American Reacts To How Norway's Prisons Are Different From America's
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The reasoning behind this is to protect society, not just primarily to be nice to prisoners. The point is rehabilitation and reintegration into society as a means to fight crime.
ofcourse, because here in Norway we're approaching the problem with the intent to fix it. In the US they are approaching the problem with the intent of creating repeat offenders so the private prison businesses become millionaires and never run out of business.
Truly mindblowing to see how different things are, and how severely wrong Americans approach this problem, no focus on rehabilitation, no focus on anything other than to scare inmates so much and put them in a constant state of PTSD so they definitely end up repeating crimes to end up in that environment again.
@@roozki808 They are doing it with the intent to earn money, prisons are owned by corporations that get paid by the government per prisoner, the more times they get rearrested the prison owners get paid. Welcome to late stage capitalism
@@roozki808 As long as the US prison system is ran like a profitable business it's always going to be like that. They don't want to fix the problem, they just want people to believe what they're doing is normal, but normal for them is insanity to most other developed countries. Same goes for their non existing parental leave, big pharma, the minimum wage vs rental prices, car culture, gun laws, even the tipping culture. The list goes on and on.
It is weird how the American tax payer is good with this. Making corporations rich by making sure thousands of people don't chip in - because they're all in jail.
@@silvaanosvs8783 Americans are all about serving the rich, at the expense of everyone else
Hello, i am Norwegian. And when i was a young man, i was a drug (opiate) addict. Because of that i got in trouble with the law, and had to stay in prison.(3 different prisons) What was worst about that, was the withdraw sicknes from the drugs. As soon as i got over that, i learned that prison in Norway is a safe and (for me) good place to be. I ate well and trained, so i got back my health and strength lost by addiction. There are no race trouble or other problems among the inmates in Norway. Child predators are the only ones hated, so they are in their own prison. The guards are much like the ones in your video. You loose your freedom, thats it. They try to find tings to do for all the inmates. School or work, and you get a small day pay to use in the store. I bought tobaco sigaretts and food i liked, to build more strenght together with my training. You spend a lot of time out of your cell, playing games. Outside playing volleybal or soccer. Go for a run. Many take up a hobby, learn to play an instrument. And so on. All in all, it is a big difference to see how bad prisons are in many other countries. Sweden and Denmark has much the same prisons as Norway. The only reason i have been in prison more than once, is the drug addiction. It took me many years to get out of that problem. When looking at how little people in countries with humane prisons do heavy crime, it looks like the way to go. High living standard and education plays a big part to.
@@Aerosun86 Tunga, Trheim. Snekkerverksted og stor luftegård.
I'm so happy you overcame your addiction. You should be very proud of yourself ❤️
@@NowIAmAwake After all the shit my family had to feel, i am not so proud. But thank you for your nice words. 💕
@@yngve6640 I can imagine you must have hurt your friends and relatives. That can not be erased. The only thing you can do is showing them you became a better person. To move on you have to forgive yourself. Big hugs 🍀❤️
@@NowIAmAwake You are much right. Thank you, and i hope you have a calm beautiful christmas holiday.🙂
We have a Norwegian exchange daughter, and while she lived with us we spoke about the prison system. She said there was a situation where the doors did not get properly secured and so some of the prisoners had the opportunity to leave the prison. Instead they went to the kitchen, made a chocolate cake and binged on Golden Girl episodes.
Yeah, we had the chance to walk anytime 😬 But that would've added time to our sentences 🥴
So well-behaved damnn. I was in Norway for a couple of months but no one talked to me about how good their prison system is
@@jody4210 Why would you leave the place that could provide you with comfort and free education for your successful future?
That's what all the inmate realized when they went to prison. They realized it's a free ticket to have a better life, hence why they don't escape.
The exact same thing happend in Sweden too which is neighboring countries
I may have cried a little bit of happy tears while reading this comment. :D
The guy locked up in Brazil for sure was a Norwegian national. International prisoners transfer is quite common, but some countries are more willing to do it (🇳🇴 - 😁) than others (🇺🇸 -🤨)!
For me, it's just basic psychology. Nearly all of the most violent and horrifying crimes were committed by people who grew up in unstable homes, are survivors of childhood neglect and abuse (sexual, verbal/emotional, and physical) or have neurological dysfunctions and/or mental health issues, etc. That means, they were victims before they became victimizers.
