The more of a good sport you are the less anxiety you will have. Why be worried about what other people are doing? Focus on yourself. Smart and happy man he is
10 seconds or not, when your opponent declares that the ball was definitely moving and deliberately waited to take his shot shows that the birdie should've counted. Props to Kuch for being a true sportsman.
Kuch is definitely a sportsman, but also this is stroke play, it's not really just him against Kim. Usually people are pretty friendly to each other during stroke play.
@@jaimeramirez2412 Bro it was 0.5% lol, I checked it earlier when I seen all these crazy comments about what a 'gentleman' Matt Kuchar is haha. Low balling racist scumbag more like.
Let’s be clear...I’m not advocating or making a character call as a whole about Matt Kuchar or anyone for that matter...I don’t know him personally...my comment was in reference to his actions on the golf course in this clip...that’s it!...and what he did in the moment was commendable in my eyes.
But imagine a ball lands on a bush and the wind is moving it, then you also have to hit a moving ball. Or it lands on a big leave and it's moving a bit on a windy day
@@CARPital The ball lands on a moving golf cart 😅 Jk. I think that's the point of the video. It was a very strange and rare situation, and I'm not sure they had a really objective way to rule it in the rulebook. They did their best, but it seems funny that it didn't count.
Exactly. Also, let’s say you got your balk off the tee into the green on a par 3. Ball is sitting there for well over a few minutes, and then say a gust of wind came and moved you ball. Well you have to play it where the gust of wind moved it. Why? Grey area
@@JacesOwnWorld yeah whenever a rule says "reasonable" it's completely to the officials discretion and it shouldn't be, the rule should be set in stone one way or the other
No grey area here. After 10 seconds, it doesn't matter if the ball is still moving (even if it is). You can hit the moving ball without penalty after the 10 seconds because at the 10 second mark it is considered "not holed".
Not a grey area but here's the problem. They implement this rule here to save what 15-20 seconds? Costs him a shot. Yet, they let Bryson take 300+ seconds to hit an 8 foot putt but they refuse to implement the slow play rules at all. They both cost the player the same 1 shot, yet Si Woo loses his and Bryson doesn't.
you cant let the ball sit there for that long waiting for a gust of wind.. You get like 10 seconds tops.. The problem is after 10 seconds he should mark the ball. He blatantly withheld from marking the ball to wait for this to happen. Cant do that and im actually really surprised they waited that long and thought it would count as a 3.
@@patrickfullsail2011 you can't mark a moving golf ball though, correct? The group all agreed in real time the ball was still moving. This is the problem. Not only the player, but his caddy as well as another player and that player's caddy, agreed the ball was still moving. If this is the case, marking would result in a penalty, as the ball is considered to be moving. The ball, therefore, should be allowed to continue to move until it ceases to move, in this case into the cup. The amount of movement should not be considered as that is relative, some would argue for shorter times of movement to be allowed for their opponents and more time for themselves. The 10 second rule should be void in circumstances where the group agrees it is still moving, so long as it is not influenced, as the 10 second rule is to be used for a ball that is confirmed to be at rest and then moves afterwards without the player of the ball causing it to move, such as an animal, a gust of wind, or another player's ball, for example.
@@vic_0315 lol no it wasnt!!! it was moving for 30 seconds on the edge without falling in? It was still and then all it took was a fraction of a fraction of a rotation and they saw it start to tilt in. You absolutely cannot wait that long for that to happen and they 100 percent know that and thats why ultimately his score is in fact a 4 If you were right he would have been given a 3. The golf officials say ur wrong
@@raizinhell1 it went in. Maybe you've never had one that tight on the lip but that ball absolutely can be moving. That's why they have the stipulation in the rules about playing a moving ball, because it happens. The official still got it right though because of that.
It was not ignored by the official. He clearly stated the rule is modified in this situation. Even if the ball is moving, you have ten seconds to tap it in. Is it fair? No. But it is black and white.
@@bommaritohawaii so youre saying the ball went in the hole without the ball moving? No the ball was clearly moving for sure its just that after 10 seconds even if its moving it does not count is what officials saying. What your saying and what officials saying is two totally different things
@@benspeer1752 If every one is treated the same way it is fair. It was unfair for Kim and Kucher to attempt to skirt the rule to favor Kim in this case. Players should know the rules and if they don't please don't argue with officials who do.
@@radorigami yeah seriously, I dont mind waiting a minute for a ball to fall while you still have players standing over the ball and waggling for 50 seconds straight
I wish my dad was alive. I would have loved to hear his ruling on this. He was a PGA member for decades and volunteered many an hour in Professional Tourneys in the Palm Springs area. Also taught Rules and Tournaments at the Temecula Golf Academy in California years back. And he was such a stickler for rules, he had the nickname "No Drop" among his contemporaries.
If the ball is moving so little that it looks like it’s been sitting still to the average observer, then yeah you can wait ten seconds to see if it drops but after that you are gonna have to tap it in.
If the ten seconds starts after the ball stops moving, then the ten seconds never started because the ball never stopped motion until its eventual landing into the bottom of the cup. I thought Kuchar was as always a class act and a credit to the PGA.
@@tomatojuice984 A ball overhanging the cup falls due to the effects of a tiny breeze of wind. That’s why waiting helps. Please THINK before getting sarcastic.
@@sliglusamelius8578 I'm pretty sure it falls due to gravity and momentum. Something over an edge will slowly fall. This slow falling could also be called "moving". If you place an object partially over an edge it will slowly fall due to gravity or eventually settle. You could argue that the wind or the vibrations of the people walking aided in the ball falling in. However the fact that the golfer was adamant that the ball stayed in motion, means that the most plausible anwser is that the ball fell in due to gravity and the continued momentum of the ball. An object in motion wants to stay in motion
What nobody is talking about is the caddy who put his shadow over the ball. It can cause the grass to lay down and thus move the ball. Not common on the tour but anyone who has played courses like munies where the greens don't get mowed often, it will cause the ball to move and sometimes go into the cup
Call the official "I don't want to get a penalty for hitting a moving ball" Can you verify this ball is moving or not? While discussing, the ball drops.
They'd still add the stroke because in order to verify the ball is moving he'd have to reach his ball first. 10 second timer starts after arriving at your ball.
A slowly moving ball is deemed to have stopped if it has not dropped after 10 seconds, and a penalty is awarded if not hit - as it is if hit whilst obviously still moving - think Phil recently.. it's Golf. :)
@@tim40gabby25 but the ball fell in, if he marked it then he’s marking a moving ball which is obviously not allowed. These rules are ridiculous. He hit the ball and it went in.
If you closely watch the video I believe his caddy did just that in the time he was walking ti his ball. Obviously it is not an instant magic trick cause it did not work.
@@noomade Do you understand how photosynthesis works? Now, I’m not saying that the effect will always work because it depends on where the ball is located, the direction of the grass, temperature, humidity, but it can work. The fact that it works sometimes and not at others is explained by those factors. What’s your degree in? Animal husbandry?
Photosynthesis is the process of turning carbon dioxide and water into carbohydrates (sugar) and oxygen. This is the plants feeding and respiration process. The stiffness of the grass blade is due to something called *turgor pressure,* which is essentially the water pressure in the leaf blade. So, no, the very improbable insignificant change in photosynthesis would not effect the stiffness of the grass blades - I would know, my degree is in turf management. However, the shade MAY cause a change in temperature, which in turn would cause the air to move (wind)... But this is also highly unlikely to be significant.
