In all honesty, the Next Gen car wasn’t a complete failure. It did make the races more interesting and more fun to watch. However, Yes, there were mistakes NASCAR made on the car due to tire issues and also Kurt Busch’s “early” retirement due to concussions. They need to fix the head rests and other mistakes. But all and all, it wasn’t a terrible season.
Independently a lot of the issues the next gen had would be fine. But the safety issues and the combination of the issues is what made it all so frustrating. But if they have the safety issues improved and the short track, and honestly the plate package improved. Then everything will be good. Growing pains are okay, hopefully that’s all this past year was
The design making the rear so stiff to support the independent rear suspension is baffling that they didn’t make changes early on. And the teams could’ve had changes done immediately.
@@tristonwebb8062 Welcome to the negative effects of the most cookie-cutter corporatized disaster of a car NASCAR could've made. Let's show that we run the sport and that suit wearing boardroom members know more about driver safety than the racers or the crew chiefs, who predominantly were former racers themselves. Edit: Why can I hear this in S1apSh0es voice?
And the number of guys that complained about the hits at times. Like Denny Hamlin skipping his one xfinity race bc of the Daytona hit and his hit wasn’t even as bad
Racing wise the car is amazing except for short tracks and road courses. But the low profile tire sucks and the fires are a big problem. Im glad they did something about the rear’s crumple zone, but they should also work on the front and sides too. The front seemed to get better throughout the season but still
The intermediate racing was so much “better” bc the 550 package was so horrendous. I personally enjoyed the 2014 package of seeing guys wheeling it and hauling a)) into the corners but I understand why people didn’t like it then. But the road course and short track program for the next gen is unacceptable. The Austin Dillon Atlanta hit showed the RF impacts are the best they’ve ever been. But those side and rear impacts deficiencies just overshadow what progress was made.
There are so many things to blame with this car, and Nascar as a whole. I agree. That damaged car policy is horrible. I see nothing wrong with someone making laps to gain positions if they want. And you brought it up. That single lug nut takes all the fun out of pit stops. And don't get me started on the number location. They are changing everything I loved about Nascar.
For as long as they spent planning on the next gen, it seemed like they really really missed the mark on so much. And not even allowing teams to make fixes to problems 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
The low profile tires must be really annoying cause if you blow a tire then go into the grass then there’s a possibility you won’t be able to move the the tires are so thin and there’s barely anymore tire touching the ground then if it was inflated the previous gen tires would have such a better chance of getting out of the grass because there’s so much more tire to work with and the next gen low profile tires if you blow them then now your pretty much running your outside rim bead on the pavement and the inside could either be the blown tire smacking against your car and ground or it to could just be the rim bead running on the pavement but with the higher profile tires the rim bead has a chance of running on the blow tires sidewall rather then the pavement both the outside and inside bead and this will also give them more tire surface area to help incase they end up blowing a tire and going into the grass they have more grip to work with but also not to mention all the other safety concerns how is it that the previous gen is safer in certain aspects then the next gen safety should be better in the next gen not a weird balance of good and bad. Also not to mention going to 1 lug nut rather then sticking with 5 if that 1 lug nut fails then you’ll be seeing your tire running beside you but if you have 5 lug nuts and 1 fails you still have 4 lug nuts to work with and you can go to the pit stop to get another lug nut if your team notices or just do a scheduled pit stop and get another lug nut there Edit: I noticed I was saying rim bead rather then the flanges but the flanges would be getting grinned down it will most likely damage the head anyways
The best note is that everything was being touted to be “more production like”, “as close to the showroom floor as possible”. Well my Camaro I own has 5 lugs per tire not a single lug soooo 😂. But they just shouldn’t have changed the tire to the 18in wheel. Bc it being 18 instead of 15 is why it couldn’t be steel. And it being aluminum meant lug problems would severely compromise the integrity of the wheel. And the larger wheel meant no inner liners…. All those issues are solved if they just stayed with 15 in wheels. And less grip and less braking ability which wouldn’t have ruined the short track package 🤦♂️
This is why Chevy, Ford & Toyota should've built the Next Gens instead of Nascar. The Manufacturers would've made these cars actually safe to drive. I remember in 2021 when Nascar did that crash test with the next gen at Talladega & the dummy "died", both drivers & team owners where rightfully concerned and asked Nascar about the test results and Nascar was being vague about it and other things with the Next Gens. For me the breaking point in calling this Car a failure was when Harvick's crew chief Rodney Childress said the teams could help fix most of these issues and Nascar said they couldn't touch the cars. Then the concussions to Alex Bowman & Kurt Busch and many drivers saying every hit is a lot worse than the Gen 6 ones & as of Summer 2023 the drivers are still saying the hits are worse & not much has been done to fix that.
