at least 15 minutes after every 2 hours of driving is recommended"
The average journey speed in the UK was last recorded (in 2016) as being just 59.5mph (down from 60.6mph the year before) - you could imagine, with ever increasing volumes of cars and lorries on UK roads, that this figure would now be even lower 5 years later on to present day.
So, 2 or even 3 hours' driving would only be about 120-180 miles distance covered - well within the capability of the vast majority of EVs.
I mean, even the sub£20k Skoda CityGo IV, when it was on sale, was able to do over 150 miles 'real world' range, whilst today's deals on a Renault Zoe bring that 208 mile 'real world' range car down to sub£25k or sub£200 pm on finance - that's a car with climate control, sat nav, auto gearbox, adaptive cruise, LED headlights etc So, absolutely not a bobby-basic, tin box spec.
And, as others have said, the running costs for EVs are significantly less - to do 370 miles in an ICE car for £25, at about £6 per gallon, you'd have to be getting nearly 90mpg...! Then, there's £0 road tax and servicing at around 60% the cost of an ICE car.
For those lucky enough to be able to charge overnight at home, you could be paying just 5p per kWh - to do 100 miles in my 5 year old, £9k Nissan Leaf costs me about £1.25, about 1/10 of what it costs in my wife's 50mpg super-mini.
I appreciate that there are still many, MANY sceptical people out there, who, understandably in a lot of cases, don't like the thought of change - especially, where changes are being forced on them by the Government - but, transportation accounts for around 21% of global emissions so every old ICE car / bus / lorry / train / plane (?) that can be swapped to a zero-emission version is surely an aim worth working towards. :-)
Your P.S. comment is the best part of this video! Keep up the good work!
I was going to say the same!
Also the same sentiment.. and spot on
Absolutely loved the rant at the end
The Corsa-e is the first of future cheaper EVs - got one as my first car in the UK and I think given the size of the country and the road types it's an excellent car.
CORSA e 👍
One of my favourite Symons blogs - albeit mainly because of the (entirely justifiable) Guy Martin inspired rant at the end. But didn’t the little Corsa do well? Really impressed. Demonstrating yet again the very practicable driving and charging routine used to cover long distances in cars with around 150 miles range. Thanks again for another really good piece of EV reportage.
I didn't hear a rant, just a sensible, calm, response.
Once again, spot on. I love these comparison vids to the model 3. Great rant at the end - said basically what we all are thinking. Thanks RS, fantastic content.
For a real time comparison you can be counted on to deliver the true stats. As always you have captured the essence of what it takes to give a brilliant honest to goodness review.
Can always count on "RSEV" to be given the facts that we can rely on.
Totally justified rant at the end. 👍
I have the exact same Corsa. In summer, warmer weather, I get 4 miles/kW on the motorway doing 65 to 70 mph which seams to be the sweet spot for me. On ordinary roads 4.1 miles. I have seen a 99kW charging rate once when I used an IONITY charger and the ambient temperature was in the 30’s. Loving driving electric.
Das ist wirklich sehr uneffizient schade
Some people’s minds refuse to be changed. They harp on about needing 500 miles range. I’ve got family members like that who won’t hear anything. Other reasons is that the national grid can’t cope. Yet I saw an interview on top gear with the chief of the national grid who said it can cope and owns a Tesla himself! Personally, I love the idea of electric. I’m just not in a position to be able to get one yet but I bang the drum to whoever will listen (and those who won’t!) By the way, love your videos a lot. I was an electric fan anyway. You spend so much time showing just how usable they are that I’ve just become more of a fan. Keep up the vids and flying the flag for electric. Between watching you and Bjorn, an interest in electric cars for me has grown and watch nearly all the videos you guys post! (Mat Watson does some good ones too!). Thanks for all your material and education that will come in handy one day for us as a family.
The national grid interview. Was it Top Gear, or Fully Charged?
I think this all originated in about 2017 when the Daily Fail misquoted a National Grid report, prompting a sharp written rebuttal from the report authors.
Robert Llewellyn had referenced this many times.
The next time they give you grief, show them this.
(A later version of the same report)
www.nationalgrid.com/stories/journey-to-net-zero-stories/can-grid-cope-extra-demand-electric-cars
PS.
The grid report has even quoted Roberts now famous "miles per bladder" range metric!
I just love... love... love these back-to-back, real-world driving comparisons, Rich...!