@@MH3GL You’re correct that the degree of shade provided isn’t going to cause ‘wind’. However, you’d agree that turgor pressure does fluctuate and it fluctuates on a regular basis. Would you happen to know what these fluctuations coincide with?
@@Zerpersande water movement in plants is directly tied to water pressure in the surrounding environment (water always moves from an area of higher pressure to lower pressure until balance is achieved). So, turgor (water) pressure within the plant is directly dependent upon the amount of plant available water in the soil (and air). As water moves downward in the soil profile due to gravity, and water is lost from the soil and plant due to evaporation and transpiration, the plant will lose turgidity. After a rain event or irrigation, the water potential in the soil increases, and the turgidity should rise again as well, provided the water is available to the plant.
I'd be stomping over there "don't mind me guys, got some mud in my cleats." Start blowing in the direction of the hole "pheeeeeew guys, is it just me or is it hot out here phhheeewww."
And there goes the gentleman’s game...... if it’s a bounce game then who cares but competition play I’d call you out Rule 9.4 applies here, ball moved by a players actions
If the ball takes longer than 10 seconds to move 1mm then it’s movement is imperceptible. I mean, the earth is moving too so all balls are technically moving
You gotta love Kuch. He immediately went and put his shade on like the myth goes and at all times his intent is to have the birdie scored. Pure amateur attitude dressed up like a pro.
@@John_Wood_ That's total BS if you knew the caddy story you wouldn't say that. He paid the guy way above their agreed rate. Then gave him an extra bonus and the caddy still said FU I don't want the bonus
Weird ruling. You can't hit a moving ball. What if this was an approach from 180yds to the green? And right when the players arrive at the green themselves they see it tip in. That wait (for the ball itself) would be longer than this one. Hard to get your head around.
So they said AFTER a reasonable amount of time it takes to get to the ball. So if it’s from 180 yards you can’t expect anyone to SPRINT to the ball, can you? So after a walk, you get to the hole, you stand over the ball THEN THAT is when the “10 second” timer starts
What's funny is this is clearly aimed at pace of play. However, with recent uproar over how slow things have gotten, I find it an odd way to showcase enforcement. I'd rather see this than someone line up a putt from three angles. The only reasonable complaint a competitor could have is a high wind and green speed situation.
@@CStarkGolf ok but what if Usain Bolt is golfing and he can get to his 100yd shot in 10sec? In fact he could probably get close to when it drops if he hits it high enough.
@@Real28 you’re just being silly at this point. A reasonable amount of time means that all 4 players hit, one of the balls sat on the edge of the hole, players pick up their clubs, WALK TO THE GREEN, get onto the green. That is a reasonable amount of time. Not waiting 4 minutes after everyone hit their shot. Once they reach the green and reach their respective balls, only then does the timer start
This is madness. Come on, make an exception here. Where’s the fun! Imagine giving it to him. Maybe he will go on n shoot entertaining golf. Feel bad for Kim and Kudos to Kuchar
When does the ten seconds start? If it takes 11 seconds for a “long put” from the fringe is that a penalty? If it’s still moving then it’s moving. Not like it stopped an inch away and the wind blew it in 11 seconds later.
*Rule 13.3a* The "10 Seconds" start *AFTER* the Player who Left his Ball *OVERHANGING the Hole* can reasonably walk to the Hole from where he had played the Stroke. The Rule activates WHEN any part of the Ball is OVERHANGING the Hole, and only then. The Purpose of the Rule is to *modify Rule 10.1d,* the prohibition against Striking a "Moving Ball", by regulating the Ball to be *"AT REST"* once time expires.
The reason a rule like this is implemented is because if a ball sits there long enough, it has the possibility of moving (by perhaps a gust of wind). You can't just look at it all day because it's moving micro-fractions and eventually falls in. It's clearly not naturally rolling to go in the hole, so a time limit has to be put in place. 10 seconds might be a little too short, but overall I agree with this ruling. Pretty awesome of Kuchar to support his fellow competitor, though.
So on a hole like 15 at Augusta are you allowed to chip your ball and then run up to it and hit it before it comes to rest in order to keep the ball from rolling in the water? At what speed are we not allowed to hit a moving ball.
@@ram0666 - It's a common sense judgment call. It's obvious if a ball is still slowly rolling, even if it's like half an inch per second. A ball still slowly rolling on the 15th at Augusta is generally pretty clear, even to viewers at home. In the case of this video, the ball is obviously not "rolling", it's just sitting there and it takes Matt Kuchar bending over to look at it for 30 seconds to say he can see it "moving". At this point, a reasonable time limit should be enforced. Imagine if there wasn't a time limit and Woo Kim decided he wanted to wait 20 minutes because he sees it's "moving"... just accept you didn't make the putt and move on.
@@chili015 Its not common sense its judgement. If that was a higher profile player and the idea of moving ball being hit or not hit that determined a major. This would be up for much more debate. To much room for manipulation.
@@ram0666 this Rule has been in place since 1984. Since 2019 it is *Rule 13.3a "Ball OVERHANGING the Hole."* This Rule has the Power to deem the Ball to be "AT REST" when allowable time has expired, thus eliminating any conflict with, or discussion about, *Rule 10.1d* "NOT Striking a Moving Ball." In Kim's Situation he had a Total of 25 Seconds for the Ball to Fall In and be considered Holed Out. *It DIDN'T!* Kim was required to Tap In to Hole Out, for One More Stroke for the Hole. *He DIDN'T!* So he was Penalized One Stroke. Either way he was going to Score 4 on the Hole.
@@taitfreeman9421 Do you know how scorecards work? lol He vouched for si woo and tried to get him the birdie from the official. They call the officials over so as to not risk potentially adding strokes to their scorecards. That's pretty standard if they don't know the ruling as they didn't know what the ruling was past the "ten second rule". If you watched the entire encounter kuch and the rest of his playing party understanding of the encounter was not correct so it was a good thing they called an official. Again, he vouched for him and pleaded "I swear the ball was still moving" in an effort to get him a 3. He just played by the rules.
@@taitfreeman9421 If Kim signed the scorecard with a 3 instead of a 4, at BEST hed get a two shot penalty, at worst be DQed. Its a very good reason they called the official to make sure what to sign for...
@@deervein I don't think so...I've watched big name pros walk up to the ball, mark the ball, act like their going to pull the marker, take 3 practice stokes, pull the marker while crouching down and observing their line, stand up take a couple more practice strokes, get into position for several seconds and finally hit the putt...all while burning up 2 minutes. If the USGA wants to be this precise with a gray area rule then they should start a running clock with every shot.
@@jlm7060 the point you are missing in your "argument" is you are describing Players preparing to play *their NEXT Stroke* since their *LAST Stroke* is long finished. Here, Kim was waiting for his *LAST Stroke to Finish.* And he waited Long After *Rule 13.3a* told him his Stroke was Finished and his Ball was *AT REST* and he had to proceed with his Tap In.
@@deervein I've read a couple of your Replies and you are Inaccurate in Multiple ways. The video is about *Rule 13.3a* "a Ball that OVERHANGS a Hole" and does three things. 1) sets a time limit for the Ball to Fall In to Hole Out on the previous Stroke. 2) Determines WHEN the Ball is *finally AT REST,* which MODIFIES Rule 10.1d, eliminating the "Striking a moving ball" argument. 3) determines When the Last Stroke is Complete, and another Stroke is needed to Hole Out. 4) Assesses a One Stroke Penalty if the Ball Holes Out AFTER Time has expired and the Player has NOT Tapped In yet. As for having your Ball ON the Green, once a Ball has been Marked, any further Movement - except from an Intentional Stroke - *requires the Ball to be replaced in its Original Position* with NO Penalty assessed. The same is in effect for any following Putts needed to Hole Out.