2024 update, some of the issues have been addressed, but more issues appeared, most recently cars have been getting airborne at Michigan and Daytona due to its flat underside.
Teams wouldn’t have wanted a big change like that so quickly, the car was safe so till they would’ve had the time to absorb the money spent on the COT rolling out they didn’t want any more research and development costs for any changes for a long time and that’s why it was about 2 years before they made the changes
I’m not saying it again. I’ve said it since 2022 bring back gen4 with spec cars The next gen will always be a step in wrong direction it’s not a stock car it’s a sports car something nascar shouldn’t have
In all honesty, the Next Gen car wasn’t a complete failure. It did make the races more interesting and more fun to watch. However, Yes, there were mistakes NASCAR made on the car due to tire issues and also Kurt Busch’s “early” retirement due to concussions. They need to fix the head rests and other mistakes. But all and all, it wasn’t a terrible season.
Independently a lot of the issues the next gen had would be fine. But the safety issues and the combination of the issues is what made it all so frustrating. But if they have the safety issues improved and the short track, and honestly the plate package improved. Then everything will be good. Growing pains are okay, hopefully that’s all this past year was
The fact it took about a month for nascar to implement the straps usage for getting cars to pit road was ridiculous
The Race for the Championship series highlighting that they knew it was an issue from testing makes it even worse
Parity that hasn't been seen since 2001, but at the cost of a career of someone who's been racing since then. Sad, really.
The design making the rear so stiff to support the independent rear suspension is baffling that they didn’t make changes early on. And the teams could’ve had changes done immediately.
@@tristonwebb8062 Welcome to the negative effects of the most cookie-cutter corporatized disaster of a car NASCAR could've made. Let's show that we run the sport and that suit wearing boardroom members know more about driver safety than the racers or the crew chiefs, who predominantly were former racers themselves.
Edit: Why can I hear this in S1apSh0es voice?
Slapshoes makes some great content. And direct and honest content. So it was your honest and direct channeling 😅
@@tristonwebb8062 Fair enough! 😄
And the number of guys that complained about the hits at times. Like Denny Hamlin skipping his one xfinity race bc of the Daytona hit and his hit wasn’t even as bad
Hopefully these Gen car problems wouldn’t be bad for 2023 as they were in 2022
Hopefully the changes they made are the right direction
Next gen can’t be fixed
2024, small improvements but they’re still sensitive hunks of fuck and the beached whale issue hasn’t improved
Kurt Bush said it best: these new cars aren't safe & are a piece of junk
It’s baffling they used a car that had that kind of built in deficiency
@@tristonwebb8062 I loved the cup cars that used actual street production body's (1960-1990's era)
Racing wise the car is amazing except for short tracks and road courses. But the low profile tire sucks and the fires are a big problem. Im glad they did something about the rear’s crumple zone, but they should also work on the front and sides too. The front seemed to get better throughout the season but still
The intermediate racing was so much “better” bc the 550 package was so horrendous. I personally enjoyed the 2014 package of seeing guys wheeling it and hauling a)) into the corners but I understand why people didn’t like it then. But the road course and short track program for the next gen is unacceptable. The Austin Dillon Atlanta hit showed the RF impacts are the best they’ve ever been. But those side and rear impacts deficiencies just overshadow what progress was made.