And, this one still goes to show just how dominant-a-force the Tesla Model 3 is when it comes to efficiency and range - for a 100kg heavier, BMW 3 Series-sized car to 'beat' a lighter-weight supermini for efficiency is really quite remarkable.
Great work, as always... :-)
I don't know how I missed this when it was released. Fantastic to show that even a humble Corsa e is a viable car for the vast majority of the needs of ordinary people with their everyday lives.
Thanks for this. 👍
CORSA e 👍
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As far as I could see, they planned a 1.5 hour show on the fastest car segment, but it was so quick and easy, they were left with 40-45 mins to fill. So it was filled with disjointed snippets, some positive some negative, with no real thread between them. And then after driving 1200 miles to John o groats and back in a day, declared that EVs were only good for going 50 miles and back. All remarkably odd. A show that needs a full reedit down to 30 mins I think
Bang on! It was an exercise in selling advertising. Fook the educational opportunity
Yeah, usually like Guy Martin's stuff and was looking forward to it, but that was 1.5 hrs of my life wasted for sure.
Love your mind set. Keep up the good work 🙏
Yes I saw that program wondering what he was getting wrong with his charging when everyone else gets it right. As for the 50 miles a day comment. Well he is a petrolhead diehard and needs further educating.
RS Keep up the good work and thank you.
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Thanks for helpin matt
Loved the rant at the end. Thanks for the comparison keep it up.
Thanks, always love your videos, driving in real world conditions.
I have just returned from a trip to Southampton from Lincoln area. Almost 400 mile round trip in my Kia E Niro 4+. Mostly 70MPH on the way down and averaged 3.7 miles/kWh at end of trip there, with about 42 miles range left. Picked up a free 7kWh charger in a carpark and it fully charged me back to 100%. Return journey was busier and involved lots of re routes around the motorway snarl ups. I arrived home with 94 miles of range left and averaged 4.4 miles/kWh. My theoretical range was higher than the one claimed by Kia, being at 282 miles!!
Long journeys are easy in an EV with a little thought about where and when to charge. Another great video!
Great video guys - keep up the great work
Another great video! Thanks guys
Great video ,very informative look forward to further videos.Nice style.
Completely agree with your rant. I sell EV's as a hobby and recently took the family (2 adults + 2 young kids) on holiday in a Leaf I had in stock (62kW). We actually had no charging at our accommodation during the first week. Managed just under 1000 miles over the holiday with literally no range anxiety or other issue whatsoever. I will say the UK is going to need far more rapid chargers at Supermarkets etc for those without home charging or roadside chargers, in the future, but it will happen (and many trials currently ongoing to develop these).
Great video and interesting to see what is available on the market EV wise. Think I'd rather take that lovely etron GT of yours hiding in the background though ;) Keep up the great work!
I completely agree with the comments at the end Richard! People will see sense, just keep doing what you’re doing!
Really enjoy these videos. 👍
Thumbs up for the speach 👍 U got one more subscriber!
Thanks for another great video. Yer ev are very easy to do road trips we did 1250 miles in a week to Scotland at the end of July and on relaxing holiday.! And this month done 1360 miles so far ! And 15000 + miles in last 14 months with lockdowns in a Zoe ze50 as been great experience!
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Great video as always Richard, we have been driving various elec cars on leases and through ONTO for a couple years now and currently have the sister car to this the Peugeot e208 and also a Tesla M3LR just got rid of our last diesel a few weeks back - both great car and both more than capable for road trips - particularly liked your rant at the end 😂
Great speech at the end of the video! Here in the Czech Republic there are also many influencers who hate electric cars without in-depth knowledge about them, maybe it's a national sport :-) :-)
Done this myself 2 times this summer back and forth e.g. 2 times 310 miles. Two stops is what I needed for one way, 310 miles, and so did my car, a e-208 with 4 people and luggage and one time it was pouring rain even, but no problem! 👍🏻 The new software update also helps because it will even more shorten the charging time.
Even my ancient 30kwh LEAF will do 100 miles a day in any conditions. Admittedly Chademo charging availability is it's weak point but I charge from home 99% of the time.
It's apparent, in 2024, that we're fast approaching a point where useable 250 mile (250 + 25 buffer) ranges will become standard. That's literally all I need. The LFP battery in the Model 3 means I can plug in at home and wake up every morning to >200 miles in the tank. What's not to love about that?
Very useful. Just ordered a Corsa. Really looking forward to delivery now.
Thanks for lending Matt the cars❤️
Thanks for lending Matt the CARS!