Surely if the ball is still moving he can't touch it. If the ball is anywhere else on the green and is still moving on a slope then you would be penalised if you hit it or picked it up. The birdie should have stood.
Once the Ball OVERHANGS the Hole, Rule 13.3a activates and Rule 10.1d is NO LONGER in effect. This is the "Modification" the Rules Official referred to. Rule 13.3a has the Power to deem the Ball to be *At Rest,* so therefore "but the Ball is still moving" becomes a moot point.
I think the difference is between a ball oscillating and a ball moving(changing location). If I am not mistaken, the rule as applied, pertains to oscillation. That ball certainly wasn't moving until the very end😎
You are allowed a reasonable amount of time to arrive at the Ball. The additional 10 Seconds only comes into it, *IF the Ball is OVERHANGING the Hole.* You would have to get fairly close to the Green to be able to see the Ball Overhanging. If the Ball falls in anytime prior to your getting close, the Ball is Holed Out. Pick it out of the Hole and head for the next Tee. Your Honor ...
The ball most likely moved due to the vibration in the ground resulting from 4 people walking very near it; there's also a possibility that the sound waves generated during their conversations very near the ball could have helped cause the ball to move; whenever a ball hangs that near the cup like that, and if the putt (or chip) is made from within 20 ft., then the golfer should have to wait 10 seconds before moving from his putting location; no one else should be allowed to advance toward the ball during the 10-second period; if the ball drops within 10 seconds, then count it as a shot made; if it doesn't drop within 10 seconds, then the golfer may advance toward the ball; if the ball drops as the golfer is advancing or while standing over the putt, then an extra stroke should be added to the score for the hole; the ball dropping would be attributed to ground vibration from the golfer's movements at the ball; if a putt or chip is made from outside of 20 ft. and the ball hangs on the cup lip, then the golfer making the shot, and anyone else in the vicinity, must wait 10 seconds before advancing closer than 20 ft. to the hole; if it drops during the 10-second wait, count it as a shot made; if it drops after 10 seconds, add a shot to the score for the hole.
I think Kuchar knew what he was doing. That's why as soon as the ball dropped he said, "you gotta get an official". I think he wanted the official over because he knew it wouldn't count, and then played it up to the official that it should count.
First of all the Ball must be *OVERHANGING the Hole.* *Rule 13.3a* The 10 Seconds Start when you reach the Ball and Hole. You are allowed a "reasonable amount of time to reach the Hole", since No One can predetermine where the Ball originally was and what that Distance might be. Once the final 10 Seconds has expired *that Stroke is now Over and Complete.* Tap in for One More Stroke. If the Ball Falls In before you make the required Tap In, you are Penalized One Stroke. Either way, it means *One More Stroke* to the Score for the Hole.
A correct decision. A physicist would say that the ball never ceases to move, which can be demonstrated depending on how minute an examination of it is carried out. I appreciate that the rules are intended to cover only a visibly moving ball, but that too is ambiguous as it can depend on one's perspective and acuity of eyesight. The effect of wind can also never be ruled out as to why a ball appears to be moving. The 10-second rule seems a good way to get over these anomalies.
Kudos to Kuchar for supporting SWK's birdie claim. I think this was a very harsh interpretation of the rules, especially as Kuchar was waiting for his opponent's ball to stop moving before playing his shot.
For anyone who knows it is the best trick for a hanging ball, especially a ball that was this close on the lip of the hole. Get your shadow on the ball and surrounding area of the cup. The lack of direct sunlight makes the blades of the grass lay or fall down which will set the hanging ball into the hole. Any ball that is vulnerable to falling in will usually fall in a 10 to 15 second period. When Kucher's caddie set the shadow on the ball I was impressed. However, he removed himself and the shadow with him. I believe if the caddie's shadow stayed on the ball that it would have fallen much sooner. The hidden secret is to get over the ball and fill in the area around the ball and hole with shadow to present as much darkness as possible which will speed up the effect. All within the rules.
@@matthewdumm4096 2 minutes would count as slow play and would probably ruin the group behind or either hurt you directly. I agree 10 seconds is a LITTLE too short but hey what can we do
You need to rethink; Kuch had agreement with sub caddy; won; paid sub caddy per the agreement; culture shamed him into paying what his REGULAR caddy would have gotten.
Rule is correct the player reached the hole and had 10 seconds to determine if the ball would drop or not.... Even if it is moving... It is a specific rule for over hangs such as this and "moving" refers to the very slow motion they observed. Basically once the player reached the hole to watch the ball he has 10 seconds to either have it drop or add a stroke whether it fell at 11 seconds or 20 seconds. Once beyond 10 seconds that putt is considered ended.
Golf rules for play slow add stroke. Add Stroke: 2= lost ball 1= slow player Putting rule: 1= standing longer than 20 seconds after putting shot. 1= Standing wait for ball move after 10 seconds.
Sometimes I think a golf ball must have a small and primitive brain. Sometimes it feels like being nice, sometimes it feels like making trouble. This one felt like being bratty.
The rule is in place to keep the game moving. You can’t just stand there holding up people playing behind you because you think the ball might still drop. So even though the ball was moving, after 10 seconds is up it is declared stationary.
FYI In stroke play, Kim is NOT Kuchar's opponent. Kim is called a playing partner. In match plays, if they are playing against each other, then one is the other's opponent. RBC is a stroke play tournament.
10 seconds after the ball comes to rest. It wasn’t at rest , it was still moving. Also he never made a stroke to putt it in for par , so thank you birdie. 😃😃
Unfortunately it is not "10 seconds after it comes to rest" but the much more nebulous "10 seconds after you arrive at your ball", otherwise you'd have a point.
@@martinallen6521 as soon as the Ball was *OVERHANGING* the Hole, *Rule 13.3a* activated. Kim had his 15 Seconds of reasonable time to reach the Hole, and then his 10 Seconds. At that point Rule 13.3a *deems the Ball to be "AT REST"* Kim's prior Stroke was then Finished and necessitated him to Tap In for One More Stroke to Hole Out. He was Penalized One Stroke because he DIDN'T Tap In. Either way, once Time Expires on an OVERHANGING Ball It's *One More Stroke*
I actually I'm pretty sure that the rules official is correct on this one. Even though you all might think it's still moving and it very well could have been just barely still moving, you still only have that reasonable amount of time, and then about 10 more seconds once you arrive to the ball before you have to tap it in. They clearly went at least 30 seconds or more. Therefore see extra show should be added
And That's *Precisely WHY* Rule 13.3a TELLS you the Ball is *AT REST* when your allowable time Expires. This is the "Modification" the Rules Official mentions near the end of the video (to Rule 10.1d)
Nice try, Chris, but no dice. As soon as the Ball was *OVERHANGING the Hole* Rule 13.3a came into effect. And in Kim's case, he had 25 Seconds Total time for the Ball to Fall. When the time is up, the Ball is *AT REST* and requires a Tap In to Finish the Hole. Even in Golf, Ignorance of the Rules is NO Defense.
3 minutes upon arrival to find a Lost Ball now. Kim took 15 Seconds to get to the Ball from when it hung on the lip which was fine, then he had 10 Seconds to wait to see if it would drop. After the 10 Seconds the Ball is Deemed at Rest and must be Holed Out. Kim waited an extra 45 Seconds and was charged for the tap in he should have stroked. At 35 Seconds into the Video, it was then always a Par, and a missed Birdie attempt.