Given that reality, it makes absolutely no sense to take that person (regardless of their crime) and put them into a prison in which they will then be victimized again.
How is that justice?
You also have people who are for nonviolent crimes who end up with PTSD from the way they were treated during their incarceration and end up actually committing violent crimes and/or become addicted to drugs/alcohol in order to deal with the trauma.
How is that rehabilitation?
Our country likes to say that our prison system is focused on justice and "rehabilitation" but you can't dehumanize another human, put them in an environment that is both violent and socially abnormal and think once their sentence is over, you can just turn them out to the streets with no assistance or job guarantee thinking they will have no problem assimilating into society...no more than you can chain up, isolate, and beat your dog, whether for maulding someone or simply crappin' on your carpet and not expect him to turn on you once you've unchain him.
Treat a human being like an animal and they will become an animal. Treat a human humanely and you are more likely to see them find their humanity again.
And for those who can never be safely freed into society again, they are still human and their life can still have purpose behind the walls that keep them separated from society.
We simply need to change how we think about "justice" in this Country. The way it looks right now, justice is just code word for vengeance.
Justice is the codeword for profits of the rich in the US.
One major difference between norwegians and US prisons, is the fact that US prisons are a multi billion industry with no intention to reformation, while prisons in Norway are intended to reform the incarserated to be fully functionable citizens after prison. Off course it does not always succeed, but there are more sushine stories than failures, so we are doing something right.
Absolutely!!
The US prison system is 'designed' to promote re-offending as they WANT ex-inmates to re-offend.
The MORE that ex-inmates re-offend the MORE $$$ the corporate run prisons make out of taxpayers.
EVERYTHING in the US is about making $$$.
The rate of offenders being reoffended after 5 years is around 60% in the US, but in Norway it's only around 20%. However obly like 40 years ago Norway also had 60% of people getting reoffended, but we changed it qfter finding out that that wasn't working and we started becomeing more humane, which got us down to 20%
Norway alsi doesn't have a lifetime sentence, the max is 21 years. However there is a possibility for one to get the same prison sentence again and again. So for those who hqve heard of Anders Behring Breivik, no he isn't sitting in prison for only 21 years, he's sitting there for the rest of his life.
Loved the reaction :)
Love from Norway❤️
thank you for sharing :) love from Berlin
Well he probably will, but its not a certainty, he got 21 years with a mandatory 10 years atleast, wich means every 10 years he has the right to "demand" his release, actually its a trial about that in january, but ofc theres no chance they will release him, neither now or in the future i think, he should die behind bars for what he has done, and he probably will.
@@wiseomg The thing is that he us encouraged to try to reduce his sentence. He will never get it though for two reasons, he is dangerous for society and the society is to dangerous for him. The second he gets out, if that were to happen, he would be killed by someone in the society.
@@sirisolbar Yes and i agree with you 100%, he will die of old age in prison, like he should.
@@wiseomg That beeing said...he deserves alot worst, there is no fair sentencing for a guy like that.
The land of the free with the highest percentage of people incarcerated .
Yeah, they're still a great country in they're own way. Just definitely not a place I would live in. But yeah, in the first world, they are technically the least free country of all, with the highest porcentaje of people locked up and with the least amount of actual freedoms (even though one they do have is having firearms where as many of the others you can't or it's not as simple).
Also, paying taxes doesn't include university or healthcare, which i think is fucked up.
and they still are the land of the free, the Free part was never for Criminals.
@@svenhaheim they ain't the land of the free.
@@lmao2351 yes they are.
@@svenhaheim They can't camp in nature they can't go to any beach just public and on and on so how are they free?
Hej. Im from Sweden and we have a similar system as Norway and i rather live in a country where prisoners are humans rather then like in the US where you are a number and someones cashflow.
i worked as a chef in a rehabilitation facility where for drug addicts, we interact with them like normal and there was never a judgment in a facility. Some drug addicts are agressive due to withdrawals but they reciprocated in a calm manner. Most norwegians are kind and equal!!! 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
The dude who came from Brazil is Norwegian. He just got caught there and it took some time for the Norwegian government to Get him Home.
I'm norwegian and i'm really proud of our system 🥰
Another thing you might like to know about Norway is that the police dont carry guns in public.
If something happens and they need a gun they have one locked in a breifcase in the car. And they have to call the station chief and get clearance to lock out the gun and use it.