Interesting comparison
I did 300 miles in a 34Kw/h E-Up the other day..no issues at all! There is definitely a lot of ignorance about EV'S but I think manufacturers should communicate more about the recycling process of batteries. In the next videos, would you mind also talking about the consumption and range in Kw/100 kms (for all your RUclips fans that live the other side of the pond 😂). Cheers..
@@PerformanceY pretty easy I'm sure..
Hi. I'm working yesterday way through your useful videos. One very useful thing to cover would be insurance costs. I'm interested in the model 3 and the insurance group is right up at the very high end. I guess that's due to the performance level. A bit of coverage of this important aspect would not go amiss. Incidentally I used to live neat where you are based. Cheers BobUK
Thanks for doing this video and actually mentioning the cost of charging. Most people focus on the range and time to change, the cost is the most important to me. My commute is 50 miles per day, so range isn’t that important. But if it cost me £15 per day to charge that’s a different problem. So your summary of the cost was ideal, thanks
Just gone from a 9 year old Nissan Leaf to a 2 year old Vauxhall Mokka-e getting 3.7 miles per kWh no probs and loving it
Excellent and positive comment, i love my Corsa-e too! 😀👍
Well done Richard. I'm driving my M3LR to Bordeaux area in France from England in a month or so with bike rack and 2 e-bikes on the back. Will be interesting to see how that affects range, but being Tesla there'll be no range (or should that be charger) anxiety.
Let us know how the trip was… have fun
@@maxflight777 It was great. Reduced range with bikes on the back but only 10% or so. No problems with Superchargers. Used granny lead a couple of times and charging in France on granny lead even slower than UK due to 220v supply I presume.
Great to see a real world driving review to compare to the Tesla. Great video
Thank you for the great comparison video Richard!
About Guy Martin, I think especially in the UK there are many ignorant people about EV’s. Legacy automakers to blame for this as many of them were brainwashing their customers and delaying or purposefully not developing their EV’s.
I also thank you for refurbishing my wheels and door trim and fixing my door handle on my Model S.😊👌
Great video and totally agree with your rant
Great video, couldn't agree more. Had my e208 (Same as Corsa) for a mth and covered over 2K miles. Just back from Norfolk, 500 mile round trip with free charging & referrals total cost £10. I'd add we had 100M to get Home charged for 20 mins to 160M range & Arr with 18m left. Always over estimate the milage you need, but if you stop every 2 hrs & charge you'll have no issues with range
I have an E-golf, it is supposed to have 144 miles range which drops to 100 in the middle of winter. But on one journey going into London I actually managed 180 miles with 5 miles left.
I missed the guy Martin program, but now I'm not too upset.
Did find having to charge up while going to get something to eat more convenient than eating & then filling up with diesel & big bonus no smell of diesel on your hands!!
LOL at 14:43 looks as if you could recline just a little bit more and nod off. Nice comparison / vid. How can we make Guy martin watch this ?
Well said Richard, couldn't agree more with you about Guy Martin, like you I enjoyed his programme until that unsubstantiated and downright incorrect summary.
Grinds your gears. It rubbed my rhubarb up the wrong way.
Thank you for doing this video mate.
Already thrown it out there at the Yorkshire EV club 👍🔌🔌
It boiled my piss 😜
Just a year later and you can now get a 70 reg Vauxhall Corsa e like this one from as little as £12k!
People in the media should take more responsibility for how they influence the general public. Guy Martin spent most of his time driving a car built to beat the quarter mile which probably had a 50 mile range driven hard and a 10 hour charge time. What he should have done, if he was to comment on production electric cars, is to research charging, vehicle ranges and become familiar with a production ev. The trip in the Ioniq 5 was doomed to failure due to his unfamiliarity with modern electric cars and I think the program was geared to make evs look bad.
Thanks Richard! A great real world video. Another Guy Martin video bit that was just silly was the Ionity segment- he was driving an Ioniq 5 that comes with a complimentary Ionity Premium subscription (12 or 24 mths) that brings the price down to 25p. Uneducated, prejudiced FUD…
What a perfect video for me as I would get the Model 3 SR+ for my next car as going EV next but its a bit big and a bit expensive for me so I'm looking at the e-208 and since it's basically the same car as the Corsa e but better looking it was great to see while it can't match a Model 3 it can at least stack up well with it but being quite a bit cheaper and for me perfectly sized 😁
Also great speech at the end!
First 4 words of this video title should be "PROVING GUY MARTIN WRONG"
👍 for 11:23. Dublin ring motorway - right there with you. Tesla AP FTW! ;)
I really wish electricity would be that cheap in germany...