@@woodwood1725 Zero time "to line up the Putt". When total allowable time expires, tap in for one more stroke, or be charged a Penalty Stroke for failing to Tap In.
Kuchar is advocating for his opponent. What a true show of sportsmanship
The more of a good sport you are the less anxiety you will have. Why be worried about what other people are doing? Focus on yourself. Smart and happy man he is
Or he too wants this cheese wheb possible..
Thats awfully white of him.
@Nathan Vs Everything Kuchar is a gentleman indeed…until he has to pay his caddy.
This is just golf in general. Your competitors but you aren't.
10 seconds or not, when your opponent declares that the ball was definitely moving and deliberately waited to take his shot shows that the birdie should've counted.
Props to Kuch for being a true sportsman.
Kuch is definitely a sportsman, but also this is stroke play, it's not really just him against Kim. Usually people are pretty friendly to each other during stroke play.
Its not really an opponent, if it was match play it would be different
You can't wait forever for the ball to drop. Just tap it in. Tap it in. Give it a tap tap tap taparoo.
It stopped moving. No one was close to the ball for the first ten seconds.
He is a fellow competitor not an opponent.
Shout out to Matt Kuchar here for supporting his opponent so strongly!!...stand up guy right here!!...This rule needs some work.
Hopefully he had the arma atittude when he tipped 2% of winnings to his Mexican caddie after he won a tourney
Stand up guy he says 😂😂😂😂
@@jaimeramirez2412 Bro it was 0.5% lol, I checked it earlier when I seen all these crazy comments about what a 'gentleman' Matt Kuchar is haha. Low balling racist scumbag more like.
Nothing wrong with the rule. 10 seconds is more than enough time for the ball to fall. Can't wait all day for it.
Let’s be clear...I’m not advocating or making a character call as a whole about Matt Kuchar or anyone for that matter...I don’t know him personally...my comment was in reference to his actions on the golf course in this clip...that’s it!...and what he did in the moment was commendable in my eyes.
"You can't hit a moving ball" Love it.
But imagine a ball lands on a bush and the wind is moving it, then you also have to hit a moving ball. Or it lands on a big leave and it's moving a bit on a windy day
@@CARPital The ball lands on a moving golf cart 😅 Jk. I think that's the point of the video. It was a very strange and rare situation, and I'm not sure they had a really objective way to rule it in the rulebook. They did their best, but it seems funny that it didn't count.
the wind blew it
If I ever played a round with someone who didn’t count that as good, it would be the the last round I ever played with that person.
Most people wouldn't wait that long in casual play. No money on the line, not worth fussing over it
Absolutely. Those one in a million moments are why you play and the ones you remember.
@@freshoxygen2176 if I’m with my friends I’m always waiting for that ball to drop. Their putt or mine.
@@opticalecho119 , It's Good to know those 3 things about you.
Sometimes the rules of golf are just absurd.
It's funny cause it's his opponent, Kuchar, advocating for the birdie to count.
Yeah he's a good man
I know..that’s the crazy part of this situation
Classy move by kuchar
That should be all the evidence needed.
Kuch is a good dude.
Get a penalty for hitting a moving ball or losing a stroke for waiting too long? Kind of a grey area
Exactly. Also, let’s say you got your balk off the tee into the green on a par 3. Ball is sitting there for well over a few minutes, and then say a gust of wind came and moved you ball. Well you have to play it where the gust of wind moved it. Why? Grey area
@@JacesOwnWorld yeah whenever a rule says "reasonable" it's completely to the officials discretion and it shouldn't be, the rule should be set in stone one way or the other
Nicklaus never grounded his club in this situation to avoid this issue.
No grey area here. After 10 seconds, it doesn't matter if the ball is still moving (even if it is). You can hit the moving ball without penalty after the 10 seconds because at the 10 second mark it is considered "not holed".
Not a grey area but here's the problem. They implement this rule here to save what 15-20 seconds? Costs him a shot. Yet, they let Bryson take 300+ seconds to hit an 8 foot putt but they refuse to implement the slow play rules at all. They both cost the player the same 1 shot, yet Si Woo loses his and Bryson doesn't.
This is what it feels like waiting for a reply after sending a risky text
Ha, I'm doing that right now
Depends on the definition of risky i guess
😆
Did that a few years ago. Didn’t turn out too well. Least I’m still alive I guess?
For real... that silent period between her seeing the nude and getting back to you
Props to kuchar advocating on behalf of Kim. He fought like it was his own score. Good sportsmanship there.
*The official would fit right in MLB.*
Truth
The A's win!
If you mean getting the call right based on the rules in an unusual situation then you're right
“How many times did you hit the ball?”
“3”
“Any penalty strokes?”
“No”
“Ok it’s a 4”
He was supposed to tap it in. That’s stroke four.
you cant let the ball sit there for that long waiting for a gust of wind.. You get like 10 seconds tops.. The problem is after 10 seconds he should mark the ball. He blatantly withheld from marking the ball to wait for this to happen. Cant do that and im actually really surprised they waited that long and thought it would count as a 3.
@@patrickfullsail2011 you can't mark a moving golf ball though, correct? The group all agreed in real time the ball was still moving. This is the problem. Not only the player, but his caddy as well as another player and that player's caddy, agreed the ball was still moving. If this is the case, marking would result in a penalty, as the ball is considered to be moving. The ball, therefore, should be allowed to continue to move until it ceases to move, in this case into the cup. The amount of movement should not be considered as that is relative, some would argue for shorter times of movement to be allowed for their opponents and more time for themselves. The 10 second rule should be void in circumstances where the group agrees it is still moving, so long as it is not influenced, as the 10 second rule is to be used for a ball that is confirmed to be at rest and then moves afterwards without the player of the ball causing it to move, such as an animal, a gust of wind, or another player's ball, for example.
@@patrickfullsail2011 They weren’t waiting for a gust of wind, they were waiting because the ball was moving...
@@vic_0315 lol no it wasnt!!! it was moving for 30 seconds on the edge without falling in? It was still and then all it took was a fraction of a fraction of a rotation and they saw it start to tilt in. You absolutely cannot wait that long for that to happen and they 100 percent know that and thats why ultimately his score is in fact a 4
If you were right he would have been given a 3. The golf officials say ur wrong
Huge props to Kuchar for fighting that hard for it to count
hes a snake. Just play acting
@@Ktc99999-b well, then he's one nice snake then
If the ball is moving the 10 second rule shouldn't apply. The official got this wrong.
That ball is not moving. Its the perception because the ball is sooo close to the hole
@@raizinhell1 The ball dropped in the hole without moving? Please confirm this is what happened.
@@raizinhell1 it went in. Maybe you've never had one that tight on the lip but that ball absolutely can be moving. That's why they have the stipulation in the rules about playing a moving ball, because it happens. The official still got it right though because of that.
So the time Phil hit his ball on the green when it was moving back on him after a putt. Should that count??? Ball moving also 🤨🤔
@@lkae4 lol some people
Kuchar will always be one of my favorite players to watch because of how stand up of a guy he is, always a class act🤙🏽💯
Thank you Kuchar from Korea! It is unfortunate for Kim but was a heartwarming moment.
Kuchar's point about hitting a moving ball was basically ignored by the official. Grey area that needs clearing up.
It was not ignored by the official. He clearly stated the rule is modified in this situation. Even if the ball is moving, you have ten seconds to tap it in. Is it fair? No. But it is black and white.