Får se hvor lenge den varer, hørt rykter at den ska endres oga hendelsen yk
Sad thing is the prison system in Norway gets less and less money every year. Our system is not getting any better, it's getting worse. Understaffed and getting more centralized.
That's because they didn't put more money into their welfare system when they took in all the refugees they just took the money from the elderly and sick.
10:30 he probably is from Norway. So after a certain time in Brazil he can go to his home country to sit out the rest of his time.
He is 100% Norwegian. There is a simple reason. Norway has embassies around the world, but it costs a lot to follow Norwegians who are imprisoned abroad. Norwegian authorities often offer to bring these home to Norway because it requires little work and is very much cheaper.
They didnt mention education. People in prison in norway can take education all the way up to university degrees.
If you treat a peson as an animal, he will become a animal.
And when we do not have life or death sentence in the Nordic countries, than it is possible he will become your neighbor.
Then it suddenly become your choice; Do you want a animal or a normal person next door?
You are insulting animals
Norway have (forvaring) that means if the prisoners is not mentally good, they vil give 20 more years
@@emilaasen3888 næææ, det er maks 5 år av gangen. 20 år til hadde vært uforsvarlig. Men, så klart, de kan alltids legge til enda 5 år, og enda 5 osv
There are several big misconceptions in the american prison system:
1. If a offender doesn't get a severe punishment in the 1st place he might does it a 2nd time.
2. The american justice system emphasizes retribution and revenge over resocializing concepts
3. Privat prisons must be profitable
Yes, if you rehabilitate prisoners, a lot of them won't come back.
And there's no profit in that
@@jessicakoster2543 Welcome to late stage capitalism
Nice reaction video bro! I subbed :) As a Norwegian im proud that we take care of everyone even in prison. How can you expect humans to be rehabilitated when they are treated like animals? I watch alot of documentaries about prisons in for example the US and most people go into prison with non violent crimes and goes out of prison violent cause you have to fight for your life in there.
Thanks for an interesting video. I want to add something. In Norway, "death row" does not exist. There is no killing as part of the punishment in Norway. It is said that one can be sentenced to the most severe punishment of the law which is around 21 years. In addition, one can be sentenced to, for example, mental health care for an unlimited number of years. Norway has a system for the inmates where they undergo a program during their imprisonment that deals with returning to a normal life after many years in prison. As for the man who had been transferred to prison in Norway, they are 4 because he was a Norwegian citizen. Then the authorities can request a transfer if the prisoner so wishes. Again, thanks for a great video! 🙂
He is a norwegian citizen that got locked up for murder in brazil and after a few years he got transfered to a prison in norway
As a norwegian i am happy to pay taxes that benefit society. Free health care and humane prisons. Like the prison warden said, «they could by your neighbors or mine». And they probably are? Anyway we have a safe society, kids play outside unsupervized and we can walk around at any time without fear for our lives. Thats a good investment. Anybody can take wrong choices in life and everybody deserves a second chance.
I live in Halden, it's a small town with 33.000 people, I often see inmates followed by a couple of guards at the mall or my local store.
Haldenser her åsså.
Great video, thanks Charlie! One must remember that having a prison like this one is only possible in a welfare state where health care and education are paid by taxes and are available for all citizens. So this caring for citizens takes place in many respects from the day a new member of the society is born. Greetings from Finland!
I love the way you do stuff in Finland.. Like the babybox thing..Perfect little thing that has a great impact
@@sole129 Yes, let's hope that the Nordic welfare model will inspire people globally so that there will be a political change to improve living conditions for many. Sharing and caring through paying taxes.. ❤
@L M I think its a perfect way to help out during the first time and for new families to have something in common..
It's just a smart way of approaching it, what happens if you put people in horrible facilities and treat them horrible? those places are filled with tension, resentment, anger, you get cut throat situations that keeps people in a whole different mindset whilst they are there that doesn't go anywhere near rehabilitation.. those places will also be horrible to work at, whilst a prison like this will keep people human and sensible from the guards to the inmates.
@@fortuna7469 no its hell. to much taxes and the car is too expensive. its only oil oil oil
You should take a look at, and react to part of Michael Moore's movie "Where to invade next".
Here he visits two of Norway's prisons.
Halden prison is one of them.
He also talks to the father of one of the teenagers who sadly got killed in the terror massacre that happened 22. of July 2011 here in Norway.
Listen carefully to what this father says, cause this is how the majority of Norway reacted and felt, and still do.