The prices here are almost piracy.. 39ct/kWh (public AC) / 49ct/kWh (public DC) and 40ct / kWh (Supercharger)
Good video overall and great statement at the end!
How about repeating Guy Martins journey in a Tesla to show the other end of the scale? I recon you could do it 6 hours faster than he did it in an M3 LR. or even make it a group test of various EV's
Didn't Martin use an Ioniq 5? 🤔
@FFVoyager yes I meant you could do it 6 hours faster in an M3 LR than he did it in an ioniq5. Mainly due to the better charging available via the superchargers.
and by not being an idiot
I twittered Hyundai with the offer to do it properly
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But not everyone will own a Tesla.
The Corsa-E can do one peddle driving too, you need to pull the gear shifter again to change it from "D" to "B" mode.
I've got it but it lacks the proper "one pedal" system, the regen system is not that strong. I live the car though.
You should take an Ë-C4 for the comparaison! Car's shape is really important for efficiency, and it is for that Ë-C4 have more range with the same power train...
Nicely done with the dig at Guy Martin, whoever he is , great review, my money is going on Tesla , Thanks enjoy your Honesty
Just bought corsa e, First 300 mile trip great, only problem not enough working chargers. Also not enough at each service station. I was lucky in being able to get straight on working one each time but there always seemed to be a queue before I finished charging & one time a stroppy woman pushed the emergency stop button while I was sat in the car . When I confronted her she said she done it because she wanted to charge her car. If I had been away from the car she could have got away with it.
Fantastic review as always.. I’m glad I’m not alone with thoughts that our U.K. roads are a joke. Our roads are a constant building site.
Thanks for the end of video rant. My sentiments entirely.
Great video, awesome to see the excellent Corsa against the benchmark Model 3, the Corsa looks like really good value, and we need affordable EVs - I think around 50kWh hatchbacks are going to be where the EV transition really picks up speed in the UK and Europe.
Your rant at the end is spot on, I see so many high profile motoring journalists finally doing their job and only just starting to cover and drive EVs, the Guardian's John O Groats article from Sam Wollaston was also annoying, it's written from a 'first time ever' perspective - I get that EVs can be confusing for the first week, or the first long trip, but that's it, one week of adjusting, and you are good to go, the range anxiety goes away, and the savings begin!
Vauxhall Corsa e 👍
Looking forward to buying my car from ye 👍👏🏻
Quite a few companies insist that drivers stop for a break every 2 hours anyway. As I get older I need to stop this frequently anyway. So I. Not sure I’ll ever have range issues in a modern ev. Old bladders will save the day.😊
The more I watch the more I like. Fair play, screw guy.... Pick up my Tesla tomorrow 👏👍
I agree totally, I have ordered a Tesla 3, I had one on test for a week and I really looked forwards to Guys programme but I totally disagree with his findings… by the way I do 25k a year, not just the shop run..
Great video blog for the real world range with a real world car (for those that can’t afford a Tesla or use the Tesla network)
Do you like my new Reg. plate? Lol
Your episode are getting better and better. Really informative. You can tell how passionate you are about EV's😀
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Do like the corsa. Smart ev. Did you find a lot of road noise from front tyres on it ? I had a loan car petrol version corsa and the tyre noise on that was really loud. Vast improvement on vauxhall quality tho. Great vlog.
Not particularly high noise from tyres no…. Pretty refined all round
rofl, loving the intro of the memes - keep going!
Good to meet you at Rugby while you were making this video, Richard.
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Thank you for the wh/km (or kwh/100km) easier for metric users to compare :)
Had our corsa e for 5 months now. Did Manchester > Bristol and only charged for 15 minutes at Gloucester services as I needed the toilet. In 15c weather, 65mph motorway, 160 miles is easily doable. I'd happily do 400 miles in a day in it.
We were sent here by Mat from Carwow for some encouragement
The Vauxhall / Opel is a very nice car. The Vauxhall loves the town, narrow roads and do not fear the highway.
Thanks for lending matt the cars
Nice to see you call out Guy Martin. You are so right about the number of people who will believe everything he says.
Very irresponsible broadcasting.
Great content and totally agree with your comments on EV adoption… on the back of your films I’ve ordered two EVs one Fiat 500e and a model 3.