The ball is not moving. What is it doing going back-and-forth there’s only so many places the Ball can go. The ball was not moving
@@bommaritohawaii so youre saying the ball went in the hole without the ball moving? No the ball was clearly moving for sure its just that after 10 seconds even if its moving it does not count is what officials saying. What your saying and what officials saying is two totally different things
A moving ball is deemed to be not moving if it has not dropped after that 10 second period. Simples :)
@@benspeer1752 If every one is treated the same way it is fair. It was unfair for Kim and Kucher to attempt to skirt the rule to favor Kim in this case. Players should know the rules and if they don't please don't argue with officials who do.
They need to clean up this rule.
What's to clean up? Someone could stand there for 15 minutes waiting for it to fall in.
@@dw-nb2zh but it was clearly moving. His opponent even agreed. Adjust the rule to allow these shots to count. I have no problem with that.
@@dw-nb2zh they literally waited for 1 minute. Your exaggeration of 15 minutes is way off of what he waited.
@@dw-nb2zh 15 minutes would be waiting for a gust of wind, but like 20 seconds for your ball to stop a slow roll should be allowed
Exactly. Just put a time limit on it and be done with it.
They worry about “reasonable amount of time”, but then they have to get an official ruling.
If they can’t wait longer than 10 seconds then slow players like Bryson should get penalized for lining up his put for 2 minutes
@@radorigami yeah seriously, I dont mind waiting a minute for a ball to fall while you still have players standing over the ball and waggling for 50 seconds straight
Haha.
It's golf, a reasonable amount of time to line up a put is 20 minutes. Surprised they only allow 10 seconds for this.
@@radorigami Those things have absolutely nothing to do with each other 🤦♀️
I wish my dad was alive. I would have loved to hear his ruling on this. He was a PGA member for decades and volunteered many an hour in Professional Tourneys in the Palm Springs area. Also taught Rules and Tournaments at the Temecula Golf Academy in California years back. And he was such a stickler for rules, he had the nickname "No Drop" among his contemporaries.
May he Rest In Peace.
@@julianmoustakis8352 Thank you, Julian. He and my mom are laid to rest right next to each other in the city they retired to.
Classy move by Kuchar trying to help his opponent, very cool
I love Kuchar advocating for Kim knowing that he may not speak fluent English despite being his opponent. Shows how good of a man Kuch is.
Same guy that payed a Mexican caddy a 2% tip after a tournament win, yeah sure great guy 😒😒😒
@@jaimeramirez2412 people love being petty the second someone does 1 thing wrong
@@trainwater3440 guys a bum pal
If it was genuine
Not sure what to make of that comment, Kim speaks good english.
Didn't know this rule before, so after waiting 10 seconds I'm allowed to hit my moving golf ball. Good to know.
And you’ll get a penalty stroke. But you have to hit the ball after 10 seconds.
If the ball is moving so little that it looks like it’s been sitting still to the average observer, then yeah you can wait ten seconds to see if it drops but after that you are gonna have to tap it in.
no. ball not moving.
@@TheArfdog you don't have to. Kim didn't and got the lowest possible score
@@raizinhell1 How’d it go in?
So if it was a 100m shot, it would have counted as a birdie? The walk to the green etc the ball would have fallen in...
Tough....
Exactly.
Good point.
I might be wrong but I think the timer starts when you arrive at your ball
@@davejones86 that’s literally everyone’s point here lol
@@davejones86 Wait right there...and I'll tell you if you're wrong or not...
I was waiting for explosions courtesy of the Groundskeeper.
If the ten seconds starts after the ball stops moving, then the ten seconds never started because the ball never stopped motion until its eventual landing into the bottom of the cup. I thought Kuchar was as always a class act and a credit to the PGA.
How could the ball be moving? It’s overhanging the cup and at a standstill. Look at the video. You are no physicist that’s for sure.
@@sliglusamelius8578 well it must have been cause it fell in.
@@tomatojuice984
A ball overhanging the cup falls due to the effects of a tiny breeze of wind. That’s why waiting helps.
Please THINK before getting sarcastic.
@@sliglusamelius8578 I'm pretty sure it falls due to gravity and momentum. Something over an edge will slowly fall. This slow falling could also be called "moving". If you place an object partially over an edge it will slowly fall due to gravity or eventually settle. You could argue that the wind or the vibrations of the people walking aided in the ball falling in. However the fact that the golfer was adamant that the ball stayed in motion, means that the most plausible anwser is that the ball fell in due to gravity and the continued momentum of the ball. An object in motion wants to stay in motion
@@jhonthomas2899
Good grief believe what you want, you will anyway obviously.
Kuchar is such a gentleman and a good role model for the young pros
When she reads it and starts typing.
Wasn’t even Kuchars putt and he’s vying for Kim. Like the dude even more now.
I understand why ppl call him an OG in the game
What nobody is talking about is the caddy who put his shadow over the ball. It can cause the grass to lay down and thus move the ball. Not common on the tour but anyone who has played courses like munies where the greens don't get mowed often, it will cause the ball to move and sometimes go into the cup
There was a lot of 'movement' around the ball on the green. It looked like the Caddies were trying to shake the earth in a subtle way.
Ya cuz that's how physics works
@@sharrpshooter1 which physics principles govern that activity?
awesome to see kuch fight for the right call.
Call the official "I don't want to get a penalty for hitting a moving ball" Can you verify this ball is moving or not? While discussing, the ball drops.
They'd still add the stroke because in order to verify the ball is moving he'd have to reach his ball first. 10 second timer starts after arriving at your ball.
A slowly moving ball is deemed to have stopped if it has not dropped after 10 seconds, and a penalty is awarded if not hit - as it is if hit whilst obviously still moving - think Phil recently.. it's Golf. :)
@@tim40gabby25 but the ball fell in, if he marked it then he’s marking a moving ball which is obviously not allowed. These rules are ridiculous. He hit the ball and it went in.
@@iammars142 The lesson here is just have your opponent approach the ball to see if it’s moving and don’t go near it until it falls.
@@therealjamesmccrary I'm not so sure about that lol
Meanwhile I'm screaming "PUT YOUR SHADOW ON IT GOT DAMMIT!"
Yup. Cools the grass and it gets less perky, guiding the ball in that direction.
If you closely watch the video I believe his caddy did just that in the time he was walking ti his ball. Obviously it is not an instant magic trick cause it did not work.
You stand so your shadow is on the ball. This shuts down photosynthesis, relaxes the grass, and it falls.
@@noomade Laugh if you wish, it works. In fact, if you watch the video there was a shadow over the cup initially. I thought that someone was clued in.
@@noomade
Do you understand how photosynthesis works? Now, I’m not saying that the effect will always work because it depends on where the ball is located, the direction of the grass, temperature, humidity, but it can work. The fact that it works sometimes and not at others is explained by those factors. What’s your degree in? Animal husbandry?
Photosynthesis is the process of turning carbon dioxide and water into carbohydrates (sugar) and oxygen. This is the plants feeding and respiration process.
The stiffness of the grass blade is due to something called *turgor pressure,* which is essentially the water pressure in the leaf blade. So, no, the very improbable insignificant change in photosynthesis would not effect the stiffness of the grass blades - I would know, my degree is in turf management.
However, the shade MAY cause a change in temperature, which in turn would cause the air to move (wind)... But this is also highly unlikely to be significant.
@@MH3GL
You’re correct that the degree of shade provided isn’t going to cause ‘wind’. However, you’d agree that turgor pressure does fluctuate and it fluctuates on a regular basis. Would you happen to know what these fluctuations coincide with?