This RUclips clip of the movie is called " Michael Moore goes back to Norway" .
🤘 from a potentially new subscriber from Norway 😎🇧🇻
About the keys, in case you didn't understand; the door has two locks. One is obviously to lock you in and the other is for you to lock your cell when you're not in it. You're in prison; there are criminals there. You should be able to protect your stuff. I truly believe that if you want to change your future, you must both learn new habits and forget some of the old ones. People who say crminals are animals, should be asked one simple question; which dog owner has the nicest dog? This is not complicated, ladies and gentlemen.
During the education to become a Police officer they test pepperspray on themselves. This way the bar for using it will be higher since they know how painful it is
My first time watching your video. I hope that your videos make a difference. It's good to do content like this to keep us aware of how our society is plus the ways we can make it better. Liked and subscribed
Hey!
Im from Norway and randomly found your channel! That brazilian who got transfered probably has ties in norway. Either he is from norway and was caught in brazil, or he has family in norway. But its not like you can come here for your sentence without any relations to norway. We have had pure norwegians being stuck in a prison in congo for maaany years before they got transfered. Actually, one of them died down there. Anyway, Halden prison is amazing! There was a norwegian show not long ago called 'Petter i fengsel' (Petter in prison) where a norwegian guy who does tv documentaries was 1 month in Halden prison with a camera and he was treated just like an inmate and was intervewing other inmates and stuff. Seems like they had it very cozy there. Tough, but cozy! They even had a going away party in one of the cells for one of their friends who was leaving. They played music in there, smoked cigs and had a good time. They just had to have the door open so the guards could see them from time to time. So thats pretty cool! ALso the guys who cook there uses knives and stuff! So its pretty cool. Wish to see something like this in other countries too some day!
To answer your question how you can be transferred from in this case Brazil to Norway is because he has a Norwegian citizenship this means he has the right to sit in a prison in his home country even if the crime was committed in Brazil. This apply for mostly all countries not just these two. But I don’t think they tell the inmates that so they will get a “worse” punishment depending on where you are.
I just want to say one thing about Norwegian prisons, the two that are usually used as examples are Halden and Bastøy. Not all prisons in Norway comes CLOSE to these. I've benn working as a teacher in Norwegian prisons for many years. In different safty levels and now in....6 different prison wards. And they REALLY do vary in quality. And we use to visit other prisons to learn how things are being done elsewhere. I have been to Halden and Bastøy, I have also been to prisons in Denmark and Ireland...they are not that different from Norwegian prisons actually. The one in Denmark (very high security) had a VERY good rehabilitation plan...
He's probably Norwegian citizen who did a crime in Brasil (most probably drug smuggling). So he was captured there and then Norway requested to transfer his citizen to spend rest of his sentence in his own country.
Thank you, really interesting!
I'm thinking it's partly a matter of building up that self-image of seeing yourself as a normal human being that can function in a sort of community. Not just as a criminal. The normality model being a key component to that.
A thought popped up. Being a smart kid in school, but with motivational problems, I remember that the classes in which I had a teacher saying I was smart and clever was the classes in which I got the highest grades. I saw myself as good at that subject. But if a teacher called me bad at something, that's how I perceived myself and so I failed. It's what they said in the video - basic psychology.
/watching from Sweden, so the neighboring country.
I don't know how it is in other countries but in Belgium : if you try to escape from prison or even to some extent succeeds, this will have no impact on the prison sentence or time remaining in prison. Freedom is considered as a need, and so, trying to find this need is considered normal. Well, of course, if you hurt people or damage somthing this probably will have an effect
10:17 I think he is a Norwegian who got sentenced in Brazil living abroad, then got a lawyer who organized the transfer through the Norwegian Embassy?
I'm pretty sure, because they definitely don't just take random Brazilian inmates to Norway I'm pretty sure.
I always have the feeling US system is often based on revenge instead of justice. And 'as long as you look nice and dressed well when going to court'. As if that is the most important thing. Also a jury system imo is the worst system ever. I know there are jury systems in Europe too but in the Netherlands we don't have it and I'm very happy about that. Imagine being tried by people who doesn't have a clue about laws or whatever. Not for one second I believe people don't look how someone looks like or behaves and that shouldn't be done. I'd rather be tried by those who know what they're talking about and who don't care what I'm wearing or how I behave.