Totally agree with what you say about EV’s. I own a Corsa e elite nav 20 plate so your video was very interesting. Your range at 70 mph is spot on. You can get the best range with the cruise control on but the difference is only slight. Whilst on holiday in Scotland recently I was getting 5 miles/kW pottering about on narrow country lanes and B roads with a 20 speed limit in every village. Normal mode on regen on and hvac set to 19. Overall average for trip 4.5 m/kW. Chorley Lancs to Kelso and back.
My one gripe with the car is the battery level indicator which includes the reserved capacity in its range. That is the last 7 or 8 %. Basically you have to rely on the GOM as you can’t get to zero on the gauge.
I am looking to change the car when my PCP ends next year. Technology has moved on. We now have better Sat Navs, battery pre heating, bigger batteries, more efficiency and more choice. Great video.
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I must be doing something wrong because I only get 120 miles or so in the Corsa-e at the national speed limit. The 12-miles/11% remaining supports my real world experience with this car.
I take it you are on quicker roads because 45 kWh usable and 3 miles per kWh gets 135 miles, so maybe 120 for safe getting to chargers. Winter roads like the A90 Dundee to Aberdeen and lucky to get 100 miles with 2 in the car and heating low. 90 miles and you can be touching cloth.
Agree it's really annoying regarding miss information. Seems to be a lot of it going around.
It be great when your doing your comparison videos to show the costs of charging for each car. I was really surprised recently at how expensive ionity are compaired to a supercharger.
Ionity is basically there for Taycans and Audi GT’s. It is cheap if have a Porsche/audi card (30p) but otherwise yes it’s £.069. What that does is stop them being clogged up and keeps them available.
I suspect if Tesla open their superchargers it will be expensive. But at least they’re there if needed.
Well it's pretty clear that just a little bit over 50% of UK voters are very easy to influence with miss information. *waves from inside the EU. ;)
I recently got the Corsa and so far I am impressed. At this price point it is perfect- the range is more than decent and the car is well built. It is pointless to compare a supermini ev with tesla, since the tesla is a lot more expensive. Also, at least in Eastern Europe, Tesla has almost non existent service. If something breaks down, you are basically left with no choice but to use an independent mechanic.
£25 to charge for those miles seems to good to be true... Good video
Yes the difference is the air resistance, Corsa has Cd 0,29 Tesla 3 0,23, that's a huge difference, as long as you drive under 60, Corsa is good because it has low weight...
(Corsa has longer range than the Peugeot e208 because it has a Cd of 0.30 and a slightly higher weight.)
The slower you drive, the more important is the weight, and less important the air resistance...
Wonder if there is any difference in efficiency if both drive at 45 instead of 70?
Then, owners have noted that the Corsa is overly cautious... it usually has more range left than it says, several have said they can continue driving after it says the battery is completely empty.
Apparently, they want to avoid someone being left standing by having a large margin on the stated range and always giving a lower figure than it actually is - this caution can also affect the figures you get for efficiency and range.
Surely Tesla states the real figure without a margin, after driving for a while?
The 5 dislikes are all fans of Guy Martin :P, how could you else dislike this good and informative video >.>
Great real world video, but can we please have hands on the wheel and no hand held radios?
What we need are cheap, efficient EVs for students and young people to buy with 100 mile range. £3-5k. LFP batteries that don't care about being charged to 100%
Great video, a great test.
But didn’t you use regenerative brakes when doing the ‘regen’ race in the Vauxhall? If so, how is it less efficient than the Tesla when slowing? (of course, Tesla need to use one-pedal driving as they use mechanical brakes, but that’s Tesla for you 🤣)
They both have and we used regen, but the Tesla has a stronger effect.
The Tesla IS one pedal driving, slows to stop, holds car, pull away without touching brakes.
You'd think someone as keen on speed as Guy Martin would absolutely love EVs, particularly Teslas. Even the cheapest Model 3 can do 0-60 in 5.5s if you need it to, and it has a decent real-world range.
Im sure if we put him in one he would. Can we confirm he has ever driven one?
Guy Martin does actually run an EV so he’s hardly uneducated. He’s got a point (as most motoring journalists allude to) that the infrastructure isn’t (yet) good enough, but for the most part I agree that if you can charge at home or work, this shouldn’t be a barrier to accepting an electric car without issue.
6% battery charge remaining when you get to the charger? What a luxuriously high number! I'm doing my longer commute in a 24 kilowatt hour 2015 Nissan leaf and 6% sounds like a welcome high number. Lucky. Once an owner gets familiar with their vehicle, 6% is actually an ideal number to arrive at a charging station with -much faster charging at a low state of charge.
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