@@Zerpersande water movement in plants is directly tied to water pressure in the surrounding environment (water always moves from an area of higher pressure to lower pressure until balance is achieved). So, turgor (water) pressure within the plant is directly dependent upon the amount of plant available water in the soil (and air). As water moves downward in the soil profile due to gravity, and water is lost from the soil and plant due to evaporation and transpiration, the plant will lose turgidity. After a rain event or irrigation, the water potential in the soil increases, and the turgidity should rise again as well, provided the water is available to the plant.
Shooter Mcgavin would have had him drop it and re-putt
what if you are Kevin Na and you arrive there before the ball stops. when does the 10 seconds start?
If you are that close, then the 10 Seconds starts immediately. Rule 13.3 allows for a Reasonable Amount of Time to Arrive, PLUS 10 Seconds.
Ol kuch trying his best to help kim out.
He might be dating his sister
I'd be stomping over there "don't mind me guys, got some mud in my cleats." Start blowing in the direction of the hole "pheeeeeew guys, is it just me or is it hot out here phhheeewww."
Thanks for the tricks buddy😂😉
thats basically what they did
And there goes the gentleman’s game...... if it’s a bounce game then who cares but competition play I’d call you out
Rule 9.4 applies here, ball moved by a players actions
@@peterflannigan1090 Believe me buddy, I ain't playing in no competitions. I'm happy if I break 90.
@@DelPlays they never came close enough for that ball to have been affected by them. If anything it was the massive gusts of wind that pushed it in.
This is why people don't enjoy golf like they used to. Arbitrary rules when the person playing against them was cool with it. I don't know....
My respect goes to both Mr. Kuchar (my fellow Georgia Tech alum) and Mr. Kim for showing us such a great putt and sportsmanship :)
So Bryson can take 5 mins to putt and widely miss it. But He has 10 sec To Tap a moving ball???? Come on PGA !?!?!
Who's Byron?
Winston Smith Byron Bay. Son of Summer Bay.... haven’t heard of him??
You know someone is popular when their name gets brought up in random situations that have nothing to do with them
Just making a Comparison crybabies..
If the ball takes longer than 10 seconds to move 1mm then it’s movement is imperceptible. I mean, the earth is moving too so all balls are technically moving
You gotta love Kuch. He immediately went and put his shade on like the myth goes and at all times his intent is to have the birdie scored. Pure amateur attitude dressed up like a pro.
He pays his caddie like an amateur would that's for sure!
He knows that the 10 seconds rule was broken so he did the right thing.
@@John_Wood_ does he? That's disappointing!
It’s alright to admire an athlete but “loving them to bits” 😂 is downright frightening.
@@John_Wood_ That's total BS if you knew the caddy story you wouldn't say that. He paid the guy way above their agreed rate. Then gave him an extra bonus and the caddy still said FU I don't want the bonus
Weird ruling. You can't hit a moving ball. What if this was an approach from 180yds to the green? And right when the players arrive at the green themselves they see it tip in. That wait (for the ball itself) would be longer than this one. Hard to get your head around.
So they said AFTER a reasonable amount of time it takes to get to the ball. So if it’s from 180 yards you can’t expect anyone to SPRINT to the ball, can you? So after a walk, you get to the hole, you stand over the ball THEN THAT is when the “10 second” timer starts
What's funny is this is clearly aimed at pace of play. However, with recent uproar over how slow things have gotten, I find it an odd way to showcase enforcement. I'd rather see this than someone line up a putt from three angles.
The only reasonable complaint a competitor could have is a high wind and green speed situation.
@@CStarkGolf ok but what if Usain Bolt is golfing and he can get to his 100yd shot in 10sec? In fact he could probably get close to when it drops if he hits it high enough.
@@Real28 you’re just being silly at this point. A reasonable amount of time means that all 4 players hit, one of the balls sat on the edge of the hole, players pick up their clubs, WALK TO THE GREEN, get onto the green. That is a reasonable amount of time. Not waiting 4 minutes after everyone hit their shot. Once they reach the green and reach their respective balls, only then does the timer start
Yes it would count as im sure the reasonable amount of time 10sec started once you reach the point where you can observe and putt the ball
Kuch always a man of character... one of my favorite pros.
It’s like when you drop a hot chip on the floor - “ it’s the 10 second rule “ 🤔
This is madness. Come on, make an exception here. Where’s the fun! Imagine giving it to him. Maybe he will go on n shoot entertaining golf. Feel bad for Kim and Kudos to Kuchar
When does the ten seconds start? If it takes 11 seconds for a “long put” from the fringe is that a penalty? If it’s still moving then it’s moving. Not like it stopped an inch away and the wind blew it in 11 seconds later.
*Rule 13.3a*
The "10 Seconds" start *AFTER* the Player who Left his Ball *OVERHANGING the Hole* can reasonably walk to the Hole from where he had played the Stroke.
The Rule activates WHEN any part of the Ball is OVERHANGING the Hole, and only then.
The Purpose of the Rule is to *modify Rule 10.1d,* the prohibition against Striking a "Moving Ball", by regulating the Ball to be *"AT REST"* once time expires.
Cant wait for friday beers to use this clip 😂
Should be a Jomboy Replay, too.
Kuchar is such a legend...Obviously a compassionate dude.
Definitely rooting for Kuchar in anything I see him in after this. Sportsmanship in abundance
The reason a rule like this is implemented is because if a ball sits there long enough, it has the possibility of moving (by perhaps a gust of wind). You can't just look at it all day because it's moving micro-fractions and eventually falls in. It's clearly not naturally rolling to go in the hole, so a time limit has to be put in place. 10 seconds might be a little too short, but overall I agree with this ruling. Pretty awesome of Kuchar to support his fellow competitor, though.
So on a hole like 15 at Augusta are you allowed to chip your ball and then run up to it and hit it before it comes to rest in order to keep the ball from rolling in the water? At what speed are we not allowed to hit a moving ball.
@@ram0666 - It's a common sense judgment call. It's obvious if a ball is still slowly rolling, even if it's like half an inch per second. A ball still slowly rolling on the 15th at Augusta is generally pretty clear, even to viewers at home. In the case of this video, the ball is obviously not "rolling", it's just sitting there and it takes Matt Kuchar bending over to look at it for 30 seconds to say he can see it "moving". At this point, a reasonable time limit should be enforced. Imagine if there wasn't a time limit and Woo Kim decided he wanted to wait 20 minutes because he sees it's "moving"... just accept you didn't make the putt and move on.
@@chili015 Its not common sense its judgement. If that was a higher profile player and the idea of moving ball being hit or not hit that determined a major. This would be up for much more debate. To much room for manipulation.
@@ram0666- The rule is pretty clear. If you've never read the rule, I suggest looking it up.
@@ram0666 this Rule has been in place since 1984.
Since 2019 it is *Rule 13.3a "Ball OVERHANGING the Hole."*
This Rule has the Power to deem the Ball to be "AT REST" when allowable time has expired, thus eliminating any conflict with, or discussion about, *Rule 10.1d* "NOT Striking a Moving Ball."
In Kim's Situation he had a Total of 25 Seconds for the Ball to Fall In and be considered Holed Out.
*It DIDN'T!*
Kim was required to Tap In to Hole Out, for One More Stroke for the Hole.
*He DIDN'T!*
So he was Penalized One Stroke.
Either way he was going to Score 4 on the Hole.
Gotta love Kuch man. A true sportsman. #respect 👏🏽
Are you joking? He is the one that called the official.