Yes, dressing well is important, but being white is also extremely advantageous in the U.S. prison system. Not to mention that our prisons are run by for profit corporations, they don't want their prisoners to be let out and they want to do everything possible to make sure they reoffend. It would be great if our police officers were trained like Norwegian prison security staff.
I could never do jury duty, I am too critical so will find a way to get out of it so the person can have a fair trial. Many people are judgemental and will jump into conclusions instead of listening to hard evidence.
Then again some judges are bias and favour a barrister over another or don't bother to read the submitted statements of witnesses.
American Prisons definitely need reform...and I've been keeping my eye on this. I think we need to follow Norway's example of the Halden Prison...but we will also need reform in the judicial system as well
So important for a society to give people perspective - a future. Knowing that not all is lost after one makes a mistake, and that you still have value. The intrinsic motivation that is needed to become ( and stay) a law abiding citizen starts there: that society wants you back. Do not focus on punishment, focus on showing possibilities how to become a good member of society.
And since you're " into" the Netherlands: have you looked at our tbs system? It's something I am really proud of. When people with a psychiatric illness commit a crime ( due to that illness); they will not be send to prison - where there is no care ; instead they will be send to a " psychiatric prison", called a tbs-kliniek. They get psychiatric treatment ( voluntarily or can be forced by court order). Treatment can be with medication but also involves creating an environment which shows normal behaviour. The staff is medical: (psychiatric) nurses and social workers ( it takes a 4 year education on university level to become one).
I am so proud of this system because it breaks my heart to see that people who are sick, and due to that illness ( for example having a psychosis) making decisions that they wouldn't make if they were treated, are locked up in a prison without the care they need. Tbh I don't think that's human at all.
I think you'll find it interesting to look at this system, it gives a totally different perspective on a 'forgotten group' of ppl who commit crimes. It makes society saver and gives patients the care they need.
i think one of the big issues with US prisons, are that many of them are run as a private corporation, and there is no profit in reforming the inmates, so i guess the prisons are most interested in having their "clients" come back several times
I don't know if someone already answered to that but I think the transfers can happen if you are for example a Norwegian who commits crime in Brazil --> you start your sentence in Brazil but you probably can apply to serve your sentence in your home country.
2 major differences are... In the US, prison is an INDUSTRY. A business. One that also expects to grow and expand every year just like any other business. And secondly... In the US, prison is societys revenge on the individual. Its about the punishment. Not the rehabilitation or preparing people for living normal lives when they come out. In the US, you fall out of society, then your only option from then on, is prison and crime. prison and crime. Endlessly.
Hi, here in Norway we call them 3 star hotels 😅 I 'visited ' once and can confirm, actually had a great time there 😅🤣 Merry Christmas!
It's just bull. All the norwegian people calling this an hotell. They just don't understand that what we all value the most, our freedom, is gone. That's the punishment.
We could learn much from Norway in all aspects of civilized society. Sadly, half the country would rather make billionaires richer and watch the rest suffer.
10:17 If you do something illegal and you are convicted and imprisoned in that country (in his case Brazil) you are automatically deported or after your application and imprisoned in the country of your citizenship (some countries do not extradite criminals). Standard process in most countries in Europe. For example, he could be on vacation or visited Brazil because of work and did something illegal. The US, compared to Europe, puts criminals in jail where there is a place. If there is no place, they can imprison them on the other side of the country and the prisoner will do nothing about it.
First thing I noticed on the satellite image of Halden prison was how much green (or forest) there is inside the prison complex. Now compare that to the average US prison.
About the prisoner who was in Brasil before. My guess is that he is Norwegian and did something stupid in Brasil. So he landed in a brasilian prison and was later deported to his home country.
As a correctional officer in Sweden I can say that we work in the similar way here, or at least we are supposed to do...
Supposed to? Oh no...
Hey!
My great grandfather Johannes Norman was one of the pioneers in the "rehabilitation-policy". He was head of Stavanger kretsfengsel (prison). He went as far as wanting landssvikere to be pardoned, something that irritated my grandmother who was a resistance fighter during the war.
feel like both is good and bad. Alot of ppl get off the hook too easily way to easily but hey what do i know, coming from a police family on both sides of my parents 😁
Who is Landsviker?
@@fredrika27 a "landssviker" is what we also call quisling (after the Norwegian nazi official Vidkun quisling, founder of National unity/Nasjonal samling) is traitors of the state, symphitizers with the germans in WW2.
American prisons rely on inmates to finance them as they are private so more prisoners mean more money earned.