The season had great potential. But still passed overall
Racing wise hope the short track and dega, Daytona packages get tweaked and improve
There are so many things to blame with this car, and Nascar as a whole. I agree. That damaged car policy is horrible. I see nothing wrong with someone making laps to gain positions if they want. And you brought it up. That single lug nut takes all the fun out of pit stops. And don't get me started on the number location. They are changing everything I loved about Nascar.
For as long as they spent planning on the next gen, it seemed like they really really missed the mark on so much. And not even allowing teams to make fixes to problems 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
The low profile tires must be really annoying cause if you blow a tire then go into the grass then there’s a possibility you won’t be able to move the the tires are so thin and there’s barely anymore tire touching the ground then if it was inflated the previous gen tires would have such a better chance of getting out of the grass because there’s so much more tire to work with and the next gen low profile tires if you blow them then now your pretty much running your outside rim bead on the pavement and the inside could either be the blown tire smacking against your car and ground or it to could just be the rim bead running on the pavement but with the higher profile tires the rim bead has a chance of running on the blow tires sidewall rather then the pavement both the outside and inside bead and this will also give them more tire surface area to help incase they end up blowing a tire and going into the grass they have more grip to work with but also not to mention all the other safety concerns how is it that the previous gen is safer in certain aspects then the next gen safety should be better in the next gen not a weird balance of good and bad. Also not to mention going to 1 lug nut rather then sticking with 5 if that 1 lug nut fails then you’ll be seeing your tire running beside you but if you have 5 lug nuts and 1 fails you still have 4 lug nuts to work with and you can go to the pit stop to get another lug nut if your team notices or just do a scheduled pit stop and get another lug nut there
Edit: I noticed I was saying rim bead rather then the flanges but the flanges would be getting grinned down it will most likely damage the head anyways
The best note is that everything was being touted to be “more production like”, “as close to the showroom floor as possible”. Well my Camaro I own has 5 lugs per tire not a single lug soooo 😂. But they just shouldn’t have changed the tire to the 18in wheel. Bc it being 18 instead of 15 is why it couldn’t be steel. And it being aluminum meant lug problems would severely compromise the integrity of the wheel. And the larger wheel meant no inner liners…. All those issues are solved if they just stayed with 15 in wheels. And less grip and less braking ability which wouldn’t have ruined the short track package 🤦♂️
This is why Chevy, Ford & Toyota should've built the Next Gens instead of Nascar. The Manufacturers would've made these cars actually safe to drive. I remember in 2021 when Nascar did that crash test with the next gen at Talladega & the dummy "died", both drivers & team owners where rightfully concerned and asked Nascar about the test results and Nascar was being vague about it and other things with the Next Gens.
For me the breaking point in calling this Car a failure was when Harvick's crew chief Rodney Childress said the teams could help fix most of these issues and Nascar said they couldn't touch the cars. Then the concussions to Alex Bowman & Kurt Busch and many drivers saying every hit is a lot worse than the Gen 6 ones & as of Summer 2023 the drivers are still saying the hits are worse & not much has been done to fix that.
The teams will always have the best of the best to build cars. Not nascar, and certainly not these single source dealers
2024 update, some of the issues have been addressed, but more issues appeared, most recently cars have been getting airborne at Michigan and Daytona due to its flat underside.
The tire failures were obviously on Goodyear.
I like the late 80's nascars and early 90's
They make the COT cars look awesome and that's saying something
The COT was safety first so it was honestly excusable
@@tristonwebb8062 They could've got rid of the wing rear spoiler after the Texas race in 08 cause that thing lefts off in almost every race.
Teams wouldn’t have wanted a big change like that so quickly, the car was safe so till they would’ve had the time to absorb the money spent on the COT rolling out they didn’t want any more research and development costs for any changes for a long time and that’s why it was about 2 years before they made the changes
The next gen need to be replaced by the Xfinity series stockcars
They need to change the wheels of the next gen
I’m not saying it again. I’ve said it since 2022 bring back gen4 with spec cars The next gen will always be a step in wrong direction it’s not a stock car it’s a sports car something nascar shouldn’t have
The next generation car sucked, they need to go back to street production cars
Old-school tyres were better.
Yes