@@taitfreeman9421 Do you know how scorecards work? lol He vouched for si woo and tried to get him the birdie from the official. They call the officials over so as to not risk potentially adding strokes to their scorecards. That's pretty standard if they don't know the ruling as they didn't know what the ruling was past the "ten second rule". If you watched the entire encounter kuch and the rest of his playing party understanding of the encounter was not correct so it was a good thing they called an official. Again, he vouched for him and pleaded "I swear the ball was still moving" in an effort to get him a 3. He just played by the rules.
@@taitfreeman9421 If Kim signed the scorecard with a 3 instead of a 4, at BEST hed get a two shot penalty, at worst be DQed. Its a very good reason they called the official to make sure what to sign for...
@@user-eg7nj1is7l Matt and all involved here didn’t know the rule, that’s all that happened. Be a short vid if anyone bothered to read 13.3a. 😂
People take over 10 seconds between putts all the time. Stupid rule.
@@deervein I don't think so...I've watched big name pros walk up to the ball, mark the ball, act like their going to pull the marker, take 3 practice stokes, pull the marker while crouching down and observing their line, stand up take a couple more practice strokes, get into position for several seconds and finally hit the putt...all while burning up 2 minutes. If the USGA wants to be this precise with a gray area rule then they should start a running clock with every shot.
@@deervein he may have been reading the line of his next shot though and judging how hard to hit it?
@@deervein but everything is always moving
@@jlm7060 the point you are missing in your "argument" is you are describing Players preparing to play *their NEXT Stroke* since their *LAST Stroke* is long finished.
Here, Kim was waiting for his *LAST Stroke to Finish.*
And he waited Long After *Rule 13.3a* told him his Stroke was Finished and his Ball was *AT REST* and he had to proceed with his Tap In.
@@deervein I've read a couple of your Replies and you are Inaccurate in Multiple ways.
The video is about *Rule 13.3a* "a Ball that OVERHANGS a Hole" and does three things.
1) sets a time limit for the Ball to Fall In to Hole Out on the previous Stroke.
2) Determines WHEN the Ball is *finally AT REST,* which MODIFIES Rule 10.1d, eliminating the "Striking a moving ball" argument.
3) determines When the Last Stroke is Complete, and another Stroke is needed to Hole Out.
4) Assesses a One Stroke Penalty if the Ball Holes Out AFTER Time has expired and the Player has NOT Tapped In yet.
As for having your Ball ON the Green, once a Ball has been Marked, any further Movement - except from an Intentional Stroke - *requires the Ball to be replaced in its Original Position* with NO Penalty assessed.
The same is in effect for any following Putts needed to Hole Out.
Hats off to Kutcher. What a gentleman and sportsman. Total respect
It's ok my boy SiWoo gunna get a title soon !!!!
Danny Noonan would have never won that money for Rodney if this was a par
@CF 1234
It depends on what he stood for; goodness or badness.
Al Czervik JS
Noonan, you can do it.
@@jh58 wellll....we're waitingg
Birdie!!!!!
Surely if the ball is still moving he can't touch it. If the ball is anywhere else on the green and is still moving on a slope then you would be penalised if you hit it or picked it up. The birdie should have stood.
That's why it's modified for being able to be hit moving when it's on the edge of the cup .
Once the Ball OVERHANGS the Hole, Rule 13.3a activates and Rule 10.1d is NO LONGER in effect.
This is the "Modification" the Rules Official referred to.
Rule 13.3a has the Power to deem the Ball to be *At Rest,* so therefore "but the Ball is still moving" becomes a moot point.
That should count as a birdie. Stupid golf rules.
I think the difference is between a ball oscillating and a ball moving(changing location). If I am not mistaken, the rule as applied, pertains to oscillation. That ball certainly wasn't moving until the very end😎
*Rule 13.3*
Funny how people say the rule is in place to speed up the game for "entertainment purposes" yet this shot (and shots similar to this) are ENTERTAINING
How about if it was a par 3 shot,and it took players 3mins walking to the green and just about they arrived,ball drops.Hole in one count?
Yes that counts i think
Yes, as long as it's a reasonable amount of time. Got to draw the line somewhere or you could stand there for 10 mins...
Yes.
@Bob S What would you suggest?
You are allowed a reasonable amount of time to arrive at the Ball.
The additional 10 Seconds only comes into it, *IF the Ball is OVERHANGING the Hole.*
You would have to get fairly close to the Green to be able to see the Ball Overhanging.
If the Ball falls in anytime prior to your getting close, the Ball is Holed Out. Pick it out of the Hole and head for the next Tee.
Your Honor ...
I've rarely seen a golf rule end up in a reasonable outcome.
Was that Kuchar that put his shadow on the ball cause that would be hilarious.
The ball most likely moved due to the vibration in the ground resulting from 4 people walking very near it; there's also a possibility that the sound waves generated during their conversations very near the ball could have helped cause the ball to move; whenever a ball hangs that near the cup like that, and if the putt (or chip) is made from within 20 ft., then the golfer should have to wait 10 seconds before moving from his putting location; no one else should be allowed to advance toward the ball during the 10-second period; if the ball drops within 10 seconds, then count it as a shot made; if it doesn't drop within 10 seconds, then the golfer may advance toward the ball; if the ball drops as the golfer is advancing or while standing over the putt, then an extra stroke should be added to the score for the hole; the ball dropping would be attributed to ground vibration from the golfer's movements at the ball; if a putt or chip is made from outside of 20 ft. and the ball hangs on the cup lip, then the golfer making the shot, and anyone else in the vicinity, must wait 10 seconds before advancing closer than 20 ft. to the hole; if it drops during the 10-second wait, count it as a shot made; if it drops after 10 seconds, add a shot to the score for the hole.
I think Kuchar knew what he was doing. That's why as soon as the ball dropped he said, "you gotta get an official". I think he wanted the official over because he knew it wouldn't count, and then played it up to the official that it should count.
Did the player physically take a stroke to move the ball?? It's really as easy as that.
According to this clip, he definitely had the wind on his side.
And?
When does 10 seconds start? Is he counted a stroke for the ball falling in?
First of all the Ball must be *OVERHANGING the Hole.*
*Rule 13.3a*
The 10 Seconds Start when you reach the Ball and Hole. You are allowed a "reasonable amount of time to reach the Hole", since No One can predetermine where the Ball originally was and what that Distance might be.
Once the final 10 Seconds has expired *that Stroke is now Over and Complete.* Tap in for One More Stroke. If the Ball Falls In before you make the required Tap In, you are Penalized One Stroke.
Either way, it means *One More Stroke* to the Score for the Hole.
A correct decision. A physicist would say that the ball never ceases to move, which can be demonstrated depending on how minute an examination of it is carried out. I appreciate that the rules are intended to cover only a visibly moving ball, but that too is ambiguous as it can depend on one's perspective and acuity of eyesight. The effect of wind can also never be ruled out as to why a ball appears to be moving. The 10-second rule seems a good way to get over these anomalies.
Always got good vibes from Kuchar and now absolutely love the guy
Wow that was amazing
Wouldn't you be required to take a 1 shot penalty if you played a ball that is still moving??
no, the rule is modified the official explains that.
In the Video, at 35 Seconds, the Rules state the Ball is At Rest.
Kim would be charged for another Putt at that point, no matter what.
Pretty dope to see Kuchar supporting him. Everyone needs a Kuch on their side
Unless you’re a fill in caddie 😂😂
Kudos to Kuchar for supporting SWK's birdie claim. I think this was a very harsh interpretation of the rules, especially as Kuchar was waiting for his opponent's ball to stop moving before playing his shot.