European prisons are run by the government and less prisoners mean less tax money spent.
Pretty easy to see the different motivations and understand why European countries put the emphasis on Rehabilitation if you look at it that way.
Transevering from Brazil mostly happens after you've been there for couple years (probably coscainesmuggel) and your homecountry applying for transverse, initiated by your family.In return Brazil won't have the financial burden
Notice how all the inmates speak close to perfect English. This is their second language and many of them probably knows a third.
The man was transferred from Brazil to Norway because he is a norwegian citizen. The government here in Norway wants all the norwegians who's done crime to be in Norwegian prison. We take care of our own❤️
So, about the guy who was transferred in from Brazil, he just used the wrong word because he's Norwegian, but he meant "Deported". He was deported from Brazil, back to Norway. Meaning, he is a Norwegian citizen, was in Brazil on vacation or a work trip or something of that nature, committed his crime IN Brazil and was imprisoned for it there, and then he was deported back to Norway to continue serving out his sentence because he wasn't a Brazilian citizen.
So yeah, TL;DR: He was deported back to Norway, not "transferred from Brazil to Norway". Norwegian citizen -> committed and was sentenced for a crime in Brazil -> deported back to his original country after serving some time in Brazil.
Hope that helped! Oh and also, Greetings from Norway! 😁👍
German prisons are similar to the prisons in norway. Another huge difference is, that the prisons are a lot smaller here (Germany, Norway etc.) than in the US!
So how do you get transferred from Brazil to Norway? Simply be Norwegian. It's pretty common for a lot of countries to do it. But Norway prioritizes transferring their Norwegians over to their own prisons a lot more. Since we have a totally different philosophy about it, and do believe our prisons are a lot better. We see the value of having that Norwegian spend their time in our prisons before returning to our neighborhoods, rather than in Brazil for whatever amount of years and then returning to our neighborhoods.
In Scandinavia, Denmark, Sweden,Norway, Finland we always try to transfer back felons to their oen country where they are citizen. Answer to your question how he was transefered from Brazil to Norway.
I liked the video. Try to find the one where a cop visits Norwegian cops. And the one where a priest comes over here to see a secular country :)
The inmates are greeted with a handshake when they are commited
Punishment is meant to better mankind not please your own desire for revenge.
That's Socrates in Plato's republic.
Here in the US,prison is business not rehabilitation
Norway here, the "bad" thing that many dont like here in Norway, is that we treat prisioners better than old folks in a home...
I always found this a bemusing ‘Facebook’ take… as someone who has worked in 2 nursing homes, 1 Dagavdeling & now omsorgsbolig… our patients have some of the most beautiful rooms and facilities. Food was ‘home’ made on site (I personally know that one of the cooks used to make her own kjøttkraft and froze it in portions to use again in other recipes) iPads in every room (could be used to FaceTime/video call family members, access news & their own journal), they also had rehabilitation rooms & sansehage (which had fruit we would pick in the summer and make our own jams/apple pies/trollkrem), there was an exercise courtyard with outside equipment, hairdresser, fysio & fotpleier in the building, a cafe and lots more… (I live on Karmøy).
Thats so true !
When a dog is crazy you don't lock it up with a bunch of other crazy dogs in a small cage. The real solution is to train it. Putting it in a cage will just make it crazier.
So why do we do this to ourselves?
Why would someone start a privatized prison? Think about that for a second.... The Norwegian prison system is not based on profit (it is a huge money drain) and punishment. It is based on reformation, rehabilitation and integration. Go figure....
Not every prison in Norway is like Halden prison. But the results are good so it will continue and Probably spread.
Yeah, these are transfer prisons, for those who behave or progress in rehabilitation, last stop before release.
The American prison system is vile and archaic.
Yeah this video is way better than the last one about german prisons that showed nothing at all, only 2 guys sitting at a chair and have some boring conversations.
Thank you for covering this subject. The US is sadly losing this moral fight. The for profit prison system is the most disgusting practice we allow. We allow it. Just so shareholders can make money. Despicable.
Not only does the norwegian prisons focus on rehab over punishment. Its not even normal for the police to carry firearms on a daily basis either. Only in certain periods where the treath level is potensionally high due to a high possibillity of a terrorist attack, or when the police reacts to a armed criminal event, is when you may see the police carry weapons over here. Most, if not all people from countries where its normal for the police to carry weapons would be shocked to see unarmed police in our streets. Im not sure if America can become as Norway as far as prisons and unarmed police in the streets though. America is way too deep in the «shit», if I should call it that. First of all, America needs to ban weapons from all civillian households. Then they have to slowly work their way to as little high profile crimes such as murders and armed robberies, etc… But I, personally, think that America is way too deep in the shit to make that happen. The people resists the idea of not being allowed to own a firearm. Its going to the a real collective effort from the enire US nation to get where Norway is today. With that said! Norway is seeing more and more high profile crimes as well. This will however not change our way of running our prisons though, in my opinion. Our idea of rehab over punishment is still our goal.
Reaction to this reaction from a norwegian. This is one of many prisons. This is the only one like this. By far NOT the norm... This is the "behave and get bonus prison"
Good video, thanks!
I get a weird feeling when people are browsing prison standards in Norway hehehe
quite the difference compared to the American prison system where inmates are stripped naked beaten and pissed on by the guards
When they get free those prisoners are bigger criminals then when they went in.
Hi from Norway. I went to hof prison, there u share bed room with 1. and the rest was like share with rest of all the people inside the prison. and we had to work. from 8-15 or was it 1600. from another country i have allways heard that prison in norway is like a paradice. as loong as u behave u will feel like its just like going to a camp.
You have two choices with prisoners, treat them well or punish them. USA chose the second option and it seems to be self feeding itself
I believe that he was transferred from Brazil to Norway because he is a Norwegian citicen. Interesting video👍👍
Even outside of prisons the USA fails to treat others humanly. It is very sad!
for most prisoners this is good. But than what about the psychopath types? they will never learn anything about how to be a good person.
These inmates live better than college students in dorms in the United States.
To reply to a question you made. Norway does not have any agreement with Brasil when it comes to transfer or serving prison time in norway. But it often happens that Norway request transfer to norway. Both for the norwegian prisoners life and rights. But also to solve crime they have comitted in norway but escaped to other countries.
The biggest flaw in this is that the prisoners seem to have a better quality of life in prison than many people would have outside. You could say 'look they are still confined and not free' but many outside prison are virtually confined by poverty or even by long hours employment to never being able to realize any supposed freedom they have outside. Crime seems to pay.
@@ItsCharlieVest not realy becuse you look at the outside standard from a Americans point of view. From a Norwegians its totaly different. This is not luxus at all.
Thanks for letting this idea of rehabilitation for criminals reaching more people outside of Scandinavia. These statistical numbers don't lie...
Also, I think it's strange that a country, so heavily based upon "Christian beliefs" don't incorporate those Christian teachings of forgiveness and helping less fortunate to make the world a better place. ❤️
America is a really hypocritical country. They say they have a bunch of different values, but the only true value they alle share, is that of the American dollar🤷♀️
Hi Charlie. You actually dont have to look to us in Norway on how to rehabilitate your correctional system. Be adviced that this is a result of very harsh experience on our part on how the system did NOT work. We then took inspiration from your constitution: 'No cruel or unusual punishment...' Don't loose your way. You have this in your constitutional back-bone. Keep up the good work on informing the public, man!
he was transfered from brazil to norway because he is a norwegian
I got a few friends who stayed there. One of them came out a lawyer. Yep. And another a music producer. A guy who tried to kill me, got into that prison. I do not think thats fair. But hey, my opinion. 😊
We transfer all norwegian citizens that want to, to serve the time in Norway. Agreement with most countrys.
To quote George Carlin (R.I.P)
"It's called the American Dream because you have to be asleep to believe it"
Sweet video Charlie! 1+ sub - all the best from Norway
If you break the law in another country, drugs, violence or murder, you can apply to serve your time in your own state.
Ask yourself: What kind of person do you want to move in next doors?
Do you want a guy as your potential future neighbor who was too-severely punished out of a primitive notion of revenge and who then got further damaged by a violent oppressive prison system ...like in the US?
Or do you want a guy moving in across the street who was treated like a human being, who had time to reflect on his mistakes, had a chance to develop more empathy and gain a deeper understanding of general social values, and who was given productive tasks to appreciate him and his future path as a valueable member of society?
Who will be the more pleasant human being once released and who do you think will be less likely to commit further crimes?
Norway, Germany, ... are countries on the right path to happiness, even if you've made a significant mistake in your life.