For anyone who knows it is the best trick for a hanging ball, especially a ball that was this close on the lip of the hole. Get your shadow on the ball and surrounding area of the cup. The lack of direct sunlight makes the blades of the grass lay or fall down which will set the hanging ball into the hole. Any ball that is vulnerable to falling in will usually fall in a 10 to 15 second period.
When Kucher's caddie set the shadow on the ball I was impressed. However, he removed himself and the shadow with him. I believe if the caddie's shadow stayed on the ball that it would have fallen much sooner.
The hidden secret is to get over the ball and fill in the area around the ball and hole with shadow to present as much darkness as possible which will speed up the effect. All within the rules.
yup seen it happen twice, u gotta try it
These rules are stupid that's a birdie
No it makes since you can’t have people waiting minutes watching a ball
@@joeydavis9696 then set a 2 minute rule, not 10 seconds
@@joeydavis9696 the ball was moving. So you’re saying it’s ok to hit a moving ball after 10 sec?
@@jdstarek yes
@@matthewdumm4096 2 minutes would count as slow play and would probably ruin the group behind or either hurt you directly. I agree 10 seconds is a LITTLE too short but hey what can we do
Kuchar may not pay his caddies but he is a class act when it comes to his fellow players
You need to rethink; Kuch had agreement with sub caddy; won; paid sub caddy per the agreement; culture shamed him into paying what his REGULAR caddy would have gotten.
He does pay his caddies.
@@bray72 if you believe what he did is ok...you probably also don’t tip your waiters/waitresses
Kuchar's caddie's like, "Can we hurry this up? I only make $7.25 an hour."
Why would he want to hurry up then?
@@medichampion328 yeah, if hes paid hourly he'd definetly want to be out there for as long as possible, given the weekend is already ruined :p
Rule is correct the player reached the hole and had 10 seconds to determine if the ball would drop or not.... Even if it is moving...
It is a specific rule for over hangs such as this and "moving" refers to the very slow motion they observed. Basically once the player reached the hole to watch the ball he has 10 seconds to either have it drop or add a stroke whether it fell at 11 seconds or 20 seconds. Once beyond 10 seconds that putt is considered ended.
The mistake was calling the official.
There are two kinds of people: Those in the bar who understand this rule, and those who are still on the course staring at a ball.
Pga rules are just so stupid. Cant remove your ball from a divot. Ball was moving but you can hit it even though you cant hit a moving ball
yea freakin dumb that should have counted it went in without hitting it and somehow they counted it as a stroke?
Go read *Rule 13.3*
PS: It's a USGA / R&A Rule, that the PGA Obeys.
I'm telling you right now, Kim's caddie "shaded" the ball causing the grass to stand up and pushing the ball...old caddie's trick
You’re the first one to catch this it’s illegal to stand with a shadow on the Ball to make it move.
A shadow causes the grass to lay down, not stand up.
And there is no Rule against Shadows in Golf, primarily because It's an Outdoor Game.
Fair play to kuchar, seems like a fairly simple one to sort out. I'm sure they came to the right decision in the end
Golf rules for play slow add stroke.
Add Stroke:
2= lost ball
1= slow player
Putting rule:
1= standing longer than 20 seconds after putting shot.
1= Standing wait for ball move after 10 seconds.
bs call
"Are you too good for your home!?!?!"
Sometimes I think a golf ball must have a small and primitive brain. Sometimes it feels like being nice, sometimes it feels like making trouble. This one felt like being bratty.
The rule is in place to keep the game moving. You can’t just stand there holding up people playing behind you because you think the ball might still drop. So even though the ball was moving, after 10 seconds is up it is declared stationary.
FYI In stroke play, Kim is NOT Kuchar's opponent. Kim is called a playing partner. In match plays, if they are playing against each other, then one is the other's opponent. RBC is a stroke play tournament.
10 seconds after the ball comes to rest. It wasn’t at rest , it was still moving. Also he never made a stroke to putt it in for par , so thank you birdie. 😃😃
Unfortunately it is not "10 seconds after it comes to rest" but the much more nebulous "10 seconds after you arrive at your ball", otherwise you'd have a point.
@@morgancross5481 The 3rd shot was a chip from off the green even when using a putter. Kim did not get a GIR on that hole.
You cannot hit a moving ball so the 10 seconds rule is not applicable on this. It’s still moving , they can all see it moving.
@@martinallen6521 as soon as the Ball was *OVERHANGING* the Hole, *Rule 13.3a* activated. Kim had his 15 Seconds of reasonable time to reach the Hole, and then his 10 Seconds.
At that point Rule 13.3a *deems the Ball to be "AT REST"*
Kim's prior Stroke was then Finished and necessitated him to Tap In for One More Stroke to Hole Out.
He was Penalized One Stroke because he DIDN'T Tap In.
Either way, once Time Expires on an OVERHANGING Ball It's *One More Stroke*
When he said you can’t hit a moving ball I thought he had him.
3 strokes taken for the ball to drop in the hole... but a 4 on the card #FeelsBadMan
It must be a 5 because he waited more than 40s to play the shot
3 Strokes to leave the Ball OVERHANGING the Hole, *(Rule 13.3)* and a 4th needed to Tap in to Hole Out, per *Rule 13.3*
@@zouki42 only got charged for the necessary tap in he DIDN'T take.
At 35 Seconds into this Video, IT was a 4 no matter what. *Rule 13.3*
I actually I'm pretty sure that the rules official is correct on this one. Even though you all might think it's still moving and it very well could have been just barely still moving, you still only have that reasonable amount of time, and then about 10 more seconds once you arrive to the ball before you have to tap it in. They clearly went at least 30 seconds or more. Therefore see extra show should be added
Kuchar just turned into my favorite PGA golfer. I always figured him to be a good guy, this just put it in stone.
Dumb rules like this ruin golf and discourage new players. Ridiculous.
But you can't hit a moving ball...
And That's *Precisely WHY* Rule 13.3a TELLS you the Ball is *AT REST* when your allowable time Expires.
This is the "Modification" the Rules Official mentions near the end of the video (to Rule 10.1d)
Should have immediately called the official. Then they could wait until he arrived. Oops.
What would your reasoning be for immediately calling the official?
@@jasonbateman3424 would you need one? You can request a ruling at your discretion.
Nice try, Chris, but no dice.
As soon as the Ball was *OVERHANGING the Hole* Rule 13.3a came into effect. And in Kim's case, he had 25 Seconds Total time for the Ball to Fall. When the time is up, the Ball is *AT REST* and requires a Tap In to Finish the Hole.
Even in Golf, Ignorance of the Rules is NO Defense.
They really moved the ball with their mind collectively
Never knew the 10sec rule. That’s crazy I thought you had the same time as to search for a ball.
3 minutes upon arrival to find a Lost Ball now.
Kim took 15 Seconds to get to the Ball from when it hung on the lip which was fine, then he had 10 Seconds to wait to see if it would drop. After the 10 Seconds the Ball is Deemed at Rest and must be Holed Out.
Kim waited an extra 45 Seconds and was charged for the tap in he should have stroked.
At 35 Seconds into the Video, it was then always a Par, and a missed Birdie attempt.
@@apaulmcdonough2170 how much time does he have to line up that put?
@@woodwood1725 Zero time "to line up the Putt".
When total allowable time expires, tap in for one more stroke, or be charged a Penalty Stroke for failing to Tap In.