If you (as a Norwegian) commit a crime in another country, the Norwegian Embassy in that country will work to get you transferred back to Norway, to finish serving your sentence there. Normally this takes some time, maybe years, but eventually most Norwegians gets sent home. We try to rehabilitate people to become good neighbours, and not just ex-convicts. When you have served your time, normally you will get another chance to become a good and responsible citicen. We have a system in each community to help former prisoners back into the neighbourhoods, with help to get a proper job, a decent place to stay and a way back in contact with their family again.
Greetings and God Jul from Halden! (city where the prison is)
I definitely want to emphasize on that these prisons are for those who behave well and are deemed to be treatable,
not every prison are like these, we have one certain that is among the worst prisons in Norway: "Ullersmo Fengsel"
if you behaved well there, you get transferred, if not, you stay there.
I definitely think U.S could take good use of these type of prisons, they are meant to be the last stop before release, it will give prisoners a reason to try to better themselves.
You're wrong. Halden prison is home to some of the worst criminals in Norway. The reason why the older Ullersmo prison is different from the newer Halden prison, is that we have learned from the past. The concepts are the same in both prisons, but Ullersmo being much older, is much less advanced.
@@jeschinstad I am not.
Ullersmo is very different compared to Halden, my brother served there.
There is a transfer program in Ullersmo that moves you to a another prison called Kroksrud 1000-2000 meters away that gives you more liberties and opportunities more specifically with training dogs etc, Ullersmo is not the same as Halden, neither is Kroksrud.
They are both old in the sense they are outdated from the new program, you are sent to your room at 9pm.
If you asked any inmate if they would want to stay in Ullersmo or Halden, they would pick the Halden Fengsel 100%,
Ullersmo has even been a tactic from police to scare drug offenders, not that I don't think it could be good, but it shows the conditions.
www.nrk.no/osloogviken/xl/_-du-havner-enten-her_-eller-sa-dor-du-1.12709458
You wouldn't see them use Halden fengsel for this tactic, I assure you.
The prison system in Norway is much better than most of the world but they are not as proud of their other prisons as they are of Halden or the island prison.
When your in The Netherlands and they pick you up because you take a crime. The Dutch judge put you in jail and after that the can bring you to the US to sit out your punishment because there is a extradition treaty between the US and The Netherlands. But it is also visa versa. When I come in jail of the US, I can ask to go to The Netherlands to go there in jail. It is here like in Norway.
If I would be a US citizen, I would stay in Europe tillI am done....lol....
@@Rob-yj9ew When I was in Europe, I would never go back to the US.
That is only done in very rare cases and NEVER done when the chance is the person can get the death penalty or punished in a way we would never do.
@@Linda-hs1lk I am Dutch and I am sure the Netherlands is gonna get me out of the US and scrap the dead penalty.
With every country in the world where there is a extradition treaty will people choice to sit there punishment into the Netherlands because here it's a hotel.In Europe we don't believe in hard penalties.
@@Yochemm No! Extradition treaties are about exchanging suspects. A person fleeing to another country after having committed a crime.
Example: Someone commits a crime in the Netherlands and flees to the USA, the USA wil send that person back to the Netherlands to stand trial, unless this person is a USA citizen.
If a Dutch person commits a crime in the USA, gets caught and gets convicted to the death penalty, the Dutch government cannot do much. They will try to stop the execution and after thirty years in prison maybe start negotiations for a pardon. Nothing more.
Sounds cute, but, the truth is; some people will never change
You earned a sub and like from Norway ❤
You get transferred to Norwegian prison if you are Norwegian. Kind regards from Norway
We care more about rehabilitation and reform than we do punishment. The treatment of our prisoners is what leads to the low percentage of second time offenders.
not really all prison is like that
@@toll90 No
One thing you have to account for is the prisoner in Norway is not even remotely comparable to a prisoner in the USA. You have a million bat shit crazy ice cold gang members that are armed. We have very few of those here in Norway.
Usa prison strict?
The gangs and mobs operate and train their people inside prisons.
They are strict and ineffective.
@@user-kp1js6cb2s agree. The two things don´t necessarily exclude each other.
In the US it is more a bad peoples village, with a high fence around it.
More crimes are committed inside than outside.
The degree of a societies civilization can be discerned by looking at its prisons. In countries where it is about rehabilitation rather tahn profit and punishment, the main point is losing freedom. You are confined to a certain space, without the ability to interact with or harm others outside of the prison. You're not there to suffer and leave with more issues than when you got in